Quote of the day

posted at 10:00 pm on August 7, 2009 by Allahpundit

“The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”


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Her fifteen minutes of fame are up.

898 comments from a facebook comment. Daylight savings time, set your clock back.

Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Those with children suffering from Down Syndrome could use some help and Palin could use her celebrity for good, but instead she just indulges in so much trash talk. Her fifteen minutes of fame are up.

starfleet_dude on August 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM

If those kids could use some help why don’t you stroke a check instead of using them as some nonsensical attack on Palin. Oh wait … you guys use other people’s money to do that. Sorry! My bad.

Palin’s gonna take flak and she knows it becuase she just hit the target. You might as well take cover.

darwin on August 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM

This is so much bullshit its not even funny. It is not that hard people. When healthcare goes single payer and it will. The gov’t will cut cost is to cut service, they do this with medicare now, so when this becomes unaffordable and it will, a panel (Death Panel) of gov’t employees will decide what will be covered and what will not. The old and disable will be left out in the cold for they will be a burden to the state.

djohn669 on August 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM

My opinion: Palin chose “Death Panel” because she knew it would force the media to talk about it whereas up to this point they’ve been ignoring it. She knows the media can’t resist attacking her so she’s played them like a fiddle.

darwin on August 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Hey Starfleet Dude, you failed the Kobyashi Maru test. Palin passed hers. She gets what Obama is all about. You don’t.

Clearly what the rezident trolls miss is that Obama wants to set up a two-tiered neo-socialist health care system: one for the Looter Class, led by Obama and the Democrats, and one for the rest of us.

Under the Looter Regime, Obama and his fundraisers and allies will have no problems getting health care and on-demand service. No “end of life” counseling from beureaucrats for George Soros. No sir-eee bob! Sure as Bob’s your Uncle, a big-time Obama contributor will get medical care without a problem.

The rest of us? We get rationing and the Death Panel when we get old, all thanks to the Liberals and their neo-socialist agenda.

What has the Obama Administration actually done? Restored class conflict to the American debate. Let’s see if the Republicans are smart enough to get that Democrats stand with the Ruling Class, not the working people.

Democrats: Health Care for the Elite, Rationing for the Working People.

Palin gets this. Let’s see if anyone else does.

victor82 on August 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Palin gets this. Let’s see if anyone else does.

victor82 on August 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Palinsky trumps Alinsky!

darwin on August 8, 2009 at 2:48 PM

If Palin’s statement is hyper-anaylyzed, and if the media convinces enough people that it was untrue and ill-informed, then I think it will have precisely the effect I stated.

Yes I think it could cause a 10 point swing the wrong way.

I wish she had left this thing to the Tea Parties. A general attack on the whole bill had a better chance of killing it.

Now we are focusing on what I believe is a weak argument.

connertown on August 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Ummmm…how is the media going to convince people that Palin’s statement is “untrue and ill-informed”? Simply by saying so?

I’ll bet you that 10-point swing goes AGAINST the bill. Let’s see by this time next week, shall we?

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Now we are focusing on what I believe is a weak argument.

connertown on August 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM

No, it gets to the crux of opposition to state-run health care. Nibbling on the edges is for losers.

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Good news everyone!
We can protect ourselves from the death panels by wearing these hats made of foil!

Take that, Barack!

e-pirate on August 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Wow. All this from one Facebook post…

GO PALIN!!!

xax on August 8, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Palin hit another bullseye, judging by the pathetic yelps from trolls, lefties and RINOs. Just like she had the most effective hit on Cap & Tax (which is bascially dead now) she will kill ObamaCare.

By the way, Palin’s comment made it to every foreign newspaper in the world. I was reading Norwegian papers this morning online, and every newspaper had her comment on the front page. Norway’s largest newspaper, Aftenposten, described her attack on Obama as the most effective yet by any Republican and that she is the frontrunner for 2012. I agree.

Norwegian on August 8, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Good news everyone!
We can protect ourselves from the death panels by wearing these hats made of foil!

Take that, Barack!

e-pirate on August 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM

No, all that needs to be done is defeat the shitty bill.

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Good to know, Norwegian. Thanks.

rrpjr on August 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Good to know, Norwegian. Thanks.

rrpjr on August 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Ditto!

Say, isn’t that what communist bloc countries had to do to get the true version of events? Read foreign papers and listen to foreign radio?

darwin on August 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Norway’s largest newspaper, Aftenposten, described her attack on Obama as the most effective yet by any Republican and that she is the frontrunner for 2012. I agree.

Norwegian on August 8, 2009 at 3:07 PM

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And well reported by you here on HA!
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RalphyBoy on August 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Say, isn’t that what communist bloc countries had to do to get the true version of events? Read foreign papers and listen to foreign radio?

darwin on August 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Or it means that you have to go all the way to Norway to find a newspaper unwilling to describe Sarah Palin as a paranoid crazy person spouting wacky conspiracy theories.

Maybe they assume she has some kind of mental condition and don’t want to make fun?

e-pirate on August 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Sure as Bob’s your Uncle, a big-time Obama contributor will get medical care without a problem.
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The rest of us? We get rationing and the Death Panel when we get old, all thanks to the Liberals and their neo-socialist agenda.

victor82 on August 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM

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Access to all banking info could will lead to Dem backers getting care easier than Repub donors. Pay to Play Stay Alive.
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Buy some tickets to the Policeman’s Ball and things will improve for you around here.
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RalphyBoy on August 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Or it means that you have to go all the way to Norway to find a newspaper unwilling to describe Sarah Palin as a paranoid crazy person spouting wacky conspiracy theories.

Maybe they assume she has some kind of mental condition and don’t want to make fun?

e-pirate on August 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Well, you do have to read the foreign press to get a feeling of how Obama is viewed as an incompetent boob as well.

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Maybe they assume she has some kind of mental condition and don’t want to make fun?

e-pirate on August 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Norwegians have seen eight years of protests against Bush. They know what real lunacy and being mentally challenged looks like.

darwin on August 8, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Most people don’t realize that most of Europe now have governments to the right of Obama. One exception is the UK, but that will change in the upcoming election where Obama-clone Gordon Brown will likely be slaughtered at the ballot box.

While most of Europe is moving in Sarah Palin’s direction, the American Left is drifting to Hugo Chavez territory.

Norwegian on August 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Current results of poll at news.aol.com

Do you agree with Palin’s characterization of Obama’s health plan as “evil”?

Yes 59%
No 41%

158,531 votes cast

In general, what’s your impression of Palin?

Mostly positive 50%
Mostly negative 42%
Neutral 8%

152,041 votes cast

technopeasant on August 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM

starfleet_dude -

Your 15 minutes of fame will never happen; don’t be disappointed.

bw222 on August 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Maybe they assume she has some kind of mental condition and don’t want to make fun?

e-pirate

Like we do with you?

bw222 on August 8, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Ummmm…how is the media going to convince people that Palin’s statement is “untrue and ill-informed”? Simply by saying so?

Uh, no, by accurately reporting what’s in the bill.

Tom_Shipley on August 8, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Accurately reporting hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
what bs

djohn669 on August 8, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Ummmm…how is the media going to convince people that Palin’s statement is “untrue and ill-informed”? Simply by saying so?

Uh, no, by accurately reporting what’s in the bill.

Tom_Shipley on August 8, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Believe me, we would be delighted if that were to happen. The bill is like a sack of garbage: the more it’s left out in the open, the more it stinks.

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 5:00 PM

e-pirate on August 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Give it up, little person.

NebCon on August 8, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Uh, no, by accurately reporting what’s in the bill.

Tom_Shipley on August 8, 2009 at 4:48 PM

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Uh.. no, because most won’t. They are too busy being lapdogs and leg humpers to Obama to ever even see his faults. Love does weird things to one’s perception… Look it up.
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RalphyBoy on August 8, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Breaking News!!!!!

Country Revolts!

Media accurately reports what’s in Obama’s health Care bill !!

darwin on August 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM

new post up on Palin’s facebook page…. outlining lots of articles backing up her “death panel” comments as well as the arguments against Obamacare.

BPD on August 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Ummmm…how is the media going to convince people that Palin’s statement is “untrue and ill-informed”? Simply by saying so?

Uh, no, by accurately reporting what’s in the bill.

Tom_Shipley on August 8, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Our President has made stuttering cool. “Ummm” now makes you sound like an intelligent person who weighs their words before speaking… and proceeds to say something completely asinine. Btw, Shipley is lying, but no surprise.

alliebobbitt on August 8, 2009 at 7:31 PM

I love this woman, and I’m a woman- that scares me a bit . . .

theenforser on August 8, 2009 at 6:40 PM

It might scare you, but I find that extraordinarily hot.

OlympicLeprechaun on August 8, 2009 at 7:32 PM

This woman is like Tom Brady in never leaving every stone unturned and is dedicated to be the best person she can be.

We know what Sarah has been doing in the last 2 weeks.

Wow!

technopeasant on August 8, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Someone linked this on the first page of comments…

All 1,118 pages of the HC monstrosity.

alliebobbitt on August 8, 2009 at 7:34 PM

For those who asked where Gopv. Palin got her understanding on the “Death Panel Statement” below are her sources.

As Americans spend the next few weeks discussing health care reform, I thought it might be helpful to share some articles (and one panel discussion video) that I’ve found especially insightful.

Washington Post editorial, July 26, 2009
“The Health-Care Sacrifice: What President Obama needs to tell the public about the cost of reform”

But Mr. Obama’s soothing bedside manner masks the reality that getting health costs under control will require making difficult choices about what procedures and medications to cover. It will require saying no, or having the patient pay more, at times when the extra expense is not justified by the marginal improvement in care.

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Betsey McCaughey, Wall Street Journal, July 30, 2009
“GovernmentCare’s Assault on Seniors”

But legislation now being rushed through Congress—H.R. 3200 and the Senate Health Committee Bill—will reduce access to care, pressure the elderly to end their lives prematurely, and doom baby boomers to painful later years.

The Congressional majority wants to pay for its $1 trillion to $1.6 trillion health bills with new taxes and a $500 billion cut to Medicare. This cut will come just as baby boomers turn 65 and increase Medicare enrollment by 30%. Less money and more patients will necessitate rationing. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that only 1% of Medicare cuts will come from eliminating fraud, waste and abuse.

[See also Dr. McCaughey’s rebuttal of PolitiFact’s Truth-O-Meter re: “End of Life Counseling” here.]

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Senator Sam Brownback, National Review, August 3, 2009
“Don’t Punish Seniors for Health-Care Reform: Denying care options to retirees is necessarily a part of the Democrats plan”

One particular provision in the Democratic bill has seniors worried, and rightly so. A new “Center for Health Outcomes Research and Evaluation” could ration access to medicines and treatments based on the government’s assessment of the value of a human life and the “cost-effectiveness” of treatment.

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Raymond Arroyo, EWTN, July 25, 2009
“What You Need To Know About the Health Care Reform Bills”

Here’s to your health, unless you are too old, too young, too disabled or any combination of the above. The health care reform bills wending their way through Congress should be focused on the well being of each citizen. Instead, it seems the bills, designed to contain costs while simultaneously extending health coverage to everyone, target certain vulnerable groups including the elderly, the pre-born, and the disabled. It all comes down to cost. How to pay for this colossus remains a question on the Hill. But the consensus seems to be: raise taxes and ration care. Both ideas have been woven into the current health care bills.

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Betsey McCaughey, New York Post, July 24, 2009
“Deadly Doctors”

[Obama health policy advisor Dr. Ezekiel] Emanuel, however, believes that “communitarianism” should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens… An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia” (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. ’96).

Translation: Don’t give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson’s or a child with cerebral palsy.

He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: “Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years” (Lancet, Jan. 31).

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Thomas Sowell, Real Clear Politics, August 4, 2009
“Utopia Versus Freedom”

If we can be so easily stampeded by rhetoric that neither the public nor the Congress can be bothered to read, much less analyze, bills making massive changes in medical care, then do not be surprised when life and death decisions about you or your family are taken out of your hands– and out of the hands of your doctor– and transferred to bureaucrats in Washington.

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David S. Broder, Washington Post, July 26, 2009
“Our New Medical Judges?”

If President Obama has his way, another such unelected authority will be created — a manager and monitor for the vast and expensive American health-care system. As part of his health-reform effort, he is seeking to launch the Independent Medicare Advisory Council, or IMAC, a bland title for a body that could become as much an arbiter of medicine as the Fed is of the economy or the Supreme Court of the law.

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The Heritage Foundation, July 30, 2009
“Obamacare: One Pill, Two Pill, Red Pill, Blue Pill; Top 10 Reasons Obamacare Is Wrong for America”

7. Who Makes Medical Decisions? What is the right medical treatment and should bureaucrats determine what Americans can or cannot have? While the House and Senate language is vague, amendments offered in House and Senate committees to block government rationing of care were routinely defeated. Cost or a federal health board could be the deciding factors. President Obama himself admitted this when he said, “Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller,” when asked about an elderly woman who needed a pacemaker.

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National Review editorial, July 30, 2009
“Incurable”

The public option is certainly a weakness of the current House Democrats’ bill, one that could destroy the private-insurance market over time. But the rest of the bill takes the same federal-government-knows-best approach. It uses mandates on employers and individuals to force tens of millions of Americans to buy the level of insurance coverage the federal government demands. For those who cannot afford this level, it offers subsidies in the form of a new entitlement. And it increases the federal role in telling doctors and hospitals what constitutes appropriate medical practice.

The mandates — effectively, they are taxes — will reduce wages, limit new hires, and increase prices. The subsidies, enormously expensive from the outset, can be expected to grow with time to cover a larger and larger share of the population, just as Medicaid has done, and for the same political reasons. And having the government dictate medical practice worsens care and will inevitably lead to rationing.

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Thomas L. DiLorenzo, Mises Daily, July 28, 2009
“Socialized Healthcare vs. The Laws of Economics”

Price controls, or laws that force prices down below market-clearing levels (where supply and demand are coordinated), artificially stimulate the amount demanded by consumers while reducing supply by making it unprofitable to supply as much as previously. The result of increased demand and reduced supply is shortages. Non-price rationing becomes necessary. This means that government bureaucrats, not individuals and their doctors, inevitably determine who will get medical treatment and who will not, what kind of medical technology will be available, how many doctors there will be, and so forth.

All countries that have adopted socialized healthcare have suffered from the disease of price-control-induced shortages. If a Canadian, for instance, suffers third-degree burns in an automobile crash and is in need of reconstructive plastic surgery, the average waiting time for treatment is more than 19 weeks, or nearly five months. The waiting time for orthopaedic surgery is also almost five months; for neurosurgery it’s three full months; and it is even more than a month for heart surgery (see The Fraser Institute publication, Waiting Your Turn: Hospital Waiting Lists in Canada). Think about that one: if your doctor discovers that your arteries are clogged, you must wait in line for more than a month, with death by heart attack an imminent possibility. That’s why so many Canadians travel to the United States for healthcare.

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Thomas Sowell, Real Clear Politics, August 5, 2009
“Care Versus Control”

If this new medical scheme is so wonderful, why can’t it stand the light of day or a little time to think about it?

The obvious answer is that the administration doesn’t want us to know what it is all about or else we would not go along with it. Far better to say that we can’t wait, that things are just too urgent. This tactic worked with whizzing the “stimulus” package through Congress, even though the stimulus package itself has not worked.

Any serious discussion of government-run medical care would have to look at other countries where there is government-run medical care. As someone who has done some research on this for my book, “Applied Economics,” I can tell you that the actual consequences of government-controlled medical care are not a pretty picture, however inspiring the rhetoric that accompanies it.

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The Cato Institute Policy Forum
“What Government-Run Health Care Really Means”

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Michael D. Tanner, Cato Institute, August 2009
“Not Enough Health Care to Go Around”

The reality, however, is that every government-run healthcare system around the world rations care.

In Great Britain, the National Institute on Clinical Effectiveness makes such decisions, including a controversial determination that certain cancer drugs are “too expensive.” The government effectively puts a price tag on each citizen’s life…

Free-market healthcare reformers, on the other hand, want to shift more of the decisions (and therefore the financial responsibility) back to the individual.

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Arthur B. Laffer, Wall Street Journal, August 5, 2009
“How to Fix the Health-Care ‘Wedge’: There is an alternative to ObamaCare”

Rather than expanding the role of government in the health-care market, Congress should implement a patient-centered approach to health-care reform. A patient-centered approach focuses on the patient-doctor relationship and empowers the patient and the doctor to make effective and economical choices.

A patient-centered health-care reform begins with individual ownership of insurance policies and leverages Health Savings Accounts, a low-premium, high-deductible alternative to traditional insurance that includes a tax-advantaged savings account. It allows people to purchase insurance policies across state lines and reduces the number of mandated benefits insurers are required to cover. It reallocates the majority of Medicaid spending into a simple voucher for low-income individuals to purchase their own insurance. And it reduces the cost of medical procedures by reforming tort liability laws.

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Deroy Murdock, National Review, July 20, 2009
“Health-Care Reform: Why Not Try Ownership?”

Health-care reform should give Americans the option of using money tax-free to purchase whatever kinds of health insurance make them happy. If employers offer such plans, lovely. If not, individuals should be encouraged, through tax-free Health Savings Accounts, to buy their own policies and maintain them throughout their careers. This dramatically would reduce the tragedy of “job lock,” whereby employees put up with bosses and duties they cannot stand, merely to keep employer-furnished health coverage.

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Mark Steyn, Orange County Register, July 31, 2009
“No turning back from Obamacare”

How did the health-care debate decay to the point where we think it entirely natural for the central government to fix a collective figure for what 300 million freeborn citizens ought to be spending on something as basic to individual liberty as their own bodies?

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There is a lot of wisdom in the above articles, but I’m most impressed by the common sense of ordinary Americans, like the citizen from Pennsylvania who told Senator Spector:

“What I see is a bureaucratic nightmare, Senator. Medicaid is broke. Medicare is broke. Social Security is broke. And you want us to believe that a government that can’t even run a Cash for Clunkers program is going to run 1/7th of our U.S. economy?”

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

- Sarah Palin

http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin#/sarahpalin?v=app_2347471856&viewas=0

Clyde5445 on August 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM

OlympicLeprechaun on August 8, 2009 at 7:32 PM

I hear ya bro.

Geochelone on August 8, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Sorry folks,

I was surprised when “Norwegian” said that “Aftenpften” had a favorable article on Palin.

Well it doesn’t. I just had my grandfather who still speaks Norwegian read the article to me over the phone and alas it is not what weve been led to believe. It is merely an informative peice. It regurgitates what Palin said, reminds every one that America is the ONLY developed country with out comprhensice healthcare, and then says that the equivilant of “Many Believe she is the front runner for 2012″. Of course that is true, many do believe this but many believe she is a crackpot. Many can mean anything. It ceratinly isn’t an kind of endorsement from the paper that she is the front runner etc.

In short the Norwegians remain the “comprehensive healthcare” loving country they always have been and their newspapers reflect this.

DustyGreen on August 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Exactly Dusty Green:

I know Norwegians and they know a crackpot when the see one. Maybe somebody here should ask them how they like their comprehensive healthcare?

Blueneck on August 8, 2009 at 8:42 PM

What rubbish from Palin. Those with children suffering from Down Syndrome could use some help and Palin could use her celebrity for good, but instead she just indulges in so much trash talk. Her fifteen minutes of fame are up.

starfleet_dude on August 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Really, she is making herself as irrelevant as/and painting herself as much as a loon as Alan Keyes at this point.

It’s kind of hilarious though.

Next she’ll be teaming up with Randall Terry and pushing doll strollers covered in blood….

AprilOrit on August 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Clyde5445 on August 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Betsy McCaughey’s article has been disproven – for the record – she is a serial misinformer.

Up here in NYC – we are well aware of her chicanery.

AprilOrit on August 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM

AprilOrit on August 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM

If as I suspect, you were a Dinkins supporter, your opinion is worth less than nothing.

OlympicLeprechaun on August 8, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Palin actually posted excerpts from several articles on her Facebook page, from WSJ, NRO, NYP, WAPO, and other publications, some of which quoted Obama and his health adivsors, including Emmanuel Rahm, and a Youtube video of Rep. Michele Bachmann’s speech on the floor of the House of Represenatives, all of which absolutely substantiate and support Palin’s statement on Obamacare. I’m tired of people saying she’s stupid or crazy, or whatever. She’s right.

mbs on August 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM

…and pushing doll strollers covered in blood….

AprilOrit on August 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

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Not a bad idea… I’d put a sign on that stroller though to avoid confusion.
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“Obama’s daughter’s aborted punishment.”
This abortion paid for with your tax dollars.

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RalphyBoy on August 8, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Uh oh, Palin’s making good arguments…time to pull out the seldom-heard-from second string trolls. I never knew troll fear and desperation could be sooo entertaining.

/gets the BIG popcorn bowl ready.

unwashed minion on August 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Really, she is making herself as irrelevant as/and painting herself as much as a loon as Alan Keyes at this point.

AprilOrit on August 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

She’s getting an awful lot of attention for someone we’ve been told since last August 29 is totally irrelevant.

Betsy McCaughey’s article has been disproven – for the record – she is a serial misinformer.

AprilOrit on August 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Do you have a link? Was the article disproven by some hack NYDN writer? Was it disproven by someone who’s actually read the bill? Or was it “disproven” by someone who thinks that Dear Leader’s plan must triumph, regardless?

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM

I was surprised when “Norwegian” said that “Aftenpften” had a favorable article on Palin.

Well it doesn’t. I just had my grandfather who still speaks Norwegian read the article to me over the phone and alas it is not what weve been led to believe. It is merely an informative peice.

DustyGreen on August 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM

OK, someone who knows Norwegian is going to have to translate the article and put the controversy to rest.

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 11:31 PM

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM

It’s very interesting how during the whole Terry Schiavo debaucle everyone was pushing living wills, including Bill O’Reilly, Greta, Meaghan Kelley and most of the crew at Fox News.

Funny how the partisan whoremongers can’t handle it.

Page 425 of H.R. 3200 defines the term “advance care planning consultation”, which McCaughey has lied and said means euthanasia, when it means nothing of the sort.

What it actually means:

Medicare will pay for consultation with an expert on such subjects as the uses of having a living will and durable powers of attorney, the roles and responsibilities of a health care proxy, national and state resources which assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, and of course planning for end-of-life services and supports such as palliative care and hospice.

Give me a break the woman is a sensational liar – straight up – and then some.

The American people deserve the truth and – for liars like her – to get the hell out of the debate.

Since when did you wingnuts embrace liars on The Right?

Whoops, I forgot that’s one of your character defects these days…with a little mention of Hitler thrown in for good measure.

AprilOrit on August 8, 2009 at 11:59 PM

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM

You are a hopeless misguided assassin – killing the GOP with every comment you make.

AprilOrit on August 9, 2009 at 12:00 AM

AprilOrit on August 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Am why should I believe a troll.

Clyde5445 on August 9, 2009 at 12:32 AM

Medicare will pay for consultation with an expert on such subjects as the uses of having a living will and durable powers of attorney,</blockquote>
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Already free for seniors here in Camden County NJ.
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This should not be part of Health Insurance Reform (or what ever it’s being called now). The setup is for coercive influence. The government is going broke at a record pace.
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The logical extension is that a time will come… in the not too distant future, when a government controlled heath care provider will begin mandating cuts and rationing due to funding shortfalls. It is inevitable.
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Government bureaucracy is not friendly or caring. And when you are told no by the government heath ministry, it will mean NO! What second opinion? The “death panel” is coming if this bill passes. And you know it, you just want you messiah in charge of everything. But ask yourself this…
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“How would will I feel about government control of my health car when a Repub wins the WH?” And tweaks the system…
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RalphyBoy on August 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM

Please go over to Politico and vote for Sarah Palin in the question at the bottom right hand corner of the web site:

Who do you think is the most likely Republican presidential contender for 2012?

http://www.politico.com/

technopeasant on August 9, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Calm down, it’s just the train to Oświęcim. ALL ABOARD!

Pole-Cat on August 9, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Remember, it’s all just abstract, unless of course it’s you on the examining table.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel – Irony anyone?

Pole-Cat on August 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Please go over to Politico and vote for Sarah Palin in the question at the bottom right hand corner of the web site:

Who do you think is the most likely Republican presidential contender for 2012?

http://www.politico.com/

technopeasant on August 9, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Meh. Romney will come out on top.

ddrintn on August 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM

You are a hopeless misguided assassin – killing the GOP with every comment you make.

AprilOrit on August 9, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Yeah. If only they’d follow AprilOrit’s DemLite strategy…

ddrintn on August 9, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Page 425 of H.R. 3200 defines the term “advance care planning consultation”, which McCaughey has lied and said means euthanasia, when it means nothing of the sort

Pg.426
(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
fits for such services and supports that are available
under this title.

pg. 427
(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
treatment for a States described in this clause is a
program that—

(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake
holders
includes representatives from emergency
medical services, emergency department physi
cians or nurses, state long-term care associa
tion, state medical association, state surveyors,
agency responsible for senior services, state de
partment of health, state hospital association,
home health association, state bar association,
and state hospice association.

liontooth on August 10, 2009 at 4:23 AM

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