Daniel Hannan on ObamaCare: Are you people insane?

posted at 9:22 pm on August 7, 2009 by Allahpundit

A desperate intervention from a man who’s already seen this car crash up close, wondering why any free people would tolerate it short of a major war forcing them to. The words of one of the world’s most eloquent conservatives need no elaboration from me, but as companion reading to Beck’s point about how lame the arguments are for this boondoggle, try Ramesh Ponnuru’s piece on the paradoxes of ObamaCare in Time. Quote:

There are two basic points about health-care reform that President Obama wants to convey. The first is that, as he put it in an ABC special in June, “the status quo is untenable.” Our health-care system is rife with “skewed incentives.” It gives us “a whole bunch of care” that “may not be making us healthier.” It generates too many specialists and not enough primary-care physicians. It is “bankrupting families,” “bankrupting businesses” and “bankrupting our government at the state and federal level. So we know things are going to have to change.”

Obama’s second major point is that–to quote from the same broadcast–”if you are happy with your plan and you are happy with your doctor, then we don’t want you to have to change … So what we’re saying is, If you are happy with your plan and your doctor, you stick with it.”

So the system is an unsustainable disaster, but you can keep your piece of it if you want. And the Democrats wonder why selling health-care reform to the public has been so hard?

Exit question: How do we get Hannan to run for office here? Seriously.


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Jeff from WI on August 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM

The Lions have fans??

redwhiteblue on August 7, 2009 at 11:55 PM

LOL..Good point!

Jeff from WI on August 7, 2009 at 11:56 PM

But back on topic, yeah, Hannan is great. He knows what he’s talking about from a real conservative perspective unlike most Republicans in the U.S. except for a couple of them.

The Dean on August 7, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Jeff from WI on August 7, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Catchy tune. Thanks, eh.

redwhiteblue on August 7, 2009 at 11:59 PM

The Dean on August 7, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Sorry for going off task. Homesick. Hannan knows his stuff, articulates it well, and the irony of an Englishman trying to save us from ourselves is not lost on me.

redwhiteblue on August 8, 2009 at 12:02 AM

Jeff from WI on August 7, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Catchy tune. Thanks, eh.

redwhiteblue on August 7, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Here’s one from Government Motors by the Da Yoopers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50IgzksUqpQ&feature=related

Jeff from WI on August 8, 2009 at 12:02 AM

The Dean on August 7, 2009 at 11:56 PM

There are a lot of countries that would go belly up financially if they had to factor defense into their budgets instead of letting the U.S. cover them. And Congress could cut a lot of stuff out before dismantling the one thing they are constitutionally required to do.

Cindy Munford on August 8, 2009 at 12:05 AM

redwhiteblue on August 8, 2009 at 12:02 AM

Don’t apologize. The only thread monitors are Ed and Allah.

Cindy Munford on August 8, 2009 at 12:07 AM

redwhiteblue on August 8, 2009 at 12:02 AM

Yeah, Hannan sounds great here…but be careful who you agree with…Dean is the biggest paulbot on HA. Ask him about Iraq and get an earful.

AUINSC on August 8, 2009 at 12:07 AM

The day they come back from recess, we need to shut down the phonelines like we did with the amnesty bill.

WisCon on August 8, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Cindy Munford on August 8, 2009 at 12:07 AM
AUINSC on August 8, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Thanks.

redwhiteblue on August 8, 2009 at 12:13 AM

A *true* conservative Brit politician???

Whoa!

At this point, I think I’d personally bribe him to relocate to the US…

Wanderlust on August 8, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Dean is the biggest paulbot on HA. Ask him about Iraq and get an earful.

Ha. Ask him about Israel and how ANY state has the right to exist. By any standard, Israel fits one, but that doesn’t fit Dean.

Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Oh, and WI Jeff…thank you! Good times. Good night now.

redwhiteblue on August 8, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Oh, and WI Jeff…thank you! Good times. Good night now.

redwhiteblue on August 8, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Nite red

Jeff from WI on August 8, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2009 at 12:14 AM

And, POOF!!, he is gone.

Cindy Munford on August 8, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Yeah, Hannan sounds great here…but be careful who you agree with…Dean is the biggest paulbot on HA. Ask him about Iraq and get an earful.

AUINSC on August 8, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Mention Israel and he usually zips his lip, since his anti-semitism flows forth otherwise.

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 12:26 AM

How did he get elected?

TinMan13 on August 8, 2009 at 12:27 AM

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Oh yeah…I’ve heard it.

AUINSC on August 8, 2009 at 12:28 AM

How did he get elected?

He’s a Eurosceptic and they tend to sweep the boards.

aengus on August 8, 2009 at 12:32 AM

wondering why any free people would tolerate it short of a major war forcing them to.

Exactly why I am willing, able, and ready to face that war to protect the freedom of my family…if we survive. If my life provides the break in American consciousness to realize what freedom is and what is costs, so be it.

I will not live under this son of a b1tches tyrannical fascist rule. But I do guarantee, I won’t be alone facing the abyss.

Freedom will prevail, I promise. We may not all live to see it, but it will prevail.

Spiritk9 on August 8, 2009 at 12:36 AM

Exit question: How do we get Hannan to run for office here? Seriously.

Easy! You get him a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth!

Sorry, I just ahd too. :-P Hope no one beat me to it.

El Guapo on August 8, 2009 at 1:08 AM

How do we get Hannan to run for office?

I suppose he finds a good job over here (and I bet he can!)and obtains a green card. He lives here, what, five years? And becomes a US citzen. Now from the start I think we have to look at local requirements for being in a given state legislature, and get him elected at local level. Requisite years are passing and Hannan finds he can now go national.
And there you have it. The man is young enough to put in the years and still be at the top of his game, I would think. Sorry for lack of details here and no google action on my part.
Right! Here we have someone from abroad, a virtual Alex de Tocqueville, who sees things very clearly BECAUSE he is from abroad. Hannan has insight into our own country that many of us sorely lack. Too many of us! We NEED people like Hannan over here. With the right incentives, perhaps we could get him to come over. But I suppose a man of his loyalty will stay and fight it out in his own country. And such a fight he has in Orwellian Britain.
Hannan has warned us. He is disinterested. He has character.
We had better listen.
Now I guess I will go over to politico or something and see if I can get a word in between the foul comments that rule over there . . . .Wish me luck! Yikes!

Sherman1864 on August 8, 2009 at 1:38 AM

Third largest employer in the world is a government program ? Holy sh!t we can’t let this thing pass.

BadgerHawk on August 8, 2009 at 1:38 AM

Mention Israel and he usually zips his lip, since his anti-semitism flows forth otherwise.

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Antisemitism and being against aid to Israel (along with all foreign aid) aren’t the same thing. But I repeat myself again and again…

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 2:17 AM

Antisemitism and being against aid to Israel (along with all foreign aid) aren’t the same thing. But I repeat myself again and again…

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 2:17 AM

You’re a liar. You’ve made many, many strong anti-Israel statements that had nothing to do with aid. You also admitted to beating your children. You’re a child beating bigot.

hawkdriver on August 8, 2009 at 2:29 AM

Aaaaand of course this runs on Fox, and on Glenn Beck for that matter, sooooo the people who need to see and hear this man the most will never even know he was here.

Sad.

SilverStar830 on August 8, 2009 at 2:35 AM

Antisemitism and being against aid to Israel (along with all foreign aid) aren’t the same thing. But I repeat myself again and again…

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 2:17 AM

Absolutely right. However, your issues with Israel go far past the aid we give them…

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 2:36 AM

Absolutely right. However, your issues with Israel go far past the aid we give them…

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 2:36 AM

Why don’t you just grow a pair and tell us what you really mean?

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 2:41 AM

Why don’t you just grow a pair and tell us what you really mean?

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 2:41 AM

I already said he’s antisemitic. Do you need a map? By the way, you forgot to cross out the “conservative” in my name, like the good little troll you are.

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 2:48 AM

Why don’t you make an argument for once, instead of just an accusation? You accused the man of being an antisemite. Why?

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 2:51 AM

milhouse van houtenConservative on August 8, 2009 at 2:48 AM

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 2:54 AM

Why don’t you make an argument for once, instead of just an accusation? You accused the man of being an antisemite. Why?

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 2:51 AM

Let me give you a lesson in Google. Putting quotes around an exact username and the word on, like “The Dean on” will search for that exact phrase. If you want to search a specific website, the code “site:xxxxxx.com” will do just that, just as “site:hotair.com”.

Now guess what happens when you mix those two things with the word “jews”. With a minor amount of browsing, you happen upon this:

Hate is a strong word. I don’t personally hate Jews, I just detest their behavior, especially the hardline neoconservative factions in Israel and the U.S.A. that have completely taken over our foreign policy and military policy. And of course I’m a Christian. Who said otherwise?

The Dean on March 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM

He’s also fond of blaming the US for World War II.

England may have started WWII, but Woodrow Wilson’s liberal intervention in WWI set the seed for the rise of Hitler and the second WW. If any one country is to blame, it’s the US. Hitler was inevitable because of what we did in the 1910s.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Now why don’t you grow a pair and do a little research yourself if you’re hanging on my every word?

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:00 AM

That’s all I was looking for. You shoulda started with that. Touche’.

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 3:03 AM

Another one of his greatest hits:

Speaking of Israel news, the war-mongering Jew Republic is going broke.

Mmmmmm, the schadenfreude tastes like heaven.

The Dean on March 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I’m sure his gloating at the economic hardship of a “Jew Republic” is solely based on their aid that they receive.

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:05 AM

Ok ok! I owe ya lunch, next time I’m in Madison.

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 3:08 AM

I’m sure his gloating at the economic hardship of a “Jew Republic” is solely based on their aid that they receive.

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:05 AM

I was wrong. The Israel-funded newspapers like them and the Weekly Standard will never die. Too much financial backing. The money goes out of the United States taxpayer pockets and around and around, right into the Jew Republic and National Review plus whatever bombs that country are going to drop on innocent civilians next.

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 3:19 AM

This thread isn’t even about me and my views on the Jews. It should be about the disaster of Obamacare. Instead it’s turned into one big character assassination parade by the usual suspects.

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 3:25 AM

The Israel-funded newspapers like them and the Weekly Standard will never die.

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 3:19 AM

You were referencing the New York Times. With apologies to Andy Levy, you can read more about it in my pamphlet “The Joos: They somehow run the most failing newspaper on the planet“.

BTW, The Dean, be honest. Do you own more than one copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:31 AM

You were referencing the New York Times. With apologies to Andy Levy, you can read more about it in my pamphlet “The Joos: They somehow run the most failing newspaper on the planet“.

BTW, The Dean, be honest. Do you own more than one copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:31 AM

The whole ploy that the New York Times is in “financial trouble” is just to get people to feel sorry for them and buy more copies. They’ll get a government bailout from Obama and Lieberman soon enough, same with the Weekly Standard (because Kristollian war ‘n spend “conservatism” clearly hurts the Republican party).

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 3:42 AM

Why is it that we get drowned out by the WHO and other retarded international organizations?

Yes, this man presents his case elegantly, but we get carpet-bombed by some ridiculous international organizations.

Where is Heritage? Where is the common sense that this fellow oozes’s?

Vanbasten on August 8, 2009 at 3:45 AM

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 3:42 AM

Admit it: he gotcha. Repent and believe the gospel.

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 3:45 AM

Admit it: he gotcha. Repent and believe the gospel.

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 3:45 AM

He didn’t find any antisemitism. I never said that I had anything against Jews, I just didn’t like their behavior in a lot of cases like for example with the hardline neoconservative stuff.

That isn’t bigotry, I just don’t like what they do a lot of times. That’s different than hating Jews personally.

I have a lot of Jewish friends, even one that agrees with me on the Israel question believe it or not.

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 3:52 AM

The whole ploy that the New York Times is in “financial trouble” is just to get people to feel sorry for them and buy more copies.

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 3:42 AM

Huh. It isn’t working.

Those Joos don’t seem to be as wily as you insinuate.

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:52 AM

I have a lot of Jewish friends

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 3:52 AM

*snort*

He said it.

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:53 AM

Huh. It isn’t working.

Those Joos don’t seem to be as wily as you insinuate.

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:52 AM

It doesn’t matter, either they make a profit or they will be getting a lot of Obama Welfare in the next few months.

*snort*

He said it.

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:53 AM

It’s true. My resentments are mostly against the hardcore Kristol neocon group. Jewish people are great if they drop their most popular stance on Israel IMO.

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 4:02 AM

The Dean on August 8, 2009 at 4:02 AM

Admit he gotcha and go to bed. G’nite.

Akzed on August 8, 2009 at 4:14 AM

Let’s assume that a universal health care option would benefit us. How could this be done without growing the government or ruining our coverage?

What are your opinions on something like, say, the Government pays for a minimum plan.. through EXISTING insurance companies. From there, if we require or want additional coverage we can opt-in to pay the difference for additional coverage.

This essentially is the system we already have.. with basic health care given to everyone that pays taxes. We still have the freedom to choose an insurance company near us, our own coverage levels. It frees up local businesses from the burden of having to pay for health insurance packages for their employees which would mean they have more money to invest.

It seems logical that this would be the only way to even attempt to make a Nationalized Healthcare system work.. through the free market.

Thoughts?

Jayren on August 8, 2009 at 5:07 AM

MadisonConservative on August 8, 2009 at 3:00 AM

sounds more like a Buchananite to me, but Paulbot might fit too

funky chicken on August 8, 2009 at 7:26 AM

The first page of comments proves his point in a blog post of his linked:

There’s no point in repeating that my support for the man was faute-de-mieux, that I strongly supported GOP Congressional candidates and that, far from believing Obama was the messiah, I kept citing the millenarianism of his supporters as one of the main arguments against him. This is a blog, after all, and blogs allow no shades of gray. Once I had declared for him, qualified as my declaration was, I became an “Obamaniac” – which attitude, by the way, neatly demonstrates the with-us-or-against-us bellicosity that has put so many Republicans off their party.

Nuance people, nuance! How do you possibly expect to get anywhere if you can’t agree with something someone says even though you do really, just because they hold other views you disagree with? That’s the same blinkered attitude as the Obamatons!

VeniVidiVidic on August 8, 2009 at 8:00 AM

It isn’t insanity it is Bureaucrats. Mr Hannan this is what happens when you elect a bunch of paper pushers, they want to make more paper to push….bureaucrats don’t “Produce” they do “Consume” tax dollars. Wouldn’t this new Health Care Bill allow them to “Consume” even more Tax Dollars? Not to mention the built in fraud incentives. I keep hearing on the Liberal News Channels that “This is Complicated” NO IT ISN’T this is a Power Grab. And someone tell Mr Obama that SILENT doesn’t equal TAME.

Dr Evil on August 8, 2009 at 8:02 AM

First, I was I as articulate as Daniel Hannan. Enough said.

Second, I spent a lot of time trying to understand what happened to Massachusetts and the Northeast in General. This area was once the engine of America. In short, I came to the same conclusion that Daniel Hannan reached in this video. That is, since the 60s, business after business, industry after industry were driven out by Leftist politicians from places like MA while Government grew and grew. The people became more and more dependent on the Government and these same Politicians, along with their Union allies, for their jobs. That my friends, is how an Engine is turned into a Caboose.

TheBigOldDog on August 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Dr Evil on August 8, 2009 at 8:02 AM

It’s far more nefarious. They know exactly what they are doing and why. It makes them richer and more powerful and in turn, untouchable. I see it in MA where sometimes it becomes as obvious as it ever gets.

TheBigOldDog on August 8, 2009 at 8:08 AM

The New Left aka Today’s Progressives were born in the 60s they are anti industry but people think they are some garden variety of Liberal Democrat. they’re not, that is one of the problems people keep using “Democrat” generically “identify the enemy” there are Progressives in both parties. Rahm Emanuel called for the Democrats to stop attacking Democrats. Why? Progressives and Blue Dogs are polar opposites.

Dr Evil on August 8, 2009 at 8:18 AM

It’s all about the Benjamins $$$$$ people got suckered in with Hope & Change. A Whole bunch of conservatives sat out the last election, I wonder if the Republicans got their message? Silent NOT Tame. Politicians really don’t have a clue about average Joes and Janes, that is why this administration is always sending up trial balloons.

Dr Evil on August 8, 2009 at 8:23 AM

Re: Your exit question.
Would love to have him here, but Mr. Hannan is a patriotic Brit who seeks to put his own country’s house in order. God bless him and all who cherish freedom over the mirage of security.

SKYFOX on August 8, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Yes we are insane.

ronsfi on August 8, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Oh come on… this guy is a lightweight EMP who was touting Iceland as an economic model for the rest of the world not too long ago. His entire philosophy is anti-EU and it means he is pushing for Britain to adopt California absurd direct democracy system.

lexhamfox on August 8, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Have any of you heard of Glenn losing 3 of his corporate sponsors? After his comment on F&F about Obama Progressive, Proctor & Gamble and 1 other that escapes me at the moment pulled out.

TampaBayBull on August 8, 2009 at 11:24 AM

I think we could have this guy run for office here in the States. After all, O hasn’t produced his long-form birth certificate with accompanying seal and everything yet. McCain did. If all it takes for someone to get elected to the highest office in the land is us “liking” that person then, heck. Let’s nominate him.

Palin/Hannan 2012

Driefromseattle on August 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM

How do we get Hannan to run for office here?

I’m wondering the very same thing. We need him in Michigan!! LOL

blr2449 on August 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Have any of you heard of Glenn losing 3 of his corporate sponsors? After his comment on F&F about Obama Progressive, Proctor & Gamble and 1 other that escapes me at the moment pulled out.

I didn’t hear that. Progressive I don’t have, P&G I’ll have to check on brands so I don’t buy them. Anyone know what the other one is?

blr2449 on August 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

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