White House to Dems on town halls: “If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard”
posted at 6:39 pm on August 6, 2009 by Allahpundit
Let me remind you again: They can pass any bill they want any time they want. Conservatives can scream their heads off at these things and there’s not an ounce of good it’ll do if Democrats are united. This whole partisan “war” Obama and Axelrod have concocted is kabuki theater against an enemy they’ve already (momentarily) defeated; it’s the Blue Dogs’ fear that they’ll be thrown out of office if they vote for this travesty that’s put the left in the predicament they’re in. The cowardice they’re showing in not wanting to face their constituents is actually obscuring the deeper cowardice of the the party stalling on a landmark bill they finally have the numbers to pass for no better reason than that doing so will jeopardize their hold on power next year. They want ObamaCare and they want their permanent majority, and if the only way they can get both is by calling conservatives Nazis then that’s what they’re a-gonna do.
Top White House aides gave Senate Democrats a recess battle plan on Thursday, arming the lawmakers with tips for avoiding disastrous town hall meetings while showing them polling on popular aspects of the reform effort…
They showed video clips of the confrontational town halls that have dominated the media coverage, and told senators to do more prep work than usual for their public meetings by making sure their own supporters turn out, senators and aides said.
And they screened TV ads and reviewed the various campaigns by critics of the Democratic plan.
“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,” Messina said, according to an official who attended the meeting…
“They are just helping us understand the fringe that is trying to mess up our meetings,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).
What does Reid mean by “fringe”? It’s come to this:
Instead of appearing in person, where “extremists” would have “the chance to shout and make YouTube videos,” Baird said Wednesday, he’s holding what he calls “telephone town halls” instead.
Baird said he’s using the new system because he fears his political opponents may be planning “an ambush” to disrupt his meetings, using methods Baird compared to Nazism.
“What we’re seeing right now is close to Brown Shirt tactics,” Baird, D-Vancouver, said in a phone interview. “I mean that very seriously.”…
Pam Benson of Larch Mountain, 62, said she realizes Baird disagrees with her on health care reform…
“He’s supposed to be our representative,” said Benson, a purchasing manager for Portland Cascade Architecture and Engineering in Portland. “He’s supposed to listen to us, whether he’s on our side or not.”…
“We are not nut cases that disagree with this issue,” she said. “There are a lot of very well-informed people that are against this health care thing.”
Luckily she won’t have a chance to face down Baird and then be “punched back twice as hard.” Exit quotation: “Despite the legitimacy of the public’s concern, demonizing democracy has become pretty common these days for the left… By dismissing the anger of conservatives, moderates, libertarians, conservative democrats and independents the administration looks out of touch and appallingly arrogant. In fact, it will hurt them even more because Obama promised to listen to the concerns of the citizens, not operate with a tin ear.”
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Shut us out now. We will shut you out in 2010.
TN Mom on August 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Does this bho and the d’s understand that the people who voted for them are also pi33ed? I pray that the American public are waking up, D’s, R’s and all others. SEE what is gonna happen? You like it? Well do something about it.
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letget on August 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Money quote (emphesis mine) from the end of that article William:
omnipotent on August 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM
The Obama administration is out of touch and is appallingly arrogant. Obama is surrounded by communists and fascists who are yes men. So now they want to punch Americans back? What the hell kind of representative government is this?
I will be recording some protests next week. Should be interesting.
izoneguy on August 6, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Yes, they don’t care. The end game is to enslave all of us anyway.
darwin on August 6, 2009 at 7:10 PM
I don’t think you and a lot of others here quite understand the situation.
They are entrenching, they don’t plan on going anywhere. If they have their way, there won’t be an election in 2010
Sugarbuzz on August 6, 2009 at 7:10 PM
ugh Bob Casey is useless.
becki51758 on August 6, 2009 at 7:11 PM
EXCELLENT idea. Who says the congresscritter has to call the townhall.
Tea party organizers could send a politely worded invitation to their representatives and senators. Stress that you’re letting news agencies know that you are inviting them to explain the bill. That you will be presenting information to the general populace and that you would welcome their participation to clear up any “misinformation” Keep a chair on the podium or stage in a very prominent place labeled for said ‘representative’.
Fighton03 on August 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM
This is a critical point. Many people are afraid to say the “C” word. This is exactly what they’re acting like. Fascism was just Mussolini’s version of Marxism.
These people are communists … soft communism now, a much harder communism later.
darwin on August 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM
As a student of history every passing day brings another flashback to 1774-75. hopefully this will not end with them firing real bullets at the protesters like they did in boston those many years ago or like in Iran today.
We will not be cowed. we will not back down we will not go gently into that good night
unseen on August 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Now that’s a slogan, a t-shirt and a big bumper sticker!
sherry on August 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Is there such a word as “panickery”?
Laura in Maryland on August 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Not unless we elect some conservative republicans with backbones!
lawtwin on August 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Try it.
/Posted by my elderly mother in law.
F*c him.
/Posted by my mother.
Bring it on.
/Posted by my father in law
Key West Reader on August 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM
I think they want to push enough for the threat of a civil war. That way they can declare an emergency and do all sorts of stuff for the good of the country. It’s like the moron that goads you into punching them so they can sue you.
jmarcure on August 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM
they haven’t been democrats in a century.
Fighton03 on August 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Oh my goodness, in one day this has gotten way worse. Now Obama doesn’t just want in your face, he wants to get physical.
This is nuts and will end up in a civil unrest like has not been seen in a while. Obama is nuts.
ORconservative on August 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM
We can video the empty chair because I’ll bet a weeks pay that even a kindly worded invite will be declined due to scheduling conflicts.
HoustonRight on August 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Romeo13 on August 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM
That is precisely what the man taking on Barney Frank is doing. He’s holding a town hall meeting on August 12th, with Dr. Mildred Jefferson. Here’s the info if you’re local.
Question adn Answer w/ Earl Scholley
Wednesday, August 12th 6:00 p.m.
The Elks Lodge,
4500 No. Main St.
Fall River, MA
gopmom on August 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM
BTW – Barney’s Town Hall is a phone call, too.
gopmom on August 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Dude. Are they even AWARE that there are elections in their future? I mean, it’s really starting to freak me out. They have CONTEMPT for voters as if they will always be in power…anyone think they PLAN ON IT?
I feel sick.
Mommypundit on August 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM
If they are then they’ve already lost. The actual number of true Obama loyalists is very small. They garnered a large base on deception, and once that facade begins to fall away the only ones left are that small group.
They cannot hold onto power, especially if they begin blatantly violating the Constitution.
darwin on August 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I think they want to push enough for the threat of a civil war. That way they can declare an emergency and do all sorts of stuff for the good of the country. It’s like the moron that goads you into punching them so they can sue you.
jmarcure on August 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM
yes but as of now the army still defends the consitution. And leans right. I don’t think they have the car5ds in there hands to push this. I can not imagine tanks rolling over protesters in the USA. I may be wrong but IMO the oath the army takes will require them to side with the protesters.
unseen on August 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM
If ya’ll think you can kick my ass…that’s an ass whooping I’ll have to take. Cause I ain’t backing down…no sir.
DrW on August 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM
First the astro turf reference, and now the brown shirt thing. They are in over drive trying the “I know you are, but what am I” routine. Every time a negative term begins to stick, they throw it on the Republicans and cry “foul!” It’s laughable if it weren’t so serious.
Ozprey on August 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I have an awful feeling that this is getting to the point where this thugocracy keeps urging their minions to stir things up so badly – that somebody out here who doesn’t have self-control, or thinks they have nothing else to lose, might use these folks with the marching order:
…as moving targets.
Then there goes our arms.
I’ve never been a paranoid before, but this administration has increasingly turned me into one.
Where did I put my tinfoil hat….
tru2tx on August 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Dems are about government control under the auspices of countering corporate control. As if corporations could ever compete with tanks and jets.
But make no mistake, authoritarian statism comes bundled with their kernel assumptions. These tactics are yet one more manifestation of their drive to control – the discussion, and by extension, the people participating in it.
TheUnrepentantGeek on August 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Exactly why it’s there. Drive home that these people are hiding from the issue.
We need to make them more afraid of their constituents than Pelosi/Reid/Obama.
Fighton03 on August 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM
All that assumes they have the military and law enforcement in their back pocket. They don’t. The military has a duty to disobey unlawful orders.
darwin on August 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Bottom line is this.
Barack Obama’s approval rating -12 by Monday
Dem’s? By Monday the term Dem will be dust.
/keep fuggin with the elderly, you idiots. If you sink yourselves you’ll have nobody left to blame.
Key West Reader on August 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Why don’t they call it the “Progressive” Party? I’m beginning to see there ARE three parties:
The Progressive (far left)
The Democrat (moderate left)
The Republican (moderate & right)
Of course there is the far right, but they don’t seem to have representatives in power (militias, etc.)
I think part of what is hacking people off is that the Democrat party has been taken over and dragged left by the Progressives. It has many Dems scratching their heads–witness the PUMAs of the last election and I’m assuming many AARP members. People are waking up to realize these organizations no longer represent them.
UnderstandingisPower on August 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Sure sounds like Chicago politics to me. Hope it only works in Chicago. If I was a Dem, I’d sure take exception to being threatened.
GFW on August 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM
I can see Fall River from my house!
Only kidding but I do live within a hours drive but it’s not my turf and Barney isn’t one of my reps.
jmarcure on August 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Threatening to Punch the Elderly.
Now, there’s a headline.
Key West Reader on August 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM
I watched a little of MSNBC this afternoon. They were really working hard pushing the Dim talking points that it’s only a few fringe right-wing nuts, organized and paid for by corporate interests opposed to any HC reform, that are disrupting the townhalls and raising objections to the HC bill.
It’s hard to believe any of the so-called Blue Dogs are buying this line. They have access to the polls too, and they must know that this bill is going over like a lead balloon with the majority of voters. Are they really going to risk being voted out of their cushy jobs next year?
AZCoyote on August 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Clear and present danger.
reaganaut on August 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM
You must be some sort of racist. I should report you immediately… From now on, you will refer to to the kettle as stainless.
kringeesmom on August 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Unbelievable! Since when does a government hit back twice as hard as its citizens protest….let’s see, Iran comes to mind!
Linnea on August 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM
well this is change. never thought I would see civil unrest on a national scale in my lifetime. Keep the change Obama I liked my peace and prosperity alot better
unseen on August 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM
They’re only being threatened with getting fired for not doing their job.
Fighton03 on August 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM
jmarcure on August 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Rep. Tsongas is having a town hall in Chelmsford this Saturday.
gopmom on August 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Hey obots…….do you like whats happening?
grapeknutz on August 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Related, from the boss: “Phoning it in”
Rep.s are pulling this all over the country. Having “telephone town halls” so they can closely control the message and avoid any of those distasteful dissenting opinions! (btw…in this post Michelle includes my e-mail where I describe my Rep’s monkey business from last night.)
dont taze me bro on August 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Imo, its their last shot.
Their idiotic marxist/commie ideologies always fail when put up against reasoned analysis and the facts of history, so they tried another approach..”fairness” fighting “racism” and “sexism” or fighting for the “common people” while not mentioning the roots of their ideologies. That worked to a point..but freedom and capitalism continued. Their last gasp..which seemed to be working, and inflated their confidence, was the to push environmentalism and extreme green policies under the guise of “saving the Earth”. Success in these policies would have bankrupted the country and strangled capitalism and personal freedoms. Now people are actually starting to think about what is being sold to them, and arriving at the conclusion, “Thanks…but no thanks”.
This is it for them.
They’ve run out of angles to destroy capitalism. If they loose this time, they’re done.
This is why they will get ugly and dangerous. They are like a rabid dog backed into a corner, or a starving animal sensing a stronger animal about to take its food away.
Itchee Dryback on August 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM
I’m not sure because we do have Kent State in our past. I think that the military will side with what they know as the legally elected government until that government crosses a clear line. What and where that line is I don’t know. Maybe it would take mass executions in the streets before the military decides they are on the wrong side.
jmarcure on August 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Punch a geezer for your country!
Sounds like a sweet campaign slogan to me.
omnipotent on August 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM
What a bunch of play ground commies!!!
This is the tactics of the white house?
No wonder the rest of the world is lovin this hussein administration!!
They roll over for terrorist, and send out the goons to work the community event?
Now we know why charges have drop against the Black Panthers,…scratch my back,…
christene on August 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Where they are having “phone” town halls, organize a protest and stand by their office…call the media. tape it. youtube. share.
man, it is going to suck for us when the leftists who own these technologies shut us down, isn’t it?
Mommypundit on August 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM
If they won’t have a meeting, cruise on down to their office and drop in on the 22nd. Details at recessrally.com
califdreamnred on August 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM
I could have sworn that on election night, Obama said he was going to be my president too.
Just words, I guess.
myrenovations on August 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Democratic congresswoman prventing protestors from entering townhall
Watch video on site
William Amos on August 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Time for recall petitions?
kurtzz3 on August 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I’m also thinking YouTube, Twitter, the Internet, and Talk Radio are vital to exposing the game these people are trying to play. Were it not for these resources of information, if we were forced to ONLY listen to the networks for our “news” *shutter!* most of us would have no idea there are tea parties or how many were there, that these townhalls are happening the way they are, that AARP got handed their backsides on a plate by the seniors, that Obama told the SEIU that he was unequivocally for single-payer, etc.
Information derived from many places, verified, confirmed, and just gathering pieces is essential to this fight.
Oh, and what’s with the sudden shift from “Health CARE Reform” to “Health INSURANCE Reform”? Do they really think we are all that stupid?
UnderstandingisPower on August 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Unreal. Absolutely un-friggin’-real.
What an arrogant, elitist dope. All the Dems.
They’re acting 10 times worse than their derangement told them Bush was. It’s just incredible.
JetBoy on August 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Check this out… more democrat astroturfing: Democrats Send Out Bogus Letters To Sway Support For Obamacare!
Projecting always has a way to come back and smacking you.
Enoxo on August 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM
The Progressive (far left)
The Democrat (moderate left)
The Republican (moderate &
rightleft leaning )Of course there is the
far rightavg citizens, but they don’t seem to have representatives in powerUnderstandingisPower on August 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM
fixed it for you
unseen on August 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Oh my goodness. Don’t make it stop.
Please LET THEM CONTINUE labeling and condemning intelligent and concerned hard-working patriotic loyal Americans (many of whom voted for Obama and the nitwit Democrats sitting in Congress right now) as Nazi’s, Brown-Shirts, and Extremists, etcetera ad nauseum.
The swift demise of the fillibuster-proof Democrats in Congress, and the Defeatocrat in the White House, will surely follow.
SilverStar830 on August 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM
The more they push, the more we resent them.
Apparently they forget who puts them in office and who funds their government.
Chaz706 on August 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Democrats: The Party of NO Class.
TN Mom on August 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM
I’ve never seen an administration like this one:
Singling out private citizens.
Veiled threats.
FishySnitchGate.
Punchback.
It’s disgusting.
Blake on August 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Geez, so instead of just taking their lumps and taking a blow… they are just making themselves more horrible by treating their constituents so bad. So they are making a bad situation 100 times worse!
terryannonline on August 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM
If they punch twice as hard, we will deploy our heavier weapons and ammo. You had to know this may come to pass in time.
BottomLine5 on August 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Senator Blanche Lincoln “Im sorry for calling protestors “UnAmerican”
William Amos on August 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
just got my dorm assignments for school; my 2 roomates describe themselves as liberal and very liberal, respectively. Should be fun.
Chiasmos on August 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
We planned to attend tonight’s Townhall meeting to discuss the plan. I got word that the SEIU and ACORN would be there and that we had no guarantee for safety. So, what I am going to do? Bring my 73 year old Mother in Law into a mob scene?
They have accomplished their goals. We did not attend. I will not put my mom in danger. I still can’t believe that I backed down, but I was afraid for my mom.
/FBO
Key West Reader on August 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Just like everything else that comes out of his mouth, it was a lie.
AZCoyote on August 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
unbelievable…
cmsinaz on August 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
But…but…but…”Dissent it Patriotic.”
Why does President Obama hate patriots?
29Victor on August 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Oh heck yes!!
TN Mom on August 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
I can’t believe what I’m hearing from the left. And I can’t believe it isn’t a bigger news story. If these tactics work and they get away with demonizing democracy then I think our country will have changed irrevocably. I’ll admit it… I’m scared.
I can’t believe that I am once again shocked by how low the left will sink and how complacent the media is.
Ampersand on August 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Can I just say I’m thankful Bush won in 2004…imagine if the Dems had been charge during the tough times of the Iraq War?
terryannonline on August 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Great….I can’t wait for Obama to sick his Red Guards on everyone. Everyone better be prepared to write self-criticisms and work on a collectivist agricultural site.
Shock the Monkey on August 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM
A question to our military HA’ers…..
When it comes down to firing back because obama’s PUNCHES are really BULLETS, will most of our armed forces back the constitution and send this sonofab1tch to Venezuela?
Or do we have to shoot our own, and get shot by our own?
Spiritk9 on August 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM
You mean like this?
http://www.resistnet.com
upinak on August 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM
“We’re mad as hell and
we’re not going to take it anymorethey’re not going to listen anymore!”- The Cat
MirCat on August 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM
The sad part is, I have seen one (or two) like this.
In Venezeula, Cuba, Bolivia…
This literally makes me a little sick to my stomach when I read crap like this.
reaganaut on August 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM
stand strong my friend
cmsinaz on August 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Tactics ala the New Black Panther party it would seem
Linnea on August 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM
jmarcure on August 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Kenty state is totally different case. there you had “radicals” people that were in the minority anti-war protesters against the military.
here you have grandma and grandpa, avg middle class people. Do you really want to compare the two?
I would color myself purple if the army attacks peaceful protestors in the streets of any major city.
We also had the watts riots etc where the army moved in but that too was when violence fires, riots etc were being committed.
The only thing it would be compareable too would be the attacks in the South by local authorities during the civil rights peaceful protests and we all Know how that turned out. If the dems tried this they would never again hold power in this country and many would never see another day without bars in the way
unseen on August 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM
I can’t speak on those who are still in.
But most Vets.. I would say would shoot back. They are losing just as much as the “normal people”.
upinak on August 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM
I’m not scared. I’m angry. And a lot of other Americans are as well.
And the media are not complacent — they are complicit.
AZCoyote on August 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Thank you Mr. President and Senator Reid, et al for all of the great material for our 2010 and 2012 ad campaigns… and that’s even before we get to the economic/budget numbers.
D2Boston on August 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Breaking News: Enormous mobs gathering all across the country in effort to express their infinitesimally small minority opinion about health care reform.
dont taze me bro on August 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Thanks, unseen. That’s my gut feeling too.
UnderstandingisPower on August 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM
He’s jealous of someone having a pride he’s never experienced.
HoustonRight on August 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Obama likes to quote the Untouchables a lot. Wussy boy.
Mojave Mark on August 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM
My view of the Adminstration and Congress:
They’re supposed to listen to us, not punch us. They’re supposed to protect our liberty, not ask people to snitch on us for disagreeing. They’re supposed to back our Armed Forces, not hamstring them from doing their jobs and threaten to make them pay for their veteran’s benefits. They’re supposed to serve us. We don’t serve them. They’re supposed to be advocates for America, not destroy it.
I want My Country back!
kingsjester on August 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM
As an aspiring officer applying for OCS as we speak, I can’t speak as a soldier. However, even my most conservative friends in the Marine Corps and Army say “he’s the CiNC.” While the military is filled with Republicans/Conservatives, it respects even its douchiest leaders.
Shock the Monkey on August 6, 2009 at 7:34 PM
My mom’s the same age and I’m afraid I would have to keep her from starting something. I guess that’s where I get it. Take your mom, a camera/tape recorder, and legally excercise your rights.
califdreamnred on August 6, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Fixed it. Do you really think without the new media we would know any of this? If they had a way of keeping us disinformed, they would.
UnderstandingisPower on August 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Free speech??
That’s for members of congress and Obama. Everyone else will pay.
Dissent??
That’s when congress and Obama tells the American people to go screw themselves, shut up and sit down.
Debate?
That’s what Democrats promise voters to get elected. Also refereed to as government handouts.
Nazis?
Old ladies with white hair and over weight men wearing Bermuda shorts actually showing up at townhall meetings thinking they may engage in dissent.
Mob?
See the above.
JellyToast on August 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Hey Ogabe, you fight like a cow and hit like Hannah Montana….
bring it on.
sven10077 on August 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Note to self: Learn to use current technology.
Meant to replace complacent with complicit.
UnderstandingisPower on August 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM
I don’t think they respect them. I think they are just going off Code. I know quite a few who, in no small words, would tell him to GTH.
upinak on August 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Democratic congresswoman prventing protestors from entering townhall
Watch video on site
William Amos on August 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM
This guy I follow on twitter who was there. He said the Union thugs got there early and took half the seats. The Rep read a statement and then left out the backdoor/said to e-mail questions. There were 1000 people outside. Wonder who called the cops? /sarc
Wow these Dem Reps aren’t cowards at all.
hmfearny on August 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Watch video on site
William Amos on August 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I always appreciate your links and your efforts at Hot Air.
fourdeucer on August 6, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Kent State is different because it wasn’t something ordered by the military. You had poorly trained National Guardsmen, with poor leadership placed in a situation where a couple of them handled it very, very poorly.
Sort of like Abu Ghraib – Poorly trained, undisciplined soldiers with terrible leadership. That’s not indicative of the entire armed forces.
This isn’t meant to slam National Guard or Reserves, but it is what it is, especially prior to the Iraq war.
reaganaut on August 6, 2009 at 7:38 PM
I sometimes wonder to, but people can only do things this irrational by really believing it.
itsspideyman on August 6, 2009 at 7:38 PM
I like your analysis. Good point with the environmental push, I actually never looked at it that way. I can’t help but think that if Emmanuel/Axelrod weren’t behind the scenes that the ugliness and the attacks would have been slightly more benign. But then again, there’s Nancy.
Great post, I enjoyed reading it.
sherry on August 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM
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