St. Louis town hall: Protesters locked out while SEIU is admitted? Update: “These Members need cover”
posted at 9:59 pm on August 6, 2009 by Allahpundit
Jim Hoft was there and claims that’s exactly what happened. Funny coincidence: Some people at the town hall in Tampa where the fight broke out saw a curiously large number of SEIU people there, too.
SEIU & Castor organize a townhall and announce it at the last minute as to reduce opposition voices. The townhall was packed 1/2 w SEIU people.
When supporters of healthcare freedom (ie, anti-BigGovHealth demonstrators) were prevented access to the townhall they began to shout, bang windows & doors.
Normally I’d be skeptical that this is as bad as it looks — maybe the SEIU guys were staffing the event or maybe they’d already been admitted and had stepped outside for something — but if Rachel Maddow and Think Progress don’t care what’s true and what’s not, why should I? Go ahead and assume the worst. The left certainly would. Click the image to watch.
Update: Amanda Carpenter e-mails to point me to Health Care for America Now’s playbook on how to counter conservative protesters at town halls. The money bit:
Another one of Ms. Jorge’s tips is to “Address the [member of Congress] directly with a positive message: Remember, these Members need cover and they are getting beaten up by right wing zealots in these meetings.”
HCAN Communications Director Jacki Schechner said protecting elected officials who support their favored reforms was necessary given the contentious nature of some town-hall meetings.
Ms. Schechner said conservatives are baiting lawmakers into holding town-hall meetings, “so [lawmakers] can get yelled at and they don’t want to feel unsafe and uncomfortable.”
Stacking the audience with friendly SEIU members in lieu of ObamaCare naysayers surely qualifies as providing “cover.” Fun fact: One of the organizations on HCAN’s steering committee is, you guessed it, SEIU.
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Why meet with Congress in Town Hall meetings if the union stacks the deck in not letting you in…just throw another tea party!
Jeff from WI on August 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM
So why not march on washington on september 11th and ask to be freed from the terrorist activity in our congress.
workingforpigs on August 6, 2009 at 11:24 PM
What’s next? Federal workers get a day off to attend pro-Obama rallies? Castro would be proud.
29Victor on August 6, 2009 at 11:26 PM
There’s no more surprise in me at these tactics. It will get worse, and more divisive, which is what they want anyways…
Ozprey on August 6, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Shouldn’t stop people from calling and e-mailing their congress critters. Also, standing outside the doors, getting in way of any television cameras needs to help make sure that the media can’t start spinning all of this “support” for the bill from adoring fans.
AZfederalist on August 6, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Worth a look, trust me.
pulled from Ann Coulter’s site
http://la-gun.com/email/manning/
TampaBayBull on August 6, 2009 at 11:29 PM
I wouldn’t read the Star and Sickle even if you held a gun to my head, but I can imagine the scene.
McCollum is the same trashy stiff who refused to attend the first ‘Support the Troops’ rally at the state capitol way back in 2003. She has always been a dimwit and her voters could possibly be even dumber than Ellison’s.
Bishop on August 6, 2009 at 11:29 PM
I was at the Carnahan joke-fest tonight. We got there at 5:30 p.m. and stood in a line that went from the back of the building, along the side, all the way around to the front. We were probably 1/4 of the way from the door in line. Doors were supposed to open at 6:00 p.m. We were told that the venue held 200 people. Any idiot would know, the way these meetings have been going in St. Louis, that at least 1,000 would be there tonight. So the Carnahan people were controlling the event by staging it at an inappropriate venue–one that held a “manageable” number, evidently.
I’m 57 years old, and I guess I’m just naive. I assumed that it would be first come, first in. The line started moving in an orderly way, then suddenly we were stopped–”It’s full,” they said. I was about 10 people back and didn’t get in. With my own eyes, I saw people continue to be let in at a side door. Some of them were wearing purple shirts that identified them as SEIU members.
About 500 of us stayed outside the doors, waiting for what, I’m not sure, but waiting until the event was over. I was well aware that Carnahan, being the coward that he is (I was locked out of an event of his at a car dealership earlier this week) would scurry out a back door and not face the overflow crowd. That’s exactly what he did.
The mainstream media reported that there were 1,000 people at the event. My guess was there were more like 2,000 waiting in line to be let inside. I have no idea how many were actually let in.
labwriter on August 6, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Andy Stern, head of SEIU along with Ayers is a former member of the SDS/Weather Underground terrorists who were/are guilty of acts of sedition against this country.
the lengths he will go are EXTREME!
And this ahhole is a weekly advisor to The One! Fasten your seatbelts everyone, I detect heavy turbulence ahead!
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/lat-na-stern28_jsp80mnc20090627175439,0,6875118.photo
Archimedes on August 6, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Why would the SEIU go to these meetings? Aren’t they exempt from Obamacare?
lorien1973 on August 6, 2009 at 11:33 PM
I don’t get it. Why bother to hold these meetings when you have to pack them with the choir you’re preaching to to keep them under control? To get the proper sound byte for the media?
I thought the media was already so far up Obama’s ass there’d be no point in the charade.
Strick on August 6, 2009 at 11:34 PM
So the Left’s point now is to insulate our Representatives from any whiff of opposition.
They’ve taken “we think you’re stupid” to a whole new level. Now they’re assuming that Congressmen are so stupid that if they stack townhalls only with adoring union members and Acorn activists, the Congressmen will assume that all is well.
I guess we need to take this to the next level to get their attention.
guntotinglibertarian on August 6, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Pisses me off to see a Dorothy Day quote on those shirts. I wonder what the commies in SEIU would think if they learned that she quit being a commie and became a Catholic?
On another note, is there anyone in NY-07 that wants to meet up and go to Joe Crowley’s office in Queens? I can’t seem to find a townhall listing on his website, but it might be good to make our presence known.
Fallen Sparrow on August 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM
SEIU was there to shout down the “angry mob” of people against ObamaCare. They also were there to waste time asking inane, softball questions. Any time that Carnahan could spend with one of their questions was time not spent dealing with the “radical mob.” Saul Alinsky, baby.
labwriter on August 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM
That’s what I thought too but I guess not b/c if you look at their website you see that they are all being urged to “send their medical bills to Congress”.
mph on August 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM
So how is this Bush’s fault, or is that time past?
GunRunner on August 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM
You got it! Carnahan is toast. People were angry before; they’re beside themselves now. He is out of a job as of 2010.
labwriter on August 6, 2009 at 11:42 PM
I love Manning.
Too bad he wasn’t our First Black President.
guntotinglibertarian on August 6, 2009 at 11:42 PM
What the heck was that? I watched the whole darn thing!
CCRWM on August 6, 2009 at 11:42 PM
That’s why they are going. They are the hired muscle to scare off constituents who will be affected. Part of their payment is to be exempt.
Vashta.Nerada on August 6, 2009 at 11:45 PM
guntoting who is Manning?
CCRWM on August 6, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Who’s Larry Sinclair?
Rhinoboy on August 6, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Why would the SEIU go to these meetings? Aren’t they exempt from Obamacare?
lorien1973 on August 6, 2009 at 11:33 PM
They are. But all the old SDSers that founded Progressives for Obama and run unions like SEIU & AFSCME and provide his media production for campaigns like Organize for America through Fenton Communications, have some rather ghastly intentions. Don’t take my word it, take undecover Special Agent Grathwohl’s word it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ
Archimedes on August 6, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Whoa!
misslizzi on August 6, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Gateway Pundit has video and pics of the St. Louis Carnahan event.
labwriter on August 6, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Who’s Larry Sinclair?
Rhinoboy on August 6, 2009 at 11:48 Pm
Oh my, thats way old info. gay guy who claimed he had sex and coke with Obama at the Nat’l Press Club presser, and got arrested by troopers sent by Bidens son outside of their jurisdiction in DC for a petty mis demeanor. As Linda Douglas might say, a tad “fishy”!LOL!
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM
the folks that are on call via Obama’s campaign email database are soft – intellectually and otherwise. They are easily put in their place when you call them out personally as socialists.
This bunch of useful idiots are basically useless to achieve Obama’s desired results – and after calling on them the last few weeks I’m sure Obama is realizing he will have to use other assets to produce that ‘in your face’ feeling.
Ed Graef on August 7, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Powerful stuff. Dead on target.
“And I’m joning ‘em!” You’re welcome to, Brother Manning.
infidel4life on August 7, 2009 at 12:10 AM
They’re also probably just plain damn burnt out (as most of us here are, though we can’t afford to be).
Remember, this is almost 2 years of full throttle campaigning that Americans been experiencing here.
misslizzi on August 7, 2009 at 12:10 AM
All this does is accentuate that this is an administration of special interests, by special interests, and for special interests. Keep obambi and his supporters in their own echo chamber, and then force them to keep shrinking the defensive perimeter. 2010 is going to be a bloodbath.
Fighton03 on August 7, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Nuance.
Fallen Sparrow on August 7, 2009 at 12:15 AM
They’re also probably just plain damn burnt out (as most of us here are, though we can’t afford to be).
Remember, this is almost 2 years of full throttle campaigning that Americans been experiencing here.misslizzi on August 7, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Hell it’s been nearly 3yrs for me, I started on a cadidate’s oppo-research team early on. He despite a great amount of protest from us refused to use alot of the material just coming out now that we had loooong ago! Da sh*t has been taking up space on my hard drive it seem like forever!
Take a guess who I am talking about.
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Single payer = 2 million new SEIU members.
Also, I believe Stern has been given orders that if he wants Card Check he has to help break heads in Congress on health care.
rockmom on August 7, 2009 at 12:23 AM
DO TELL! lol.
Fighton03 on August 7, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Dude, the DC Tea Party is 9/12. Be there.
Sapwolf on August 7, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Single payer = 2 million new SEIU members.
Also, I believe Stern has been given orders that if he wants Card Check he has to help break heads in Congress on health care.
rockmom on August 7, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Card check got killed b/c it was just too blatant. There is Card Check-lite moving through congress now that amounts to about the same thing under a different name.
I forget the details & name right now, but it had something to do with expediting Guv “mediation” within two weeks of a call for a vote on unionizing. If an employer could not comply with with an instituion of a “fair” vote within 2 weeks, they have to accept the guv’s decision.
Under the definition in the bill, any company over 50-100 peeps could be found out of compliance as how do you meet the nebulous definition of “fair” in so short a period. Then a Labor Czar comes in and decides for everyone, any guesses how that’s gonna work out?
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 12:34 AM
There is only one person who will be able to stop Obama and the Dems AND prevent major bloodshed.
Sapwolf on August 7, 2009 at 12:36 AM
hahahaha
I wanted to send him an email, but Carnahan’s website is down. People here are incensed. The stupid little man is finished in 2010.
labwriter on August 7, 2009 at 12:36 AM
DO TELL! lol.
Fighton03 on August 7, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Been working on through venues like this and others. I’m charging for it, so you if want anything in particular just ask, there’s a damn good chance I’ve got related dirt.
At this point as my guy choked, I am fighting the battle the best I can on my own on here, American Thinker & PAPundits Int’l where I’ve started getting traction.
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Dammit! Freakin Typos! .I AM NOT CHARGING FOR IT It is entirely free to all who want it, screw the battle I just wanna win the WAR!
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 12:42 AM
hahahaha
I wanted to send him an email, but Carnahan’s website is down. People here are incensed. The stupid little man is finished in 2010.
labwriter on August 7, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Geee! I wonder why..hehehehehe!
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Today is August 7th.
People are up posting their opinions, feelings, and experiences after a day of townhall meetings, blog reading, contacting their reps.
Their is a movement building.
We are tired of being ignored.
When 300 to 500 people show up to voice their disapproval and they are turned away because SEIU/ACORN or some other Obama-funded group was paid to show up early, reserve seats, and block entrances, this only adds fuel to a blazing inferno.
The future is uncertain.
VibrioCocci on August 7, 2009 at 12:47 AM
I wonder if they think they are gonna make everyone like the crap they are trying to ram down our throats by pulling tricks like this. I think that by using SEIU -government union thugs to pack these meetings the Dems are just going make more people angrier than they already were.
Sporty1946 on August 7, 2009 at 12:51 AM
The media can report what they want.
They can call us fringe, kooks, right wing nuts, paid shills for the insurance companies.
It doesn’t matter.
You know what you believe in your heart.
People who have attended these townhall meetings are seeing first hand what their elected reps really think of them.
The movement builds.
VibrioCocci on August 7, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Dammit! Freakin Typos! .I AM NOT CHARGING FOR IT It is entirely free to all who want it, screw the battle I just wanna win the WAR!
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Damn that was close, I am glad I caught that, I’d be soooooooo scewwwwwed if Allah or Ed kicked me outta hear. I’d hafta go find a therapist or something, the threads at HA are my life-line at this point.
I live deep behind the lines here in Chicago the Oborgs are thick and I worry greatly about attempted assimilation. HA is a little like a transciever in WWII Europe, a phychological crutch for those most imperiled of imminent tyranny.
Alright already enough with the melodrama, but I’d be lost w/out you guys!
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 12:56 AM
Is it really THAT bad, Archimedes?
VibrioCocci on August 7, 2009 at 12:57 AM
I’m behind the lines in Metropolitan Bloombergia; I know how you feel. Keep hanging in there – we’re here for you.
Fallen Sparrow on August 7, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Gawd, you must be in Hyde Park.
misslizzi on August 7, 2009 at 1:00 AM
I’m about 6 hours, 300+ miles, due north of you. Surrounded by dense forest, very, very few people, and a large stock of powered-projectiles and powered-projectile-dispensers.
If TSHTF flee north!
Yoop on August 7, 2009 at 1:04 AM
Obama supporters attack a man at St. Louis Town Hall
Enoxo on August 7, 2009 at 1:15 AM
A hall filled with supporters is media eye candy – ‘See? Everyone is for it. If you’re not, you’re alone and don’t matter.’
Isolate the enemy.
Marginalize them.
‘They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future.’ – Saul Alinsky
TinMan13 on August 7, 2009 at 1:18 AM
Looks like we have another teachable moment for Obama and Holder, Enoxo.
tsagen on August 7, 2009 at 1:20 AM
Dammit! Freakin Typos! .I AM NOT CHARGING FOR IT It is entirely free to all who want it, screw the battle I just wanna win the WAR!
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 12:42 AM
If it hadn’t dawnen on you as yet, I am pretty damned political. The social strata I mix in is as well, an “R” has not won crapola here in what, forever?
Being in said strata had its uses for a while during the primaries as I had friends in both the Obama & Hilly camps.
When thgey we’re locking horns I was getting above avg. intel from each side in their efforts to do eachother in via channels that wouldn’t have their prints so to speak.
Other than some die-hard Hilly peeps, that well went dry after it came down to Mac & Bam-bam. But having been complicit with, and aware of my methodogy I am hardly viewed in the same light.
Alot of them know that in the threads I am Archimedes and that I write under MJMotley at A/T & PAP’sInt’l, so they fairly abreast of my activities, know at least some of what I know as they gave it to me, and definately see me as a threat. Particularily the Obama folks. Of which are in great abundance here vs NYC!
But, I shirk not and carry the banner with pride, F**K ‘Em!
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 1:26 AM
I wish we didn’t have to wait a month for this sh** to explode in the liberal Dems’ faces. In the meantime, give ‘em hell!
NathanG on August 7, 2009 at 1:42 AM
A shout out of encouragement from deep in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia! Hang in there and make the bastages pay.
Fighton03 on August 7, 2009 at 1:45 AM
T
Obama ain’t nothin but a long legged mac daddy…Bwaaahhh
That was hilarious.
Geochelone on August 7, 2009 at 1:48 AM
My twelver is toast! I’m out all, have a g’nite!
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 1:56 AM
This was an account of one of the arrests from the St. Louis townhall meeting. The media will try to paint this as the conservatives starting fights and being unruly. But, this shows that pro-Obamacare people are also crossing the line.
Also, after the White House told Democrats to “punch back twice as hard” it will be easy for Conservatives to make the point that Obama has ratcheted up the tension instead of dialed it down.
Hannity, Beck, Rush, Levin, etc should read that quote over and over to make the point that this White House is sending out the dog whistle to it’s ACORN and union thugs. Not exactly a Presidential thing to do. Presidents are supposed to call for calm and reason, not ramp it up.
JohnInCA on August 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM
Why not just pass some new form of the Nuremberg Laws?
Upstater85 on August 7, 2009 at 2:08 AM
I almost made it outta here, but checked my inbox on the way out.
News Flash!
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/08/06/obamas-imperial-decree-target-oklahoma/
Now I’m out, nite!
Archimedes on August 7, 2009 at 2:08 AM
Great point. For all of the left’s hyperventilating about George W. Bush, he never told his supporters to go “get in their face”, or “hit back twice as hard”.
This guy was supposed to be a Uniter that will bring the country together. He is probably the most divisive President I’ve ever seen.
JohnInCA on August 7, 2009 at 2:20 AM
Does anyone know where there is a list for townhall events being held? My congressman is Darrel Issa and he’s pretty damn solid as a conservative, so I don’t need to go to one of his meetings. But, I would love to attend one of the others in the surrounding areas. Any help would be much appreciated.
JohnInCA on August 7, 2009 at 2:28 AM
What we should if they will not listen to us when they come to our area, let’s march on DC and meet them in their offices on the first day back from recess.
ConservativePartyNow on August 7, 2009 at 2:40 AM
This SEIU in particular and also these auto unions are a disgrace to the labor movement. These other unions need to start getting out there and denouncing them and their out of control activities and “fishy” links to this administration. But, I’m not holding my breath. Also, I never dreamed that the AMA and AARP would support this pile of crap.
Why would coal miners and electricians, firefighters, policemen, etc. be happy with this ilk or the ObamaCare plan for that matter? Regardless of any health care provisions for those of us in unions, it’s going to hurt millions of other people who aren’t, it’s going to hurt friends and family, and eventually it will hurt us anyway.
Dr. ZhivBlago on August 7, 2009 at 2:47 AM
Things are happening even faster than I thought, and the new jobs report comes out tomorrow.
DFCtomm on August 7, 2009 at 2:54 AM
“JohnInCA on August 7, 2009 at 2:28 AM”
here ya go!
http://www.cprights.org/townhalls.php
Buckaroo on August 7, 2009 at 3:05 AM
With the jobs report set for 9.6 per cent unemployment tomorrow, Obama and the Liberals are melting down faster than suspected. He knows what’s happening. That’s why he was pushing for everything to get passed so quickly. Unfortunately for him and his puppet masters, the Sleeping Giant has awakened. The American public is starting to realize that this is about complete and total Socialist control, not Hope and Change.
kingsjester on August 7, 2009 at 3:05 AM
Unions = organized mob.
If you manage to get in, just ask questions about taxing healthcare benefits (including those of unions) to pay for this monstrosity that is Obamacare. That’ll get the SEIU’s attention.
Daemonocracy on August 7, 2009 at 3:57 AM
“just ask questions about taxing healthcare benefits (including those of unions)”
HEH
Buckaroo on August 7, 2009 at 4:14 AM
“Obama and Larry Sinclair….Had a steamy love affair”
lol
xblade on August 7, 2009 at 4:49 AM
HELL YEA!
PPF
ProudPalinFan on August 7, 2009 at 4:51 AM
I was at a town hall in Cincinnati. They let Driehaus supporters in early to fill the front of the room, then opened things by calling out all the “teabaggers” in the room and telling them to shut up or be removed. Provocative? This will escalate, but the real battle will occur, IMO, when the Dems try to STEAL the elections in 2010 and 2012. This is something that needs to be prepared for now.
davecatbone on August 7, 2009 at 5:32 AM
“Probably?”
Absolutely. Nothing pisses me off more than to see footage of union and other thugs that disrupt protests and nobody puts them in their place.
Sugarbuzz on August 7, 2009 at 6:26 AM
I’ve been saying for a while now, come 2010 America is going to look like those pictures from Iran’s election, because they are absolutely going to try to steal or shut down the 2010 elections.
It’s the only thing that explains their arrogance and lack of concern about keeping their jobs
Sugarbuzz on August 7, 2009 at 6:29 AM
Town Hall kabuki theater check list
Open Saul Alinski playbook – check
Demonize and isolate opponents – check
Call protestors well-dressed “mob”-check
Stage event at a locations too small to handle crowds-check
Bus in union supporters who happen to be able to get into meeting-check
Talk down to opponents with platitudes rather than proposals-check
Leave meeting in indignant huff-check
Sit back and watch what happens-check
Shock and awe that violence occurs-check
Cry “Can’t we all just get along”-check
Obama’s beer-wagon rolls in for a teachable moment-priceless
sh221b on August 7, 2009 at 6:54 AM
“we are tyrants for the good of the people”
//moonbat
invest in steel, lead, and pyrodex futures
sven10077 on August 7, 2009 at 7:06 AM
So it looks like it’s OK for government union thugs to organize and send out action points, but citizens, no way. Isn’t that the story the unutterably contemptible State run media wants you to buy?
FDR tried the same thing, it failed miserably.
Steel lead and pyrodex investments have the best return.
tarpon on August 7, 2009 at 7:20 AM
We need to start picketing outside SEIU and AFL-CIO offices.
I suggest Tea Partiers pick one day a week and go and peaceably assemble outside their offices with signs informing their members what the leadership is doing on their behalf
coondawg on August 7, 2009 at 7:31 AM
Obama is our Hitler
The labor unions are the SS
Trust NO ONE in a labor union, they’re all traitors.
Trust NO ONE who calls themselves a Democrat, they’re all in league with Satan.
Jeff from WI on August 7, 2009 at 7:32 AM
It’s time to organize against the communist unions.
rplat on August 7, 2009 at 7:37 AM
I would like to amend a post I made yesterday when I read that these thugs were being directed to these townhall meetings. I mistakenly remarked that the probability of violence was 98.635%….. please permit me to change that to 100%
CC
CapedConservative on August 7, 2009 at 7:41 AM
Wait until some union goon hurts grandma or grandpa at one of these meetings. It’ll go nuclear and some union thug will be beaten to death.
Jeff from WI on August 7, 2009 at 7:50 AM
From Thomas Pain and the Rights of Man.
From a small spark, kindled in America, a flame has arisen, not to be extinguished. Without consuming, it winds its progress from nation to nation, and conquers by a silent operation. Man finds himself changed, he scarcely perceives how. He acquires a knowledge of his rights by attending justly to his interest, and discovers in the event that the strength and powers of despotism consist wholly in the fear of resisting it, and that, in order “to be free, it is sufficient that he wills it.”
ted c on August 7, 2009 at 7:50 AM
My Congressman, Paul Tonko, D NY – 21 brags about his former State employment. By virtue of his job as a “professional” ( an engineer) he was (and maybe still is) a member of the Public Employees Federation. The PEF is a proud and active affiliate of the SEIU and mentions that on almost every piece of Union information that goes out from PEF.
I was a member 20 years ago and they couldn’t stop bragging about it then.
Mr. Grump on August 7, 2009 at 8:02 AM
Footage of the fight last night at the Russ Carnahan town hall. An attack by an SEIU thug. He and five others were arrested. I was with the guy who shot this footage–the whole thing happened in front of me. God bless America.
Obama: Community Thug-in-Chief.
labwriter on August 7, 2009 at 8:41 AM
It won’t matter anyway. They’ll just be preaching to the choir for the most part. And they’ll look bad doing it. It will just cement objection.
jeanie on August 7, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Footage of SEIU thugs being let in a side door at the Carnahan event. This was after we were told that the room was full and the doors were locked. All of these people (except the selected ones let in) were locked out. At about 2:50, you see this starting to get really ugly. Then at 3:30, some guy starts speaking to the crowd and calms things down.
labwriter on August 7, 2009 at 8:55 AM
this is getting nasty. the dems have unleashed their brownshirts who are frustrated they cannot just get their way and will literally jam “reform” down our throats through force if they have to. “hit back twice as hard”? really? i have not seen any swastikas anywhere? just fringe opposition?
i almost cannot believe the things I’m hearing, or rather, I can believe the things I’m hearing and seeing but I cannot believe that so many people A)don’t care, B)aren’t getting the truth, and C)are so brainwashed that they still think these statists are looking out for our best interests.
i will make it a point to be at the next town hall meeting that I hear about in the St. Louis area. i have to see this in person with my own eyes and ears.
Paul_McD on August 7, 2009 at 9:07 AM
More mobsters from St. Louis.
Not sure if this was from last night’s Carnahan thugfest; he’s had two other forums in the last few weeks. The sight of blue-haired old ladies and crotchety old men is truly scary to behold…
Tongueboy on August 7, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Mack Daddy Obama!
As he shall now be known!
anniekc on August 7, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Does stifling voiced opposition equal no opposition? What does the theatre of a placated Town Hall accomplish, exactly?
At work must be a belief that the herding instinct is alive and well amongst enough Americans that it will overcome logical opposition and lead to support. How else to explain it all?
Using the herding instinct is at the heart of the ‘turfing strategy: make enough sheeple believe that the rest of the herd thinks X, and they will become afraid to think Y.
The problem is, the dem calculus about how many Americans are governable by the herding instinct, in contrast to their own logic and beliefs, is probably wrong. It just won’t work if the thing being done is sufficiently objectionable. Despite the theatre, the drowning out of opposition voices in the Town Halls by union goons, the opposition will remain, and will be articulated in the communications with Reps and Senators. In fact, the theatre will raise the temperature of those communications. It’s a considerably stupid move to stifle the voices. Better to let them vent. Then at least when the legislation is passed, it has an aura of acceptability, having been thrashed to death out in the open.
Americans, the American gene pool, over the years has not collected the herdable… quite the opposite. Venturing out to California through a land hostile in climate and occupants is not exactly for the feint of heart. All of the risky accomplishments of Americans over 200 years has not been of the feint of heart.
Gooning is stupid. It goes to show how fundamentally the dems do not understand the American people, the American spirit. They are probably thinking, instead, that this time around, they will get socialism right, and will set a new example for the world.
Stifling debate, stifling the voice of the American spirit is just the beginning. It is entirely non-productive theatre, as at the end of the day, the American spirit will not be convinced through the tactic of using fear of being different, fear of being separated from the herd. To be plain, it is a tactic of using fear as a motivator… which signals the intention to use a stick rather than a carrot.
The ‘turfing use of fear to motivate, when it does not work, will inevitably give way to another kind of motivator. Do we think it will be a carrot, or a stick?
Look out, for it is picking up the stick that is the instinctual action of the dems. When this particular stick fails to work, another, more sinister stick is probably held behind the back. This is not going anywhere pretty.
shaken on August 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM
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