Report: Violence breaks out at Tampa town hall on health care
posted at 9:19 pm on August 6, 2009 by Allahpundit
The toll: “At least one fistfight” plus “shoving and scuffles.” No word on who started it, how many people were involved, etc, but if the left can turn a memo sent to 10 people by a guy who’s not even a Republican into a nationwide GOP astroturfing conspiracy, surely it can turn some chanting and a fistfight into Kristallnacht. I look forward to MSNBC’s coverage tomorrow.
From what I can tell, it was a protester who got the worst of it. The Teamsters’ handiwork, perchance?
Several of the protestor’s signs bore an image of Obama with his face painted as the Joker, an image that drew protests of racism locally when it appeared on a Web site thought to be associated with the Pinellas Republican party…
One of those involved in a scuffle, Randy Arthur, of Oldsmar said he was injured by those manning the doors and said he would file a police report.
He and his wife, Kathy, were outside the meeting room when organizers tried to close the doors. Randy Arthur and others tried to stop them “and he didn’t give up,” Kathy Arthur said.
Randy Arthur, who owns an air conditioning service company, later talked to police officers, his knit shirt ripped and a few scratches visible on his chest. “They slammed him into the wall,” Kathy Arthur said…
“They’re hiding from their constituents. She works for us and needs to listen,” said Karen Jaroch, a Tampa homemaker and organizer for the 9-12 Project, set up by rightist TV commentator Glenn Beck.
If all they’re going to do is scream, they belong outside. Disrupting the event itself when people are trying to listen is a jackass thing to do, and totally counterproductive in terms of handing the left material with which to tar the GOP. Which reminds me: Since this is bound to be used against Republicans, what exactly is the logic behind the theory that Republicans are organizing it as part of an astroturf campaign? Said the Florida Democratic Party chair after tonight’s fiasco, “Recently, their thoughtful discussions are being interrupted by angry mobs – well funded and organized by Washington special interests – attempting to drown out the voices of the hard-working Floridians who are desperate for health insurance reform.” Well-funded Washington special interests are trying to win the media war … by telling people to get into fistfights? Nuance.










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There is another angle to this story. When the meeting hall is filled with union muscle, to keep opponents out of the meeting hall, the congressional representative also gets the message the he/she isowned by the union muscle.
If congress doesn’t pass the health care bill they, they member of congress, gets beat up by the unions.
Skandia Recluse on August 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Damn will someone shut up those whining constituants!
heshtesh on August 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Great analysis – you’re right. Local media outlets tend to be a lot less liberal in their reporting than the State Controlled National Media.
HondaV65 on August 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM
I see martial law in our future. Closing of state borders. Food lines. shutting down of the internet and cell phones.
welcome to the Obama administration.
chains we need.
ted c on August 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM
It’s the same asinine logic Pelosi peddles about Big Pharma paying people money to pose as ordinary Americans with… swastika banners.
Lehosh on August 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM
This could escalate and get real nasty. Revolutions were born out of such anger. If Obama and his thugs want a war they’ll get one.
Don’t Tread on Me.
fogw on August 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM
So things didn’t get violent until the day the SEIU and its fellow thugs entered into the debate? Huh. Funny how that happened.
Meetings dominated by the right were peaceful. Suddenly the left gets involved and things get violent.
amerpundit on August 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Profiled at the door? I’m being profiled on the phone when trying to contact my Congressman about his next townhall meeting. I’m being asked to put my name on a “call list”….which is most likely a fishy list.
misslizzi on August 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Amen. The object is to make the other guy look irrational. Keep your cool; watch them loose theirs. That should be easy with these thugs because they’re really just simple-minded tools, anyway.
ROCnPhilly on August 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Absolutely. Asking the “tough questions” and having a “robust debate” are going to do exactly diddly squat with these people. The only thing they fear is the ballot box. What do you think makes more of an impact on them – a couple people asking quickly evaded questions about the bill or two hundred people chanting “Just Say No!” and following them to their car?
KSgop on August 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM
FDR sent in the unions, after he had started them, to beat up the crowds too.
I would like to hear how they defend euthanasia for granny.
tarpon on August 6, 2009 at 9:53 PM
I challenge Obama, Pelosi and Reid to call back Congress from recess. If your health care bill is so popular, and these are just a few extremists, pass it goddammit.
SouthernGent on August 6, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Called the number already. Chris only has a voicemail, but stuffing the voicemail could be fun. :)
I like the idea of folks taking the job and getting some inside video. Unfortunately, I’m in NC.
Was it Minnesota? Any takers??
tickleddragon on August 6, 2009 at 9:53 PM
What does the Left think we’re going to do if this passes? Really, anyone have a theory? Do they think we’re going to just go home and meekly accept our fate?
DerKrieger on August 6, 2009 at 9:53 PM
“If all they’re going to do is scream, they belong outside. Disrupting the event itself when people are trying to listen is a jackass thing to do, and totally counterproductive in terms of handing the left material with which to tar the GOP.”
How wonderfully RINO. WWTLT – what will the Leftos think?
Just bring it to them, fight like hell, donate to real conservatives and let the chips fall.
Most importantly, never apologize and always be on offense.
Once you start that apology crap, you lose. This is life and death for our nation. Real death. Act accordingly.
TexasJew on August 6, 2009 at 9:54 PM
If I were a democrat, I would be a smart democrat. I would allow my constituents to speak. I would soothe them and flatter them. I would be so polite and sweet to them as I addressed their concerns. Then I would go back to Washington and vote just like the Chicago Thugs threatened me to vote. But of course, that is just conjecture, as I am not a Democrat.
bloggless on August 6, 2009 at 9:54 PM
I’m with you SteveMG. We’ve had to put up with all the demonstrations for years from the environmental wackos to Code Pink and on down, Now, when we are finally speaking up for our rights, we are considered the agitators? Americans have had enough and we’re not going to allow the Leftists to finally get their way and control our lives. This Country is about Liberty and Freedom, not Government control.
Hobbes on August 6, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Or how they want to have access to our bank accounts… (?!?!?!?)
newton on August 6, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Really, this is so wrong, how can elected representatives call in union thugs to keep out their constituents, from a supposedly public meeting?
This is how nations die.
Is it too early to start talking about secession yet?
Rebar on August 6, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Now we see the violence inherent in the system.
LibTired on August 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
FDR also only got Social Security passed by threatening the SCOTUS. Seems like a Democrat habit.
DerKrieger on August 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
No.
jazz_piano on August 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Forcibly locking people out of a town hall meeting qualifies.
fossten on August 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Geez AP, when the opponents of Hussein’s healthcare reform are shouted down, and removed from the meetings, MAYBE ITS TIME TO FIGHT BACK? Ya think??????
Andy in Agoura Hills on August 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Help! Help! I’m being repressed!
DerKrieger on August 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
NC? Will you be at the healthcare rally in Raleigh, NC on Saturday?
bloggless on August 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Plus they live with these people. They know what is normal for their area. It would be interesting to know if the union members were from the area or imported.
Cindy Munford on August 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
We have the wind at our backs.
Video everything. Engage no one. Travel together. Maintain your dignity.
Do not submit to their level. We are dealing with common criminals.
ted c on August 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
I don’t care who is on the ballot next year. If they have a “D” after their name, I’m voting NO.
Hell, if the have a D “in” their name, I may vote no.
Offshore_Drilling on August 6, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Yep. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to hold myself back from just exploding.
They try to get you explode from a thousand pin pricks.
Then when you flip a lid, they point at you, look around, and say
HEY
LOOK AT THAT CRAZY GUY!!!!!!!
blatantblue on August 6, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Question:
How do we know which side the COPS are on?
jeanneb on August 6, 2009 at 9:56 PM
YouTube video of the incident.
johnt on August 6, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Start sending letters to Gov. Perry of TX. I’d like to see him come out swinging on this.
DerKrieger on August 6, 2009 at 9:56 PM
I’d also be packing a piece if the State permits it and I had a CCW license.
Andy in Agoura Hills on August 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Remember the socialists NEED chaos to fully achieve their goals. They will create it.
allrsn on August 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Yet when the elderly people began objecting to the AARP twit reading her preapred statement, you had high drama and a great video bite: the AARP woman walking out rather than stay and have her “listening” event.
Wethal on August 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM
WE are on the right side of this issue.
Any violence is simply lashing out on the part of the losers in order to inflict a blood letting during their forced retreat.
Continue the issues push.
Tipping point tomorrow 0830 EST. Unemployment numbers due out.
and the storm gathers…..
ted c on August 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Of course this is the Dems causing trouble. I have been to several Tea Parties and there was no trouble. There is never any trouble when Conservatives meet and get together. Remeber Dan’s Bake Sale back in the 90′s? Several thousand people gathered to celebrate Conservative principles and there was little clean up involved. The crowd gathered with very few problems and everyone had a good time.
This is Obama’s team causing the trouble. No need for an investigation. Press charges. Get it done now!
BetseyRoss on August 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Why do people want to secede the minute we are gaining momentum?
blatantblue on August 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Where and what time? If I’m in town (not sure yet) I will be there for sure.
tickleddragon on August 6, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Would you vote for Ronal Reagan?
DerKrieger on August 6, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Good point.
People need to consider them as trolls and ignore the living f*ck out of them.
misslizzi on August 6, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I now proudly fly that battle flag on the same pole that I used to fly “Old Glory”.
farright on August 6, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Brilliant!
massrighty on August 6, 2009 at 9:59 PM
It has begun
Huffpo attacks “Rightwingers” who silenced “Democracy”
William Amos on August 6, 2009 at 9:59 PM
“If all they’re going to do is scream, they belong outside. Disrupting the event itself when people are trying to listen is a jackass thing to do, and totally counterproductive in terms of handing the left material with which to tar the GOP”
nowhere in this story did anyone claim to want to scream and disrupt the event. there was no mention that people were not allowed in because they wanted to scream and disrupt the event. this entire story was about the frustration of not being able to get in after standing for hours while other people are allowing in the back door.
furthermore, the visible anger and passion and shouting that has occurred over the past two weeks at townhalls has been INVALUABLE in turning the tide against this monstrosity. you don’t get it, it doesn’t matter one whit what the left uses against us. Nobody is listening anymore to the media whores anymore. Tar the GOP? you must be joking. they don’t need material to tar the GOP, and they have ZERO credability. this is too important to wring our hands and worry about how the press might mischaracterize us. buck up dude and start screaming.
exceller on August 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Viva the Tea Party Movement!!
Zorro on August 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM
DerKrieger on August 6, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I did. Those were days when a person could say what was on his mind. Not like the PC crap days like now.
Now we have got the 1st and last black president, trying to fuel the revolution.
We got a lot of guns
Offshore_Drilling on August 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Americans for Prosperity- Raleigh
3:30 pm
Brigg’s Hardware
2533 Atlantic Ave
Raleigh, NC
Of course the union thugs may show up, too.
bloggless on August 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Just for tonight, please disregard my username…I think this certainly was counterproductive to what we are trying to accomplish.
TampaBayBull on August 6, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Ha! Greta is mocking the democraps…
Zorro on August 6, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Yes and we all know who the well funded Washington special interests are at these events. That would be ACORN, SEIU, the DNC and various other Democrat linked activist groups.
To tell you the truth it doesn’t surprise me that something like this has happened especially after all the inflammatory comments being made by the Democratic leadership accusing people at the these town halls of being a bunch of right wing extremists. And it wouldn’t surprise me if the DNC and their activist stooges would deliberately cause problems at some of these events so that the Democrat leadership can get up on their soap boxes and declare “See we were right they are a bunch of angry extremists”.
Hellrider on August 6, 2009 at 10:01 PM
How many people can you lie to in an hour and a half meeting ?
William Amos on August 6, 2009 at 10:02 PM
If the protests have been peaceful up to this point but the day union thugs show up at the meetings a fight breaks out I’m going with this is a lefty setup to try and smear the angry American Public.
This isn’t a Republican Vs Democrat thing this is an American vs Socialist thing and Americans are against this in its entirety.
I know the point has been made but I think it needs to be said again.
theguardianii on August 6, 2009 at 10:02 PM
The civility is for the benefit of those who have yet to join the fight. And it has to be a reasonable one. Not saying to lie down, just don’t be violent. Spirited protest is great. Violence will bring about the loss of one’s political credibility and a gain in the opponent’s solidarity.
ROCnPhilly on August 6, 2009 at 10:02 PM
The Battle of Athens, Tennessee, in 1946
fossten on August 6, 2009 at 10:03 PM
US Rep.Kathy Castor (D)Tampa,
“Its not lost on me,how badly the health insurance industry
and the big drug companys do not want healthcare reform to
happen and they will stop at nothing over the next few mon
ths to derail ah,our needed health reform and health insur
ance reform efforts”!
———————————————————-
There’s the Liberal talking points of deception that they
want to spin as perception,that its the big ‘Drug Companys’
and ‘Insurance Companys’that are busing in goons,when in
reality it is average concerned America citizens voicing
their concerns!!
Liberal tactics,will get worse!!
canopfor on August 6, 2009 at 10:03 PM
YEP!!! Exactly right…
ladyingray on August 6, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Obama already has prepared lies
William Amos on August 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Agreed, and remember they crumple in a real fight. They have no stones.
dogsoldier on August 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM
You only have to read the Hotair web site to see that the democrats are
a) Panicked about the message control getting away from them
b) Putting in place and doing things that are backfiring and creating more anger
The more they do things like ask voters questions about who they are or shut the door on people’s faces they don’t like as I am speculating happened here they will encounter one reaction to quote Allahpundit on his subtitle to this
Anger
Over at Townhall I read an article by Hugh Hewitt about something I had already thought of
The normal reaction to being lied to is anger. The more they defend the indefensible the more angry the questioning public becomes (repeat)
Our dear leader Obama has lit the match for this scenario and is unlikely because of his lust to nationalize Healthcare to put it out.
Does anyone think this can end well?
This is not the kind of thing that we won’t be reminded of everyday we deal with a new national health service.
This will be a permanant scar on the nation. I compared it to my wife as if a husband raped his wife becuase she is weaker and then gave no thought to the rest of the marriage.
Seriously will anyone of us ever stop fighting this battle as our healthcare is taken away and declines? When we see a loved one rejected for care?
This is unlike other issues and Obama is not considering that.
Conan on August 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM
sounds like a perfect way for the Left to get their un-astroturfed supporters in the back door to have a ‘rah-rah, we “heart” destruction of health care’ townhall. clever plicks.
cpr on August 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Yeah … those were some serious thugs, there. I can see why allah is so worried about them. I think it was the senior tapping his cane on the door that scared allah the most. Or the 80 year old lady who they finally let in … Threatening folks, there.
Locking people out of a “public meeting”, especially when union goons fill the hall, is as far divorced from America as it gets. But, allah is so embarrassed by these people …
progressoverpeace on August 6, 2009 at 10:05 PM
yeah sure worked out that way for Barry and ACORN in the Bush years yes?
sven10077 on August 6, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Thanks for the info, bloggless! I will be there!
tickleddragon on August 6, 2009 at 10:05 PM
I saw the video of the muscle head with the SEIU shirt on standing up trying to give the stink eye to the ones in the back. That had to be grassroots /sarc
TampaBayBull on August 6, 2009 at 10:06 PM
I agree. I guess I’m just saying that sitting quietly in an auditorium waiting for a staffer to point to you to ask a question won’t get very far. But yes, there is a balance between getting your point across and turning off potential converts to your side.
KSgop on August 6, 2009 at 10:06 PM
I smell the stench of posers. The union thugs have arrived, they are mingling and they are stoking the fires. I noticed one fellow grinning, spotted a phone camera pointed in his direction then exited stage left, quite hurriedly.
fogw on August 6, 2009 at 10:06 PM
When all is sad and done, regardless of whether the representative thinks the constituents are out of hand or rude, the sheer numbers cannot go unnoticed. Only a fool would not realize that this treatment is not going to help come election time, not to mention fund raising. When it became clear that everyone wasn’t going to get into the building, she should have scheduled another meeting immediately. Local press know local people.
Cindy Munford on August 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM
I wondered the same thing in this thread.
This is a PERMANANT national complaint that is ongoing if they do this.
Conan on August 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM
I believe we just saw some of this stuff happening.
In Iran.
LibTired on August 6, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Sorry, but if someone shuts me out of a meeting that concerns my healthcare and that I have every right to attend I will shout, too. And you should, too.
bloggless on August 6, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Guys, bottom line- if this healthcare bill passes that is end game. It must be stopped. If people shout when they are being lied to over and over, then so be it. We are dangerously close to losing our freedom. If you can’t get passionate about that, then I give up. I am losing sleep over this. These politicians need to understand the anger and that’s not going to happen by being polite while they spin their lies. This is a matter of life and death.
Now let’s roll!
alwaysright43 on August 6, 2009 at 10:10 PM
The local people need help with these leftist thugs and it’s time to put out a notice for that help.
rplat on August 6, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Go to the townhalls, tea parties and rallies. Video tape them. Take pictures of them. Take pics of the cars and plates nearby. Who do they think they are? Forget the polite crap – we have a right to speak.
bloggless on August 6, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Can anyone else hypothesize what would have happened had a Republican, or say, President Bush or VP Cheney, decided to hold an informational hearing and CLOSED IT OFF to those who disagreed with their/his policies?
The media would be ALL over it and complain about it. Wonder why they are merely parroting the line from the Obama White House?
siwrcw03 on August 6, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Following is Obama’s email to his Brown Shirt thugs who are obviously answering his call . . . this could turn into a blood bath.
=============================================
from President Barack Obama info@barackobama.com reply-to info@barackobama.com date Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM subject This is the moment mailed-by bounce.bluestatedigital.com
This is the moment our movement was built for.
For one month, the fight for health insurance reform leaves the backrooms of Washington, D.C., and returns to communities across America. Throughout August, members of Congress are back home, where the hands they shake and the voices they hear will not belong to lobbyists, but to people like you.
Home is where we’re strongest. We didn’t win last year’s election together at a committee hearing in D.C. We won it on the doorsteps and the phone lines, at the softball games and the town meetings, and in every part of this great country where people gather to talk about what matters most. And if you’re willing to step up once again, that’s exactly where we’re going to win this historic campaign for the guaranteed, affordable health insurance that every American deserves.
There are those who profit from the status quo, or see this debate as a political game, and they will stop at nothing to block reform. They are filling the airwaves and the internet with outrageous falsehoods to scare people into opposing change. And some people, not surprisingly, are getting pretty nervous. So we’ve got to get out there, fight lies with truth, and set the record straight.
That’s why Organizing for America is putting together thousands of events this month where you can reach out to neighbors, show your support, and make certain your members of Congress know that you’re counting on them to act.
But these canvasses, town halls, and gatherings only make a difference if you turn up to knock on doors, share your views, and show your support. So here’s what I need from you:
Can you commit to join at least one event in your community this month?
In politics, there’s a rule that says when you ask people to get involved, always tell them it’ll be easy. Well, let’s be honest here: Passing comprehensive health insurance reform will not be easy. Every President since Harry Truman has talked about it, and the most powerful and experienced lobbyists in Washington stand in the way.
But every day we don’t act, Americans watch their premiums rise three times faster than wages, small businesses and families are pushed towards bankruptcy, and 14,000 people lose their coverage entirely. The cost of inaction is simply too much for the people of this nation to bear.
So yes, fixing this crisis will not be easy. Our opponents will attack us every day for daring to try. It will require time, and hard work, and there will be days when we don’t know if we have anything more to give. But there comes a moment when we all have to choose between doing what’s easy, and doing what’s right.
This is one of those times. And moments like this are what this movement was built for. So, are you ready?
Please commit now to taking at least one action in your community this month to build support for health insurance reform:
http://my.barackobama.com/CommitAugust
Let’s seize this moment and win this historic victory for our economy, our health and our families.
Thank you,
President Barack Obama
rplat on August 6, 2009 at 10:13 PM
ERGO, martial law must be enacted.
fossten on August 6, 2009 at 9:50 PM
fossten: Thats exactly what Team Obama wants,the,
Civilian National Security Forces!!:)
canopfor on August 6, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Knew violence would erupt when they called in the organized labor thugs.
Enoxo on August 6, 2009 at 10:15 PM
The Democrats have the votes. They can do anything the want. What is this really about?
Cindy Munford on August 6, 2009 at 10:15 PM
awful lot of good, lush terrain they’ll have to cover….
sven10077 on August 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM
AP you are way behind the curve. This thing has a life of its own. Sitting there and calling them jackasses is just dumb. They are going to do what they are doing. Leave them alone. This is way beyond you. Editorial comments will inflame them more.
I gather you have never seen a movement come about. If you did you would be intelligent just to step back and watch it happen. Whatever goes down that fate is sealed.
Jdripper on August 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM
“We have it in our power to begin the world over again.”
Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776
ccbokc on August 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM
rplat on August 6, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Well, that’s the end of that.
Jim-Rose on August 6, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Just as powerful, just as well-funded as the military. Just words.
LibTired on August 6, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I dare them to knock on MY door!
tickleddragon on August 6, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Uh huh. Weren’t you in favor of people shouting at cops two weeks ago? Who’s going to enforce your detention policy?
I been saying for 17 years ever since Clinton raped the term “town hall meeting”: A town hall meeting is the community meeting ITSELF, not some Washington VIP. If the COMMUNITY can’t be heard it is the VIP who disrupted the meeting.
If every liefest to sell socialism involved a locked door and an angry citizen rally in the parking lot, it would be a great day in America. Dear Jesus, let it be so. Amen.
Chris_Balsz on August 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Well, there weren’t any fights until immediately after Obama called out his goon squad so I’ll assume it was them that started it.
FloatingRock on August 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM
True.
I’m concerned about these thuggish tactics on the part of the Administration and its lackeys. However, ultimately I’m not too worried, because the thuggery only displays how weak their position really is.
Nevertheless it is important that no one allows themselves to be intimidated by the strongarming. (Gosh, if it’s like this on the outside, I can only imagine what it’s like to be a Representative being “convinced” in the Oval Office).
Anyway, is anyone else wondering if these tactics are all just for show? And that the thuggery is being performed by a loud minority in order to scare the dissenting majority?
I have a feeling the Left isn’t as large of a movement as they’d like us to believe they are, especially in recent months.
misslizzi on August 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM
What’s the over under on teargas being used before this thing is done?
- The Cat
MirCat on August 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM
The spark that will finally cause the looming explosion is when somebody with a cam catches an obvious leftoid pushing someone’s grandma to the floor. Or punching someone’s grandfather.
It will happen. Be prepared. All hell is going to break loose.
The Democrates believe they cannot afford to lose. We cannot afford to let them win. Them are the facts.
Yoop on August 6, 2009 at 10:20 PM
This is where we are headed…
August 6, 2009 ……………….. LCMSNews — No. 64
Terri Schiavo’s death not peaceful, says brother
By Paula Schlueter Ross
In his keynote to the 26th National Conference of Lutherans For Life (LFL), July 24-25 in St. Louis, Bobby Schindler said his sister, Terri Schindler Schiavo, did not die a peaceful death, as her husband has said.
Terri Schiavo, 41, died in 2005 after her husband, Michael Schiavo, received court-ordered permission to have her feeding tube removed in the high-profile case. Her family disagreed that Terri would have wanted to die.
In Terri’s last days, while Michael Schiavo’s attorney was telling reporters he’d never seen Terri so “beautiful,” the Schindler siblings were begging their mother not to visit her daughter, whose court-ordered starvation had ravaged her body almost beyond recognition.
Bobby Schindler said it was impossible for him to describe his sister after two weeks without food, water, and palliative care, but called her starvation “the most heinous, barbaric thing I ever had to witness.” It is, he told LFL conference-goers, something he will remember all his life.
Some 275 people attended the annual conference, which included a pre-conference leaders workshop, plenary sessions, worship, a banquet, an abortion-clinic vigil, and workshops on a variety of pro-life topics under the theme “Celebrating the Abundant Life,” from John 10:10.
In his keynote, Schindler said that in his home state of Florida, it’s a felony to starve an animal, “but we’re doing it to our most disabled people.”
“If we can’t value life, how can we value anything?” he asked, calling the disregard for human life “the most significant issue facing the country and world today.”
Schindler said his sister’s situation can’t be classified as an “end-of-life issue,” since Terri was not dying, was not in a coma, was not “brain dead,” and was not in a “persistent vegetative state.”
In fact, his family thought she was getting better — she was starting to form words and trying to talk, abilities that would surely have improved with rehabilitation, he said.
The Schindlers were “shocked,” he said, when they learned that Terri’s husband wanted to remove her feeding tube — which she needed because she had trouble swallowing — and they offered to care for her themselves. But after five years of trying to save Terri, even with support from around the world, the judge ruled in Michael Schiavo’s favor.
Schindler said he believes more and more U.S. judges, lawmakers, the media — even some in the medical profession — are embracing a “quality of life mentality” in deciding whether disabled people should live or die.
“Who would want to live in this condition?” is the wrong question to ask, he says, since thousands of people are living “in this condition” nationwide.
Schindler sees two choices: You rationalize that it’s OK to kill people with disabilities, or you take care of them. In a chilling development, food and water, he said, can now be classified by courts as “life support,” even for those who, like Terri, may have a severe brain injury but are not dying.
“What I saw happen to my sister, no brother, no family, no parents, in particular, should ever have to witness,” said Schindler, who, with his parents, Robert and Mary, and sister, Suzanne, have started the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation to “help families fight for those who cannot fight for themselves.” The St. Petersburg, Fla.-based foundation has received more than 600 calls since it was established in 2001 and has assisted in 100-plus cases. (For more information, visit its Web site at http://www.terrisfight.org.)
Schindler encouraged LFL conference-goers to:
# care about the value-of-life issue. Apathy, he said, has made the problem worse. “We have to care, we have to get involved,” he said. “We have to look at this issue [as being] just as important as … the abortion issue because it is the same issue — it’s the killing of life.”
# support pro-life lawmakers who “have the same principles and values that we do because they’re in positions where they can change the laws and help stop things like this from happening.”
# write the media. “Be professional and kind … and tell them that we disagree with their position. It works.”
# continue to pray for pro-life efforts.
# educate people. “I think we can change their hearts when they see just how barbaric this issue is, the abortion issue, all these issues when we’re taking life for no other reason than these people have become an inconvenience in one way or another to us.”
Schindler called the audience members “heroes,” and commended them for their willingness to fight for life.
Edna Walker of Cleburne, Texas, called Schindler “very inspiring,” and said his talk “reminds us of what’s going on in our society and how things are deteriorating in the value of life.”
LFL Executive Director James Lamb said Schindler’s talk was “very powerful” because “he was speaking from his heart and his soul and his passion. He was speaking out of his love for his sister, and out of his great desire that what happened to her would not happen to others.”
Lamb said LFL “has a part in sharing that message, to help people know what’s going on and that we can indeed do something about it because we’ve got a more powerful message than the message of death, and that’s the Lord of Life.
“And,” he added, “that’s what this gathering is all about — following that Shepherd of Life.”
Cynthia Chapa of Fort Worth, Texas, said she appreciates “the fellowship with people of like mind” an LFL conference provides. “Seeing people still in the ministry who have been in it for years and years is very, very inspiring,” she said.
First-timer Cynthia Schulz, a teacher for more than three decades who has been involved in youth ministry for 18-plus years, said she attended the conference because she feels “very strongly” about the abortion issue and has seen firsthand “the hurt that comes in the lives of children who experience abortions.”
Abortion never “solves” the problem of teen pregnancy, Schulz said, but instead causes “grief and hurt.”
The next LFL national conference is planned for July 23-24, 2010, in Milwaukee, under the theme “Bringing Good News to Life.”
For more information about Lutherans For Life, call 888-364-LIFE (5433) or visit its Web site.
Based in Nevada, Iowa, LFL is a pro-life, pro-family ministry that witnesses to the sanctity of human life through education, based on the Word of God.
OmahaConservative on August 6, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Invest in steel and pyrodex…..
sven10077 on August 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM
It took the left 8 years to get the presidency back that Daley, Chicago and company tried to steal in 2000!
It took them longer to get congress back!
They will not give up easily!
They intend to force their liberal policies upon us by whatever means necesary.
They Lie, they Cheat, they race bait, they intimidate, they have talking points that we are the organized mob, we are organized by the bogus boogeyman Big Insurance!
They are the organizers and are going to try to create chaos and blame it on us!
Pinnochio will satrt a civil war if thats’ what it takes to bring us to socialism.
We should have learned from the inept McCain campaign that Marcus of Queensbury Rules are useless aginst street thugs, liars and cheaters.
I will be peaceful until one of these bought and paid for punks touches me then its’ time for someone to swallow their teeth.
I will not go peacefully into socialism when the majority of America is against it and when hundreds of thousands of Americans have fought and died for freedom.
Organized, Angry Mobs they ain’t seen nothin yet.
Get up in my face if they want but touch me, and they’ll find out why I work out two hours a day!
dhunter on August 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM
The left wants to make those who are attending these “townhalls” to look so bad that I would not put it past them to make it very violent — as in a congress person or senator being attacked/shot/knifed by a “crazy”. They’ll find someone who is expendable and make them the sacrificial lamb. They may not be killed but seriously wounded and they hope that will turn the tide towards them with media attention on the violence. There will be cameras in the hall to record everything so it can be played over and over in the MSM.
It’ll be an organized hit created and generated by the left designed to impugn those who are against Obama’s policies and make American’s disgusted and afraid with the opposing voices.
I hope it doesn’t go that far, but I put nothing past them as they are in desperation mode.
angrywonk on August 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Where has that happened? Old people throwing chairs video on youtube? If you have a position, take it. Don’t make stuff up or try to put words in my mouth.
peacenprosperity on August 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM
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