Pelosi: Beware of astroturfers carrying swastikas

posted at 1:00 pm on August 6, 2009 by Allahpundit

Normally we don’t recycle the quote of the day for a new post but when the Speaker of the House starts babbling about Nazi symbolism, it merits extra attention. Riddle me this: Isn’t the point of astroturfing to create the perception that your viewpoint is more popular among the grassroots than it really is? It’s a tactic to boost your legitimacy, in other words: Good, hard-working Americans have seen the wisdom of your position and rallied passionately to your side. But if this is all a big ‘turf op orchestrated by the GOP, why on earth would Republicans be sending people out carrying signs with swastikas? There’s no faster way to delegitimize yourself as a crank, even if the swastika on the sign is meant as a derogatory symbol for the Democrats’ socialist aspirations. It’s Godwin’s law in action. Which means Pelosi’s theory is that the GOP has organized a massive covert PR campaign … aimed at discrediting itself? This is the steel-trap mind that’s helping to plan your medical coverage in the decades ahead.

Oh, another minor detail per Wizbang: Apparently there’s zero evidence of anyone actually carrying a swastika aside from a few testimonies in the comments at, um, Daily Kos. I have heard of one person carrying a sign with the SS symbol, in which one of the S’s reportedly stood for — you guessed it — socialism. Thankfully the left’s never done anything like that. Exit question via Andrew Breitbart: Why can’t the Democrats just pass what they want to pass with their supermajority and stop whining incessantly about Birthers and mobs or whatever? The answer, I think, is that the whole “mob” meme is effective only insofar as it creates the impression that the GOP is the stumbling block to ObamaCare, which of course is an outright lie. It’s the Blue Dogs who are holding things up for fear of a backlash in their purplish districts if they vote for socialized medicine. Which brings us back to the astroturf smear: If the left’s so sure this is all a psy op by Republicans and that Joe Public’s gung ho to run health care into a collectivist ditch, then the Blue Dogs should call the GOP’s bluff and pass whatever Obama wants. Then, when they’re all reelected next year, the great conservative fraud will be proved and The One will have a great victory, no? Put up or shut up, kids.

Update: Since the nutroots’ own fondness for astroturfing extends all the way to taking orders over the phone from Barack Obama, doesn’t it make more sense to think at least some of the cranks at these events are false-flag operations organized by the left? I have no evidence for my theory, but then, er, neither do they for theirs.


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progressoverpeace on August 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Entirely possible…the mother of all crises, and suitable for martial law, suspension of elections, etc. It has worked for leftists before, why not now? it certainly fits with Marx’, Lenin’s, Mao’s, Chavez’ written and executed plans to spread the revolution.

Would help explain Bama’s need for speed and ignorance of the details of the bills in the House and Senate. Delay could scuttle a lot of plans, the opposition could organize well and deeply enough to overcome the bomb throwers.

There are competing explanations which also fit to the behavior of Obmaa/Pelosi/Reid and cadre…from incompetence to borderline mental illness.

Whatever is driving this ship aground, we are headed for a grounding unless Obamacare and Crap+Tax are stopped. Even if these insanities are stopped, we have a left wing that will be thoroughly enraged. Little Billy Ayers might start making bombs again.

Harry Schell on August 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Seems to me that with all of the hyperbole coming out of these deranged dems – they are trying to turn up the heat, stir the pot and are hoping and praying to Gaia that one those “crazy bible and gun clinging” wingnuts will SNAP and use a town hall for target practice.

Bye-bye Second Amendment.

This just has a more sinister feel to it than pure rhetoric.

tru2tx on August 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Blue Collar Todd on August 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I’m just finishing Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”. A must read.

DerKrieger on August 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM

DrW on August 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM

There goes my liverwurst sandwiches, I’ll never be able to eat another one without thinking about her. Another food group bites the dust.

chemman on August 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM

The kids are indeed in charge.

Grafted on August 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM

progressoverpeace on August 6, 2009 at 1:38 PM

If they ever succeed in destabilizing America to that degree, our one opportunity for salvation will be to eliminate every single one of them as quickly as possible.

LimeyGeek on August 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

As to the reason why the Dems are pushing this and the whole “birthers” meme, Allah and the other pundits have it wrong. It’s called “packing the media pipeline.” The Dems don’t want all the media coverage during the August recess to focus on the details of the proposed healthcare legislation. So instead, they have gotten the focus to be on whether or not the protestors are plants or genuine…they don’t really care how that argument works out…they just don’t want the conversation to be on health reform specifics. They are going to keep this going until the August recess is over so that people don’t find out what is in the bill. Let’s stop talking about astroturfers and get back to the bill…the WH and the Dems want to keep the conversation on astroturfers

AmericanUnderground on August 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

“Grassroad opposition”? My God, she’s even stupider than I thought, which is saying a great deal.

eyedoc on August 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Did you hear the one about the Speaker of the House whose face would make a train take a grassroad? Or was it “dirt road?” I think the origin is southern; maybe a Blue Dog could straighten me out.

Barnestormer on August 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Spontaneous Human Combustion……if only wishing could make things come true……

BobMbx on August 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Ever see Firestarter?

juanito on August 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Little Billy Ayers might start making bombs again.

Harry Schell on August 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Justice, for that traitor, has been a long time coming.

LimeyGeek on August 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM

LimeyGeek on August 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Right, by voting them out, as you have stated many many times on this blog.

RushBaby on August 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Pete, the current adjective is “calibrated”, not “calculated”.

BobMbx on August 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Yes. Let me be perfectly clear, “calculated” is inartful, sooo yesterday. The socially just word is “calibrated”.

petefrt on August 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

They are here in the background turning us all into Col. Flag.

farright on August 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

FIFY

Laura in Maryland on August 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

There goes my liverwurst sandwiches, I’ll never be able to eat another one….
chemman on August 6, 2009

Thank God!
What the heck are doing eating liverwurst anyway?

Goodeye_Closed on August 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Right, by voting them out, as you have stated many many times on this blog.

RushBaby on August 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

That’s right….by voting….what other possible option is there I wonder?

LimeyGeek on August 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

“packing the media pipeline.”
AmericanUnderground on August 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Good point. Important to understand and keep in mind.

petefrt on August 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Dennis Prager really went off on this today too, but in his usual classy professorial manner. A couple of callers who had Holocaust victims in their families were horrified at Pelosi’s Nazi smear. Prager then went through the litany of Bush=Hitler accusations from the Left. Devastating!

rockmom on August 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM

There are competing explanations which also fit to the behavior of Obmaa/Pelosi/Reid and cadre…from incompetence to borderline mental illness.

All of the above. The ‘rats and Ogabe actually believed that his no-substance popularity could be ridden for his entire term, but reality got the better of them and they started actually talking; admitting to not reading bills was the final straw.

Now the public is turning on them and they don’t like it, so as the cornered savages they are, the ‘rats are blindly striking out. This will end badly one way or another; electoral losses next year will have the left rioting for real.

Bishop on August 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Obama lied…Paitents died

Goodeye_Closed on August 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM

“packing the media pipeline.”
AmericanUnderground on August 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Good point. Important to understand and keep in mind.

petefrt on August 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM

This also explains the flag@whitehouse fiasco. They knew there would be a backlash but if it kept people from posting details and kept the media on the WH’s actions then success.

HoustonRight on August 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Dingy Harry just said in a press conference that we are being led by a talk show host. I just wish it were true.

Dire Straits on August 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

LimeyGeek on August 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Yep. It’s going to be very rough. But, the left always brings society to these sorts of flash points – in small part from their stupidity and in large part from their malice.

progressoverpeace on August 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Seems to me that with all of the hyperbole coming out of these deranged dems – they are trying to turn up the heat, stir the pot and are hoping and praying to Gaia that one those “crazy bible and gun clinging” wingnuts will SNAP and use a town hall for target practice.

Bye-bye Second Amendment.

This just has a more sinister feel to it than pure rhetoric.

tru2tx on August 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Or have some random liberal take one for the team and shoot it up – if they can figure out how to use the fancy triggering device.

Sinister is their blood type.

Grafted on August 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Oh nooooossssseeeee!

They found a pic over at the HuffPo!

Our entire movement has been marginalized!

We might as well give up now!

/s

These pathetic maggots have no idea the shi+ storm that is about to hit.

Joe Caps on August 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Dingy Harry just said in a press conference that we are being led by a talk show host. I just wish it were true.
Dire Straits on August 6, 2009

Unfortunately we have no leaders on our side. I think most of the GOP left for their August recess in January

Goodeye_Closed on August 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

They are here in the background turning us all into Col. Flag.

farright on August 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

FIFY

Laura in Maryland on August 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Dayum……. I didn’t know that he died! RIP.

grapeknutz on August 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

This stupid ______ has to go. Her stent in fantacy land needs to end, and a splash of reality on her is badly needed.

Without a doubt, she is the worst speaker the US has ever had. What were the dems thinking…..Se is going to singlehandedly hand the house back to the Republicans.

saiga on August 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Just this morning, the Democrat Congressional Black Caucus was busy formally organizing their own mobs;

Veteran’s For Peace National Convention, August 5- 9, 2009
University of Maryland

Opening Ceremony featuring The Honorable Donna Edwards, US Rep (D.- MD)

Flashback: IVAW Bomb Threat

Terp Mole on August 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM

saiga on August 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Or a bucket of water..she’s melting she’s melting

HoustonRight on August 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM

They found a pic over at the HuffPo!

Joe Caps on August 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Heh, if that poster steamed their clams, Rush’s show today should send them ballistic.

petefrt on August 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Joe Caps on August 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

…and yet, no condemnation of Frau Barr’s cookies.

Laura in Maryland on August 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

I’m curious. If someone’s carrying swastikas to town hall meetings, where’s the video? I mean, even my 75 year old mother-in-law has a video camera in her cell phone, so there’s got to be video or at least photos, right? I’d like to seem them.

Absent that, I’d invoke Godwin’s law. That means the Dems have lost the debate on health care, right?

Strick on August 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

They found a pic over at the HuffPo!

Joe Caps on August 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Surely some left leaning operative wouldn’t have photoshopped that sign?

Nahhh…. they are such ethical, upstanding citizens.

tru2tx on August 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Well if it is on HuffPO then Katy Couric will surely put it on CBS News tonight.

Dire Straits on August 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Using a swastika as an anti-obama motif is clumsy and foolish, but there are actually some sincere parallels to be drawn.

LimeyGeek on August 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Flashback: IVAW Bomb Threat

… and (coincidentally) what happens moments before the Leftist peace-thugs arrive?

UMaryland: McKeldin evacuated in bomb scare

WaPo has more.

/nothing “fishy” here… move along

Terp Mole on August 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Funny, but I only recall seeing libtards making Nazi/SS references in their accusations

Wyznowski on August 6, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Unions To Take On Conservative Groups Health Care Town Halls

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/unions-to-take-on-conserv_n_252720.html

So now Axelrod is sending in the government-backed goons against the senior citizens.

juliesa on August 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM

The Dems want and NEED bipartisan support for the simple reason of COVERING THEIR ASSES. When everything goes south, much better to be able to say “WE screwed up”. Less backlash that way; the blame gets spread around. The Dems who passed the “Stimulus Bill” are finding that their vote has come home to roost. And they can’t use the excuse that both Dems and Republicans (except for the traitor 3) voted for it.

GarandFan on August 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Unfortunately we have no leaders on our side.

Isn’t there some former governor or something who has a large and noisy following? Maybe they could get something really big organized.

lonesomecharlie on August 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Dingy Harry just said in a press conference that we are being led by a talk show host. I just wish it were true.

Dire Straits on August 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

As opposed to a “community organizer”.

right2bright on August 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Enough with this bullsh*t. Refer all liberal pigs to this wonderful cornucopia of pics from the anti-war/ anti-bush rallies of the last 8 years. Swastikas are just the beginning for these nutbags. This should make them stfu for good. If it doesn’t, then just give em a fat lip.

RepubChica on August 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Nancy (wicked witch of the left, I mean west) never gets too close to any source of water?

jorb on August 6, 2009 at 2:24 PM

They found a pic over at the HuffPo!

Joe Caps on August 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Is that like the Che shirt at Obama’s campaign office?

right2bright on August 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM

If it doesn’t, then just give em a fat lip.

RepubChica on August 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM

That won’t work with a black dude.

j/k FFS

LimeyGeek on August 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM

This is going to get bad….really bad, before it is over.
So much for Obama bringing the nation together…

right2bright on August 6, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Let’s give her the benefit of the doubt. She is an idiot, after all.

Could she have seen a Hammer & Sickle (the symbol for Communism) and not realizing the intent?

Remember: It is Pelosi.

kurtzz3 on August 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Let’s give her the benefit of the doubt. She is an idiot, after all.

kurtzz3 on August 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM

She’s a total plastic. A bimbo. A golddigger.

LimeyGeek on August 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Been thinking that maybe Boxer has a point about the well dressed crowd. If her theory is correct then all the A holes in DC can be considered a MOB. I think most of us may agree with that.

hillbilly on August 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM

I sense someone getting out of hand at one of these townhalls resulting in a physical confrontation.

Perhaps an encore “teachable moment”?

booter on August 6, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Funny, when I think of American and Swastika, I think of the Kennedy family. Old Joe loved Hitler. The Kennedys admired the NAZIs.

Jeff from WI on August 6, 2009 at 2:40 PM

If Obama is the Joker… is Gates Professor Strange?

Terp Mole on August 6, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Beware of Botoxed Bimbos from San Francisco!

SmallGovtGuy on August 6, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I wonder when the connection is going to be made between Botox injections and a diminished capacity to think?

Monkeybrains220 on August 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Already been confirmed by the behavior of one Jeanne-Claude Kerri (Botox-MA)

Did you know he served in Vietnam? Laos, too. Both at the same time.

Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM

The trick here is figuring out which is the cause and which is the effect. Considering that Kerry was just as big a dope 30 years ago as he is now, I’d have to say the botox is just a symptom.

And yes, I do remember Kerry’s service in Laos; that was during Nixon’s “super-double-secret” term as President.

RegularJoe on August 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM

You know what’s most outrageous about all of this: all these politicians who’ve taken millions from banks, lawyers, insurance companies, etc. are calling CITIZENS phony outrage-mongers for hire. The gall of these people is astounding.

RegularJoe on August 6, 2009 at 2:54 PM

The Left thinks we actually ARE Nazis, so they think that we think swastikas are okay and good. Or something.

Speedwagon82 on August 6, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Swastikas? WTF? What swastikas?

Why are these Libtards so obsessed with all things Hitler? The guy’s been dead for 65 years now, get over it.

I’m guessing that Nancy likes to dress up in a skimpy black leather SS guard’s outfit and role plays Ilsa, the B*tch of Buchenwald with her hubby…lashes his bare bottom with a leather whip while he begs her for mercy.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 6, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Is she crazy or is she on drugs?

Now, to be clear, I have no direct evidence, except for her erratic behavior and bizarre statements, which is more evidence than she has for the aspersions she’s throwing around.

forest on August 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM

forest on August 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Since her ovaries, uterus and vagina all dried up, her body has been misfiring hormones. She’s chemically unhinged.

LimeyGeek on August 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

That’s what this entire campaign is about. This whole “GOP are astorturfing” shtick is directed at the blue dogs. It’s an attempt to sell them on the idea that the anger they are seeing is fake so that when recess ends they will swallow the red pill.

bj1126 on August 6, 2009 at 1:18 PM

No, No, No, under Obamacare they have to swallow the blue pill, since it’s cheaper…

So, I guess the question is, who’s astroturfing all these polls showing Americans oppose Obamacare 68% (or so?)

Keith_Indy on August 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Apparently there’s zero evidence of anyone actually carrying a swastika

wrong.

sesquipedalian on August 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM

So now Axelrod is sending in the government-backed goons against the senior citizens.

juliesa on August 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Not surprised, actually. Crowding public meetings with union goons is SOP for the left nowadays. Rendell and his wind turbine thugs have been using union workers to bully public hearings on wind turbine permits in townships and counties all across PA.

petefrt on August 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Nasty Nazi imagery HERE, but none at the Town Halls. Strange. Is Nancy perhaps lying? Or is she just (as usual) clueless?

mojo on August 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Ohm yes, sesquipedalian, a “No Nazis” sign really proves your point. Twit.

mojo on August 6, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Good thing Obama’s new healthcare logo is so creatively pure.

mredly on August 6, 2009 at 4:46 PM

wrong.

sesquipedalian on August 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM

LOL, a lady holding up a “no Nazis” sign? Please don’t insult out intelligence.

Face it, kid, we have much more evidence of your side making Nazi references. Have fun with the link below.

http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler.html

One of dozens of examples:

Bob Fitrakis

At Common Dreams and Op-Ed News, Bob Fitrakis (a political science professor and attorney, no less) writes “On Bush and Hitler’s Rhetoric”…

“… When was the last time a Western nation had a leader so obsessed with God and claiming God was on our side?

If you answered Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany, you’re correct … Both Bush and Hitler believe that they were chosen by God to lead their nations…

Like Bush-ites, Hitler was fond of invoking the Ten Commandments as the foundation of Nazi Germany… But if you ever wondered where Bush got his idea for so-called “faith-based initiatives” you need only consult Hitler’s January 30, 1939 speech to the Reichstag …

Thanks for playing!

Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2009 at 5:11 PM

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