Quotes of the day
posted at 10:30 pm on August 5, 2009 by Allahpundit
“At one point, U.S. Rep. Mike Ross sat with his head in his hands while the crowd shouted. He and fellow Democratic Rep. Vic Snyder told audience members at a forum at Arkansas Children’s Hospital that they wouldn’t support a completely government-run, single-payer health insurance plan.
‘But that’s what Obama wants!’ an audience member shouted, leading to more heckling…
‘I’ve said this several times but let me see if I can make it a little more clear,’ Ross said. ‘I don’t represent Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi or President Obama or (House Finance Committee Chairman) Barney Frank. I represent the people of Arkansas and I’m not voting for any bill that forces any one plan on anyone, period.’”
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What is the over/under on Jefferson being the recipient of a Medal of Freedom, er, pardon.
ICBM on August 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM
I just sent the Pelosi clip to the White House snitch program. It seemed pretty “fishy” to me.
kam582 on August 5, 2009 at 11:56 PM
Yes she will.
I see so much potential everywhere I go. When I’m at work, and I look out the window across the street, I see dirty kids loitering around ALL DAY. They do nothing. Their parents do nothing.
I’m so tired of seeing people doing nothing for themselves and with their abilities.
But they are what liberalism hath wrought.
I see PURE POTENTIAL everywhere I go. However, there is no one to spur these people to believe in themselves, to believe in their OWN HANDS.
We are given an amazing mind that can process, calculate, and dream up amazing things. We are given hands to build, to create.
We have so many things from which to bear prosperity for ourselves, yet so many of us refuse to even lift a finger.
We need someone to show Americans to believe in themselves, and believe in their own abilities, so we can prosper, and not rely on the scraps of the governmental gentry
blatantblue on August 5, 2009 at 11:59 PM
omg
did she really assert Swastikas
really.
did she
wow
speechless
seesalrun on August 5, 2009 at 11:59 PM
OMO! She could be a K Street-paid Republican operative sent to say stupid things in order to sabotage Obamacare from within! She is a wrecker. I better send the clip to Flag too just to be safe.
Punchenko on August 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Poor Nancy is confused. Her constituents usually communicate with her via furry costumes and giant puppets.
Where are the giant puppets? How am I supposed to know how to vote if there aren’t any puppets?
bitsy on August 5, 2009 at 11:47 PM
bitsy: Either its a new Liberal Halloween day,or,
there on their way to one of Nancy’s Palomino
masquarade parties!!:)
canopfor on August 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM
But no
For decades, the people have been told by the left that they don’t need to do anything.
That they CAN’T do anything.
blatantblue on August 6, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Coldwarrior:
Teapartyexpress.org starts in Sacramento and ends with a march in Washington DC on 9/12.
califdreamnred on August 6, 2009 at 12:02 AM
I don’t know what’s better
that the dems have control of everything and STILL can’t pass health care,
or the fact that they have no idea insulting their own citizens will LOSE even more support of Americans
battleoflepanto1571 on August 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM
If the dems pass obamacare you will get a bill. From the IRS.
TN Mom on August 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM
First we have Obambi as The Joker.
Now we have Pelosi as Clayface.
The Batman villains are upon us! Wish we had a real-life Caped Crusader that could put these wackos in Arkham Asylum, where they both belong.
To those who remember watching the Batman T.V. series from the 1960′s – I think an equally appropriate villain role for Obambi is False Face.
OneVision on August 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM
I’d love to see Pelosi in Arkham.
blatantblue on August 6, 2009 at 12:05 AM
Oh AnninCA is above actually proving her claims. I’ve yet to see her give any evidence to support any of her claims. I’m still waiting for her proof that these town hall people are just AstroTurf and all manufacture outrage.
Ampersand on August 6, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Nazi Policei ..The woman who said that illegals and their illegal families mooching off US taxpayers are…… PATRIOTS
The same woman who called the CIA ….LIARS
She does have a deep knowledge about our countrymen
macncheez on August 6, 2009 at 12:07 AM
America is broken with this Speaker and President.
FireBlogger on August 6, 2009 at 12:07 AM
“Men in Black”
Makes sense. Most of those liberals do resemble aliens.
Explains that fishy smell, also.
Yoop on August 6, 2009 at 12:08 AM
“So Pelosi’s seeing swastikas? Is she seeing them at the same time as the CIA lies to her, or at some different time?”
Don’t be surprised if a bunch of Acorn types show up with swastikas tomorrow just to validate Her Majesty’s drivel.
crosspatch on August 6, 2009 at 12:08 AM
You may be right. Perhaps she’s foreshadowing an astroturf campaign they’re preparing. If people at these townhall meetings see something like that, how do they respond to it without violence or allowing themselves to be distracted from the real issue?
FloatingRock on August 6, 2009 at 12:09 AM
And I see potential here, in young people like yourself. And for this old man, it’s good to see so many wonderful young people here, in the military, at town hall meetings, at tea parties, and so many places, who truly do love and demonstrate put great American spirit.
So, thank you all very much for giving me hope.
Loxodonta on August 6, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Not to sound too Obarfyish
But there’s always hope
there is always time to turn things around
always
blatantblue on August 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Can I run to you? Are you true to me?
I’ll do unto you as you do to me!
And we slowly learn someone has to burn
Better you than me!
Oh, every Judas once loved a Jesus
But oh betrayal will seize us
And only fools follow golden rules
We all are caught in the middle
Of one long dangerous riddle
Of who trusts who
Maybe I’ll trust you
But can you trust me?
Wait and see!
PercyB on August 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM
young guns like me have good role models like you and others like you, though.
maybe not so much of young guns
maybe water pistols
blatantblue on August 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM
The attitude of Democrats sounds a lot like; “Let them eat cake!”
Star20 on August 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Where or where is the YouTube video of the Arkansas Town Hall?
Sounds like a must-see!
Marcus on August 6, 2009 at 12:15 AM
You guys are killing me. I’m laughing like a lunatic and might be reported.
betsyz on August 6, 2009 at 12:15 AM
I’m still trying to figure out what kind of drug cocktail Pelosi is on. I’m guessing a combo of heavy benzodiazapines and too much synthroid.
forest on August 6, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Yah. I’m pretty sure there was white robed KKK guys, and some child molesters there, and a bunch of crazies got arrested for trying to sneak in assault rifles. At least somebody maybe told me that? Or I heard that? So it’s true…
MarkT on August 6, 2009 at 12:17 AM
AnninCA is an ultra liberal who despises Sarah Palin. Ann is one of thoe women who probably slept\sleeps around a lot with men or women or both. She idolized the Gloria Stienem(sp) of the world, grew up listening to Helen Reddy and was sold the BS that men weren’t needed, that women should be self sufficient etc. She’s probably had a minimum of 3 abortions and therein lies her hatred of Palin. What she was led to believe, that Liberal women were, never came to be and she finds she is bitter (don’t let her non-chalant attituded fool you) whereas a conservative woman like Palin turns out to be just what Liberal women said a woman should be but the differehce is Plain loves God, is unabashedly christian, loves her hot and sexy husband, loves her 5 kids and AnninCA just wants to scream when she sees her…
Ann it’s never too late to change…trust me…we conservative women are very happy…no bitterness for us…
CCRWM on August 6, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Oh, and they were drunk and stoned and the republican party was busing in meth heads.
MarkT on August 6, 2009 at 12:19 AM
You would think at some point Mr. Hope and Change and his most ethical congress ever are going to have to back up some of this rhetoric with facts instead of the usual liberal way of just repeating the same thing over and over and over until their sheep get the message.
Baxter Greene on August 6, 2009 at 12:19 AM
And, what if I state that everything that Obama says is fishy to me, what are my options? Do I alert Mr. Flag?
betsyz on August 6, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Absolutely! A fish festering in the heat of sunlight is definitely fishy!
ProfessorMiao on August 6, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Interesting. I pictured you female.
Maybe that’s because we become more gender-neutral as we age.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Trust me on this..
Vic Snyder will exclusively vote in accordance with the shifting political winds and not out of loyalty to Arkansans or Americans for that matter. Depending on how you look at it, this could be good as being met with audience members who seemed to overwhelmingly show their distaste for this particular piece of legislation, let alone the fact that some (most?) of them have realized that members of congress have not taken the time to read the bill in its entirety in the first place, might persuade Vic Snyder to reevaluate any previous opinions about potentially voting “yes” on this bill.
Then again, if the majority of Arkansans support this bill and the affirmation made by Vic Snyder in support of it subsequently and potentially gets him re-elected, he will vote “yes” (and I suppose I can’t fault him for that – everyone wants to keep their job); however, this is making the assumption that Congressman Snyder will even have someone running against him to begin with but that is another issue altogether…
TightAggressive on August 6, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Yes, a man grows older but his soul remains alive
All those tremulous stars still glitter
And I will survive!
Let my heart grow colder and as bitter as a falcon in the dive
There was a dream, a dying ember
There was a dream, I don’t remember
But I will resurrect that dream
Though rivers stream and hills grow steeper
For here in hell where life gets cheaper
Oh, here in hell the blood runs deeper
And when the final duel is near
I’ll lift my spear and fly
Piercing into the sky and higher
And the strong will thrive
Yes, the weak will cower while the fittest will survive
If we wait for the darkest hour
Till we spring alive
Then with claws of fire, we will devour like a falcon in the dive
PercyB on August 6, 2009 at 12:31 AM
It must be the spectacles worn just so.
Saltysam on August 6, 2009 at 12:31 AM
I got in to a mini discussion with her one time. She’s got a bug up her behind when it comes to doctors, period. We are thieves and cheats. I don’t know about how she feels about Palin but I could smell a nasty past divorce with DrinCA two thousand miles away.
Marcus on August 6, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Thanks for the heads-up! I will totally be there.
salmonczar on August 6, 2009 at 12:31 AM
In the words of Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto following the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor:
Hey Pelosi– FEE FI FO FUM
alohapundit on August 6, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Nancy, why are you flipping your hair like a 15 year old? You are 69, let me say that again, you are a 69 year old grandmother and you are trying to tell us you are somebody else.
Stop it!
Harpoon on August 6, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Develop the strength of a man,
but live as gently as a woman.
Become a brook and receive all things under heaven.
If you are such a brook
then Virtue will constantly flow into you
and you will become a simple child again.
— Lao Tzu (4th c. BC): Tao Te Ching
Loxodonta on August 6, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Only a smart, well-informed liberal like Whoopi could know that there are ‘unanswered questions’ about the Apollo moon landings….
ProfessorMiao on August 6, 2009 at 12:40 AM
You should have seen her in action on the Palin threads when she got in at the last registration…apparently not wanting to abort children makes Anninca incapable of ever voting for her..All it took was for Palin to be pro life instead of pro abortion…
CCRWM on August 6, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Extraordinarily beautiful, at a moment when I need some beauty. Thank you, Loxodonta.
ProfessorMiao on August 6, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Updated for clarity.
At minimum, it’s probably a good idea to make sure allegations of astroturfing are caught on video, along with ridicule of the offender. A video interview of the astroturfer may be helpful as well, to try and catch them flubbing their lines while attempting to sound conservative. That way if the state run media edits out all criticism of the astroturfer, which they will of course, at least the record can be corrected elsewhere.
FloatingRock on August 6, 2009 at 12:41 AM
The guy promises to not vote for a bill that forces any one plan on anyone. But that’s their out. Like Obama said in 2007, they start with a public option, but like Medicare it quickly becomes the only game in town as they force out the private insurers. So this guy can say with his straight face that it doesn’t force people into their plan, but it will. Don’t let them get away with this garbage.
Christian Conservative on August 6, 2009 at 12:42 AM
I think Pelosi has gone crazy..literally..it scares me that her fellow Dems haven’t noticed!
CCRWM on August 6, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Honore: We met at nine.
Mamita: We met at eight.
Honore: I was on time.
Mamita: No, you were late.
Honore: Ah, yes, I remember it well.
Honore: We dined with friends.
Mamita: We dined alone.
Honore: A tenor sang.
Mamita: A baritone.
Honore: Ah, yes, I remember it well.
Honore: That dazzling April moon!
Mamita: There was none that night.
Mamita: And the month was June.
Honore: That’s right. That’s right.
Mamita: It warms my heart to know that you
remember still the way you do.
Honore: Ah, yes, I remember it well.
Loxodonta on August 6, 2009 at 12:44 AM
You would think the state run media would realize the folly of sticking a microphone in Pelosi’s face by now.
Keep telling it like it is, Nancy! LOL!
David2.0 on August 6, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Nancy dear, your problem is you have no historical knowledge at all, and you assume that the rest of America is as stupid as you are.
Sorry toots…
Since when is demanding that individual freedom remain off limits to the federal government Nazism?
Since when is shutting down citizen dissent with intimidation and smears by a government trying to ram national socialism through Congress under darkness of night with lightening speed anything but?
You just shoved your granny heels in your mouth. Instead of trying to pull them out, try leaving them in there this time.
Saltysam on August 6, 2009 at 12:46 AM
You’re most welcome. What a wonderful country to have all the world at our fingertips and be able to live in freedom.
And we can even petition our government, if Barry and Nancy let us.
Loxodonta on August 6, 2009 at 12:46 AM
OK, so this group doesn’t appreciate the click-it deal about Whoopie.
I think you’re missing it, but I just suggested you check it out.
The rest?
All the snark stuff and ridiculous pseudo-therapy stuff?
That’s on you.
I just got a kick out of Whoopi’s take.
BTW, I agree. Palin is absolutely no dummy.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Are you sure? Because I can see two results: 1). I have done my patriotic duty by turning in the scum, neo-Nazi,
Communist/Marxist (take your pick, hardly any difference) president that now presides, or, 2). Black-listed forever- more on a nightmarish IRS-hounding hit-list, where bank accounts are fast frozen and every move I make is GPS’d.
Like I’m paranoid or something….Give me a break.
I DO come from the generation that picked up the phone and got the Time-O-Day recording and thought it a novelty, very
inventively computerized. So, that makes me somewhat, not somewhat, but very, very apprehensive about the attitude that everything must be publicized. It’ll bite you in the ass, everytime.
betsyz on August 6, 2009 at 12:47 AM
She’s no astrophysicist either.
David2.0 on August 6, 2009 at 12:47 AM
They don’t realize. They fictionalize.
Saltysam on August 6, 2009 at 12:50 AM
FIFY, cuz there ain’t nothin’ grand about that skazwag.
TMK on August 6, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Petitioning the government isn’t patriotic.
jazz_piano on August 6, 2009 at 12:52 AM
We need is a Czar of Petitions.
Saltysam on August 6, 2009 at 12:54 AM
There’s a danger in snark, and it’s that it lends the air of agreement.
However, when really faced with decisionmaking?
That agreement disappates.
That is what I see here.
I can’t see that such hardened types could ever agree, except on whom they currently “hate.”
That’s also why this type of thinking will not prevail among normal voters.
We’re looking for what works. Not hate.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 12:54 AM
dissapates. Sorry.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 12:55 AM
Let’s not allow this bitchy woman control OUR America- Freedom and Liberty~. no mercy and no retreating.
We will once and for all shut down this libtards progressive controlling agenda….in case you libtards have hard time hearing us, I will say it again. Less Govt.& Less Taxes is the only phrase that should be riding the air waves.
God Bless our Armed Forces who are off fighting a battle to save Freedom and Liberty!
hawkman on August 6, 2009 at 12:56 AM
It’s dissipates.
jazz_piano on August 6, 2009 at 12:56 AM
Hmmm*…..still not right
Oh well. Neither spelling looks right.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 12:57 AM
See my post above.
jazz_piano on August 6, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Thank you, jazz..
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 12:58 AM
You’re welcome.
jazz_piano on August 6, 2009 at 12:58 AM
No. It’s smells very fishy. Doesn’t it?
Mein Führer! I can walk!
Loxodonta on August 6, 2009 at 1:00 AM
We should start calling the “Blue Dogs” the “Blue Balls” because they are getting no love.
RedSoxNation on August 6, 2009 at 1:02 AM
There are ‘unanswered questions’ about the Apollo moon landings…. Such as what manner of strange things the astronauts may or may not have seen when they were there that the public has not been made aware of. Have you ever heard any of the astronauts talking publicly about having seen me there? I didn’t think so. I rest my case.
Cheshire Cat on August 6, 2009 at 1:02 AM
Since it’s slow on HA tonight . . .
Does anyone know if it’s legal to discuss, or lobby for, peaceful secession?
jazz_piano on August 6, 2009 at 1:04 AM
and that is exactly what got your party votes…hatred of Bush, and exactly why the support is dropping like a rock.
Fighton03 on August 6, 2009 at 1:04 AM
She’s only mad at Nazis because Josef Mengele horribly botched her facelift.
TexasJew on August 6, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Anyway, I’ve now blogged on both sides.
I think that there is no meeting ground. It’s like Viet Nam.
Just no point in even attempting resolution.
We’re on the path of cultural destruction.
And that’s that.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 1:08 AM
And then only if you stand on one leg and one arm and the moon is full green with all 8 of your great grandparents cosigning your petition.
Cheshire Cat on August 6, 2009 at 1:08 AM
My personal choice?
Sit back and watch the implosion.
It’s beyond discussion, repair, or any reasonable solution.
It just is going to implode or explode, like other incidents in my own lifetime.
But I personally will not engage in it emotionally, regardless.
It just will be what it will be.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Do you mean these?
Loxodonta on August 6, 2009 at 1:12 AM
omg
Cold Warrior, someone Allah help me
DID SHE REALLY say Swastikas?
seesalrun on August 6, 2009 at 1:13 AM
And then, we’ll see if this grand experiment survives, really.
I would love to live long enough to see if any real unity emerges.
But maybe that’s the stuff of WWII. Survival.
Right now? I don’t see a hint of unity.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 1:15 AM
I envision this wheel of fortune thingy. Take your pick on who is more “fishy”…Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Axelrod, Soros,
Alinsky, Frank, Franken, “dead-fish” Emanuel, Mrs. O., CNN,
MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, Gibbs, Matthews, Obermann, all news affliates of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, (check out your local news
stations and newspapers, and to whom they get their revenues and sources, you’ll be shocked.)
betsyz on August 6, 2009 at 1:15 AM
I find that people who lecture on hate in the third person are comfortable playing the deceiver.
Saltysam on August 6, 2009 at 1:16 AM
LOL!
To: Leftist vermin
From: El Duende
Dear vermin,
As an anti leftist Patriot, with years dedicated to the utter destruction of socialism in all its forms, I implore you all to continue your current Fabianist course of action. Some of us are onto your incrementalism.
Please continue to stifle dissent. Please continue to demonize the American people. Please ignore the multiple public opinion polls showing the unpopularity of your socialist agenda. Please ignore the fact that this nation is a center right nation and your ideology is a guest here. By all means, please force this Marxist takeover of our healthcare on us. Attack, marginalize, attack, ridicule, attack, please step it up.
By doing so you will make visible for the nation what I have always known about you; that you are totalitarian power hungry cowards using an incrementalist strategy, that can’t stand resistance, to destroy us.
Therefore, I will kindly appreciate if you finish de-legitimizing your Fabianist government and ideology so we can take this to the next level. You all have a date with destiny and we wouldn’t want you to miss it.
In the meantime, I appreciate your arrogance, hubris, and sanctimony because it makes my job of impugning and discrediting you easier.
Fuk u and your Fabianist ideology very much,
El Duende.
P.S. After so many years of living through and watching the predations of Marxism in Latin America I was chagrined to find so many of your adherents in the US, but its ok I’m now giddy with anticipation of whats to come. :-)
elduende on August 6, 2009 at 1:16 AM
My personal choice?
Sit back and watch the implosion.
It’s beyond discussion, repair, or any reasonable solution.
It just is going to implode or explode, like other incidents in my own lifetime.
But I personally will not engage in it emotionally, regardless.
It just will be what it will be.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 1:11 AM
seesalrun on August 6, 2009 at 1:17 AM
To be fair, one of the signs in the ad did have German SS’s on it. So she has seen the ad and loved it!
Pole-Cat on August 6, 2009 at 1:18 AM
My personal take is to always err on the side of unity. That’s probably the old-style liberal in me.
But in any event, I wish only one thing. People should feel and enjoy this process. It is definitely messy, but I can’t believe it’s any messier than most government structures.
We’re quarreling over such silly stuff, in my mind.
It’s not close to being the same as what’s going on in other parts of the world.
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 1:19 AM
Pelosi’s bubbleheadedness illustrated.
Bruce in NH on August 6, 2009 at 1:19 AM
And with those final and naive, no doubt, thoughts, I bid you all good-night.
Be good to yourselves and to those you love and hold dear.
:)
AnninCA on August 6, 2009 at 1:20 AM
careful….THEY’ll hear you! lol
Fighton03 on August 6, 2009 at 1:21 AM
I envision this wheel of fortune thingy. Take your pick on who is more “fishy”…Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Axelrod, Soros,
Alinsky, Frank, Franken, “dead-fish” Emanuel, Mrs. O., CNN,
MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, Gibbs, Matthews, Obermann, all news affliates of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, (check out your local news
stations and newspapers, and to whom they get their revenues and sources, you’ll be shocked.)
betsyz on August 6, 2009 at 1:15 AM
seesalrun on August 6, 2009 at 1:22 AM
You seem to have a beautiful mind, so reflect upon that.
You also have a wonderful way with words, so I wish you would post here more frequently. I have not quite placed you yet on the political spectrum, but even if we disagree about many things, it’s good to read someone expressing an honest opinion and doing it well. More, please. Thank you.
Loxodonta on August 6, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Facts and proof to back up your liberal rhetoric Nancy,
That’s what we need.
Your opinions and unsubstantiated visions mean nothing.
Here is good examples of controlling the message through paid political operatives:
Obama Town Hall Questioners Were Campaign Backers
Updated 7:02 p.m.
By Garance Franke-Ruta
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/03/27/obama_town_hall_questioners_we.html?hpid=topnews
These people were pretty well dressed to…somebody get
Senator Boxer on the phone.
Obama White House coordinating 527 attacks on GOP?
posted at 11:34 am on February 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/11/obama-white-house-coordinating-527-attacks-on-gop/
I don’t remember hearing Nancy,Boxer,and their liberal sheep complaining about how Obama is controlling the message and the media like a dictator.
You know….like they accused Bush of doing during all of those
happy-go-lucky press conferencesinquisitions he had to go through on a weekly basis.
Obama administration co-opting media analysts
posted at 10:10 am on January 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
More message control, more selective silence from the media.
Rahmbo’s Echo Chamber
Filed under: General — Karl @ 6:36 am
[Posted by Karl]
http://patterico.com/2009/04/10/rahmbos-echo-chamber/
The examples of White House coordination with the media and special interest groups is endless.
The idiocy and hypocrisy coming from tools like Pelosi and others from the Obama administration complaining about “coordination” just sets a new level of stupidity and cluelessness that seems to be exceeded by the “smart ones” everyday.
Baxter Greene on August 6, 2009 at 1:23 AM
may I add the MSM doomed to total reconstruction after one by one a personal apology to every citizen of AMERICA.
ok, that fortune may not be forthcoming but one can wish.
I would add on their knees, begging preferably.
seesalrun on August 6, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Hey, I’m in favor of the public option too, but only under these conditions:
1. It has to be completely funded by taxes or premiums paid by the beneficiaries. Absolutely no funding from other sources. It can’t be supplemented by the general fund and there can be no accounting tricks to make it appear to be self-sufficient when in fact, it is not. The people who choose the public option are the only ones responsible for paying for it.
2. It can’t be run at a deficit. It has to be completely self sufficient. If the expenditures exceed the costs, then the beneficiaries will have to be taxed at a higher rate to make up the difference. If they don’t like that, tough. They have their insurance and I have mine. But heh, if the government is so efficient and can really cut costs, that shouldn’t be a problem, should it?
Now, it seems to me that people who favor a public option should not have any problem with those two conditions. After all, that’s what competition is, isn’t it? And it wouldn’t be fair competition if private insurance had to be economically sound but public “insurance” could operate at a deficit or receive revenue from other sources.
I suspect though that proponents of the public option would not agree to those two conditions – or they would tacitly agree with every intention of violating them later. Which would prove that all of that talk about providing competition with private insurance is just a lot of … Hot Air.
PackerBronco on August 6, 2009 at 1:26 AM
Why????? If everyone is thinking the same, then someone isn’t thinking!
Unity? Geez, that’s not old style liberal, that’s new style socialist. Old school liberal is all about the individual. It’s about minimal government and maximum liberty..to succeed OR fail.
Fighton03 on August 6, 2009 at 1:26 AM
I might actually drop my opposition if it was run like the post office. All funding derived from users. But of course even the post office is coming up for general fund support these days because it can’t compete.
Fighton03 on August 6, 2009 at 1:28 AM
Even worse, they are led to believe that *someone* is keeping them from doing something.
LBJ’s Great Society was the cruelest joke ever played on the poor…
jana on August 6, 2009 at 1:28 AM
As an old-style liberal, my take is to always err on the side of individual liberty as it is embodied in the Constitution.
Unity? How’d that work out for the People’s Temple?
Saltysam on August 6, 2009 at 1:29 AM
seesalrun on August 6, 2009 at 1:33 AM
Not so good. But then, there’s always the Soviet and PRC models to follow.
I also want to say how much I appreciate your posting here. You are a very smart man. Thanks.
Loxodonta on August 6, 2009 at 1:37 AM
I think you have to look at AnninCa as some sort of hybrid.
She is certainly intelligent, although her compass (I hate this word, as in Obama has used it, so often, which sent the Obarfo meter into the purple zone). Yet, she is hell-bent and focused on this government healthcare program. Her personal fixation has sent up red-flags, all the way around.
Why, why, why is this impossible program sooooo personally important to her?? This is what gets me. She’ll only do this
overload of input when the Obamacare is the topic. So, in my mind, she is selfish and unreasonable. Doesn’t care one iota
what amount of monetary damage and burden that will envelope the rest of America.
betsyz on August 6, 2009 at 1:37 AM
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