Cap-and-trade dead now, too?

posted at 4:07 pm on August 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Last week, word leaked out of the Beltway that Card Check would get punted from the 2009 calendar because of the difficulties Democrats had encountered on health-care reform and energy policy.  Now Politico reports that cap-and-trade will be off the agenda as well.   The arm-twisting required for ObamaCare means that the White House will have no political capital for any other fights that could split the party:

With the fight over health care reform absorbing all the bandwidth on Capitol Hill, Democrats fear a major climate change bill may be left on the cutting-room floor this year.

A handful of key senators on climate change are almost guaranteed to be tied up well into the fall on health care. Democrats from the Midwest and the South are resistant to a cap-and-trade proposal. And few if any Republicans are jumping in to help push a global warming and energy initiative.

As a result, many Democrats fear the lack of political will and the congressional calendar will conspire to punt climate change into next year.

“The reality is [the health reform bill] is going to happen before cap and trade,” said House Agriculture Committee Chairman Rep. Collin Peterson, who’s been working with farm-state senators on the climate legislation. “Who knows if it will ever come out of the Senate?”

Who, indeed?  In fact, cap-and-trade is a bigger political problem than health-care reform.  A handful of Republican Senators would like to help craft a health-care reform package that doesn’t result in government crowding out private insurance, and it presents no particular regional political issues.  Despite this, Democrats remain at odds with each other as Obama and his allies press for radical changes that have little support back home.

On cap-and-trade, Rust Belt Democrats will have a hard time supporting the demolition of their economies back home while trying to keep their seats.  Robert Byrd has already announced his opposition, and more will follow suit once this comes to the floor.  The Obama administration will have to fight Democrats again to get this passed, and with health-care reform an already massively expensive proposition, they may not have the stomach for a loss.

That means, for all practical purposes, it won’t get considered at all.  No one will want to propose the kind of fee increases a cap-and-trade system means in an election year.  By 2011, Republicans will have made gains in the House and Senate, thanks to a series of overreaches and failures from Obama and Congressional leadership, and Democrats won’t have the votes to move them.  If they don’t get back on the 2009 agenda, they’re likely dead.


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Push all the libs into the sea. Don’t stop – don’t let them catch a breath.
Fight, Fight, Fight!!!! Record your townhalls!!! Show them what a well dressed mob can do!!!!

izoneguy on August 5, 2009 at 4:58 PM

You have to wonder when the state-run media are finally going to crack and start telling the truth about what a colossal f***up this President is turning out to be. He blew all of his promises for transparency and kicking out the lobbyists before nightfall of his Inauguration Day, he punted his economic program to Nancy Pelosi and it is failing, his health care initiative is in deep kimchi, and now his major climate change bill is dead.

rockmom on August 5, 2009 at 4:56 PM

When hell freezes over.

Inside the “hallowed” halls of the State Run Media the Kool Aid is forever, and Obama will never lose the “glow”.

wildcat84 on August 5, 2009 at 5:00 PM

By 2011, Republicans will have made gains in the House and Senate, thanks to a series of overreaches and failures from Obama and Congressional leadership,

probably. but probably not big ones. I agree with the post generally, but I’m skeptical republican gains, esp. in the senate, will be more than marginal. if any.

and assuming, of course, we’re allowed to have elections in 2010.

jdub on August 5, 2009 at 5:01 PM

This whole post seems kind of, what’s the word, fishy.

Ted Torgerson on August 5, 2009 at 5:05 PM

If he can’t get healthcare done, or cap and trade, or card check. What next for the relentless campaigner? All he has to look forward to is economic data going from bad to worse. What will the naked emperor do?

Theworldisnotenough on August 5, 2009 at 5:09 PM

We need to use this time to clean out our own junk drawer on the right. Who cares if we beat the Dems in ’10 if all we do is replace them with RINO’s?

teffertoes on August 5, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Hit them harder. Hit them faster. But most of all, keep hitting them!

Enoxo on August 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

+1. Keep up the pressure. Just don’t wear your Brooks Bros. suit while doing so.

Christian Conservative on August 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Yeah, because sh!t splatters!

CurtZHP on August 5, 2009 at 5:14 PM

“The reality is [the health reform bill] is going to happen before cap and trade,” said House Agriculture Committee Chairman Rep. Collin Peterson, who’s been working with farm-state senators on the climate legislation. “Who knows if it will ever come out of the Senate?”

The farm-state Senators could be a serious problem, if they are bribed with corn-ethanol or biofuel subsidies, even though corn ethanol INCREASES CO2 emissions (for the same energy yield, ethanol produces about as much CO2 as gasoline, plus the CO2 from the fuel required to grow the corn). The saving grace might be that many farm states also rely heavily on coal for electricity, and “crap and raid” would drive power costs up for everyone, not just farmers.

Another major problem is that cap&trade already passed the House, so that Democrats might be tempted to force the bill through the Senate with only 50 votes using “reconciliation”. Senator Robert Byrd’s opposition could be critical in such a case, since he wrote the rules on reconciliation, and would be a stickler to enforce the rules to prevent a bill he opposes from being forced through over his objection.

Even if the health-care debacle has members of both houses of Congress distracted from cap&trade, we can’t let our guard down yet. We need to keep up the pressure on coal-state Democrats to not let them trash their state economies to “prevent” some tiny illusory future warming, and take advantage of this unusually cool summer to tell them that Nature can handle things just fine, without our help.

As for potential Republican gains in 2010, there is a better chance of re-taking the House (where all members are up for re-election) than for a 10-seat gain in the Senate, where only a third are up for re-election, plus some special elections in NY, IL, and DE. The Blue Dogs in the House are still worried about voting the wrong way on ObamaCare, but the deed is done on cap&trade, where the Senate will be decisive, and some Senators still have 3 or 5 years left in their terms.

Steve Z on August 5, 2009 at 5:15 PM

On Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare, I agree with Rush.

I hope he fails.

Steve Z on August 5, 2009 at 5:17 PM

If they don’t get back on the 2009 agenda, they’re likely dead.

From your mouth to God’s ears.

Rosmerta on August 5, 2009 at 5:22 PM

I am enjoying this.

Daemonocracy on August 5, 2009 at 5:22 PM

The GOP can retake the House in 2010 if they find a Gingrich to put together a 21st Century “Contract”. There certainly are enough hot points for that–taxes, tax cheat congressman, healthcare coverage, stimulus, deficit, etc.

But none look like they have the courage to deal with the inevitable personal destruction that would follow. The state media would destroy that person completely.

I wish it were time to start destroying the personal lives of the state run media and their leaders.

iconoclast on August 5, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Theworldisnotenough on August 5, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Right – I forgot to even mention Card Check, which doesn’t even have a pulse right now. His financial regulatory reform plan can’t even get the approval of the existing regulators. And of course, he has dropped any pretense of “change” when it comes to detention of suspected terrorists or warrantless surveillance.

I do believe some of Obama’s drop in the polls is because the hardcore Left is really getting pissed about all of their wish list being so quickly abandoned. Most of the activist Left really didn’t give a crap about health care reform or a gigantic stimulus spending bill. That’s not why they worked their asses off to get Obama elected. They wanted a quick pullout from Iraq, closing Gitmo, Card Check, the Freedom of Choice Act, repeal of bankruptcy reform, and some serious government intervention to help homeowners with subprime mortgages.

rockmom on August 5, 2009 at 5:24 PM

rockmom on August 5, 2009 at 5:24 PM

OT, but Taylor Bean just closed down operations.

Vashta.Nerada on August 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM

I have an eerie feeling that President Obama is going to get his crap together during the recess, mobilize his left wing army and turn the polls around. I won’t be happy until we make it to an election cycle.

BadgerHawk on August 5, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Only events can do that and the event that he needs right now is really excellent economic news. Making more speeches isn’t going to help him one iota. He’s overexposed himself and with each new appearance any bump he gets is smaller and smaller.

PackerBronco on August 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Knock on wood. Which we shouldn’t have because it destroys the evironment.

Jim Treacher on August 5, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Cap-and-trade dead now, too?

Nothing will ever be dead until the democrats are out of power. Come to think of it, nothing will ever be dead until the democrat party either purges it’s progressives and communists or dissolves.

darwin on August 5, 2009 at 5:46 PM

One of the truly sweet things about this is all those Democrats that had there arms twisted so hard to go along with it are now hung out to dry on a bad vote they didn’t have to make…. all those campaign ads “pre-made” that can be used against them for zip…. zero… nada. I think this will only serve to place them in an even more sour mood on supporting nationalized health care.

CC

CapedConservative on August 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

We don’t need a majority to prevail, we simply need an irate and tireless minority, keen on lighting brushfires in the minds of men.

Go light some fires.

–Samuel Adams

ted c on August 5, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Cap and Trade is NOT DEAD–

This is the “old way” of doing things. It goes like this–get a cheap political victory, then rest on laurels.

No way, no how folks. Cap and Trade and Obamacare need to be smashed, disassembled, investigated, reported and followed all the way back to the keyboard from whence they were spawned. The guy who authored these things needs to be questioned, tried for treason then run out of town. Then his keyboard needs to be destroyed and files deleted. Then, any class or committee that he or she once sat on needs to be disassembled and these ideas must be followed back down to the end of the dark hole where they crawled from. If, and only IF, you can convince us that this apparatus is in complete disarray–only THEN–you could convince us that this was dead.

Start your march, sharpen your knife and pursue this with the ruthlessness of a Marine clearing a house.

Take it apart–congressman by congressman, district by district and line by line, tear it apart.

ted c on August 5, 2009 at 6:12 PM

I actually support reform of health-insurance regulation to a degree, though I certainly do not support a Federal takeover of the business.

But as far as I’m concerned opposing carbon regulation in any form is a litmus-test issue. These people have to be stopped.

JEM on August 5, 2009 at 6:12 PM

If all of Barry’s grand plans fail there will be hell to pay in the future. Expect a furious narcissist to lash out in anger and extract some mob-like payback. Some will have to swim with the fishes.

Ok… that does sound kind of fishy, doesn’t it.

Sigh… I’ll mail myself to the snitch czar.

Yoop on August 5, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Resistance Is Utile!

Do not stop until you see the whites of their asses!

EMD on August 5, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Card Check is dead. With the provision for throwing out the secret ballot gone, the unions won’t be brought off with the rest of the legislation. So there’s no gain for the Democrats to push it. With the elections coming up, few Democrats are stupid enough to vote for Crap and Tax just before facing the public. That’s 2 policy initiatives shot down. The third nail will be health care via government control.

GarandFan on August 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM

If he can’t get healthcare done, or cap and trade, or card check. What next for the relentless campaigner? All he has to look forward to is economic data going from bad to worse. What will the naked emperor do?

Theworldisnotenough on August 5, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Amnesty for the illegal invaders of course.

Paul the American on August 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM

O ver-reached
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M ajority
A pproval

profitsbeard on August 5, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Hit them harder. Hit them faster. But most of all, keep hitting them!

Enoxo on August 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

With all due respect to general Patton:

I don’t want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We’re not holding anything, we’ll let the donkey’s do that. We are advancing constantly, and we’re not interested in holding onto anything except them. We’re going to hold onto them by the nose, and we’re going to kick them in the ass. We’re going to kick the hell out of them all the time, and we’re going to go through them like crap through a goose.

By god I almost pity those poor sons-a-bitches!

Fighton03 on August 5, 2009 at 8:13 PM

I worry most about cap and trade because some very big people, i.e. Al Gore and his cronies, and some very big corporations, GE prominent among them, have invested huge amounts of money in “green” energy. They’ll never get the huge profits they’re expecting without cap and trade being passed.
O’Reilly is on Immelt’s case again. Seems GE has been fined 50M for fraud at the same time they received over 150B in bailout money. And Immelt sits on Obama’s Economic Advisory Council. Where’s the outrage from the MSM? Oh, that’s right, Immelt is the MSM.

oldoldbabs on August 5, 2009 at 9:35 PM

darwin: I hear you! This administration came to power in part due to the malaise of the electorate, and they will exploit it in the future, too, if they sense the chance.

Cap’n: in writing about the prospects of the 112th Congress, you count too many chickens that haven’t been laid yet, much less hatched. There’s only one party around that could screw up an opportunity like this. . .and that, unfortunately, is today’s GOP. Maybe somebody/some organization will come along to help us to the light, but for now you’d be a fool to bet on significant changes in the midterms. This activism today is driven by issues, not by party. The GOP assumes this will benefit only them at their peril.

And don’t forget: the cards are stacked against the GOP in a manner that other mid-terms didn’t have for the out-of-power party, which is the fact that flat-out voter fraud and voter disenfranchisement activities have essentially been approved by this administration.

“To win, you need not be better. . .just willing to do that which your opponent will not” Conservatives’ electoral opponents clearly don’t mind undermining the foundation of democracy to get/hold their power. A GOP candidate will have to hold an overwhelming popularity in the congressional district in order to win any election. . .until such time that someone is able to get ACORN put in their place

johnny alpha on August 5, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Bless every single poster yelling encouragement.

We are making more and more people see the man, and not the myth. He and his movement are frauds, built on houses of cards. Keep pushing! Keep fighting!

thebrokenrattle on August 5, 2009 at 10:11 PM

I’m skeptical. Isn’t The One meeting with a few senators over the health care plan (of which the amended form is still under wraps?)…?

What if this is settled before we even realize it and they do the same with Cap and Tax in the interim…that means they can come back and vote on both measures immediately.

I’m not sure what the passion index is of the populace over cap and tax, but if it’s anywhere near like it is over ObamaCare they (the Dems) would be wise to not want to go through all of this stuff again.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 5, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Every time I think of the Press covering for Obama it reminds me of Bush’s quote : “The soft bigotry of low expectations”

Can the expectations of the Press get any lower?

sirpatrick on August 6, 2009 at 7:08 AM

If they don’t get back on the 2009 agenda, they’re likely dead.

From your mouth to God’s ears.
Rosmerta on August 5, 2009

If that’s a prayer, I join you in it.

SKYFOX on August 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM

By 2011, Republicans Conservatives will have made gains in the House and Senate

FIFY.

The Republicans lost me last election. Let them die as a party.

Principles before party!

dominigan on August 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Hopefully most a majority of the Democrats will seal their political doom with their attempts to pass both of these craptastic peices of legislation and be voted out of office in the 2010 elections.

TrickyDick on August 6, 2009 at 1:26 PM

FYI, Ed, this post made Benny Peiser’s CCNet e-letter, a good source of news on the ‘climate change’ front. I didn’t see it because I’ve been spending most of my Internet time over on WattsUpWithThat (many fascinating developments).

But FWIW, I think it’s too soon to pat ourselves on the back. The Dems want socialized medicine very badly, and these so-called ‘health reform’ bills are considered an essential step. And Obama and his eco-fascist ‘science’ advisor desperately don’t want to go to Copenhagen in December without a ‘climate change’ bill. They have a lot of ‘stimulus’ money lying around to buy off recalcitrant Democrats (and even some Republicans?).

Keep the eggs warm, or our chickens may never hatch.

MrLynn on August 10, 2009 at 8:54 AM

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