Yet another Democrat: Who has time to read these bills?

posted at 12:46 pm on August 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

After Rep. John Conyers attempted to laugh at those who insisted he do the job to which he was elected, Rep. Paul Hodes (D-NH) tried a more sympathetic approach with the Nashua Telegraph.  How can people expect their elected representatives in the House and Senate to read the bills before voting on them?  Do constituents have any appreciation for their workload?

Democratic Rep. Paul Hodes (NH-02) believes reading every bill in Congress “would slow down the business of Congress to a crawl and it would be hard to get done what needs to be done.”

Members of Congress who don’t read the bills they are voting on “is not necessarily the major problem with the way Congress functions,” he said. …

“Hodes said it’s not realistic to expect members of Congress to read every bill word-for-word, as Congress took more than 2,000 votes in the session that ended in December,” the paper reports.

This year, Hodes voted in support of President Barack Obama’s stimulus package and for so-called cap-and-trade legislation. Both measures were finalized late in the legislative process and rushed to a vote before any individual member could read the bills.

First, most of those bills are proclamations and minor legislation renaming post offices and the like, not serious lawmaking.  Even apart from that, does Hodes really want to issue a cri de coeur over the hard life of a Representative — on the first day of his six-week vacation?  How many people get paid $174,000 per year for working four-day weeks for about two-thirds of a year?  I’m certain his constituents will feel his pain, especially those having to work overtime to make ends meet or those who can’t get a job at all in this economy.

Hodes answers his own question in this response.  Congress passes too much legislation that intrudes on people’s lives too much as it is, and the rush to vote on bills without having read them contributes to that trend.  Requiring the elected officials to actually represent their constituents by reading the legislation would have the salutary effect of slowing down the legislative process and limit the damage each Congress could do to life, liberty, and property while in session.  Any other process negates the representative democracy this republic uses to govern itself, and transforms it into a staffocracy run by partisan leadership.

In the picture for this post, Hodes tries to look hip by playing guitar at one of his appearances.  I recall a story about Van Halen, who took some criticism for a clause in its appearance contracts that demanded bowls of M&Ms for their dressing rooms — with all of the brown M&Ms removed.  The band explained that it wasn’t an imperial indulgence, but instead a key indicator to them whether the venue had bothered to read and comply with the contract.  Their stage shows are very complicated and require a lot of logistical support, and their early-warning system that the venue hadn’t prepared for their show was those brown M&Ms in the bowls.

Maybe we could try that with Congress, as long as Democrats remain in charge.


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Oh snap!

lorien1973 on August 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Cash for Clunkers…..true stimulus. A skate park in Flordia? A stupid earmark and a waste of valuable money.

That’s what people are ticked about…the waste.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

What was stimulated in C4C? Answer: Nothing. Read the stats. But is was a waste of perfectly good cars, and a transfer of more wealth. Dumba$$.

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 4, 2009 at 1:42 PM

How do you know? DOT won’t release data.

The info is coming in. Just my buddy…he hasn’t sold enough to live on in months. He’s made 11 sales so far with the program.

He sells Fords and something else, I forget.

He works for a big dealer out here. I presume they know what they are doing with this program and that their sales will go through OK.

I think the program is overly complex and agree with a lot of the criticisms about this. The roll-out has definitely been messy and underscores what I’ve always thought about government programs. Work the bugs out. Then roll out.

But, he is smiling, and I’m glad for him.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 4, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Ann must be proud to be paying for someone else’s new car.

lorien1973 on August 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Ann, you’re still a moron (or an obvious plant by AP).

All that program does is take available credit from the system that could have gone towards business investment and puts it in comsumption, AND destroys a perfectly good car that could have been donated to charity.

It is WASTE, pure and simple.

That car could have been used to drive you to Oregon for that special operation.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 1:44 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

It’d be far more efficient if you wrote him a check for $49,500. Cuz that’s what this program made you do.

Now are you happy?

lorien1973 on August 4, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Pardon me if I offer the advice of a mere proletariat serf, daring to criticize our royal leaders, but what is, perchance, you didn’t make thousand-f***ing-page bills to begin with?

I’ve taken law classes. The better grades were given to the students who managed to be as succinct as possible, without overlooking necessary clauses. Perhaps my professors were insane in that regard, but then, common sense seems to be the mark of the madman in this day and age.

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2009 at 1:45 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Also, read up on the broken window fallacy. It might help.

Only an idiot would say that a program that put people in debt while also costing tax payers $4,500, successful.

lorien1973 on August 4, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Cash for Clunkers…..true stimulus.
AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Ann you do a find job describing your emotions and reciting the latest polling data but you should never never post an opinion about economics. You are truly out of you league in that department. Rarely I have read someone on HA who is so totally ignorant and totally unaware of it.

Cash for clunkers is a government boondoogle. It removes tangible material assets from the economy and in the process hurts the poor who are the biggest market for these “clunkers”. If one applied to the same kind of thinking to the unemployment problem, one would line up all of the employed people and shoot every fourth one, thus freeing up jobs and “stimulating” the economy.

PackerBronco on August 4, 2009 at 1:46 PM

PackerBronco on August 4, 2009 at 1:46 PM

She’s aware. She just doesn’t care.

lorien1973 on August 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Also, read up on the broken window fallacy. It might help.

Only an idiot would say that a program that put people in debt while also costing tax payers $4,500, successful.

lorien1973 on August 4, 2009 at 1:46 PM

I would also like to know what the repo rate is one year from now.

ICBM on August 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM

ICBM on August 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Barney Frank will submit legislation stopping repos.

lorien1973 on August 4, 2009 at 1:48 PM

He thinks some good cars are being destroyed, too. He was mostly complaining that he was afraid some classics would go.

I really am not suggesting the program is great or anything, folks. It simply was a true stimulus program that worked. That’s all.

It may not jumpstart anything, but at least a few salesguys are smiling this week.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Democratic Rep. Paul Hodes (NH-02) believes reading every bill in Congress “would slow down the business of Congress to a crawl and it would be hard to get done what needs to be done.”

Whatever it takes to slow you down from stealing our God-Given Liberty you tottering fool.

Branch Rickey on August 4, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Barney Frank will submit legislation stopping repos.

lorien1973 on August 4, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Will he be upfront about it, or try to sneak it through the back-door?

ICBM on August 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

So, its OK that the Government, is using My and my Childrens MONEY, to buy cars for other people?

You do realize that all this money comes from somewhere?

And in fact, this is adding to the debt, which adds to the interest payment on that debt?

Romeo13 on August 4, 2009 at 1:52 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Great, so your buddy sold a few cars. So what happens when those folks lose their jobs and can not pay for those cars and the get repossessed? Not only did they lose their transportation to look for additional work(which they would still have have if they had kept their old car), they now have more debt to deal with than they did before. That’s the problem with you lefites. You never stop the consider the laws of unintended consequences. You would rather give a man a fish (so they are beholden to you and will do what you want) than teach them to fish so they are not defendant on the state for a handout. Its all about control. You want to control the masses, have them dependent on the government to provide everything, so that they will continue to support your retarded programs like Cash4Clunkers so that your cronies can get even richer. Instead of fixing the problems, your idea is to throw more money that we don’t have into more social programs.

The revolution can not come quick enough for my tastes, either by ballot or bullet, I am ready for either.

Wolftech on August 4, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Will he be upfront about it, or try to sneak it through the back-door?

ICBM on August 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM

I think he prefers the back-door method…

Wolftech on August 4, 2009 at 1:53 PM

If you don’t believe stimulus works, then no stimulus is OK. That’s the approach of total hands-off.
AnninCA on August 4, 2009

A stimulus was definitely needed with the mess we are in. This was less a stimulus and more of a stymie-ulous.

You don’t put MORE regulation on growth and more taxes on the people who create that growth and expect the economy to grow.

What rational thinking American will believe this is a good time to put forth an extremely costly health care proposal when the goverment has already allocated TRILLIONS in spending? This is why many of us think economic ruin is in reality the goal here. For what reason I have no clue but the facts are in bold print for everyone to see.

Now Obama still has the gall to say 95% of Americans will see no tax increase. We will see our taxes raised and our cost of living go through the roof (hyper-inflation is coming soon).

a real stimulus bill would be the opposite of what we have now….less government, easing of regulation, lowering of taxes and fees all around, and in general a championing of private industry, small businesses, and here’s the clincher that gives it all away in the case against The One…..reigning in unions who have crippled competition among American corporations globally for decades.

Unions the way are structured now act like parasitic trial lawyers trying to squeeze every last dollar out the host before it dies off and they move on to the next victim….just the way Obama likes it.

Goodeye_Closed on August 4, 2009 at 1:55 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

For about $5,000 a piece, many cars worth far more, not only in terms of sales price, but in value they could have brought to someone who consequently went into more debt(the new American way, it seems…), were completely destroyed. People drained the oil from their working or easily repairable engines, and revved them until their worth was evaporated. They were then crushed, and will eventually be sold as scrap metal for a pittance, when the parts from them could have repaired someone else’s car at a discount, or it could have been refurbished and sold to someone at a reasonable price, and gotten them to work or school.

Meanwhile, every schmuck who turns in their $5,000-$15,000 car ends up getting $4,500 off the sticker price of a new purchase that puts them at likely a worse position than they were before. The kicker? They could have argued $5,000 off the sticker price without handing over an already serviceable automobile.

This entire operation is a sickening, obscene orgy for those who loathe innovation, and demand that the world live up to their aggravatingly obtuse fantasy world where cars run on rainbows and farts.

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2009 at 1:55 PM

AnninCA…………

Doc Zero wrote a wonderful post regarding C4C:

“Far from being short-sighted, the free market designed a system that generates useful value from automobiles decades after they are manufactured. New cars become “pre-owned” after their original owners decide they want a new vehicle. After the second owner gets finished with them, the cars devolve into “clunkers,” affordable by the young and the poor. Even when a clunker dies, its parts become useful assets in the repair and maintenance market. Every car is an organ donor.”

……….. you should go back and read the article.

Seven Percent Solution on August 4, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Ann please ‘double down’ on your medications. Mother of Pearl I lose IQ everytime my eyes wander into one of your inane posts…

daesleeper on August 4, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Jeez, no kidding. I was horrified earlier to find her “agreeing” with something I posted . . . clearly without actually reading or comprehending any of it.

califcon on August 4, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Pardon me if I offer the advice of a mere proletariat serf, daring to criticize our royal leaders, but what is, perchance, you didn’t make thousand-f***ing-page bills to begin with?

I’ve taken law classes. The better grades were given to the students who managed to be as succinct as possible, without overlooking necessary clauses. Perhaps my professors were insane in that regard, but then, common sense seems to be the mark of the madman in this day and age.

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Shut up and pay your taxes

guntotinglibertarian on August 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM

The revolution can not come quick enough for my tastes, either by ballot or bullet, I am ready for either.

I’m moderate, particularly fiscally.

But I’m curious. With polls showing a shrinking of the GOP to an alarming 28% of the population and states that used to be red turning blue, perhaps permanently, where do you think this revolution will come from?

I have read some positive polls for mid-term elections. It would appear that some Republicans may have a better shot than they thought they would have in 2010.

but your optimism is interesting. Just basing it on hope?

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Democratic Rep. Paul Hodes (NH-02) believes reading every bill in Congress “would slow down the business of Congress to a crawl and it would be hard to get done what needs to be done.”

That’s the idea stupid!

Herb on August 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I am now reading a 1000 page (of fairly small print) paperback (Atlas Shrugged). Now, I’m doing it for fun, and I’m not being paid to read and understand every word on every page, but it is a daunting task to get through that volume. I’m now two weeks into this, and I’ve only read 400 pages. So I understand the complaint of there not being enough time to do all that we ask our Congress to do.

But there is another huge problem with Congressmen not reading 1000 page bills.

It puts them beholden to staffers, both their own, and of their committees, who provide Executive Summaries of the legislation on which they decide upon. Imgagine this scene: The lobbyist walks into the Congressman’s front door, they exchange some pleasantries, talk about the issue in front of them, then the lobbyist hands the Congressman a 200 page proposal, which the Congressman hands off to his staffer, having never read one word. The staffer digests this proposal, and perhaps confers with the staffers of the political leadership, and then writes up a summary for the Congressman to decide upon. Later that day, another lobbyist from another industry walks in and the whole thing starts over again.

That’s the problem: We don’t elect these staffers. They have the ability to influence what their Congressman understands about the matters under discussion. Thousand-page bills, especially when they are presented on terms when “There’s no more time for debate”, require these Congressmen to vote from ignorance. It requires them to stand before us with no more understanding of an issue than what has been given to them in a 2 page Executive Summary (complete with the approved talking points), produced by their staff, who in all likelihood, themselves haven’t had enough time to read the whole thing.

As has already been mentioned, none of us would sign a mortgage or other contract without having read, and understood, every word. I have to wonder how those who defend their votes on legislation they’ve never read can sign any mortgage.

azlibertarian on August 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Every time I look at that picture I have an overwhelming desire to shove that guitar where the sun doesn’t shine.

guntotinglibertarian on August 4, 2009 at 2:00 PM

So, its OK that the Government, is using My and my Childrens MONEY, to buy cars for other people?

Romeo13 on August 4, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Ann doesn’t care, as long as you’re buying her son a car, too. Oh…and health insurance, she needs you to spring for that, too.

Lady Texan on August 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Liberal Senators are on Fox for the…”We’re gonna ram Health Scam down your throats whether you like it or not” pow wow after lunch with the President.

They better be ready for shoes to fly when they go out to speak in the public!!!!

yoda on August 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM

As has already been mentioned, none of us would sign a mortgage or other contract without having read, and understood, every word. I have to wonder how those who defend their votes on legislation they’ve never read can sign any mortgage.

azlibertarian on August 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM

They don’t need to worry about that. They’re Friends of Angelo.

guntotinglibertarian on August 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Your pal is probably a nice guy.

However, he is still suckling from the government’s breastmilk.

Great f’in program.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:02 PM

azlibertarian on August 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM

State of Fear: 600 pages, read in 48 hours

The Stand, Uncut: 1200 pages, read in just over 72 hours

I know not everyone can read at that speed, nor can everyone get into, of all things, a congressional bill as one could get into a stirring novel.

However, if I were making six goddamned figures to do so, you can bet I’d be devouring it.

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Wait till they have to bribe us all into electric golf carts. Then they want to pay kids to do homework or go to school. A good Democrat never met a spending program they didn’t like. Except for war, national security, helping allies, producing energy, encouraging academic excellence…

IlikedAUH2O on August 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM

They don’t need to worry about that. They’re Friends of Angelo.

guntotinglibertarian on August 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM

More like a wink and a sweaty handshake, which they all understand very well.

califcon on August 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM

They better be ready for shoes to fly when they go out to speak in the public!!!!

yoda on August 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM

You know somebody is gonna try it one of these days.

Just like Eddie Murphy’s Mom.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM

So where did you get that idea, polls like the recent Gallop one showing that there are only 4 red states and 30 blue ones (Oklahoma was listed as a blue state and not a single county including the urban areas voted for 0bama)? I love how you leftie idiots love to spout about polls. Problem is, the polls you like to cite are taken from someone with a political agenda. There is a reason why they do not release WHERE they did their polling. Think they are being fair? No. They poll on the streets of New York and other urban areas. The ignore the rural areas entirely.

Thats ok. Keep ill informed and stupid like a good little leftie. That way when ‘Change’ actually comes, you can get a nice surprise.

And from your comments, I would hardly call you a moderate. Maybe compared to say… Stalin.

Wolftech on August 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Claim to fame: I was at that infamous brown M&Ms Van Halen Concert at Massari Gymnasium on the Univerisity of Southern Colorado campus. It was a great concert, but took me a couple days to get my hearing back (sat about 10-15 seats from the speakers). I remember reading an article about it in Rolling Scones Mag, but I don’t remember it explains so succinctly. But it was a LONG time ago.

kirkill on August 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM

The worst monster novel/book I ever read was “Battlefield Earth” by L. Ron Hubbard.

Pure torture. I had to read it because I made an agreement to swap books we liked and recommended for the other. He had to read my selection “Watership Down”.

I lost that one.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Madison @1:45
Finally,someone who understands that it doesn’t take 1,000 words to say what can be said in 100.Liberals seem to think that you make a stronger argument the more words you use,whether they make sense or not.And the MSM can’t understand why people don’t read their newspapers,magazines,nor listen to their talking heads anymore.
Good comment.

DDT on August 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Wolftech on August 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM

The reason was they equated Red with GOP when in fact it means conservative. If they had done it that way, their would be 25-30 red states.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

…reading every bill in Congress “would slow down the business of Congress to a crawl and it would be hard to get done what needs to be done.”

The Hell it would.

Members of Congress who don’t read the bills they are voting on “is not necessarily the major problem with the way Congress functions,” he said.

The Hell you say?

“Hodes said it’s not realistic to expect members of Congress to read every bill word-for-word, as Congress took more than 2,000 votes in the session that ended in December,” the paper reports.

The Hell it ain’t.

I suggest a new rules be establed.

1. A senator is not allowed to vote on a bill until they can take a thorough exam and prove that they understand the details of the bill being voted on.

2. Bills will be voted on WITHOUT extra riders added on. This will a)simplify the process, b) be more “green” because of the “cut glut” of paper not being produced by the pork riders and c) speed up the house because of only one issue.

CynicalOptimist on August 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Well, my guess is that Obama has 8 years. Get used to it. I can’t see a revolution, except maybe picking up some Republican seats in 2010.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM

I trust Van Halen to govern better than these clowns.

/Somebody Get Me A Doctor!

Christien on August 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:04

Thanks for the Eddie Murphy video!!

Hope they stay out of the red light districts….those heels look pretty sharp.

yoda on August 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM

THE FOUNDING FATHERS ORGANIZED GOVERNMENT TO BE SLOW!!!!!!!

It shouldn’t be a knee jerk reactionary thing.

- The Cat

MirCat on August 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Oklahoma was listed as a blue state and not a single county including the urban areas voted for 0bama)?

Wolftech on August 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM

I was astonished when I saw that . . . especially as someone who is thinking of relocating to Oklahoma in order to be among my own kind (conservatives). Do you know how they decided to make Oklahoma blue?

califcon on August 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Well, my guess is that Obama has 8 years. Get used to it. I can’t see a revolution, except maybe picking up some Republican seats in 2010.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Since you are so weapons-grade wrong about so much, I’m actually very pleased with that comment!

califcon on August 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Of course. Then again, never once have I put my comments in the Democrat/Republican context (occasionally I slip, but that is just shoddy editing). I always try to couch my comments in the Right verse the left. That is what matters. Political party names can swap. Its what ideals that one holds that matter. I pay more attention to what a political figure says and does rather than whether they have a (D) or an (R) in front of their name.

Wolftech on August 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Well, my guess is that Obama has 8 years. Get used to it. I can’t see a revolution, except maybe picking up some Republican seats in 2010.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM

When you are left bewildered that your precious 0bama is out on his keister in 2012, I will laugh that much harder. You are a sad, pathetic person, and if I were a Christian, I would pray for you. Instead, I will just hope that you perhaps will take this as a learning experience and can do better in your next life.

Oh.. yeah… this gun-totting conservative is a Buddhist.

Wolftech on August 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Once again a Lib stumbles into the Truth, but not the way they wanted to. There is a reason that massive overhauls of the nation take 6 months of work. So that Congress knows what they are voting on. They are trying to push through bills in a matter of days that should take several months of debate.

We need a law that forces X number of days for every page of all legislation excluding Emergencies, i.e. natural disasters and war.

In the words of Obama:
BARACK OBAMA: …When you rush these budgets that are a foot high and nobody has any idea what’s in them and nobody has read them.

RANDI RHODES: 14 pounds it was!

BARACK OBAMA: Yeah. And it gets rushed through without any clear deliberation or debate then these kinds of things happen. And I think that this is in some ways what happened to the Patriot Act. I mean you remember that there was no real debate about that. It was so quick after 9/11 that it was introduced that people felt very intimidated by the administration.

jeffn21 on August 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Except for war, national security, helping allies, producing energy, encouraging academic excellence…

IlikedAUH2O on August 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM

On some of these, you’re wrong. True, they don’t like war. However, they sure as hell don’t mind scattered conflict resolution and peacekeeping missions as long as we’re working in tandem with UN cannon fodder. Also, speaking of the UN, that’s the only way they like helping “allies” – MONEY. Send New York a big fat check that goes towards giving China awards for human rights achievements(WHAT THE F***?) and extorting countries for promised food supplies.

As for producing energy, they’re all in favor of it if it’s hard to do. Solar, wind, hydroelectric. Yes, eventually science and innovation made these somewhat feasible. Solar just got it’s efficiency bumped 40% by Intel. However, they’ve been pushing it on us for years, when it didn’t produce jack squat. They scream and cry about the dangers of nuclear power, while still ineffably singing about geothermal. Yeah, you know, that idea that collects pressure and gases from fissures in the earth’s crust? Not dangerous at all.

You’re absolutely right about academic excellence, though. The only excellence they’re interested in is dogmatic indoctrination. They infuriatingly present themselves as crusaders of free thought and free expression, while implementing speech codes that ruin students’ futures if they dare think for themselves, or dissent from the status quo.

…and guess what, folks? They’re in charge right now. These loathsome cretins who don’t even have any respect for themselves, much less anyone else. We’re being led by guilt-ridden, suppressed suicidal clowns, who want their years of pain, burnt into them by monsters who truly revile anyone being more successful than they, to be wreaked upon the masses. Frankly, the Obama Joker poster was dead on.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Texas legislature:

Meets every-other year.

Term: 140 days

Last I checked Texas wasn’t falling apart, let alone behind.

Limerick on August 4, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Damn I know I’ll end up in Texas some day. Sounds like a ‘sane’ place to me. I loved it down there when I had a contract there. Danced rumba with the wife one time while we were there for a conference for her work in San Antonio.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM

The program is the best example of just how stupid the government is. The true costs per car sold are much higher than the $3500-4500 incentive.

Edmunds.com, which is benefitting from all the extra site traffic generated by CARS nonetheless issued a report Monday saying that each car bought under the progream would actually cost the U.S. tax-payer $20,000 per vehicle sold, not the $3.500-$4,500 actually paid out.

Story here – http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2009/07/cash_for_clunke_2.html
Even when you consider the tax revenue generated, is this cost effective? Didn’t we already bail out the car companies? Why am I paying for someone else’s car, mortgage, health insurance? STOP.

mph on August 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Wolftech on August 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM

It’s really interesting to me how just about every person I have known that has left the GOP is a libertarian or conservative, not a liberal who thinks the GOP is too conservative.

The country is STILL center/right and Palin will prove it.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM

T

he Bill of Rights contains only 462 words and fits on a single sheet of bond copy paper.

Scrap all the rest of the junk. It is all covered in those 462 words already. New law: If it doesn’t fit on a single sheet of paper it doesn’t get voted on. If a congressman or senator can’t read one page, figure it out, and vote up or down on it, then send them home.

..if you will run for office, I will MOVE to your congessional district just for the distinct pleasure of voting for you! I wonder how many other citizens in this country have such clarity of thought? I sure as hell know there are 535 folks in DC who have their head up their bung holes.

By the way, sincere question: Why isn’t the bill posted on the internet? If I were a lazy congressman, I’d do it and let the public Q&A it for me.

VoyskaPVO on August 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM

The bills are 1000+ pages for a reason. And they’re rushed through for a reason. There’s an agenda to socialize America as quickly as possible before the next elections and chaos, confusion and distraction are the means to do that.

mph on August 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM

It’s really interesting to me how just about every person I have known that has left the GOP is a libertarian or conservative, not a liberal who thinks the GOP is too conservative.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Yep.

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Oh snap!

lorien1973 on August 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM

I could use a new fridge. I always wanted one that has an automatic ice maker!!

deidre on August 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Oh.. yeah… this gun-totting conservative is a Buddhist.

That’s a fun combo. :)

I could be wrong. It’s hard to vote out a seated president, though. He’ll have a distinct advantage.

And even though people are nervous about his programs, for sure, his own personal polls are still strong. People seem to like the guy.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

AnninCA, keep believing in unicorns sweetheart. If those polls were right there would be no “disruptions” in the townhall meetings.
Open your eyes.

ORconservative on August 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Auto mechanics also lose out with the C4C Crapola. I and other consumers lose out because there are fewer or no used parts to repair our “Clunkers” that we keep because #1. We are not going into debt up to our eyeballs buying a new POS. #2. Not paying drastically higher car insurance. #3. Much higher repair bills if you can get parts. #4. Most newer cars don’t last as long as the older cars. #5. I can perform a tune up on my old 1971 Ford F-100 myself for about $50.00 and two hours time. This includes points/condenser, distributor cap, spark plugs, and the ignition coil if necessary. My dad grew up on the family farm in Fairview, Oklahoma until he was about 10 years old. Coming from that background I utterly detest the obscene waste in C4C and other scams by OSAMA OBAMA. This waste of resources and the reckless spending spree we and the government have been on for the last 50 years or more is what has destroyed our economy. We all should be saving as much money as possible by not STUPIDLY spending money on cars, appliances, and other things unless absolutely necessary.

Best Regards

hamradio on August 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

And even though people are nervous about his programs, for sure, his own personal polls are still strong. People seem to like the guy.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

People will turn on him when they can’t get health care…or they have to let grandma die…

ladyingray on August 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Yup. That’s my representitive. Can I go hide under a rock now?

crazy_legs on August 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Not a Blue Dog, but that moron representative from Denver, Diana DeGette (not sure if the “D” after her name stands for “Dem” or “Dim”) will only have one town-hall this month – making her appearance by TELEPHONE!

n0doz on August 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM

And even though people are nervous about his programs, for sure, his own personal polls are still strong. People seem to like the guy be afraid of being called a racist if they don’t say they like the guy.

FIFY.

crazy_legs on August 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Emailed my congressman to ask if he’s going to hold any townhall meetings during August. According to his website, nothing is planned.

Then again, I’m in MA, so he probably figured the socialist agenda was a-okay.

NickelAndDime on August 4, 2009 at 2:44 PM

The problem is that they’re not reading most things in the first place. It has been my experience that they pass new bills/proposals/documents off to interns or staffers to read and write a summary on each portion of the bill that deciphers a lot of the double speak. Following that, there’s usually an accompanying analysis of the impact and repercussions of said actions…kinda like a really long action memo. This gets passed on to the rep or senator, who would then probably determine whether or not they need to read the whole thing.

On something like this, however, I think it’s necessary to read the whole thing. If it were me, especially in light of the complexity and the controversy, I would make the time to pour through the whole damned document. There is simply too much at stake to rely on a Cliffs Notes version.

ScaryBiscuits on August 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM

And even though people are nervous about his programs, for sure, his own personal polls are still strong. People seem to like the guy.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Who cares if they like him or not? The polls show they hate the job he’s doing!

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2009 at 2:47 PM

That’s the problem: We don’t elect these staffers. They have the ability to influence what their Congressman understands about the matters under discussion. Thousand-page bills, especially when they are presented on terms when “There’s no more time for debate”, require these Congressmen to vote from ignorance.

If a person is stopped for speeding or running a stop sign or making an illegal turn, the cop usually doesn’t accept an excuse like “I didn’t see the sign”–ignorance of the law is no excuse for those who BREAK the laws.

Why is ignorance of the law an excuse for those who MAKE the laws?

We elect Congress members, not staffers, to make the laws. How does a Congress member represent ME if he/she doesn’t know what he’s voting for or against?

Steve Z on August 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM

“No one believes more firmly than Comrade [Obama] that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?” [Animal Farm]

mankai on August 4, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I forget.

I presume

I agree with a lot of the criticisms

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

So, in other words, you don’t know anything, really.

Hush. The debate is settled.

TinMan13 on August 4, 2009 at 2:52 PM

I’m sick of being told that sitting around your office deciding how to spend someone else’s money is “work”.

Hucklebuck on August 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM

We had a state rep (D) take ofifce a few years ago and immediatley introduce a bill which, she said, imposed taxes on three types of commerical transaction for services (not taxed in our state). When it was pointed out to her at a press conference by a reporter who had read the bill that it applied to over 50 such transactions, her exact reply, and I shit you not, was: “Well, I didn’t read the bill. It was written by a staffer.” She obviously felt this completely exonorated her. Voted out next election.

Hucklebuck on August 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM

How ’bout every year you get a pass on reading one bill over a trillion dollars if you sing Happy Birthday to Helen Thomas and give her a cupcake?

Maybe Hodes should have played the Bush-spent-a-third-of-his-administration-on-his-ranch-in-Texas card. I see that a lot from the lefties whenever I mention “date night.”

Mr_Magoo on August 4, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Seriously? I never thought a party could campaign on the promise of knowing what they’re voting on, but it seems to have come to that.

hawksruleva on August 4, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I could be wrong. It’s hard to vote out a seated president, though. He’ll have a distinct advantage.

And even though people are nervous about his programs, for sure, his own personal polls are still strong. People seem to like the guy.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Jimmy Carter, GHW Bush, That’s just the last 30 years…

blue1 on August 4, 2009 at 4:13 PM

NickelAndDime on August 4, 2009 at 2:44 PM

n0doz on August 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM

yoda on August 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Both MSNBC and other clearly liberal sources have been encouraging legislators to consider just staying in Washington since they will hear paid plants and large organized protests at home. And there were some remarks about all the “heat” they will get from constituents. And this is in only six months of the kid’s funhouse?

Doesn’t bode well for a long democrat rule, I say.

IlikedAUH2O on August 4, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Why don’t they just purchase the Bills on audio tape?
Listen to it while they are pretending to have a clue about anything.

elderberry on August 4, 2009 at 6:15 PM

KLAATU BARATA NEK(cough cough)
“did you say the sacred words?”
“Well, I may not have said it perfectly.”
“You fool! You’ve doomed us all!”

billhedrick on August 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Democratic Rep. Paul Hodes (NH-02) believes reading every bill in Congress “would slow down the business of Congress to a crawl and it would be hard to get done what needs to be done.”

Would you accept that lame excuse from anyone else??
Kid you just paid to mow your grass- “I can’t cut your whole yard cause it would take too long and slow down the whole day!”
Guy you just ordered pizza from- “They couldn’t have cooked it all the way through cause it would have taken too long and slowed down the whole delivery!”
Guy you just paid to fix your car- “I wasn’t able to fix the whole thing cause it would have taken too long and slowed down the whole job!”
The doctor who just operated on you- “I didn’t have time to remove the whole tumor or stitch you up. That would have taken too long and would have slowed down the whole surgery!”
Maybe next April 15th we all ought to send a note that reads “I just didn’t have time to pay all those taxes cause it would have taken too freakin long and slowed down my whole freakkin life!”
Yeah,, I am sure that would go over real well.

JellyToast on August 4, 2009 at 7:04 PM

I can’t believe anyone seriously praises this Cash for Clunkers program:

–For each and every car that gets turned in, the American taxpayer gets his pocket picked once again, this time to the tune of $4500 or some similar amount;
–Perfectly usable cars are destroyed, therefore ultimately raising the price of remaining used cars, limiting the number of working cars available;
–People who trade in cars for these vouchers now turn around and put themselves deeper into debt to get new cars, when they should be going in the other direction debt-wise;
–Government again sticks its nose in and artificially skews the natural market for an important American material good;
–Such a program perpetuates the climate of heedless-of-consequences do-gooderism that is strangling Washington and, as a result, America itself.

All of this, because of fear of the biggest boogeyman of the 21st century world, carbon dioxide.

I would have thought you were absolutely nuts if you had proposed such a ridiculous program in years past.

Edouard on August 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I wonder how many of those new cars bought under C4C
are going to be repossesed because some idiots jumped into higher payments that they can afford.Just like they did with sub-prime mortgages?

Oh,I forgot,we’ll just bail them out,like we did with their mortgages.

DDT on August 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Stupid people doing stoooopid things. The most economical car anyone can have is one that is paid for. I have seen pictures of some very nice cars traded in as clunkers. One was a late model Volvo, although I have no sympathy for Volvo owners – and BMW owners for that matter.

How do BMWs and Vovlos differ from porcupines?

Porcupines have the pricks on the outside.

Pelayo on August 4, 2009 at 7:20 PM

But CNBC just raved about C4C!

IlikedAUH2O on August 4, 2009 at 7:45 PM

I think that Congress should be required to take a written test based on provisions in a bill, including an essay portion describing why each member is voting as they are voting. All results should be published in the Congressional Record.

Anything to shame them and slow them down!

Laurence on August 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM

It may not jumpstart anything, but at least a few salesguys are smiling this week.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Yeah, the ones that weren’t forced out of business by the federal government.

TugboatPhil on August 4, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Hodes needs to spend some quality time in an unemployment line.

GarandFan on August 4, 2009 at 10:39 PM

I really am not suggesting the program is great or anything, folks. It simply was a true stimulus program that worked. That’s all.
It may not jumpstart anything, but at least a few salesguys are smiling this week.
AnninCA on August 4

Lets see, we have a program that takes cars that are paid off (assuming the clunkers are old cars, over 5 years old) and give people who may not be able to afford a new car, a $4k cut in the price of a new car.

Isn’t this like the “Sub prime” logic that got us in this mess?

What happens when these folks can’t pay that note?

Are we going to be required to pay the rest of the bill?

Of the top 5 cars being sold, one is American the rest are Japanese, not to mention that none of the GM or Chrysler cars were in the top 5.

Number one is a Ford! The one US carmaker that DIDN’T get a bailout!

“It may not jumpstart anything, but at least a few salesguys are smiling this week”

divide up a billion dollars tween a few “any-guys” and your gonna see a lot of smiles..

DSchoen on August 4, 2009 at 10:49 PM

If one applied to the same kind of thinking to the unemployment problem, one would line up all of the employed people and shoot every fourth one, thus freeing up jobs and “stimulating” the economy.

PackerBronco on August 4, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Boy, do I have a movie for you; it’s called “Whoops, Apocalypse!”. In that movie, the Prime Minister of The U.K. does almost exactly that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVfvYiWcA-E

It is a great movie and this was but one of many very funny scenes.

Sadly enough, it seems that we are not far from that now with the Democrats. :/

Theophile on August 5, 2009 at 3:49 AM

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