Ramirez, IBD on Senate spike of Yucca Mountain

posted at 5:06 pm on August 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

One can measure the dedication of the climate-change crowd in how they approach the zero-emissions technology of nuclear power.  Some have realized that the only practical way to replace coal as a source for electricity is to invest heavily in nuclear power.  Others, such as Harry Reid and his allies in the Senate, have done their best to shut the door on that path away from coal, which calls into question their motives in forcing cap-and-trade schemes onto the US.

Investors Business Daily rips Reid and the administration for blocking the use of Yucca Mountain for safe fuel reprocessing, which would allow for an expansion of electrical production by nuclear power:

Killing the storage facility for the spent fuel rods produced by the nation’s nuclear power industry has long been a dream of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and President Obama. Last week, the Senate granted their wish, voting to deny the resources needed to complete a review necessary for Yucca Mountain to open.

“This is a major victory for Nevada,” said Reid, who is up for re-election next year. “I am pleased that President Obama has lived up to his promise to me and to all Nevadans by working with me to kill the Yucca Mountain project.” …

We need the jobs nuclear power can provide, and we need the energy. The Energy Information Agency projects that by 2030, U.S. electricity demand will increase by 45%. Since nuclear power currently supplies 20%, the U.S. will need to have 35 additional nuclear power plants just to meet future demand. But without Yucca Mountain it won’t happen.

Yucca Mountain is not a “dump” and what would be stored there is not “waste.” It is in fact our country’s best renewable resource. Used nuclear fuel retains upwards of 90% of its original energy.

Since beginning operations, France’s La Hague facility has safely reprocessed over 23,000 tons of used fuel — enough to power France, which gets 80% of its electricity from nukes, for 14 years.

Michael Ramirez has a great cartoon for today on the subject:

The most hypocritical part of the Democratic energy policy is their insistence on developing electrical and hybrid cars requiring recharges from electrical outlets.  Even without converting our vehicles to electricity, we will increase our electrical demands by 45% over the next 20 years.  If we’re going to hobble the coal industry and keep nuclear power off the grid, it’s hard to see how we can even maintain current production, let alone provide for the normal growth in demand and the energy to run individual vehicles on top of that.

Reid and his allies claim that other technologies will replace coal and nuclear for mass production of electrical energy by that time, but we’ve been hearing that since the 1970s — longer than it will take us to get to 2030.  Nuclear power is here now, used by nations like Japan and France to produce the bulk of their electricity without incident, and several generations of technology safer than the 1970s version of nuclear power that we use today.  Only a fool eschews extant, successful technology for a dream of what may come tomorrow, especially when the choices are not mutually exclusive.

Ramirez has a terrific collection of his works: Everyone Has the Right to My Opinion, which covers the entire breadth of Ramirez’ career, and it gives a fascinating look at political history.  Read my review here, and watch my interviews with Ramirez here and here.  And don’t forget to check out the entire IBD site, while individual investors still exist.

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Some environmentalists want cleaner power. Many want a return to the stone age, or a depopulated earth.

Vashta.Nerada on August 4, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Reid will be Toast next year. He can lead the majority of senior citizens at some ‘assisted living facility’ in the Silver State

Janos Hunyadi on August 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Someone stop the ride. My head is spinning.

shick on August 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM

The mind verily boggles.

AUINSC on August 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Recycling nuclear fuel is the way to go. Read Scientific American December 2005. “Smarter Use of Nuclear Waste”. Read the entire article about how Carter killed reprocessing, Reagan/Bush revived it, Clinton/Gore killed it again.

You can find the article on the net in PDF if you google around.

crosspatch on August 4, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Here’s why Obama is blocking nuclear power:

done their best to shut the door on that path away from coal, which calls into question their motives in forcing cap-and-trade schemes onto the US.

The government will get much more money from power companies if no new nuke plants are built because the only realistic alternatives produce CO2.

It’s all about government revenues.

Daggett on August 4, 2009 at 5:19 PM

If we’re going to hobble the coal industry and keep nuclear power off the grid, it’s hard to see how we can even maintain current production, let alone provide for the normal growth in demand and the energy to run individual vehicles on top of that.

Let’s not forget that T. Boone “Don Quijote de la Mancha” Pickens plan for windmills has been scrapped, so wind energy won’t be available to benefit us either.

VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM

These people are bound and determined to reduce our way of life by any means possible. I am glad I am an old man and won’t see their endgame come to fruition.

fourdeucer on August 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Some environmentalists want cleaner power. Many want a return to the stone age, or a depopulated earth.

Vashta.Nerada on August 4, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Most want a depopulated earth with tribal family groups. Of course they will be overseeing everything from the comfort of there technology havens. They look at the Earth as one giant nature preserve that needs managing and the people? Well, they are just another animal that needs a lot more management least they crap in their own nest.

jmarcure on August 4, 2009 at 5:21 PM

I have an idea. Lets give the libs, tree huggers, enviro nut job, and the greenies the entire west coast of the US. Providing of course we get the conservatives out and relocate them to a state of their choice. That way they can pass their own laws, enforce all kinds of regulations and basically “f’ up that side of the country without disturbing the rest of us.

milwife88 on August 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Greenies want the kind of energy that is not practical and not in existence. Mark my words, when wind power comes on line it will be labeled “eye pollution” and band in Cape Cod, the Hamptons and all of SF.

Fred 2 on August 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Plain and simple, these people have to be voted out of office. We can throw fact after fact after fact at them, it doesn’t matter. Liberalism is a cult that worships “peace of mind”, Sebellious, “harmony with mother earth at any cost”, refusing to kill mosquitos with DDT thus promoting the death of thousands every year from malaria, “redistribution of wealth”, we know who said that! They don’t live in reality and they are currently doing everything they can to make sure the rest of us are made to live in their insane, dysfunctional utopia.

Wileygrl3 on August 4, 2009 at 5:25 PM

I still do not know what the problem is with nuclear energy…it has been used for decades on ships, on submarines without incidence, a moving machine with hundreds of men with feet of the reactor.
I would like someone of note debate this issue, instead of hiding behind politicians words.

right2bright on August 4, 2009 at 5:27 PM

The problem is there isn’t enough generation capacity to handle electric cars. People need to drive on calm, cloudy days in addition to windy, sunny days.

If they want people to use plug-in electrics, they are going to have to build nuclear plants. There is no way around it.

crosspatch on August 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Gee, other nations don’t need a Yucca Mountain…they simply convert spent fuel rods directly into weapons grade fissile material…on site.

The Three Mile Island China Syndrome is alive and well in America…to our overall detriment…thank you, Jane Fonda.

We’ll be buying electricity from Canada and Mexico on a much larger scale soon enough, and once that Trans-Atlantic undersea power cable from France is hooked up, we’ll be buying electricity from France as well.

Nice to be planning on being energy independent, eh, Harry?

coldwarrior on August 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM

What better way to control the serfs, than to ration their energy?

We will be just like their Cuban utopia. Lights out at 10pm.
No air conditioners. No incandescent light bulbs. No running water. We’ll have rain water catchers on our roofs etc.

roninacreage on August 4, 2009 at 5:36 PM

The Three Mile Island China Syndrome is alive and well in America…to our overall detriment…thank you, Jane Fonda.

coldwarrior on August 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM

I really don’t think it has anything to do with safety issues.

The government can’t collect cap-and-trade money from Nuclear power plants because they don’t produce CO2. So, despite what they tell you, they WANT dirty power. It provides the government with revenues.

Daggett on August 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM

So let the Republicans run a campaign against Reid that highlights his course to kill Federal jobs in Nevada by shutting down the reprocessing center.

Hit him as a luddite for closing Yucca Mountain but failing to offer any other long-term solution to the spent nuclear fuel from nuclear plants.

Hit him as an know-nothing by exposing his opposition to nuclear power, coal, and gas, highlighting the growing need for electrical power to fuel the cars he wants on America’s highways.

Finally, highlight just how much it’s going to cost John Q. Taxpayer in higher energy fees and taxes, all of which will go to the politicians in Washington D.C. to fund their pet projects.

Nethicus on August 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM

The problem is they think if they kill the storage they kill nuclear power. The bigger problem is that they think that nuclear power creates this radiation, it doesn’t. The radio active material is everywhere. All they do is refine it and thus are taking the most radioactive, using it, and once it’s less radioactive, store it.

This like pumping oil out of the ground so it doesn’t leach into the ocean, is a good thing.

- The Cat

P.S. If the truth were known, oil spills may be devastating to larger lifeforms in a short term but better for the microorganisms in the long term, and thus also better for larger lifeforms in the long term.

MirCat on August 4, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Daggett on August 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM

The Left-inspired “moratorium” on building nuke plants in the US pre-dates cap and tax by a few decades, and that “moratorium” was based on Three Mile Island incident and was pushed further on the public by and the propaganda film, China Syndrome” starring Jane Fonda.

coldwarrior on August 4, 2009 at 5:47 PM

“Only a fool eschews extant, successful technology for a dream of what may come tomorrow, especially when the choices are not mutually exclusive.”

They just do not care how cold it gets in the winter during brown and blackouts – they’ll warm. If some of the proles freeze, well, there are plenty of people of peace and people from south of Texas to replace them.

But yes, they are fools: arrogant, hubris filled political elite, who know as long as ACORN gets billions the one party system is assured. And most voters these days don’t care what the politicans do as long as they sound and look good.

Friendly21 on August 4, 2009 at 5:49 PM

I live in Vegas and would LOVE to see the nuke dump come to Nevada.

Mojave Mark on August 4, 2009 at 5:51 PM

And most voters these days don’t care what the politicans do as long as they sound and look good.

Friendly21 on August 4, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Don’t even have to look good or sound good, just have to have a D next to their name these days.

coldwarrior on August 4, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Simple:

The French are smarter than Obama and Reid Combined!

Show us the TINY place the French store their nuke waste, and tell us what percentage of French electicity is generated by Nukes.

Obama, Reid and the Old Soviets want us not to use that bad old nuclear power.

Wander on August 4, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Paging Dr. Bill Wattenburg.

Americannodash on August 4, 2009 at 6:16 PM

bu-bu-but The China Syndrome was the truth! I saw it on TV!

John the Libertarian on August 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM

I want to see Sarah Palin down in Nevada next campaigning to get this fool out of office.

milemarker2020 on August 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM

I still do not know what the problem is with nuclear energy…it has been used for decades on ships, on submarines without incidence, a moving machine with hundreds of men with feet of the reactor.
I would like someone of note debate this issue, instead of hiding behind politicians words.
right2bright on August 4, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Fact is, there is nothing wrong, and everything right, with nuclear energy.

I would have liked someone of note to debate this issue too. Unfortunately, the only one to note the above points was the hapless, almost verbally constipated, John McCain. He mentioned it several times in the campaign, but could never back it up in any meaningful way.

He was a horribly handicapped candidate in his absolute inability to hammer a point home.

marybel on August 4, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Reid isn’t a veteran is he?

PappaMac on August 4, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Ive been hearing about unlimited power from alternate energy since the 50s or early 60s when the very large thermonuclear power project was started.

burt on August 4, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Nethicus on August 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM

My sister-in-law worked as a senior quality assurance analyst for the Yucca Mountain Project. The science was good about storing materials there. Politics and the MSM killed Yucca Mountain. The MSM scared Nevada residents s..tless. So, running against Harry Reid on this would seriously backfire.
Yes there was a loss of jobs but they weren’t Federal, they were to private industry under contract to the FEDs. Most have since moved on to other types of Contracts.

chemman on August 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Idiots

kirkill on August 4, 2009 at 7:24 PM

I’m sure Texas could spare some of its acreage for nuclear waste storage. Send it to College Station. They’re all mutants there anyway.

/just kiddin’ aggies

john1schn on August 4, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Why all the hoopla about where to store the spent rods. Isn’t obvious that the left and east coasts could use that in the water supply to limit the population growth? Spread it around generously and we’ll solve the liberal mentality problem in a few short months. Combine this action with the limits of government health care and they get their wish less people and we get ours, less liberals likely to cast illogical votes.
sarc/

larvcom on August 4, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Isn’t obvious that the left and east coasts could use that in the water supply to limit the population growth?
larvcom on August 4, 2009 at 7:43 PM

No. No spend rods needed on the coasts – not necessary – that’s what single payer health care is for – to limit population growth.

Friendly21 on August 4, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Who are the “They”? Who are the “Environmentalist”? I want names and pictures and where the heck these people are who’ve handcuffed us and our econmy especailly here in CA. I want to know who they are!

CCRWM on August 4, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I have an idea. Lets give the libs, tree huggers, enviro nut job, and the greenies the entire west coast of the US. Providing of course we get the conservatives out and relocate them to a state of their choice. That way they can pass their own laws, enforce all kinds of regulations and basically “f’ up that side of the country without disturbing the rest of us.

milwife88 on August 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM

I would go for that solution approach, however, please make it the East Coast that we give them.

bucko36 on August 4, 2009 at 7:56 PM

How about a sacrifice to the volcano gods. Chain them, no stake them to the sides of those active volcanoes. They can finally have peace with nature. I know what your thinking, volcanoes aren’t always on the cusp not to worry, plenty of scavengers that will need the food.

larvcom on August 4, 2009 at 8:22 PM

I have an idea. Lets give the libs, tree huggers, enviro nut job, and the greenies the entire west coast of the US. Providing of course we get the conservatives out and relocate them to a state of their choice. That way they can pass their own laws, enforce all kinds of regulations and basically “f’ up that side of the country without disturbing the rest of us.

milwife88 on August 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM

We used to have this thing called Federalism that did exactly that, but the leftists killed it.

Browncoatone on August 4, 2009 at 8:50 PM

Besdides Las Vegas, which is dying, Nevada has nothing. They’re idiots for stopping this.

Jeff from WI on August 4, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Mr Reid:

As a comedian of yesteryear once said:

“Sir, I’d like to have a battle of wits with you, but I cannot attack a man who is unarmed!!!”

landlines on August 4, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Stupid Grid.

Maquis on August 4, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Reid isn’t a veteran is he?

PappaMac on August 4, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Nope, and it wouldn’t matter if he was anyway.

thebrokenrattle on August 4, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Just build 100 million electric cars, problem solved.

ummmm or is it?

allrsn on August 4, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Used nuclear fuel retains upwards of 90% of its original energy.

Why is it considered “used” then?

AZ_Mike on August 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Harsh as it may sound, we really need a Constitutional amendment to strip the right to vote from the juvenile, simple-minded asses that are hell-bent on causing the demise of civilization as we know it. They are the 21st Century equivalent of cockroaches, and ought to be dealt with accordingly.

StimulateTHIS on August 4, 2009 at 11:11 PM

The big problem with nuclear energy is ensuring the commercial plants are operated with the same rigor as the Navy nuclear sub plants. Remember the plant in Japan where two guys had placed some coolant or liquid waste in a bucket contrary to operating procedures? The bucket was too big, and a low-level fission event occurred. At least one of the men died.

A much safer approach is a thorium based reactor, which cannot melt down and best of all, can consume the nuclear waste from conventional reactors. The waste from a thorium reactor is not nearly as radioactive to start with, and has a half-life measured in hundreds rather than tens of thousands of years. A thorium reactor can consume the waste that has already accumulated as well as making it feasible to continue with conventional reactors.

Plus, there is no way to get weapons-grade material from a thorium reactor. Here is a link:

http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/12/thorium-google-talk-and-jim-hansen-now.html

JackOkie on August 5, 2009 at 12:09 AM

Are we living in the twilight zone? Where in the hell has common sense gone?

patriot2001 on August 5, 2009 at 1:38 AM

Where in the hell has common sense gone?

patriot2001 on August 5, 2009 at 1:38 AM

With the wind?

coldwarrior on August 5, 2009 at 2:00 AM

As we say here in Nevada…

SEND HARRY TO SEARCHLIGHT …

And to Jeff from WI – we have quite a few industries based here in the Silver State – including mining – which happens to be weathering the recession quite well.

Mom4t on August 5, 2009 at 4:50 AM

So let the Republicans run a campaign against Reid that highlights his course to kill Federal jobs in Nevada by shutting down the reprocessing center.

Hit him as a luddite for closing Yucca Mountain but failing to offer any other long-term solution to the spent nuclear fuel from nuclear plants.

Hit him as an know-nothing by exposing his opposition to nuclear power, coal, and gas, highlighting the growing need for electrical power to fuel the cars he wants on America’s highways.

Finally, highlight just how much it’s going to cost John Q. Taxpayer in higher energy fees and taxes, all of which will go to the politicians in Washington D.C. to fund their pet projects.

Nethicus on August 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM

He has a alternate solution, nationalized health care. To shrink the population.

darktood on August 5, 2009 at 6:22 AM

Gee, other nations don’t need a Yucca Mountain…they simply convert spent fuel rods directly into weapons grade fissile material…on site.

coldwarrior on August 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Where did this “weapons grade” stuff come from?

The plutonium in the rods can never be made weapons grade, it’s the wrong isotope.
The uranium could be, if it were run through the seperators a few dozen more times.
Finally, no nation that I am aware of, reprocesses “on site”. Waste rods are shipped to a centralized facility, and reprocessed rods are shipped back.

MarkTheGreat on August 5, 2009 at 9:07 AM

I really don’t think it has anything to do with safety issues.

Daggett on August 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM

For govt, quite probably.
However for many greenies, safety is a top priority.

I can’t tell you how many “environmentalists” I’ve talked to who are convinced that a nuclear power plant can explode, like Hiroshima.

I’ve also lost track of the number people that I have talked to who are utterly convinced that any amount of radiation will kill them. Recently on the seablogger site, I debated with a gentleman who was convinced that depleted uranium was going to kill everyone exposed to it, because it is radioactive. I finally got him to shut up about radiation when I showed him that his granite counter top was more radioactive than a DU round.

The educational establisment no longer gives people the ability to judge and compare the risks in their lives. (And I do believe that this is intentional.)

MarkTheGreat on August 5, 2009 at 9:12 AM

MarkTheGreat on August 5, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Yongbyon. Everything on-site.

coldwarrior on August 5, 2009 at 9:26 AM

MarkTheGreat on August 5, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Dimona. Everything on-site.

coldwarrior on August 5, 2009 at 9:30 AM