ObamaCare: The grassroots are always greener

posted at 2:23 pm on August 4, 2009 by Karl

Democrats would like to play the victim card in response to the hostile pushback against their proposed government takeover of the US healthcare system. The word has gone out from Sen. Democratic Whip Dick Durbin to a raft of lefty blogs to discredit anti-ObamaCare critics and protesters as vicious mobs ginned up by “lobbyist-run groups” like Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks (Josh Marshall gets bonus points for going all the way with the Nazi allusion). From lefty blogs, the message goes directly to the Politico’s Glenn Thrush, Keith Olbermann and CBS News — though CBS conceded that the “turnouts also reflect the real fear over the increased taxes and government controls that are part of the health bills being considered in Congress.”

The role of established conservative groups may be more of following and facilitating the protesters. But even if such groups are becoming more involved in organizing opposition to ObamaCare, the hypocrisy here is rather staggering, given the amount of astroturf involved in trying to sell ObamaCare to an increasingly resistant public. As Michelle Malkin noted upon the launch of the lefty campaign:

On Thursday, a national “grassroots” coalition called Health Care for America Now (HCAN) will march on Capitol Hill to demand universal healthcare. The ground troops won’t have to march very far. HCAN, you see, is no heartland network. It is headquartered at 1825 K Street in Washington, DC — smack dab in the middle of Beltway lobby land.

In fact, 1825 K Street is Ground Zero for a plethora of “progressive” groups subsidized by anti-war, anti-Republican, Big Nanny special interests. Around Washington, the office complex is known as “The Other K Street.” The Washington Post noted in 2007 that “its most prominent tenants form an abbreviated who’s who of well-funded allies of the Democratic Party….Big money from unions such as the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, as well as the Internet-fueled MoveOn, has provided groups like those at 1825 K Street the wherewithal to mount huge campaigns.”

MoveOn, of course, is the recreational political vehicle of radical liberal sugar daddy George Soros. The magnate’s financial fingerprints are all over the HCAN coalition, which includes MoveOn, the action fund of the Center for American Progress (a Soros think tank), and the Campaign for America’s Future (a pro-welfare state lobbying outfit).

Indeed, HCAN includes all of the aforementioned groups, plus the AFL-CIO, ACORN and more. HCAN is conducting a joint campaign with Organizing for America (OFA), the Democratic National Committee-run vestiges of President Obama’s campaign. The astroturf has been on public display at events like Pres. Obama’s healthcare town hall meeting in Northern Virginia, where all of the live questions came from members of SEIU, HCAN, and OFA. Heading into the August recess, the White House and the Congressional Democratic Leadership are working in close coordination with outside groups, including but not limited to, HCAN, Families USA, AFSCME, SEIU, and AARP.

If there is anyone putting their own interests ahead of those they claim to represent, it is the AARP. If there is anyone who should not be whining about vocal anti-Obamacare protests, it is the muscle for money crowd at SEIU and ACORN. If there is anyone who knows about shouting down their critics, it is OFA. If there is anyone without standing to complain about activists getting in people’s faces, it is Pres. Obama.

The Community Organizer in Chief, advised by master astroturfer David Axelrod, has amassed a campaign that dwarfs the efforts of the Right. But they are currently outnumbered and out-messaged on a shoe-string budget, primarily because of the merits of the issue. And that, more than anything, is what has the Left demonizing dissent from ObamaCare.

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Are you the ones who ginned up the mobs?

Come clean.

tarpon on August 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM

You can’t stop a sunami.

fogw on August 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM

No, no, no! Didn’t you get the memo? The only lobbying that is being done is by evil corporations and insurance companies.

Vashta.Nerada on August 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Josh Marshall made a Nazi allusion in his “Tea Shirts” headline. Howard Dean, just now on NPR’s Talk of the Nation, skipped the pun and came right out with “brownshirts.”

Classy, classy guy.

Jobius on August 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

:)

I heard a guy talk about conflict. He reminded the audience, “Always remember the other guy has a play, too.”

I’m suspicious that this disruption idea is going to backfire. People can’t STAND ACORN bullies which showed up at their caucuses, they HATE disruptive unions that interfere with public meetings, and they aren’t going to like the gray-haired screamers, who obviously are on Medicare today, screaming about other people being kept out of the healthcare system.

Frankly, some of the screamers seemed downright mean. Might have well said, “Let em’ die. We’ve got ours.”

That’s an extreme interpretation, but I’m guessing more than a few people will be turned off.

Townhalls should be respectful. Ask tough questions. Even have a few back-and-forth disagreements.

But keep the screaming crap for outside. The Dems may let this play out. It could end up being the smart move. It supports their storyline that the right-wing is dominated by fringe angry people who aren’t interested in reason, compromise or even discussion.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Take your townhall respectfull horsesh-t and shove it up your ass!

Ghoul aid on August 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

I’m still waiting for the insurance company lobbyist to pay me. He said the check was in the mail so I should get out there and shout down the Democrats at their town hall meetings.

Did I say that right, Dick Durbin?

VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

But, but, but DailyKook and MoveOn protest because they really DO care!!!

Delaware Vol on August 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

It supports their storyline that the right-wing is dominated by fringe angry people who aren’t interested in reason, compromise or even discussion.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Guess what Ann? We are angry people who aren’t interested in reason, compromise or even discussion.

TXMomof3 on August 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

The Administration and Congress are literally freaking out at the resistance they are getting. They are hoping the “insurance company paid protestors” story will gain legs. It won’t. Maybe MSNBC will try and push it, but besides Jeffrey Immelt and Jack Welch, I don’t think anybody watches them. And Mr. Welch doesn’t watch them much. He probably watches Fox News.

kingsjester on August 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Guess what Ann? We are angry people who aren’t interested in reason, compromise or even discussion.

That’s fair. But don’t expect credibility in return, then.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

They have classy reporters, too.

TXMomof3 on August 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM

NBC isn’t a news organization anymore. Aren’t they supposed to register with the FEC if they are actively lobbying?

Vashta.Nerada on August 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I’m suspicious that this disruption idea is going to backfire.
AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Gee, Ann, how much of your posting is copied and pasted from a separate word/notepad doc, hmmmm?

VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

But don’t expect credibility in return, then.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Is your account on Huffington Post closed down so you’re hanging out here?

VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM

NBC isn’t a news organization anymore. Aren’t they supposed to register with the FEC if they are actively lobbying?

Vashta.Nerada on August 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Over the last year the news updates I signed up for have been getting more and more openly slanted left. The only reason I still get them is to get the local news.

TXMomof3 on August 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

No, Vibrio. I try to spread the misery. *haha

They can’t stand me either! I’m way too conservative for them.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

As Rush always rightly notes, the Left needs an enemy and if the enemy means your country and countrymen then so be it.

SouthernGent on August 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

We have a climate change in Washington. The passed out koolaid drinkers are awakening with their pockets picked and a headache.

seven on August 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I’m way too conservative for them.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

We always welcome your conservative *ahem* opinion.

VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM

WOW, Ann is HuffPo Trash…LOL…now who’d of guessed that…LOL

Jeff from WI on August 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM

I’m suspicious that this disruption idea is going to backfire

Ann it’s called free speech. lol!

bloggless on August 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Miss Axelrod Astroturfer herself.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM

It ain’t gonna backfire Ann because if it was, the Obama camp would let it play out.

Sapwolf on August 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM

That’s fair. But don’t expect credibility in return, then.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

These people don’t owe their credibility to you or the media Miss Public Option. They have paid for it thru their taxes and now they are being asked to pay more and more and more to fund lazy, incompetent, libtard fantasies of socialist utopias that have been proven time and again to be disasters. So STFU!

JAM on August 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM

No matter what the marketing budget, it is hard to sell Shit-In-A-Box.

gridlock2 on August 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM

So Ann, if you’re NOT on HuffPo, what do you think of that site?

Jeff from WI on August 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Sounds like a battle is looming between the glass roots of the left and the green shoots of the right.

Dreadnought223 on August 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

We always welcome your conservative *ahem* opinion.

It’s fun. You wouldn’t believe the number of comments I get on that issue. “Wow, Ann, I can’t believe I agree with you.” :)

They think I’m a right-winger from hell.

If you’re ever bored, I’ll debate Clinton, too. (I’m an Clinton fan like nobody’s business.)

But, we digress. I try not to deliberate make people furious.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

They tried this same strategy with the tea parties and it backfired. Smearing the public is not a good political move. Questioning the American people’s integrity and conviction and insinuating that Washington knows what’s best for them is the surest way to guarantee an electoral bloodbath a year from now.

Doughboy on August 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I suggest all of us who oppose Obamacare email the Whitehouse and turn ourselves in.
flag@whitehouse.gov

http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/04/call-for-informants-if-you-oppose-obamacare-the-white-house-wants-to-know-about-it

mbs on August 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM

So Ann, if you’re NOT on HuffPo, what do you think of that site?

She has refined the art of rumormongering. And she definitely knows her audience. There’s a daily Palin-bashing thread, which you’ll find my comments on. The mods never block me, btw, on those threads. I figure I’m there for ginning up response. *haha (I’m always pro-Palin, since the threads are hideously unfair.)

And the overall poster education level/maturity? Much lower than here. That could be because of posting length restrictions in part. But I think they are usually 20-somethings.

The sexism is rampant. She lets all that fly without batting an eye.

And she’s really good at letting conservative writers have a column and then moderating it for death threats. *haha

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Hey, I could be calling it wrong on the protests. I just was watching it and thinking, “Oh, this isn’t going to go over well with moderates. Acting like angry old people storming the Townhalls is going to really turn people off.”

But, I could be wrong. The polls will definitely be coming out in a few days.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM

AnninCA do you get paid by the post?

Ampersand on August 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM

I suggest all of us who oppose Obamacare email the Whitehouse and turn ourselves in.
flag@whitehouse.gov

http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/04/call-for-informants-if-you-oppose-obamacare-the-white-house-wants-to-know-about-it

mbs on August 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I cannot believe what kind of loser administration we have! I am about speechless on that link.

TXMomof3 on August 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Obama’s turf war against citizen grassroots burns down the fields, farms, barns and silos and covers with greener astroturf.

Progressives think they can make protesting conservatives wimper by name calling.

It only builds fire in the belly to resist the abuse with legitimate, stronger peaceful defiance.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM

AnninCA do you get paid by the post?

I think that’s folklore that anyone does. But no.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:51 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:47 PM

You know this is the second time that I have wondered about your sanity after reading your posts. Most of the time I ignore it, but sometimes you set off warning bells in me.

TXMomof3 on August 4, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Boy, I don’t know about the left dwarfing the right on the message-control.

Seems to me that the lobbyists have spent millions and millions on defeating healthcare, and it’s paying off.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:54 PM

They tried this same strategy with the tea parties and it backfired. Smearing the public is not a good political move. Questioning the American people’s integrity and conviction and insinuating that Washington knows what’s best for them is the surest way to guarantee an electoral bloodbath a year from now.

Doughboy on August 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Unfortunately, it is a good move with their intended audience – fearful DEM congress-critters.

People believe what they want to believe and if the Dem leadership and Soros and MSM throw out this “Don’t worry if you catch a ration of crap at your townhalls, it’s only dumb trolls led by lobbyists,” the critters will snatch at it like a life-preserver.

guntotinglibertarian on August 4, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I’m suspicious that this disruption idea is going to backfire.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

La Raza talking point # 4.

Quit pimping taxpayer funded illegal alien medical care.

darwin on August 4, 2009 at 2:55 PM

You know this is the second time that I have wondered about your sanity after reading your posts. Most of the time I ignore it, but sometimes you set off warning bells in me.

I think that about a lot of posters. Usually, I keep my opinions to myself. It’s just overly intrusive personal commenting. Might be fun at the moment, but I generally regret taking that approach. That’s why I mostly ignore personal attacks. That IS derailing a thread.

Making an exception, I can assure you that I’m pretty content in life 80% of the time, and that’s close enough to me. I wouldn’t worry.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Seems to me that the lobbyists have spent millions and millions on defeating healthcare, and it’s paying off.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Funny, seems La Raza has spent millions promoting it … not to mention generous campaign contributions to select Congressman. It doesn’t seem to be working.

darwin on August 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM

I hope they keep attacking the anti-healthcare crowd, they don’t realize how many of those “anti’s” are there fellow supporters.
This is not a conservative vs. liberal issue, this is a rebellion against a bad plan, bad for everyone.

right2bright on August 4, 2009 at 2:59 PM

HCAN, you see, is no heartland network. It is headquartered at 1825 K Street in Washington, DC — smack dab in the middle of Beltway lobby land.

BUSTED!

You will know them (astroturfers) by their professional printed signs, co-ordinated shirts, Union Card, democrat talking points and the hordes of network media cameras…

TN Mom on August 4, 2009 at 3:00 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Ann…..FO….just sayin’

t on August 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Didn’t you bloviate the same things on the other thread?

Classic Statist double standards at work:

When ACORN AstroTurfs, that’s fine
When Conservatives protest O’crap care, that’s wrong

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Acting like angry old people storming the Townhalls is going to really turn people off.”–AnninCA

AnninCA says that old people should just STFU and die. Wobbling there, testing the waters, hoping to influence people to agree with her/it.

Old people lose their human dignity along with their human rights because Obama took office. Another illegitimate Obama postulation.

Do recall, these protesters of all ages have been writing and calling their representatives already many times over, and so far as Democrats are concerned, to no avail in getting their legislators to promise to vote against government involved health care. They have every reason to be angry already. Topping it off with name calling only makes them more determined than ever to STOP Obama’s CHANGE.

Those who deny the elderly respect are so unattractive.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Seems to me that the lobbyists have spent millions and millions on defeating healthcare, and it’s paying off.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:54 PM

You say it is a disaster, then you say the defeat is coming from lobbyists…so you are swayed by the lobbyists?

right2bright on August 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM

On Thursday, a national “grassroots” coalition called Health Care for America Now (HCAN) will march on Capitol Hill to demand universal healthcare

These bastards are demanding? They have no idea of the frustration and anger they’re going to release across America.

Keep it up. Backfire and then severe blowback.

darwin on August 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM

the Nazi allusion

Even though the Nazis were pro-abortion, gun-control, tax-n-spend, big-gov’t LIBERALS.

jgapinoy on August 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM

The same people who spent 8 years under Bush astroturfing, rebelling, screaming, protesting, disrupting, throwing pies, interjecting political screeds at every and any opportunity publicly and privately, and “organizing and mobilizing” – using the same tactics only in a well-funded top-down, point-and-march fashion – are now crying about having to deal with grassroots political opposition?

And the people voicing their rightfully angry opinions are “mobs” and “astroturfers” and “dangerous?”

The Democratic left spent decades making this bed and perfecting the art of OUTRAGE!@! and the last eight years (2 with their boys in Congress) implementing it, and now that the counterculture has become the mainstream, look at how they react the formation and organization of the new counterculture. They don’t want to sleep in the bed they made and prided themselves on making.

Petty little tyrants, each and every one of them. Their political day of reckoning is coming, and they know it. Their legacy and ambitious “progressive” agenda is in the process of being scuttled. You can’t flip off 49%+ of the nation, tell them they’re getting socialism no matter what they think AND that they’re going to fund it with their blood, sweat and tears, and expect nothing to happen.

“THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE.”

Remember that rallying cry, libs?

You’re the ones who spent eight years screaming it.

Now taste the sweet, sweet karma as we remind you what democracy looks like.

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Acting like angry old people storming the Townhalls is going to really turn people off.”–AnninCA

But Isn’t Dissent Patriotic?

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:07 PM

But Isn’t Dissent Patriotic?

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:07 PM

According to Ann’s talking points … conservative dissent is sponsored by evil insurance companies.

darwin on August 4, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Acting like angry old people storming the Townhalls is going to really turn people off.”–AnninCA

You hope it will, don’t you?

Of course, what you’re really afraid of is that it will work like it did for the Democrats.

Cheers, and we’ll see you in 2010. And 2012. And 2014. And 2016.

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM

The sexism is rampant. She lets all that fly without batting an eye.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Better than coffee, I’ll wager.

VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 3:12 PM

At the gym I saw the closed-captioning on Campbell Brown’s show flash by “Freedom Works blah blah” and knew that CNN had gotten the memo, and dutifully complied.

evergreen on August 4, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Ronnie Earl scammed the Judicial system to oust Tom DeLay in order to redistrict not according to population representation, but to keep the fix enabling non-citizen voter representatives in Congress.

Lloyd Doggett, still grinding that ax, is Obama’s hatchet man in Texas. It takes a JOKER to call senior citizens astroturfers for protesting ObamaCare like Doggett just did to his constituents. This is Longhorn country; the horns on the anti-Doggett poster were wimpy size.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM

AnninCA pimps for La Raza. Her main concern is that illegals get health care at the expense of American citizens.

darwin on August 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM

When unions organize their astroturfed, well-funded protests (complete with mass-printed signs and slogans and t-shirts), why isn’t it called astroturfing? When Democrats protest and organize and transfer $$$ around to their causes online, why is it called “revolutionary?”

Remember all the hoopla the media made about Obama’s “online activism and organization?”

Guess it’s not so vogue anymore now that the opposition is using the Internet to organize, is it?

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM

But Isn’t Dissent Patriotic?

I suppose. It could also be viewed as public disturbance. I am sure nobody is going to arrest anyone, however.

If they want to interfere with people getting a chance to discuss and ask questions, they’ll be allowed to do so. No politician is going to ask that they be physically removed or arrested.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Better than coffee, I’ll wager.

VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Why does she speak in third person?

TXMomof3 on August 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Remember all the hoopla the media made about Obama’s “online activism and organization?”

Guess it’s not so vogue anymore now that the opposition is using the Internet to organize, is it?

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Exactly, the shoe is on the other foot now.

TXMomof3 on August 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM

uh, No….

t on August 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Geez, the other night , I’m walking down Stockton Blvd, and this crazy women comes from out of nowhere, screeching at me about pony money.

Was that you AnninCA?

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:21 PM

If they want to interfere with people getting a chance to discuss and ask questions, they’ll be allowed to do so. No politician is going to ask that they be physically removed or arrested.
AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM

You’re not paying attention. There is no discussion. These Congressman come in and repeat the agreed upon talking points. Many do not allow questions from the audience … only screened, pre-written, pre-approved questions.

If there are floor questions … they don’t get answered, like why isn’t Congress taking the “public option”?

Give it a rest. You’ve been repeating nothing less than the current democrat strategy of painting concerned citizens as “disruptive” egged on by evil insurance companies.

I mean c’mon … do you think we’re that stupid? You’re repeating the same thing Pelosi and Reid say.

darwin on August 4, 2009 at 3:21 PM

I suppose. It could also be viewed as public disturbance.

You mean, like the anti-war marches every summer in NYC that shut half the city down?

That’s not a “public disturbance?”

This is what democracy looks like.

I am sure nobody is going to arrest anyone, however.

Did you catch the videos of the elderly folks at McCaskill’s office being removed by police?

Those grannys were causing a “riot” or something.

This is what democracy looks like.

If they want to interfere with people getting a chance to discuss and ask questions, they’ll be allowed to do so.

Liberals on college campuses never did that, ever, to conservative speakers like Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, Michelle Malkin or Tom Tancredo. They never threw pies or rushed the stage or screamed them down or acted like the “brownshirts” they’re decrying now.

No, never.

This is what democracy looks like.

No politician is going to ask that they be physically removed or arrested.

Removed for what? Asking questions and yelling at their brain-dead congresspeople who aren’t listening to their constituents by towing Obama’s line in DC?

Republicans are getting yelled at as well.

This is what democracy looks like.

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:22 PM

AnninCA pimps for La Raza.
darwin

nailed it

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Those grannys were causing a “riot” or something.

This is what democracy looks like.
Good Lt.

Nonviolent protests reflect the democratic process.

Arresting nonviolent legitimate protesters, particularly old people, is NOT what democracy looks like.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:25 PM

darwin on August 4, 2009 at 3:21 PM

“By invitation only” Townhall Meetings are not legitimate, either.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Those who deny the elderly respect are so unattractive.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM

And yet, dear Ann is so broken up having to “step over” all the sick people who can’t get healthcare…

ladyingray on August 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM

But Isn’t Dissent Patriotic?

I suppose. It could also be viewed as public disturbance. I am sure nobody is going to arrest anyone, however.

If they want to interfere with people getting a chance to discuss and ask questions, they’ll be allowed to do so. No politician is going to ask that they be physically removed or arrested.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM

If the Statists didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have standards at all.

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:28 PM

And yet, dear Ann is so broken up having to “step over” all the sick people who can’t get healthcare…

ladyingray on August 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM

She’s the equivalent of the Nazi leading the masses into the gas chambers and bodies to the ovens.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM

to a raft of lefty blogs to discredit anti-ObamaCare critics and protesters as vicious mobs ginned up by “lobbyist-run groups”

AnninCA.

csdeven on August 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Remember when Barack Obama told his supporters, many of the who organized online, to “go out and get in their faces?”

HOW YOU LIKE US NOW, OBAMACRATS?

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Oh Ann, do send Axeldouche my love…..

t on August 4, 2009 at 3:31 PM

If the Statists didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have standards at all.

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:28 PM

LOL.

They wear standards like decorative jewelry, CHANGE per wardrobe.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Remember when Barack Obama told his supporters, many of the who organized online, to “go out and get in their faces?”

HOW YOU LIKE US NOW, OBAMACRATS?

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Great point! I had forgotten about that one.

darwin on August 4, 2009 at 3:32 PM

She’s the equivalent of the Nazi leading the masses into the gas chambers and bodies to the ovens.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Nice. :-)

ladyingray on August 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM

She’s the equivalent of the Nazi leading the masses into the gas chambers and bodies to the ovens.

Are you Josh Marshall at TPM or something?

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM

If the Statists didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have standards at all.
Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:28 PM

LOL.
They wear standards like decorative jewelry, CHANGE per wardrobe.
maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Maybe I should say that as:

If the Statists didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have ANY standards at all.

But it’s the same idea.

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Nice. :-)

ladyingray on August 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Encore?

So long as AnninCA holds the bullhorn, pistol and electric prodding iron, so long as she lines her pockets with ill-gotten tax funds, she feels smug in her indulgent line of self-defense. “It was my job. I had no choice but to follow Obama’s orders.”

No one bought it from the Nazi. No one’s buying it now.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM

You got it right the first time!

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:41 PM

So long as AnninCA holds the bullhorn, pistol and electric prodding iron, so long as she lines her pockets with ill-gotten tax funds, she feels smug in her indulgent line of self-defense. “It was my job. I had no choice but to follow Obama’s orders.”

No one bought it from the Nazi. No one’s buying it now.

Um, OK. Enough with the Nazi stuff, chums.

It’s disgusting, and it minimizes what the Nazis actually were, which were brutal, psychotic jackbooted killers, and it’s an insult to Holocaust victims who died under them.

Pointing out the rank hypocrisy and double-standards of the Democrats with their own words and deeds is more than adequate.

Yes?

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Those who deny the elderly respect are so unattractive.
maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM

And yet, dear Ann is so broken up having to “step over” all the sick people who can’t get healthcare…

ladyingray on August 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Forget what Ann thinks or says.

Take it from somebody who is one of those old people: a lot of us can still think straight, talk straight, and shoot straight.

Yoop on August 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Remember when Barack Obama told his supporters, many of the who organized online, to “go out and get in their faces?”
HOW YOU LIKE US NOW, OBAMACRATS?
Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Oh yeah, forgot about that too.
But I guess that’s different – same as dissent being patriotic depending which party is in power.

Lies and Double standards – the Statist’s sure have a shallow bag of tricks don’t they?

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM

You got it right the first time!

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:41 PM

You’re right.

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Pointing out the rank hypocrisy and double-standards of the Democrats with their own words and deeds is more than adequate.
Yes?
Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Agreed, that should be more than enough.

Chainsaw56 on August 4, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Take it from somebody who is one of those old people: a lot of us can still think straight, talk straight, and shoot straight.

Yoop on August 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Sweet!

ladyingray on August 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Good Lt 3:34

First, there’s no such thing as spontaneous gatherings. I think the distinction we’re getting at is whether in the ‘modern world’ there’s any distinction between actual grassroots organizing and astroturf rent-a-riots put together purely for media consumption by monied special interest groups. The two categories often bleed into each other. But in broad strokes they’re fairly distinguishable. To the extent that there’s ‘no meaningful distinction’ in the modern world, that’s almost entirely a factor of reporters doing their jobs poorly.

With these anti-reform rioters, I think there’s a blend of the two at work. But that’s a question for more reporting.
Josh Marshall

1) No, I am not.
2) When did I ever make reference to anti-reform rioters? Never. I advocate strong, peaceful/non-violent demonstrations.
3) When a legislator at a Townhall meeting stupidly refuses to answer a question he knows is going to be asked with the best information at his disposal, as is his duty to his constituents, that legislator deserves the public ire and ballot wrath that he spawns.

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Take it from somebody who is one of those old people: a lot of us can still think straight, talk straight, and shoot straight.

Yoop on August 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Sweet!

ladyingray on August 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM

AND VOTE SMART!

maverick muse on August 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM

1) No, I am not.
2) When did I ever make reference to anti-reform rioters? Never. I advocate strong, peaceful/non-violent demonstrations.
3) When a legislator at a Townhall meeting stupidly refuses to answer a question he knows is going to be asked with the best information at his disposal, as is his duty to his constituents, that legislator deserves the public ire and ballot wrath that he spawns.

Calm down – it was a joke and a rib at Josh Marshall.

But in seriousness, I don’t think calling Democrats Nazis is either accurate or good politics. We can beat them on issues and on their own rhetoric – it doesn’t mean you can’t be angry. It just means that they’re not psychopathic jackbooted anti-Semitic killers who throw people into death camps. They’re not, and it diminishes the evil of the Nazis to equate the two.

That’s all.

Good Lt on August 4, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Look, as long as we’re getting tarred as brownshirts, Nazis and bullies…how about we lurk on some of these bast*ards and kick their @sses? Or maybe just tickle their feet? Besides, I’d like to see what color that little metrosexual Howard Dean paints his toes.

PD Quig on August 4, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Indeed, this emulation of ACORN and SEIU must stop.

How dare the opposition copy the Community Organizers methods!

Oxybeles on August 4, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Lest we forget :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0

sigh

pambi on August 4, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Careful there AnninCa, there are some angry old people living next door to you and your wife.

dragondrop on August 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Careful there AnninCa, there are some angry old people living next door to you and your wife.

If they are as cranky as those on this u-tube, I doubt we’re going to be chatting it up anytime soon. :)

Seriously, I’m just commenting that the tactic may backfire. I think it’s great that people are speaking out. They have every right to do so and should.

But the screaming junk? It’s pretty loony-looking. I hate it when I see union folks doing the same.

AnninCA on August 4, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Careful there AnninCa, there are some angry old people living next door to you and your wife.

dragondrop on August 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Yes. I have reached that age where I am expected to be grumpy, stubborn, disoriented, and helpless.

Oh, incontinent, too.

So, am I supposed to punch them out, or pee on them? I await guidance.

Yoop on August 4, 2009 at 4:35 PM

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