Great news: Russian attack subs spotted off east coast of U.S.

posted at 9:55 pm on August 4, 2009 by Allahpundit

You know what this calls for? An Obama speech in Red Square about the common humanity that unites us in a struggle for blah blah blah blah.

But the collapse of the Soviet Union all but eliminated the ability of the Russian Navy to operate far from home ports, making the current submarine patrols thousands of miles from Russia even more surprising for military officials and defense policy experts.

“I don’t think they’ve put two first-line nuclear subs off the U.S. coast in about 15 years,” said Norman Polmar, a naval historian and expert on submarine warfare…

The submarine patrols come as Moscow tries to shake off the embarrassment of the latest failed test of the Bulava missile, a long-range weapon that was test fired from a submarine in the Arctic on July 15. The failed missile test was the sixth since 2005, and some experts see Russia’s assertiveness elsewhere as a gambit by the military to prove its continued relevance…

While the submarines had not taken any provocative action beyond their presence outside territorial waters of the United States, officials expressed wariness over the Kremlin’s motivation for ordering such an unusual mission.

“Any time the Russian Navy does something so out of the ordinary it is cause for worry,” said a senior Defense Department official who has been monitoring reports on the submarines’ activities.

A few possibilities off the top of my head for What This Might Mean in addition to the NYT’s “Bulava missile” theory. (1) Russia wants to see how much The One will let them get away with, just as Biden predicted would happen last year. (2) Russia’s pissed at Biden for his crack a few weeks ago about their economy “withering” and is flexing some muscle in response. (3) Russia’s looking to expand its presence in the western hemisphere more generally, which explains its naval exercises with Venezuela in December. (4) Russia’s gearing up to make another move on Georgia and is putting The One on notice that they’re not to be trifled with when they do. (5) Russia’s got a fee-vah and the only prescription is more bare-chested Putin photos, and a display of military strength in America’s backyard makes for nice optics on the front page tomorrow next to Vlad’s pecs. You’re free to vote for more than one theory — they’re hardly mutually exclusive — but as of right now I’m leaning towards number 4.


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But weren`t those Russian submarines built while Bush was President so Obama can then say he inherited the problem from Bush???

albill on August 5, 2009 at 10:30 AM

I’ll just hang out here in Minnesota, comfortably far away from major cities or anything even remotely worthy of a nuclear strike. Big urban areas are not where you want to be pretty much at any time in peace or war.

Bishop on August 4, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Large cities will become deathtraps in any serious emergency. They are completely incapable of supporting themselves and are totally dependent on infrastructure that would likely be the first things destroyed.

wildcat84 on August 5, 2009 at 10:31 AM

There goes the neighborhood… CAN WE IMPEACH HIM NOW BEFORE THEY HIT US WITH AN ELECTROSTATIC BOMB

CynicalOptimist on August 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM

It is an Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack, not ELECTROSTATIC.

This is the danger. Imagine when Iran gets it’s subs equipped with nukes…
The Russians have bases in Venuzela. Once we are blinded and down is when
Iran will take out Israel.

http://www.heritage.org/research/homelandsecurity/bg2199.cfm

A major threat to America has been largely ignored by those who could prevent it. An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack could wreak havoc on the nation’s electronic systems—shutting down power grids, sources, and supply mechanisms. An EMP attack on the United States could irreparably cripple the coun try. It could simultaneously inflict large-scale damage and critically limit our recovery abilities. Congress and the new Administration must recognize the signifi cance of the EMP threat and take the necessary steps to protect against it.

izoneguy on August 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Jonesy heard them, it sounded like magma displacement.

Jeff from WI on August 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Fly big D! the buckaroos will save the day!

cmsinaz on August 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Russian subs monitor US Navy deployments off east coast installations. USN assets increase presence off US east coast. Reduced assets in CENTCOM.

Russia takes Georgia. Seizes port city of Poti. Seizes BTC pipeline, with Iranian assistance. America twiddles thumbs and “monitors.”

what could go wrong.

ted c on August 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Do the Russians need healthcare too? We’re getting everybody signed up right now… Is ACORN rowing a boat out there to get a few more voters signed up, we sure wouldn’t want those young Russian submariners to be disenfranchised, for it appears those are the only military votes that are worth counting. Ignore the USN voters but the Russkie Navy–heck, sign them up.

Maybe they’re disappointed with the socialism over there–they heard that the Won was doing it better here and they wanted to get some of that.

Or, they’re out there listening to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity broadcasting out of Philadelphia…..

ted c on August 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

I didn’t know Russian Subs were eligible for “Cash for Clunkers”

SmallGovtGuy on August 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea

here ya go liberal343

dave264 on August 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM

I vote for all five but four seems the most likely outcome of this. Someone ought to call Savannah.

gopmom on August 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM

I didn’t know Russian Subs were eligible for “Cash for Clunkers”

SmallGovtGuy on August 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Winner

faraway on August 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM

I didn’t know Russian Subs were eligible for “Cash for Clunkers”

LOL X 1,000,000!

Mutnodjmet on August 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Obama’s response will be to send Clinton out of one of Ted’s party boats.

Hening on August 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Fly big D! the buckaroos will save the day!

cmsinaz on August 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2009-08-02_104885974319077/movies/misc/hunt_for_red_test_us.wav

Jeff from WI on August 5, 2009 at 10:54 AM

***
I think that the U.S. Navy SOSUS (long range under water sonar) system and a U.S. Navy hunter / killer sub probably had the Russki sub “in the crosshairs” long before it got near our coast. And probably had the U.S. Air Force “on call” for backup if needed.
***
This type of action goes on constantly–and our Navy is the best in the world. They just don’t publicize their work.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on August 5, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Love the Russians. Hate the mobs.

faraway on August 5, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I think that the U.S. Navy SOSUS (long range under water sonar) system and a U.S. Navy hunter / killer sub probably had the Russki sub “in the crosshairs” long before it got near our coast. And probably had the U.S. Air Force “on call” for backup if needed.

I have the same take, and I think this information was leaked to let the Soviets know we can track them any time we want.

crash1211 on August 5, 2009 at 11:10 AM

I don’t mind saying this but this scares me to death.

The Russians would rather have stuck needles in their eyes than to do this on Bush’s watch.

Obama, politically speaking has jumped out of a perfectly good airplane wanting us all to go along without parachutes. This man is dangerous as we will soon see. He is much too naive for other aggressive nations not to play cat and mouse with America at the very least. God help us all if these aggressor nations’ have and will implement ulterior motives which would not surprise me in the least. My heads on a swivel with my eyes wide open until things change……and I use that word very loosely.

Tangerinesong on August 5, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Looks like learning Russian is going to pay off!

How do you sink a Russian sub?

Put it in the water!

jdkchem on August 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I didn’t know Russian Subs were eligible for “Cash for Clunkers”

SmallGovtGuy on August 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Winner LOL and Thanks

hillbilly on August 5, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Regarding your 1 – 5 choices, Ed, I choose 6: “All of the above”

jgapinoy on August 5, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Jeff from WI on August 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

unable to access…takes me to amazon

cmsinaz on August 5, 2009 at 11:28 AM

If the Russian subs were spotted, then they weren’t doing their job correctly.

A sub is supposed to be a hole in the ocean. When you are a sub, and you are spotted, you aren’t doing your job right.

thgrant on August 5, 2009 at 11:28 AM

They are just bringing Bill Clinton back from his annual trip.

ChrisB on August 5, 2009 at 11:30 AM

thgrant on August 5, 2009 at 11:28 AM

didn’t turn on the caterpillar….

:-)

cmsinaz on August 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM

This is in prelude to an attack on Honduras by the ousted President supported by Venezuela and Russia.

GunRunner on August 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM

And probably had the U.S. Air Force “on call” for backup if needed.

You mean those 40 year old P-3 aircraft? Sureley they can strip enough parts from the others to keep one flying.

We are still living off investments made one or two generations ago. The rest of the world isn´t standing still.

el gordo on August 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Sub. Spotted.

That’s like… Gun. Misfire.

faraway on August 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Wildcat84

Had a buddy just retire from Special Ops. He stated they project up to 30,000,000 urban fatalities within 6 weeks of an EMP burst 300 miles over the central U.S. The lack of electricity would lead to a lack of potable water. People would die of thirst then dysentery and lack of medical care.

All silicon chips coast to coast would be fried. No lights, no AC, no internet, no sewer, no radio or TV to announce emergency response, no transport (except classic cars, horses and bicycles)… Suddenly, everything, everywhere, would just stop working.

Gallium Arsenide chips in military gear would survive. Even at that, our aircraft, helicopters and ships have a mixture of computers. Some are gallium arsenide based. Some are silicon based. And, a lot of systems are interdependant.

Just think what the Nork’s or Iranians could do with one nuke launched off a ship near our shores.

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 11:43 AM

***
I seem to remember that the P3 aircraft–with its long MAD sub detection boom out the back–also could carry a NUCLEAR DEPTH CHARGE!
***
Sometimes that old 40 year old technology works pretty well. And a WW1 Sopwith Camel biplane still flies twice as fast as the best sub can travel.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on August 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I sound to fatalistic. Someone tell me a joke about how Russian subs have screen doors for ventilation.

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I’ll be some Los Angeles/Seawolf/Virginia class sub is sitting underneath these Russian subs counting the number of times they flush.

Yakko77 on August 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

If the Russian subs were spotted, then they weren’t doing their job correctly.

thgrant on August 5, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Maybe they wanted to be spotted.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 11:43 AM

just read ‘One Second After’, follows a NC family after an EMP….it sure does make you think

cmsinaz on August 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Large cities will become deathtraps in any serious emergency

Off topic alert:
has anyone seen the new reality series “The Colony”?
Interesting and informative….could be timely as well.

Goodeye_Closed on August 5, 2009 at 12:00 PM

cmsinaz

Who’s the Author; and, where did you get it?

Oh, and I’m here in NC next to Ft. Bragg. Far enough away to watch the blast. But close enough to catch the fallout with a baseball glove if there’s a direct attack.

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I can’t think of any reason for Russia to attack us. They know they can take Georgia, the Baltic states, and who knows what else on their border without anyone stopping them.

No need to cripple us or our military to achieve whatever imperial goals they might have.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM

If the Russian subs were spotted, then they weren’t doing their job correctly.

thgrant on August 5, 2009 at 11:28 AM

That’s the point…they wanted to be seen.
Thumb their nose…what are we going to do? Probably complain, then escalate to a stern talking, then the ultimate a “harshly” worded message.

right2bright on August 5, 2009 at 12:07 PM

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 12:02 PM

One second after
by Forstchen, William R.

my husband checked it out at the library and said I had to read it….couldn’t put it down, that’s for sure, used to live in Durham

cmsinaz on August 5, 2009 at 12:08 PM

That’s the point…they wanted to be seen.
Thumb their nose…what are we going to do? Probably complain, then escalate to a stern talking, then the ultimate a “harshly” worded message.

right2bright on August 5, 2009 at 12:07 PM

No, after stern talking would come concessions from us. A harshly worded message would be too belligerent for this Administration.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM

I can’t think of any reason for Russia to attack us. They know they can take Georgia, the Baltic states, and who knows what else on their border without anyone stopping them.

No need to cripple us or our military to achieve whatever imperial goals they might have.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM

It’s not to attack us, it is to show they can do what they want with impunity.
If we can’t keep them off our very coast, we ain’t doin sh*t in Georgia.
Basically, Obama is Putin’s bitch…

right2bright on August 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM

When you are a sub, and you are spotted, you aren’t doing your job right.
thgrant on August 5, 2009 at

Perhaps they wanted to be seen. Nothing to fear from Obama and they could actually gain a lot from poking at us and stirring the pot in the US

Goodeye_Closed on August 5, 2009 at 12:10 PM

No, after stern talking would come concessions from us. A harshly worded message would be too belligerent for this Administration.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Of course you are correct, perhaps a threat of a harshly delivered message.
Putin is just off the coast marking his territory…Obama is his bitch, and Putin is peeing where he wants.

right2bright on August 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM

I am being held up by the word “b*tch”. They are reviewing my messages.
What I stated in a couple is that Obama is Putin’s b*tch, and Putin is just marking his territory.
The advantage of being the alpha-dog.

right2bright on August 5, 2009 at 12:13 PM

I lived through the cold war and was a soldier at “the Fulda Gap” in Germany (AAA). So here’s a serious question:

Could this possibly (maybe not likely) be a prelude to something? A scouting mission or pre-staging for something about to happen in some part of the world that they know about and we don’t?

Goodeye_Closed on August 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM

cmsinaz

Thanks! I’ve lived in Durham three times myself!

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 12:18 PM

right2bright

You spelled it wrong. It doesn’t have an asterisk.

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 12:20 PM

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 12:18 PM

:-)

cmsinaz on August 5, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I lived through the cold war and was a soldier at “the Fulda Gap” in Germany (AAA). So here’s a serious question:

Could this possibly (maybe not likely) be a prelude to something? A scouting mission or pre-staging for something about to happen in some part of the world that they know about and we don’t?

Goodeye_Closed on August 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM

It might be another test of Obama’s passivity.

I’m a bit surprised Russian hasn’t already moved to seize territory from at least one neighbor.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 12:49 PM

It might be another test of Obama’s passivity.

I’m a bit surprised Russian Russia hasn’t already moved to seize territory from at least one neighbor.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 12:49 PM

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 12:49 PM

It might be another test of Obama’s passivity.

I’m a bit surprised Russian Russia hasn’t already moved to seize territory from at least one neighbor.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM

right2bright
jazz_piano

I’d like to see Putin and Obama in fist fight. Putin was an Olympic caliber judo champ. I can see Obama now hitting Putin with a basketball and then running. Putin would run him down and give him a ghetto beatdown.

They could throw in Biden to help Obambi “out.” Putin would pull his hair out. Matter of fact they could throw in Bill and Hillary. Hildabeast would put up a better fight than Bill. Throw in Kerry. He would run away after the first scratch and apply for a purple “heartless.” Do you see a trend among Democratic “men?”

But, if you put up Mc”cane,” he would at least give it the old Navy try. Bush would scrap too to no avail.

Sarah would shoot his a** from 300 yards with a 30-06 and not even mess up her makeup.

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 1:07 PM

It might be another test of Obama’s passivity.

I’m a bit surprised Russia hasn’t already moved to seize territory from at least one neighbor.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM

It’s coming. Georgia was a test run to gauge international reaction and internal military readiness. The former was lukewarm enough even under Bush, and our current spineless excuse for a POTUS will be even worse. The latter seemed IMHO to be pretty good…

Dark-Star on August 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM

right2bright

You spelled it wrong. It doesn’t have an asterisk.

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 12:20 PM

After they reviewed the context, they let my other two posts go through with the correct spelling.
Either way, Obama is a doormat.
The problem with that is: passive, passive, passive, then over reaction.
It is important for your enemies to know what you are are capable, and are consistent in…Obama is erratic, which will cause us great trouble.

right2bright on August 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM

You know what this calls for?

A bare chest contest with the Vlad.

World can phone in their votes.

Sir Napsalot on August 5, 2009 at 1:15 PM

not surprised at all. after biden shooting his mouth off about the russians being weak the other day what did anyone expect? always remember, russia is never as strong as you think and its never as weak as you think. but mr foreign policy has shit for brains and doesnt realize his words as VP have consequences now, not just senatorial hotair.

chasdal on August 5, 2009 at 1:19 PM

right2bright

I concur.

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM

It’s as if all of our enemies–seen and unseen–are lying in wait. But for what?

baldilocks on August 4, 2009 at 10:11 PM

For the downfall of America. Remember the book Obama was reading…something about A Post-America World…?

The RED team work together. The O-admin asked for the display.

As Jayne Cobb would say, “Now, that there’s exactly the kind of diversion we could have used.”

They are looking for a rally-round-the-flag-boys effect, to distract from their current losing ground.
Won’t get it this time. We are already rallying, and it ain’t around the RED flag.

Peggy Snow Cahill on August 5, 2009 at 1:22 PM

I think that the U.S. Navy SOSUS (long range under water sonar) system and a U.S. Navy hunter / killer sub probably had the Russki sub “in the crosshairs” long before it got near our coast. And probably had the U.S. Air Force “on call” for backup if needed.

Why, flyover photo op?

NickelAndDime on August 5, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Jonesy heard them, it sounded like magma displacement.

Jeff from WI on August 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

My thoughts exactly, he probably picked them up passing Thor’s Twins

NickelAndDime on August 5, 2009 at 2:07 PM

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Tim Burton on August 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Why is this news? Boy, anything to attack Obama huh? Did they enter U.S. waters? No. Did they pose any threat? No. What should we do, sink em? Shut the F up you idiots.

Terry Silver on August 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Why is this news? Boy, anything to attack Obama huh? Did they enter U.S. waters? No. Did they pose any threat? No. What should we do, sink em? Shut the F up you idiots.

Terry Silver on August 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM

OK, put the clueless pill bottle down and slowly walk away. Let me try to explain to you.

Let’s suppose I pick up my 12 guage 1100 shotgun and strap my 357 on my hip and put on the body armor under my shirt. They I take a stroll through my supermarket. I suppose you would tell those complaining about that “Shut the F up you idiots.”

Please answer yes or no.

I know that the followers of the community organizer are a little challenged in international issues and the military.

Our Los Angelos attack subs carry torpedo launched antiship missiles as well as a dozen or so Tomahawk cruise missiles each capable of a multi kiloton warhead. A probable mission would be a decapitating strike. Not that they are going to do it, but the threat is the same as if I were to visit my supermarket in the manner I mentioned above.

We have a jugears in chief who can’t even handle a simple rescue of a merchant captain without screwing that up. That was against a bunch of semi literate pirate kids. Now he’s up against the best of the russian navy.

BTW genius. Take a look at the flight distances of cruise missiles. It doesn’t matter if the “Entered US Waters or not”. If I start setting up a Barret Light fifty across the street from a shopping center it doesn’t matter a rat’s stinking heini if I “Entered the shopping center property” or not.

Another clueless Obamite… God Save us.

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 3:00 PM

BTW folks, rememember Sun Tzu. The ones you are tracking aren’t the real problem. It’s the ones you aren’t tracking.

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Bullseye,
That analogy is wildly inaccurate. Russian subs steaming well off our coast is not a threat in the same manner as you walking through the super market heavily armed.

exhelodrvr on August 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Sarah would shoot his a** from 300 yards with a 30-06 and not even mess up her makeup.
trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Exactly.

Kevin71 on August 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Explain to me, idiot, how would you respond to another countries sub that never entered your waters. God, if it was up to somebody like you everything would be a provocation worthy of a military response. Thank God that isn’t the case.

Terry Silver on August 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM

gOODBYE,
“Could this possibly (maybe not likely) be a prelude to something?”

Theoretically. But the far more likely answers are either

1) that they have never stopped doing this, and either weren’t located, or were located and it wasn’t publicized.

2) That they are “showing the flag”

exhelodrvr on August 5, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Bullseye,
That analogy is wildly inaccurate. Russian subs steaming well off our coast is not a threat in the same manner as you walking through the super market heavily armed.

exhelodrvr on August 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Thank you, that was going to be my second point. You spoke of somebody entering your supermarket. Now that is a direct threat similar to entering someones coastal waters. This was nothing like that, which makes your point retarded. So again, shut the F up.

Terry Silver on August 5, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Why is this news? Boy, anything to attack Obama huh? Did they enter U.S. waters? No. Did they pose any threat? No. What should we do, sink em?

Terry Silver on August 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM

I didn’t see anyone here suggesting a military response.

The point is that a leader who sends signals of weakness or naivete is going to be tested, as Biden predicted.

I don’t know what to make of the Russian subs, but these days I fear for Georgia, the Baltic states, South Korea, and Israel. Let’s hope my fears are unfounded.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I didn’t see anyone here suggesting a military response.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 3:38 PM

By military response, I meant attacking the Russians, and I didn’t see anyone here suggesting that.

jazz_piano on August 5, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Turd Sliver

The proximity to our coast reduces response time — We probably wouldn’t get a shot off to stop the first salvo if our Los Angeles were right behind them — which they are.

They are just doing a little elint, chasing our boomers, testing our defenses, or, practicing launch exercises on their way to joint manoeuvers with our new brothers in Cuba and Venezuela. By the way, other parts of their fleet are exercising with Iran right now.

I’m not worried about it. But, just to let you know: SSBN suppresed trajectory launch at that range 6 minutes to Armageddon. Akula’s with high speed cruise missiles at that range: you will have time to take that last drink and get a smoke in as you chant Hope and Change!

The ultimate meaning of all this: We don’t know. Allah raised possibilities. I say #4. We are just counting possibilities after years with no known Ruskie SSN’s off our coast.

Repeat after me: They are doing world wide simultaneous exercises with a lot of our enemies who Obama thinks are peachy keen.

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Bullseye,
That analogy is wildly inaccurate. Russian subs steaming well off our coast is not a threat in the same manner as you walking through the super market heavily armed.

exhelodrvr on August 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Oh yeah, never mind, the fact that if they offload their torps, they can carry 40 plus tube launched missiles means they are no threat. What would that be?? no more than 20 megatons total.. If they were low yield tactical, then it’s a mere 200KT or so total.

They are undoubtably in international waters. .. Just like we were in the Gulf of Libyia when Hank Kleeman bagged his mig.

I also caught a news article that the Sovs.. er Russians were doing some surface ship exercises in our backyard.

I’m just glad we have a guy at the helm with experience. .. You know trading mansions for control of a hospital board, community organizing, voting present etc.

I just hope someone is briefing the teletubbies properly.

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Why is this news? Boy, anything to attack Obama huh? Did they enter U.S. waters? No. Did they pose any threat? No. What should we do, sink em?

Terry Silver on August 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Uh, yeah, I guess you’re right Terry. Major Russian sub maneuvers off our coast, which they rarely have done in recent history, really aren’t news.

Did anyone hear what Bo the dog is up too today…digging in the garden?!?!

NickelAndDime on August 5, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Explain to me, idiot, how would you respond to another countries sub that never entered your waters. God, if it was up to somebody like you everything would be a provocation worthy of a military response. Thank God that isn’t the case.

Terry Silver on August 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Dunno if you are talking to yourself or not here.

Anyway, do you understand that one of the great national pastimes of the Russians is….. Chess??

This is a case of moving that little horsie guy in front of the pawn in front of the king and seeing what we do.

Of course, with the jugeared jackass moving our pieces, I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled off a ‘fools checkmate”.. How many moves does that take??

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

NickelAndDime

What’s that: Bo’s digging a fallout shelter!

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Thank you, that was going to be my second point. You spoke of somebody entering your supermarket. Now that is a direct threat similar to entering someones coastal waters. This was nothing like that, which makes your point retarded. So again, shut the F up.

Terry Silver on August 5, 2009 at 3:18 PM

So, if I stand on the public sidewalk like that, you won’t be wetting your thong when you drive into the parking lot in your prius??

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Were the russian submariners “well dressed”?

farright on August 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Terry Sliver

Terry: out in international water we don’t call home for the need to shoot. This is an escalation of tensions. Look back at the Sosus tapes of the U.S. Scorpion sinking. Some experts believe the Soviets sank her in response to their belief we sank their Kilo class sub off Hawaii. You know the one the Glomar Explorer later tried to, or in fact, did raise from the ocean floor. There evidently was, either, a circular run of one of our own torpedoes or a Soviet sub killed her while tailing their fleet.

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Scene
Date Dec 6 1941.
Location War Room Pentagon

Admiral: We’ve just received a report that a Jap (using 40′s lingo) task force comprised of 4 carriers and a bunch of battleships including a Yamato Class BB are heading toward the Hawaiin Islands

Terry Sliver (Aide to FDR) Shut the f up you idiot?? Are they in our waters?

Admiral No,

Terry Sliver So where are they you war mongering idiot

Admiral, they are currently 325 nautical miles from Pearl

Terry Sliver Oh Shut the f up you moron, they aren’t anywhere near our waters

Admiral The four flattops carry enough airplanes to cause a disaster for us

ExBiplaneDriver Oh you idiot, they aren’t any kind of threat like you are describing

Terry Sliver Yeah, Shut the f up idiot and let me go back to my Latte

Next Day

AIR RAID PEARL HARBOR, THIS IS NO DRILL

Yeah, there are lots of times when fleets cruise by and nothing happens, then there are the other times.

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

That’s right, bullseye. And Russian airliners fly into D.C., New York, Los Angeles every day. So if they are going to attack us, why do it with subs?

Are you seriously comparing the situation between the U.S. and Russia today, to the situation between the U.S. and Japan prior to Pearl Harbor?

Just curious, do you think that the moon landing actually happened?

exhelodrvr on August 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM

NickelAndDime

What’s that: Bo’s digging a fallout shelter!

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Absolute CLASSIC!!!!

Sweet_Thang on August 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM

That’s right, bullseye. And Russian airliners fly into D.C., New York, Los Angeles every day. So if they are going to attack us, why do it with subs?

Minor nitpick, but none of those airliners are made with the sole purpose of destruction. Attack subs…are.

Dark-Star on August 5, 2009 at 6:15 PM

bullseye,
trollkiller,

Pearls, swine…you know.

baldilocks on August 5, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Ed, er, Allah:

If I said anything to over the top. I make my sincerest apology!

trollkiller on August 5, 2009 at 6:19 PM

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The proximity to our coast reduces response time — We probably wouldn’t get a shot off to stop the first salvo if our Los Angeles were right behind them — which they are.
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it would take a heck of a torp to catch an akula once it steps on the gas assuming a stern shot.we have some torps in that class but you would have to be real close. it is like the man and ferrarri race

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 7:10 PM

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That’s right, bullseye. And Russian airliners fly into D.C., New York, Los Angeles every day. So if they are going to attack us, why do it with subs?
endquote

ok lets look at that assumption

an airline scenario has a couple of problems

1 it would be a suicide mission which the russkies aren’t real big on

2 if you just stuck a nuke on a plane with an unsuspecting pilot you can’t target very well for a decapiating strike. ..unless you think the airports are located at 1600 pennsylvania ave.. or unless you go say 5 to 10 mts in an airburst

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM

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Are you seriously comparing the situation between the U.S. and Russia today, to the situation between the U.S. and Japan prior to Pearl Harbor?

endwuote

my bad..I forget how putie loves america . …. how well behaved russia has been … their wonderful human rights record (no journalists getting capped) .. yeah dumb old me

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Canadians have had experience with this for ages. It’s an old tactic and one that is serious. The Russians want to seize control of whatever territory they can. Yes, Canada forced the Russians out from their northern seas. The Russians now know what technology we have and just how much it is linked with the US for detecting them. They’ve been controlling those waters for years before we noticed. They’re doing the same thing with the US. If they can seize control, they will. However, they do have a need for machoism. Better hope that’s all it is. The fact that they were seen seems to indicate that they wanted to be detected.

MrX on August 5, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Ohh, noooo. Commie subs off Georgia’s coast? WOW. I need to drive over there (4 miles) and look out to sea and see if I can see the hammer and sickle. Hmmm. Maybe Obama’ll invite the captain and crew ashore so he can talk to them and persuade them to give up their mean nasty submarine too.

bradley11 on August 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

bullseye,

Take off the tinfoil hat and put on your thinking cap. If they were serious about a disabling strike, they could simply unload cargo from a commercial flight at any number of airports. There are no other indications of raised security levels for the Russians.

What does Russian human rights have to do with this? Completely unrelated.

The fact is that you are wildly overreacting to this.

exhelodrvr on August 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM

A major threat to America has been largely ignored by those who could prevent it. An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack could wreak havoc on the nation’s electronic systems—shutting down power grids, sources, and supply mechanisms. An EMP attack on the United States could irreparably cripple the coun try. It could simultaneously inflict large-scale damage and critically limit our recovery abilities. Congress and the new Administration must recognize the significance of the EMP threat and take the necessary steps to protect against it.

izoneguy on August 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

EMP would kill at least 50 percent of the country either immediately or over time. We’d be f***cked sideways if that was the case.

You can also forget about worrying about that sorta thing while Obama and the Democrats are in charge.

It wouldn’t take much to prepare for an EMP attack… but congress is sitting on it’s a** in that regard.

I miss the old federalist slogan: Millions for defense, not a penny for tribute. Now it’s ‘Trillions for Stimulus but pennies for defense’.

It would be pretty simple in point. You could take academic measures that would cost a few billion. Sounds like a bit much, but seeing that we’re spending trillions on bailouts and stimuli it wouldn’t be much, and it would actually provide actual shovel ready jobs.

But seeing that we can’t cough up 120 some odd million dollars to fund the F22 production lines… yeah, we’re screwed.

Chaz706 on August 5, 2009 at 8:56 PM

all you need to know is the Russian Navy is a joke

/sarc

CWforFreedom on August 5, 2009 at 9:03 PM

The fact is that you are wildly overreacting to this.

exhelodrvr on August 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Yep, and if Kimmel had been able to put out some decent patrols the Arizona might have been scrapped after the war for razor blades, and not ended up as a tomb for a 1000+ Americans.

I can’t overreact to anything. Last I checked, I don’t have control of a single Orion, Carrier, Sub or helo.. However, as I stated earlier, having a “Community organizer” in charge makes me leery of him getting maneuvered into a “fools Mate” by old KGB Putin. The only thing saving us would be that Putin would be laughing his arse off.

I would love for a chance to interview our jugears in chief as to the capabilities of the Akula and it’s weapons systems and the capabilities we have that are public knowledge. The lamestream media made a big deal out of a setup interview with Palin. I would love to see how Jugears would fare except that it would just give Putin, the gargoyle and achmarhidinan too much confidence.

bullseye on August 5, 2009 at 9:44 PM

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