Tax revenues still crashing

posted at 2:55 pm on August 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

No wonder Barack Obama delayed the release of the budget numbers after the second quarter.  The Associated Press took a look at the revenue side, and it’s disastrous.  Revenue continues to fall far short of expectations, which means that the budget deficits predicted will expand even further:

The recession is starving the government of tax revenue, just as the president and Congress are piling a major expansion of health care and other programs on the nation’s plate and struggling to find money to pay the tab.

The numbers could hardly be more stark: Tax receipts are on pace to drop 18 percent this year, the biggest single-year decline since the Great Depression, while the federal deficit balloons to a record $1.8 trillion.

Other figures in an Associated Press analysis underscore the recession’s impact: Individual income tax receipts are down 22 percent from a year ago. Corporate income taxes are down 57 percent. Social Security tax receipts could drop for only the second time since 1940, and Medicare taxes are on pace to drop for only the third time ever.

The AP also supplies this interesting graphic:

The big takeaway on this graph is the difference between corporate and individual tax revenues at various points on the economic cycle.  Despite the oft-repeated canard that the Bush administration favored big business, the biggest increases in corporate tax revenue in the last generation came during the Reagan and Bush years.  During most of the Clinton administration, individual tax revenues rose faster than corporate tax revenues.  That is remarkably true during the peaks of economic growth in 1984-5 and 2004-7.

With revenues dropping and with businesses struggling, those rosy deficit projections made in the first months of the Obama administration will crash on the rocks of economic reality.  That’s why Obama wanted those numbers hidden during July, when he hoped to get his ObamaCare bill passed.  The AP quotes William Gale at the Tax Policy Center as noting that the lack of recovery would mean that no one’s domestic agenda stands a chance of passing, as the money won’t exist.  Obama knows this and hoped to get it passed before people realized that the money already has disappeared.

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Actually, not that horrible for a depression.

corona on August 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM

But…but…but…he inherited this.

Doughboy on August 3, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Cupcakes!

daesleeper on August 3, 2009 at 2:57 PM

DUH!!
Anyone with half a brain and the ability to balance a checkbook could figure that out. The only thing I would quibble with is the estimated 1.8 trillion dollar deficit. Won’t the actual deficit be larger due to the actual decrease in revenue, as opposed to the projections of the Administration?

txmomof6 on August 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM

what a scumbag in chief….just a total LIAR!

This guy is really starting to make me sick…he knows how stupid most folks are and how brainwashed they are by the lib media and he is playing, now attempting to play, all of us for fools…..

SDarchitect on August 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Actually, not that horrible for a depression.

LMAO!!!!!

SDarchitect on August 3, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Hey, haven’t you heard? Sunny skies ahead! The worst is over! Start using your credit cards again!

PBoilermaker on August 3, 2009 at 3:00 PM

If corporate tax recipes fall far enough, can we scrap the corporate profit tax as ‘revenue neutral’?

Count to 10 on August 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Hey look – someone is finally noticing that some banks are in line for the last of the FDIC money.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10561679/1/corus-colonial-on-the-brink.html

Vashta.Nerada on August 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM

DUH!!
Anyone with half a brain and the ability to balance a checkbook could figure that out. The only thing I would quibble with is the estimated 1.8 trillion dollar deficit. Won’t the actual deficit be larger due to the actual decrease in revenue, as opposed to the projections of the Administration?

txmomof6 on August 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM

It could very well top $2 trillion. And inevitably, Obama and the Dems will suddenly revise the amount of the deficit they “inherited”.

Doughboy on August 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Palin is getting divorced!!!!

LibTired on August 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Yoda: John Galt who is?

Chainsaw56 on August 3, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Too bad Obama didn’t inherit some economic sense along with the economy…
It reminds me of a bus going down a steep winding mountain road and losing it’s brakes…the driver yell’s out “I am putting the gas on so we get down the hill faster, that way there won’t be enough time for an accident to happen”.

right2bright on August 3, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Again, the question must be asked: If Obama’s stated goal was the total destruction of our economy, what would he do differently?

califcon on August 3, 2009 at 3:04 PM

The personal tax revenues are down because almost everyone bho has named don’t pay any.
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letget on August 3, 2009 at 3:05 PM

DUH!!
Anyone with half a brain and the ability to balance a checkbook could figure that out. The only thing I would quibble with is the estimated 1.8 trillion dollar deficit. Won’t the actual deficit be larger due to the actual decrease in revenue, as opposed to the projections of the Administration?

txmomof6 on August 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM

It depends on which variation of enronesque accounting methods the administration uses to revise old numbers, as well as which variation will be used on current numbers.

ICBM on August 3, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I demand we spend more money to reduce the deficit.

rob verdi on August 3, 2009 at 3:06 PM

“I’m John Galt and so is my wife!”

PackerBronco on August 3, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Ed, I can’t believe you don’t realize the obvious: it’s not the administration in charge, it’s CONGRESS and who controls it. Same mistake so many others make.

That’s why 2010 could turn out to be every bit as important as 2012; maybe more so.

michaelo on August 3, 2009 at 3:06 PM

This is higher math, I know, but maybe Timmy Terrific & Co. can take it from here.

Taxable Income x Tax Rate = Government confiscated revenue

Gross Income – Confiscated Tax Revenue = Investable Funds

Raising the Tax Rate reduces Investable Funds, reducing Taxable Income, reducing the Government Confiscated Revenue.

In our economy, the Government acts much like a leach acts in nature. Taxpayers are the Host. Money is the blood of an economy. When a leach takes to much blood, the host dies. The leach soon follows the host.

The Host in the economy is struggling but the economy’s leach thirsts for more and more money. The story doesn’t end well for anyone if this trend continues.

EconomicNeocon on August 3, 2009 at 3:07 PM

no one’s domestic agenda stands a chance of passing, as the money won’t exist.

Pffft….the feds can just print more. How can all the money be gone when the Treasury presses still have paper?

National enslavement at the hands of the stupidest people in our society doesn’t bode well for social cohesion. You urban dwellers might want to have an escape plan and a gun.

Bishop on August 3, 2009 at 3:07 PM

I would’ve thought tax revenues would be up this year with all of the Obama appointments finally paying off their tax bills.

PackerBronco on August 3, 2009 at 3:07 PM

What morons.
What I find hilarious about this is instead of trying to look at the whys and the big picture, which would be spending like Democrats on crack, Geithner is talking about taxing everybody.

ORconservative on August 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM

No wonder Barack Obama delayed the release of the budget numbers after the second quarter.

..serious inquiry: have they released the interim report yet? You know the one they were withholding because of the health care reform.

Thanks in advance for the answer.

VoyskaPVO on August 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM

If tax revenues were up, y’all would be complaining too. There is no pleasing you. Why do you all hate America? Support the troops!

Constant Parrhesia on August 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM

“Revenue patterns reveal Democratic canards.”

Do I look fat in these jeans………?

Seven Percent Solution on August 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM

EconomicNeocon on August 3, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Well, government doesn’t quite act the way Marx thought the rich act in the economy, but that’s mostly due to Marx not understanding economics.

Count to 10 on August 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Unfortunately, Democrats (or Statists as I so fondly call them), believe that you have to spend money to fix the economy. As Jolting Joe noted, “We have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt.” Not sure how that works in your house, but in mine, spending more money does not seem to get me out of the hole. But, then again, that just me: one of the stupid people that, as Andrea Mitchell noted, doesn’t, “know what’s good for me.”

lovedinthekeys on August 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM

If Obama can’t pass his domestic agenda due to a lack of recovery, he’ll get bored with this job much faster than he got bored with being a senator.

myrenovations on August 3, 2009 at 3:11 PM

So many awesome takeaways from that simple, simple graph.

Abby Adams on August 3, 2009 at 3:11 PM

I’m doing what I can to help bring down those revenues. I actually borrowed money against my 401(k) so that I could max out my contribution this year. I will do whatever I can reduce my tax liability as long as the tax and spend types are running the government.

suburbanite on August 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM

myrenovations on August 3, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Frankly, most days I don’t see him lasting past Jan 1st 2010.

ORconservative on August 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM

right2bright on August 3, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Your brilliant metaphor is, sadly, close to the truth!

And as for the charge that it’s the Congress that establishes spending, that is true. However, one of the primary duties of the President is to veto irresponsible legislation. Obama, far from threatening anything of the sort, has been practically begging for even more irresponsibility than even Congress might otherwise have dared.

jwolf on August 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Yoda: John Galt who is?

Chainsaw56 on August 3, 2009 at 3:03 PM

“A is A” brother!

Archimedes on August 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM

In our economy, the Government acts much like a leach acts in nature. Taxpayers are the Host. Money is the blood of an economy. When a leach takes to much blood, the host dies. The leach soon follows the host.

EconomicNeocon on August 3, 2009 at 3:07 PM

In both cases, the only way to save the host is to cut off the supply.

Chainsaw56 on August 3, 2009 at 3:13 PM

If tax revenues were up, y’all would be complaining too. There is no pleasing you. Why do you all hate America? Support the troops!

Constant Parrhesia on August 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Ever heard of Arthur Laffer?

txmomof6 on August 3, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Can we please stop talking about facts and just put up the Joker poster?

Ridicule. (I’m beginning to love Alinsky)

faraway on August 3, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Obama: Then we will just have to tax those that can pay even more. Problem solved!

Ferris on August 3, 2009 at 3:15 PM

I demand we spend more money to reduce the deficit.

rob verdi on August 3, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I demand we borrow more money to pay down the debt.

Daggett on August 3, 2009 at 3:16 PM

ABC has Joker poster comments open with no login required

Happy commenting.

faraway on August 3, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Pffft….the feds can just print more. How can all the money be gone when the Treasury presses still have paper?

National enslavement at the hands of the stupidest people in our society doesn’t bode well for social cohesion. You urban dwellers might want to have an escape plan and a gun.

Bishop on August 3, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Quite right, and yes I am working on that. Chicago will not be the place to be when tha sh&t hits the fan!

Archimedes on August 3, 2009 at 3:17 PM

If tax revenues were up, y’all would be complaining too. There is no pleasing you. Why do you all hate America? Support the troops!

Constant Parrhesia on August 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM

KISS MY BUTT. IT WOULD GREATLY PLEASE ME IF THESE GOONS WOULD LEAVE OFFICE IMMEDIATELY.

NJ Red on August 3, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Be of good cheer! Geithner will do whatever it takes to reduce this deficit.

Except, of course, reducing the size of government.

PackerBronco on August 3, 2009 at 3:18 PM

If tax revenues were up, y’all would be complaining too. There is no pleasing you. Why do you all hate America? Support the troops!

Constant Parrhesia on August 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM

When tax revenues were up due to ‘TAX CUTS’ we complained about republican spending (prescription drug bill etc.).

thomasaur on August 3, 2009 at 3:18 PM

suburbanite on August 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM

We are doing exactly the same thing.

We want to do whatever is possible within the law to cut our tax bill – it’s just a darn shame our accountant is so ethical.

tru2tx on August 3, 2009 at 3:19 PM

That must be why they want healthcare so badly. All that money.

tessa on August 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM

The obvious answer is, just raise taxes.

Obvious to Democrats, that is.

Cicero43 on August 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM

My God, commenting on the joker poster is fun! Thanks for the link.

ORconservative on August 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I notice a couple of things in this graph:

1. Corporate tax receipts lead the personal tax receipts in both timing and direction.

2. Personal tax receipts do not reach bottom until after corporate tax receipts are headed upwards.

So that would suggest that the drop in personal receipts is not finished yet, there is more to go. Geithner says unemployment won’t peak for at least another 12 months (second half of 2010 .. and that is just the PEAK of unemployment, not the recovery from it).

Congress is going to have a really tough time next fall. If things don’t start to turn around in the next 3 or 4 months, Obama is toast and taking the Democrats down with him.

crosspatch on August 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM

2 trillion deficit announced this month. bank on it.

lorien1973 on August 3, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Now Gibbs is saying that Obama will not (in contrast to what Geithner and Burman recently said) raise taxes on the middle class. Now if you believe that I have this bridge…

Christian Conservative on August 3, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Well, government doesn’t quite act the way Marx thought the rich act in the economy, but that’s mostly due to Marx not understanding economics.

Count to 10 on August 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Marx knew little about economics and understood less.

His writings were so twisted, he even believed that man was a creature devoid of free will and choice who did things purely because of his economic structure.

Economically Marx was an idiot.

Chaz706 on August 3, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Obamacare in a nutshell! P’s & Q’s.

http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=ah.vuAG5B4iU

Archimedes on August 3, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Gibbs is the court jester.

ORconservative on August 3, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Soon we will all be rich. Rich being defined as anybody who has money left over from their paycheck after all the new fees, contributions, and taxes are taken out.

Just A Grunt on August 3, 2009 at 3:27 PM

and the hits just keep on coming….

there will be crickets on the MSM with this AP report

have a nice vacation there Obama!

cmsinaz on August 3, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Now Gibbs is saying that Obama will not (in contrast to what Geithner and Burman recently said) raise taxes on the middle class. Now if you believe that I have this bridge…

Christian Conservative on August 3, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Only Congress can raise taxes silly.

faraway on August 3, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Pffft….the feds can just print more. How can all the money be gone when the Treasury presses still have paper?

National enslavement at the hands of the stupidest people in our society doesn’t bode well for social cohesion. You urban dwellers might want to have an escape plan and a gun.

Bishop on August 3, 2009 at 3:07 PM

That reminds me of a lady that was in front of me at the bank. The teller would not cash her check, because the lady was had overdrawn her account; she told the teller that she couldn’t be overdrawn, because she had some checks left.

Johan Klaus on August 3, 2009 at 3:29 PM

That reminds me of a lady that was in front of me at the bank. The teller would not cash her check, because the lady was had overdrawn her account; she told the teller that she couldn’t be overdrawn, because she had some checks left.

Johan Klaus on August 3, 2009 at 3:29 PM

LOL

scary and yet sad….

cmsinaz on August 3, 2009 at 3:29 PM

2 trillion deficit announced this month. bank on it.

lorien1973 on August 3, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Minimum, assuming they do release it. I wouldn’t put it past them to delay until after the socialized medicine bill is voted on.

Vashta.Nerada on August 3, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Minimum, assuming they do release it. I wouldn’t put it past them to delay until after the socialized medicine bill is voted on.

Vashta.Nerada on August 3, 2009 at 3:30 PM

second that…

cmsinaz on August 3, 2009 at 3:31 PM

2 trillion deficit announced this month. bank on it.

lorien1973 on August 3, 2009 at 3:24

Ummm, maybe “bank” on it is not the wisest choice of words!

Corus & Colonial just announced they are no longer viable concerns.

Mattress on it may be a better choice of words. Especially considering if the Dims pass anymore legislation , WE ARE SCREWWWWED!

Archimedes on August 3, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I hope I’ll have some change left over after this guy’s done.

sdd on August 3, 2009 at 3:32 PM

How is it that everyone knows ahead of time this will happen except for liberals.
They consistently believe they can makes us earn and spend more if they tax us to death.
The liberals have one thing going for them.
Every year they have a new voter base of 18 year old liberals.

Locrian on August 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Tax receipts won’t recover for a long long time, if ever, simply because the bursting of the housing bubble has caused a long term change in behavior. People will no longer use their homes as ATM’s and drive the consumer economy. The only way to increase “revenue” is to increase tax rates and as we know the revenue collected will be far below projections. The only way out is for the government to cut spending.

DerKrieger on August 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM

It has become obvious to me that the best investment that I can make during Obamoconics is to buy stock in the paper company that produces currency paper for the Treasury.

chromium on August 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Why do you all hate America? Support the troops!

Constant Parrhesia on August 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Did you support the war in Iraq? Why do you love communism?

Johan Klaus on August 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Vashta.Nerada on August 3, 2009 at 3:30 PM

They;ve already delayed it once. Doing so again looks bad. Very bad.

lorien1973 on August 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM

How does this help MO’s kids?

Hog Wild on August 3, 2009 at 3:35 PM

How many of us will simply decide to earn less? I know I’ve already made that decision. My wife and I make ~$200k together and in Dec, she’s quitting and cutting our salary income to less than half of what it is now. Our cars are paid off. We downsized our home. I’m not playing along with the Marxists. There won’t be any “from each according to his means” from me.

DerKrieger on August 3, 2009 at 3:36 PM

It has become obvious to me that the best investment that I can make during Obamoconics is to buy stock in the paper company that produces currency paper for the Treasury.

chromium on August 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM

It is actually a wood pulp/denim mixture. FYI

Archimedes on August 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I’m going to buy a gun today.

BPD on August 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM

That no tax hikes for the middle class promise is going to get harder and harder to keep.

“Read my lips” didn’t work out so well for the last POTUS who said it.

Bishop on August 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Excellent point about the corporate income tax. Here is a math questions for House Speaker Granny Rictus McBotoxImplants. who last week said health insurers profits were “immoral” (they average a paltry 3.1% of revenue for the large national carriers): Granny, when Democrats have squeezed the last dollar of profits out of corporate America how much should the government expect to receive in corporate income tax?

dlc2 on August 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I hope I’ll have some change left over after this guy’s done.

sdd on August 3, 2009 at 3:32 PM

I think that I will run out of change before all of my hope is gone.

thomasaur on August 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM

How many of us will simply decide to earn less? I know I’ve already made that decision. My wife and I make ~$200k together and in Dec, she’s quitting and cutting our salary income to less than half of what it is now. Our cars are paid off. We downsized our home. I’m not playing along with the Marxists. There won’t be any “from each according to his means” from me.

DerKrieger on August 3, 2009 at 3:36 PM

And there-in lies the heart of “going Galt!”

Archimedes on August 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM

The only way out is the Zimbabwe way. Hyper inflation is the only thing that will save these numbers. There’s not enough money to tax to make up for the short fall.

If we weren’t spending more than we were bringing in, this wouldn’t be as much of a problem. When you are in debt, your options are limited. Maybe we could sell Air Force One.

ThackerAgency on August 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM

They’ve already delayed it once. Doing so again looks bad. Very bad.

lorien1973 on August 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM

The real deficit number is going to look worse.

Vashta.Nerada on August 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Will any of the revenue news make it on my television tonight? I was watching a little of Fox while in the gym and didn’t hear a mention of this.

matthew26 on August 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM

If the socialists manage to pass Obamacare and C&T I want to …what next? What is the next big piece of socialism they will push. We already know that they are relentless and always want to “progress”. I think the next target will be the private retirement industry. Recall that last year Rep. Miller (D-CA) proposed scrapping 401k’s. They aren’t “fair” after all since not everyone can participate and a secure retirement is a “right”. Look out.

DerKrieger on August 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Sorry should have been “I want to know…what next?”

DerKrieger on August 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM

The real deficit number is going to look worse.

Vashta.Nerada on August 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Yeah. But it was practically unheard of to delay it once. Imagine a second time. How would that look at the bond markets?

lorien1973 on August 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM

I’m going to buy a gun today.

BPD on August 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Good luck with that! I went to cabela’s last week and everything I wanted was on back order!

By the is S&W Holdings Corp. stock still up by 70% th?is year

Archimedes on August 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Excellent point about the corporate income tax. Here is a math questions for House Speaker Granny Rictus McBotoxImplants. who last week said health insurers profits were “immoral” (they average a paltry 3.1% of revenue for the large national carriers): Granny, when Democrats have squeezed the last dollar of profits out of corporate America how much should the government expect to receive in corporate income tax?

dlc2 on August 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM

What makes you think the dems are interested in profits for corporations?

ICBM on August 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Imagine a second time. How would that look at the bond markets?

lorien1973 on August 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM

I anticipate the poor Treasury auctions are going to take care of the markets soon. I have witheld investment dollars in anticipation. They may come out with an estimate to be revised later, and hope that the media spin it for them.

Vashta.Nerada on August 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM

How long before the “rich” are taxed 90% again?

BPD on August 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM

From Denninger – very scary stuff if he is right

So what’s going on here?

Simple: An enormous number of banks are holding loans at or close to “par” that really aren’t. They’re holding mortgages at massively-inflated values, even on defaulted properties, and this is why you are not seeing more foreclosure sales – that is, why inventory is being held back. If they sell it the accountants will force recognition of the loss, which will render them instantly insolvent, but so long as they “extend and pretend” they are marking these loans way, way above recovery value. The upshot of this is that these firms’ balance sheet claims on asset values are massively inflated, regulators know it, and they’re intentionally ignoring it.

What do I think?

I believe the FDIC is broke and knows it; that under the law they should have seized these three banks (and many dozens more, including some really big ones) some time ago, but doing so will force them to tap the Treasury “emergency” credit line. They’re well-aware that this could instill quite a bit of panic in the public (never mind Congress!); as such they, along with OTS and OCC are conspiring to (once again) hide the truth and pray for an economic recovery before they are forced to act as the law demanded months or even years ago!

This is nothing more than an attempt to keep this from looking dramatically worse than it already does and keep the “green shoot” lie alive to pump the stock market so that Americans “feel better.” Big banking and other executives are taking advantage of this lie by selling shares into an overheated market.

Hint to Sheila Bair, Tim Geithner, Dugan and Ben Bernanke: It won’t work and you’re going to precipitate a credit and stock market meltdown worse than last fall’s. You may have already passed the point where you are unable to avoid that sort of damage, but if you don’t act now the outcome is virtually assured.

KentAllard on August 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM

If the socialists manage to pass Obamacare and C&T I want to …what next? What is the next big piece of socialism they will push. We already know that they are relentless and always want to “progress”. I think the next target will be the private retirement industry. Recall that last year Rep. Miller (D-CA) proposed scrapping 401k’s. They aren’t “fair” after all since not everyone can participate and a secure retirement is a “right”. Look out.

DerKrieger on August 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Federal bailouts for the wilting MSM is already being considered, so that might be up next. Some of The One’s press/propaganda is starting to falter, by in effect nationalizing them as he has Banks & Autos he might be able to firm up his “base” as it were.

Archimedes on August 3, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I’m going to buy a gun today.
BPD on August 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Buy several – practice diversity with different calibers and types of guns.
They are like golf clubs – you need different types for different functions.

Chainsaw56 on August 3, 2009 at 3:48 PM

By the is S&W Holdings Corp. stock still up by 70% th?is year

Flippin typos! Drat! Drat! Drat!

Archimedes on August 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Another big takeaway from the graph is that the dreaded “Bush tax cuts” resulted in higher tax revenue. But don’t tell that to the Dems, who prefer to squawk in unision “Bush killed the economy!” like the Dodobirds they are.

cackcon on August 3, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Buy several – practice diversity with different calibers and types of guns.
They are like golf clubs – you need different types for different functions.

Chainsaw56 on August 3, 2009 at 3:48 PM

How much does an AR-15 cost?

BPD on August 3, 2009 at 3:51 PM

One solution:

Cut spending.

Obama won’t because he is chicken, AND he likes how the spending makes people dependent.

He and the Dems are dealing drugs, the drugs of easy credit, government debt, money for nothin and chicks for free.

Sapwolf on August 3, 2009 at 3:51 PM

These people, the same ones who ran up the debt that I inherited, are angry because I haven’t paid it all back yet. Can you believe this? That is a joke, but this is who the Republicans are.
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El_Terrible on August 3, 2009 at 3:52 PM

If the socialists manage to pass Obamacare and C&T I want to …what next? What is the next big piece of socialism they will push. We already know that they are relentless and always want to “progress”. I think the next target will be the private retirement industry. Recall that last year Rep. Miller (D-CA) proposed scrapping 401k’s. They aren’t “fair” after all since not everyone can participate and a secure retirement is a “right”. Look out.

DerKrieger on August 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Amnesty would be my guess. I don’t think card check has a prayer of passing, but amnesty could find support from members of the GOP who naively believe that it’ll gain them Hispanic votes.

Of course, if you think people are pissed off over crap-and-betrayed and health care, you ain’t seen nothing yet if Congress and Obama attempt to force amnesty through.

Doughboy on August 3, 2009 at 3:52 PM

How much does an AR-15 cost?

BPD on August 3, 2009 at 3:51 PM

I’d guess around $800 to $1,000. Ammo will cost a lot too.

Any knowledgeable gun posters our there?

Sapwolf on August 3, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Obama knows this and hoped to get it passed before people realized that the money already has disappeared.

Thank God we dodged that bullet…for now.

Pablo on August 3, 2009 at 3:56 PM

If the Tax Policy Center, which is sponsored by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institute, says there is a problem here then you know there has to be for them to open their trap about it.

CommentGuy on August 3, 2009 at 3:56 PM

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