Beck declares victory: Cash for Clunkers website changes terms of use

posted at 8:57 pm on August 3, 2009 by Allahpundit

No surprise that they changed it. The language about your computer becoming government property once you log onto the site went way over the line into Orwellville. But the question I posed on Friday remains: Did the language accurately reflect what the feds were actually doing or was it just a case of a moronic government lawyer trying to cover his legal bases by drafting the language overbroadly? The latter explanation is the simpler one, especially now that we’ve learned the Cash for Clunkers page in question was for dealers, not for the general public; if you’re a government snoop eager to see what America’s downloading, it’s exceedingly strange that you’d target your snooping so narrowly. Jonah Goldberg even tried to nudge Beck on Friday towards treating this as a likely case of government stupidity instead of government malfeasance. Yet, amazingly, in neither of the two clips below is the possibility even entertained that this was a drafting mistake by a lawyer rather than a naked admission of a blockbuster plot by the federal government to spy on Americans’ Internet communications. In fact, by the end of the second clip, the only real question being debated by Beck and his two guests — one of whom is Alex Jones admirer Andrew Napolitano — is how few computers the feds would need access to in order to introduce a worm that would bring everyone’s data files under their microscope. Which neatly explains why they targeted the dealers instead of the public at large: The dealers are but the link to the entire Internet, you see. Wheels within wheels.



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Yikes!

VibrioCocci on August 3, 2009 at 11:39 PM
OK VC…!

How’s yer portfolio doin’…?

A portion of mine is invested in Vanguard mutual funds…
Year to date…VC…!
That’s [YTD] to the uninitiated…!

VEIEX—+49.73
VGENX—+20.89
VGPMX—+45.22

SAY AGAIN…?

Olde soldier sends…

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 12:00 AM

A related satircal piece entitled “Billions of Dollars to Be Burned Under New ‘Cash for Cash’ Program”: http://www.optoons.blogspot.com/ (August 4 entry)

Mervis Winter on August 4, 2009 at 12:04 AM

“…katy on August 3, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Beejeebuss…katy!

I ain’t tryin’ to be no hard arse [English spelling] here…

But I GOTTA TELL YAH…
YER…
You’re tryin’ my gee-damn…patience…!

I’m sorta like “Pickens”…without all the moolah…!
Kiss my grits…!

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Cash for Clunker’s…
… has been an exceptional success…!
Geezer on August 3, 2009

I would have to say “Cash for Clunker’s…” has been an outstanding learning experience.

It has given us an insight to the intellectual capabilities of Obama and his team.

“Cash for Clunker’s…” will be the “bases” that we can all agree on, as a tool for judging Obama’s abilities.

“Cash for Clunker’s…” was expected to last 4 months. They put all their heads together and came up with a dollar amount to cover that 4 months.

They went broke, out of money in 4 days!

They were off by a “factor of 30”

They were off by a 3000%

When Obama say “program X will cost 2 billion dollars” we can now, and the numbers back this up, apply the “factor of 30” rule!

“program X will cost 2 billion dollars” means 2 billion X 30 = 60 BILLION DOLLARS.

So yes in shining the light of day on Obama’s incompetence.

Cash for Clunker’s…
… has been an exceptional success…!

DSchoen on August 4, 2009 at 12:14 AM

How’s yer portfolio doin’…?

Olde soldier sends…

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 12:00 AM

That’s purty impressive, Geezer, but you may want to look into the person who is hijackin’ yer account.

Either that or you’ve got multiple personalities.

On this thread you pretend to be a hillbilly old man, but on a previous thread, you dispense with the fake accents and say this:

My thought would be …

They read the sorry state of the market “just right” and instituted the “Cash for Clunkers” program as precisely the right type of stimulus,that was required, at precisely the right time …?

Geezer on July 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Check your meds, Geezer.

Better get an extra prescription from your doc before the current administration renders you obsolete. We wouldn’t want to lose your interesting persona!

VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Dammit Mervis… I ain’t kiddin’…!

It takes a “kidder” to kid a “kidder”…

Ain’t that right…?

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 12:22 AM

g’nite, Geezer!

VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 12:24 AM

“…Check your meds, Geezer.

Better get an extra prescription from your doc before the current administration renders you obsolete. We wouldn’t want to lose your interesting persona!
VibrioCocci on August 4, 2009 at 12:20 AM

So yah find me intrestin’ VC…?

Actually age has nothin’ to do with it…
Experience is the name of the game soldier…!

It’s often that those that think they’re goin’ to a “knife fight” often lack commin’ up with a god damn gun…!

Hooaaqqqh…!
Pissss…!

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 12:35 AM

You are doing a bad impression of William Faulkner or you are right in the middle of the sound and the fury.

Americannodash on August 4, 2009 at 12:44 AM

“…Americannodash on August 4, 2009 at 12:44 AM

My momma , always told me …I wouldn’t amount to nothin…!

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 12:52 AM

I remember back in the mid ’90s talking to others about this on the internet. We just assumed the government was snooping around. Has nothing to do with “Adolf Bush”, the Patriot Act, etc. What is alarming is how brazen they’re getting about it.

How could any suspicious federal functionary possibly resist? Probably been sniffing since the ’80s.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 4, 2009 at 1:02 AM

Of course, Allahpundit’s good buddy Charles Johnson already declared Beck was out of his mind on this issue, even though the wording of that legal notice authorized the CARS software to dump your entire hard drive to an ACORN database (to assist with performing the census, naturally) if they felt like it, and you’d have no legal recourse.

But at least here we can offer dissenting opinions without being banned for heresy.

The Monster on August 4, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Americannodash on August 4, 2009 at 12:44 AM

Hey… Americannodash…thanks for your concern…!

VC’s…the kinkda jerkbah that doesn’t give a “LARGE LOAD”…
He’s a “winger” …?

Never served…and never will …kinda like the …this is my favorite slogan with respect to the American present day radio yakkers and talkers…!

“THE ROUND MOUND OF DRUG ADDICTED SOUND”… RUSH LIMBAUGH…!

Can you actually imagine having to serve in combat with Rush…?

CAN YOU…?
Actually on the ground with, Rush…?
Oh silly me…!

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 1:14 AM

HJM&J…

I wanna apologize…!

The kinda scum I’ve purveyed and written earlier could get my sorry arse banned…

Banned, mind you…!

I’m born again…!
BORN AGAIN…!

THANK YOU…
THANK YOU …
I’M BORN AGAIN…!!!

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Exactly what has this administration done that would lead us to assume that there is an innocent explanation?

conservativemama on August 4, 2009 at 1:44 AM

“…“.conservative mama on August 4, 2009 at 1:44 AM

Dear Ma,
Innocence is one attribute we will never share…!

Geezer on August 4, 2009 at 1:52 AM

Glenn Beck reminds me of a Kramer quote from Seinfeld:

Am I crazy, Jerry, am I really insane?

Or am I so sane that I just
b l e w
y o u r
m i n d ???

silverfox on August 4, 2009 at 2:20 AM

WAIT! Why didn’t Glenn let that Computer Tech guy REVEAL how to KEEP the government out of your computer? I really want to know.

I agree I’VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS STORY BEFORE. This is freaggin’ creepy.

rednebulastudios on August 4, 2009 at 2:58 AM

It is creepy.. no matter what AP asserts. At what point does it stop being a mistake of some government lawyer, and becomes what we all fear? How far down the road is that. You can’t base the past of relative freedom, to assume you will have it always in the future. That is the POINT of being a conservative.

Noelie on August 4, 2009 at 6:37 AM

Jesus tap dancing Christ

MadisonConservative on August 3, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Why you would even think that glib phrase is funny is beyond me.

fossten on August 4, 2009 at 6:40 AM

journeyintothewhirlwind on August 3, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Kim Komando discussed this on her radio show this weekend. If you don’t know anything about her she’s the computer goddess, OK? Get with it!
Anyway,, she said it was very scary. Did not have a clue as to what it meant and said don’t go there.
http://www.komando.com/

JellyToast on August 4, 2009 at 7:31 AM

Did the language accurately reflect what the feds were actually doing or was it just a case of a moronic government lawyer trying to cover his legal bases by drafting the language overbroadly?

As one who lost absolutely everything due in part to the feds and my own trusting naivete, I now always assume the worst when it comes to government.

So in this case, what do you think is the more wiser, prudent action: assume the worst, or say, “Nah, they’d never do that, would they?”

Rod on August 4, 2009 at 8:06 AM

Oops! WARRENTLESS WIRETAPS!
Blake on August 3, 2009 at 10:06 PM

But the real question is do you support WARRENTLESS WIRELESS WIRETAPS?

Friendly21 on August 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM

Heard on Fox N’ Depends this AM – clunker cars sold=750,000. I don’t know if that figure is correct, but if it is, then, 750,000cars X $4,500@ = $3,375,000,000. Or over 3X more money than in the fund = a lot of dealers being stiffed for a lot of money. Also in same report, most cars bought were Hyundais and Kias.

Friendly21 on August 4, 2009 at 8:16 AM

AP, you’re just jealous…

Privacy statements are drafted by lawyers who understand every word that goes into them. This is not by accident. Lawyers are not paid to allow easy accidents. They are paid to reduce risk through the use of contractual language. By accepting the privacy statement, you accept the contract. Lawyers understand this!

For you to claim otherwise is sheer idiocy.

Never trust the Government… especially when they come right our and state their intentions!

(Keep in mind its also a bunch of lawyers in Congress right now that draft bills to be voted on for laws. But I guess you don’t really believe the language there either!)

dominigan on August 4, 2009 at 8:54 AM

dominigan on August 4, 2009 at 8:54 AM

thats for sure…Beck is right (again)

right4life on August 4, 2009 at 8:57 AM

The cash for clunkers is a 130 page document. Cars are usually sold using a 1 page document. Are these 130 pages blank? Why should this “deal” be biased to purchase of new cars only?

seven on August 4, 2009 at 9:01 AM

They got caught! No further analysis required.
Maintain Defcon 2 until further notice.

Randy

williars on August 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM

It doesn’t matter if the government intended to use it that way. The populace in general will rally behind any pro-privacy cause, for the most part. Since the majority of couch-sitting, American Idol-watching, “moderates” aka Do-not-know repliers on surveys, would believe that it’s a govenment plot, it’s a useful tool to use against the administration. When we can get away with it, and not look like Truthers, we should be insisting that it is a government plot. Just because the left uses lies, doesn’t mean that we should abstain from them. The majority of Americans are too stupid to be trusted with the truth. Want proof? Last November. The Left understands this. Why don’t we?

mabryb1 on August 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM

The Left understands this. Why don’t we?

Because it’s immoral, fascist, indecent, and dis-honorable.

Go to hell.

joshlbetts on August 4, 2009 at 10:56 AM

joshlbetts on August 4, 2009 at 10:56 AM

I hope you enjoy watching your children and grandchildren suffer in socialist slavery, as Medicare hooks you up to the Thanatron because your strep throat infection is too expensive to treat.

Nihil aliud scit necessitas quam vincere – Publilius Syrus

mabryb1 on August 4, 2009 at 11:41 AM

The government language was scary, AND over-reaching. Even if it was for car-dealers and not “averag joe”. Unless, of course, “average-joe” turns out to be a car dealer.

Can’t believe I’m saying this but, um, car dealers are Americans too. And I don’t care what small amount of the population you are, but if you take advantage of a government program handing out free money, that should not mean that the government now owns you.

Wait… what does that sound like?

Jewels on August 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM

And I don’t care what small amount of the population you are, but if you take advantage of a government program handing out free money, that should not mean that the government now owns you.

Wait… what does that sound like?

Jewels on August 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM

(my em – Blacksmith)

It sounds like the very definition of “taking the King’s salt,” for starters. TANSTAAFL!

Blacksmith on August 4, 2009 at 3:21 PM

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