Video: Michelle talks health care, the economy, and Gatesgate on “This Week”
posted at 1:10 pm on August 2, 2009 by Allahpundit
The boss just posted her round-up of the morning’s events (“civil, if slightly strained”) so read that for a recap. Kudos to Stephanopoulos for having her on despite the predictable screeching from the left and for giving her a rare shot at a roundtable discussion. In three years of watching her on Fox, I can’t remember a single case of that happening.
The first clip is the roundtable, the second is the slightly awkward greenroom discussion about Gatesgate afterward. Click the images to watch. If you can’t devote 20 minutes to the first, skip ahead to the last four minutes for the exchange about racial politics and “teachable moments.” Incidentally, shortly before this aired, TurboTax Tim dropped by the set to tell Steph that The One might just have to break his promise and raise taxes on the middle class after all. Surprise.
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These are much more important “Teachable moments” for every officer in the American military who does not want to be guilty of dereliction of duty to his oath of office.
“Taitz’s most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama’s eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren’t valid because of questions surrounding Obama’s constitutional eligibility.
The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook’s former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook’s case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.
WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook’s concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes “merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen.”
Cook told WND: “As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is my duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a ‘natural-born citizen,’ he is not eligible to be commander in chief.”
The new complaint says it seeks Cook’s reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc. [He was apparently fired in retaliation], as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president “from further retaliation for plaintiff’s challenge to the president’s constitutional authority.”"
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Yeah, I would say that implying unemployed folks are lazy because they are collecting unemployment benefits would be a little “insensitive”. And when I say “insensitive” I mean downright idiotic.
But record her on the View. I am sure it will be fun watching her outside of her safe home on Fox News.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Oh yes, Whites have plenty of problems with police. That’s why there are 16.6% of blacks in jail vs. 2.6% of whites.
Yep, whites have it real hard.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Try keeping this little fact in mind. The Gestapo, the KGB and the Stasi were all Law Enforcement Agencies (they were cops). None of them thought they were monsters, they all believed fervently just as you do that they were protecting their respective societies.
Benjamin Franklin would consider today’s Law Enforcement Community far worse than that which he confronted and those that support it unworthy of citizenship in this great republic, it was not for no small reason he said, he who would surrender a little liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Huh? What do you think those figures show?
Man, you are a nut.
progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Another “Obama is not an American!” believer.
Keep going! You’re doing great! Tell the world more about how Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist sleeper cell from Kenya.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Or maybe 16.6 percent of the African-American community simply refuse to abide by even the most basic laws of society.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Let me guess. According to you, blacks are more likely to be criminals.
To me, it shows a massive disparity in our criminal justice system where Blacks are at a disadvantage.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Ya, couldn’t possibly be that having a subculture that elevates criminal behavior to celebrity status has anything to do with it…
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Okey doke. SO, do you think blacks should only be in jail at a 2.6% rate or do you think that whites should be in jail at a 16.6% rate? Which is it in your perfect world?
Who commits most of the violent crimes in the US, anyway? What are the percentages on that? Do you have those numbers handy?
progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Cynthia Tucker is reason # 2,875 not to visit Atlanta. Good lord.
SouthernGent on August 2, 2009 at 8:59 PM
I like how you politely put that and not just come out and say that approximately 1 out of every 5 black men are criminals.
But, ummm, what do you feel is the root cause?
Pray tell.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 9:00 PM
What about the disparities in Nobel science prizes, math and science achievements, …? Who do we blame for that? I’m sure you must have a guilty party in mind. Let us all in on it.
progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM
He told you, moron – culture. Can’t you read?
progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Has anyone researched any correlation between growing up in a broken home and criminal behavior?
flicker on August 2, 2009 at 9:02 PM
All right troll, if you really want to go there.
Why are blacks dispropotionally unemployed vs. any other race?
Why is their high school graduation rate substaintally lower?
Why do they have higher out of wed lock births and abscentee fathers.
Why is their crime rate higher and mostly black on black.
Ask Bill Cosby, he has the answers I would be called a Racist for giving!
dhunter on August 2, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Beautiful surface-level analysis! And by beautiful I mean garbage.
How about the fact that our society is skewed towards keeping lower income folks down?
That without the proper education and healthcare people are apt to be caught in a self-destructive cycle that is taken advantage of by a skewed criminal justice system. Which in turn helps keep companies that makes and maintains prisons huge profits.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Michelle did a good job.
Ole Tucker looks like she’s had some work done.
therightwinger on August 2, 2009 at 9:07 PM
You are not doing great at all. You are becoming increasingly delusional and need to go cold turkey on whatever you are doing to your mind.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 9:07 PM
I think it’s a complex mix of issues, a strong deeply permeating hatred for authority, and a deep distrust of formal education woven into the African-American culture.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:09 PM
You is funny
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:10 PM
I can answer your question simply. They have access to a low quality healthcare and education.
By having shitty schools and crappy healthcare services kids don’t have the tools to compete and thus are essentially trapped.
But you want to lower taxes more and tell them you’re on your own. As if they didn’t know that already.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 9:11 PM
It’s not, it’s skewed towards submission to social mores and ethics.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Your weak, vague comment is about as surface level as it gets.
fossten on August 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Please. The real problem that you will not admit is kids being born out of wedlock, not valuing school, and not taking advantage of the available health care. Ever hear of SCHIP? Millions of kids are not signed up because their parents do not know or do not care. Keep blaming other people and you will always be a loser.
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Put the crack pipe down and back slowly away from it.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM
And I thought Napoleon was mad! And I thought I was mad!
They’ll be coming to take ckoeber away, ha-haaa.
They’ll be coming to take ckoeber away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and he’ll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they’ll be coming to take ckoeber away, ha-haaa!!!
To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they’ll be coming to take ckoeber away, ha-haa!!!
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time……
Cheshire Cat on August 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Uh-huh. And you have data on this, I presume?
fossten on August 2, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Ahhahhahhahhahhhahah!
That’s it. Black people hate them books! The white man may be in them and will whip them if they read.
Now let’s see here. Where does the hatred for Authority come from? Or, how about asking why Blacks have a hard time in terms of education when a large percentage of Black males are locked up, single mothers have low paying jobs, and families are broken up?
Nope, it’s identity politics. Blacks are just making this up so that they can get attention.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Rarely have I encountered such ignorance!
How and why do thousands of immigrants flood accross our borders to reach out and suceed in being a part of the American Dream without ending up in prison, out of wedlock births, unemployed, crack addicted etc. etc?
Perhaps initiative, self control, hard work, a desire to achieve, be responsible for themselves?
I sure hope you didn’t pay too much for your meager education. Or are you still wasting a spot in an educational setting somewhere?
dhunter on August 2, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Income is not the determining factor. Don’t be so disingenuous. Katrina hit Mississippi as hard as anywhere, but you didn’t get the sort of social disintegration as you had in New Orleans. Different cultures organize themselves differently. Some are better and some are worse.
Please. There are poor people all over, and of different types. They don’t all react the same way. Just as muslims like to don suicide vests and blow themselves up in shopping malls, that is a cultural phenomenon that is particular to muslims, the way their societies are organized, and what they hold precious. There are also major differences between Western cultures, based on Individualism/Guilt/Atonement and others, which are based on Tribalism/Shame/Revenge. This is why the West generates suicidal maniacs, like our liberals, while other cultures generate homocidal maniacs, like the muslims.
Oh … okay. Blacks are put in prison just to drive profits for prison managers. Uh huh. You’re out of your mind, man.
Why don’t you look at black countries and see how they fare, and what their crime rates are. Then get back to me.
progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 9:16 PM
90% of blacks vote Democrat, so you may have a point about the quality of education.
fossten on August 2, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Hot Air recently purged the site of a lot of trolls. Obviously they missed one.
backwoods conservative on August 2, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Finish school
Don’t break laws
Don’t get women pregnant if you are not married
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Wait a second. I know a good bit about inner-city low-income healthcare and it is anything but ‘crappy’: And it’s still better than any other country’s. And how exactly do you think bad healthcare causes criminality?
And as for bad schools, I assume you’re talikng about doing away with NEA-supported governement-run schools and you’re in favor of school vouchers.
Right?
flicker on August 2, 2009 at 9:21 PM
to ckoeber
<>
Dude, you’ve been hanging around far too many 1960′ish Sociology classes … it was a stupid argument then and
time has made it even more lame … America works if you
go with the plan … there are too many demographic groups
who have not only “made it”, but have excelled, to argue otherwise …
P.
pbary on August 2, 2009 at 9:22 PM
You know it is rare that married black men with kids are getting locked up compared to singles with kids.
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:23 PM
No, your attitude is why. It’s always somebody else’s fault, somebody didn’t give you a pony for your birthday when you were 10 so you bla bla bla…
You don’t get anything for free, you have to earn everything for yourself. People who cant or will not accept that, will always be losers, people who want a handout will always be losers. Nobody starts at the top, if you want nice things you have to work your ass off for them.
Start at the bottom and work your way up, it isnt going to be fun or easy and it isnt going to happen over night, but most important, there is no other way.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:23 PM
I think the troll fled, folks.
fossten on August 2, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Ckoeber…
Keep voting Dem …that will do ya good
/sarc
Your stupidity just kills me
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:24 PM
This argument is revolving in circles. People wonder why there are so many broken families in the Black community and the answer is right in front of them. Yes, kids are born out of wedlock. Because the mother and father have access to poor education, especially sex education, and thus do things that, if given the knowledge, would not do.
The lack of education permeates with the parents and grandparents as well. Since they have low paying jobs and are in many cases are single parents they neither have the time nor the proper education to teach their kids at home about these things.
Same situation with schools. The parents constantly see the schools as being run-down garbage heaps (which is explained by all of those wonderful state and federal level budget and tax cuts you guys love) and thus put a priority on the short-term things they can do for the kids and they can see pay off. Hence, they push their kids towards lower-end jobs or to be singers and athletes. They can actually see blacks doing those things and thus they strive for that. But, not everyone can be successful in those endeavors and thus fall short. Because of the lack of education and otherwise ill-providing upbringing they fall off track and go out on the streets.
Rinse, Repeat.
But keep spouting the tired arguments about how tax cuts and privatization will magically save the day.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Really? Why don’t you take a look at the history of CCNY. That school used to turn out Nobel Laureates, who were dirt poor and couldn’t afford to go anywhere else (along with being barred from going to many of the upper-crust schools). CCNY was a powerhouse once. Now, it’s a sh!thole. Why is that? Tell me what happened.
progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Pot meet kettle
Actually it is pretty simple. The fact that you won’t even try proves your stupidity and laziness.
How has that voting dem like a friggin fool your whole life served ya?
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Or better yet, look at a nation where white people were in charge and were violently unseated by blacks. See Zimbabwe, Haiti and South Africa for starters – and in the last two the blacks even had very legitimate reasons for their armed revolt (slavery and near-slavery respectively). In these cases as well as in in others the nations are now filthy turd-world toilet bowls.
A very famous black by the name of Cassius Clay (AKA Muhammed Ali), when a reporter once asked him what he thought of an African country he’d just returned from a fight in, responded by saying “I’m glad my ancestors got on that boat.” Any black who’s done even a miserly amount of research on the comparative living standards and isn’t a brainwashed Democrat ought to agree with him.
Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Yep, black people love being at the bottom. If only they worked harder!
Except that, as a group, they don’t have the tools to do so. You point to the success story here and there but for every success story I can show you ten folks who fell short. But those ten are lazy and moochers. I get it.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Most of those schools have mostly good teachers. The reality it goes back to home. There are many uneducated parents that have been able to make sure their kids took advantage of what was offered.
The reality is that as long as the idiots continue to choose to find excuses nothing will really change.
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:32 PM
First of all, getalife.
Next, please tell us why they have “shitty schools”, etc. After all those schools are all in places run by Democrats who have been parasites in the system for decades.
Del Dolemonte on August 2, 2009 at 9:32 PM
OK CKoeber…You have convinced me (Wink)
How do you fix these problems?
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:39 PM
So you’re saying sex education for the last forty years has been substandard in the black community. And that the antidote for promiscuity is — what? — knowledge of condoms, Gardisil and abortions rather than making proper moral choices?
Any group that thinks like that is asking for what it gets.
flicker on August 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM
You don’t say. It’s rather hard to have any direction in an argument when one party has his head planted two feet up his @$$.
FIFY.
ROTFLOL!!! Are you kidding me? Most modern “sex education” – especially when administered by the government – consists of little more than a few anatomy lessons (which are redundant for a great many of the students if they’re older than 14), how-to instructions on contraceptives (again often redundant) and a few warnings against pregnancy and STD’s administered in the manner of disclaimers on a TV car-sale ad.
The problem is not ‘education’, the problem is that Uncle Sugar Sam is making bastardy profitable by blindly throwing taxpayer money at practically anyone who sticks their hand out.
As to this nonsense –
We spend more money as a nation per Publik Skool student than much of the world already…and for what? As for the singer/athlete angle, kids push themselves toward these things because the thug culture glorifies pottmouthed ‘singers’ and athletes (basketbrawl especially) as practically the only jobs worth having. Honest labor is mocked as willing slavery and the participants as some kind of traitors – almost as bad as a black who ‘snitches’ on one of their fellows for an illegal act.
Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Ask your average teen….black, white, yellow, or red about condoms. They know what they do and why they should use them.
They just don’r like them.
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:42 PM
ckoeber, you’re throwing b.s. at the wall and hoping something sticks.
Let’s accept that blacks don’t have the best of schools. Who runs the urban school systems in this country? Your beloved Democrats and their allies in the various teachers unions.
either orr on August 2, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Except that things like education and tradition are acculturated only when there is a strong foundation in place to do so. Pray tell how a single mother with a father in jail can successfully rear kids with floundering schools without overcoming massive odds? And what if that women gets sick and loses her job because of her lack of insurance?
OK, but my point remains. The reactions are different but if you don’t have the tools (education, healthcare, etc.) you can’t compete. Thus you fall short. How you react differs but the causation is there.
I never stated that there was a massive conspiracy theory. I am pointing out how people are taking advantage of the problem. As for your “black country mime”, that’s silly. Practically every predominantly black country was once owned by a European power which exported portions of the populations there as slaves. The cultures there were destroyed by slavery and then you want to point to their failures as their fault.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Here is another hint— do not vote someone in as President who has never ran a business.
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Oh poor little you… you is being oppressed by da evil man… Sorry but the empirical evidence totally and completely contradicts you. They have the exact same tools and resources as anyone else in the country. Their culture dictates that they reject those tools. Their culture dictates that they aint toting no more barges for da cracker and dey aint liften no mo bales o cotton for no one. Deys done paid deys dues an now dey gonna be gettin whats be belongin to dems.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:45 PM
There is not one single reasonably habitable area on the face of the planet that hasn’t seen it’s inhabitants conquered, enslaved, or otherwise beaten into the dirt by outsiders at least once if not hundreds of times. Just ask the Irish how well the British treated them, or an American Indian about all the promises we whites broke at gunpoint.
But, you see, most places have since made a comeback. Black nations? Name me one that is even a half-decent place to live in. Many of them are on the dole on a national level, relying on richer nations for charitable gifts of medicine and food to keep from reverting to a totally Stone-Age existence. (And will be among the first to be in a world of hurt if America’s economy fails, but that’s another discussion)
Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM
DING DING DING! We have a winner!
fossten on August 2, 2009 at 9:49 PM
ckoeber, you FREAKING MORON…
America just elected a black man President.
Jeez, what an idiot.
fossten on August 2, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Well, some of us are sure godd— sick of you idiotic race-card players.
Why don’t you try idolizing working family men instead of ghetto thugs for a start?
Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM
To start…
1). Get everyone decent access to healthcare. And when I say access I mean more than just the emergency room. No one should have to go to the emergency room to treat simple stuff like headaches and toothaches. Access to healthcare should also include counseling, psychologists, etc. to deal with problems beyond physical ailments.
2). Complete education that starts with paying the teachers decent salaries and rebuilding schools. (a) Every child should have all of the current editions of textbooks, etc. (b) Up-to-date technology in the classrooms (c) machine shops, robotics, chemistry and physics labs, etc. that allows children to learn beyond textbooks and normal classroom instruction (d) activities on Saturday and possibly Sunday to compliment the varying schedules of students.
There is plenty more.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Michelle, appearing on “This Week”, in my humble opinion, was a mistake. You were sitting among a group of people who have perfected through much practice the art of obfuscating the truth through synchronized, irrelevant discussion. No real facts, just propaganda via polite “discussion” with an occasional attack on conservatives done with the utmost civility of course. You were politely marginalized.
under on August 2, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Yes! Racism solved. Nevermind all of the dispositions in prison, income gaps, joblessness, etc.
We got a black dude in the white house so that’s that.
Using your logic we should elect an illegal immigrant president to take care immigration issues.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Your reasoning is flawed. The fact that Obama was elected President COMPLETELY undercuts your ‘keeping the brutha down’ argument.
fossten on August 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Can we make them go to the doctor? I mean by use of force. What if they don’t want to? Again have you heard of SCHIP?
Most teachers make a decent wage. Please trying to spread a tired lie. I did not always have up to date books in Parochial schools. We did not have the up to date technology. Activities? That is the parents job.
You do realize this country became great because of people schooled in buildings with dirt floors and taught often by teachers with little formal education. How did that happen.
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Seriously dude, you need to put the crack pipe down and back slowly away… oh hell dont back slowly away, you need to run your a$$ off away from that $hit…. You aint nothin but a fool indoctrinated into socialism.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Finally, some reasonable arguments.
I’m in full agreement on #1. Preventative care is the most obvious fix to the system, even surpassing tort reform. We could take a great burden off the ER’s and the like by simply putting together a working system to take care of little health problems before they become big ones.
I’d like to agree with you as much on #2, except that no real reform will be possible until the crushing near-monopoly of the public schools is broken. That has to come first. We MUST introduce competition to education, or else the teacher’s unions will simply stop any effort at returning sanity to curriculum, classroom discipline, or anything else. They’ve done it before and don’t think for a minute they won’t do it again.
On the idea of Saturday and Sunday school, though, I think that is A+. Also break up the summer vacation or at least shorten it significantly, especially in inner-city areas. Businesses and the police force would love you for it for a simple reason: every day a student is sitting quietly in his/her seat at school is a day where he/she isn’t hanging out on street corners scaring away decent customers, shoplifting, spraypainting, or sticking up a store for pocket money.
Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Yep, inner-city schools are exactly the same as the schools in the suburbs!
Except that they’re not.
And as for what you say the culture dictates; I guess your saying blacks are lazy because they are tired of being slaves. Is that it or could it be that something is holding them back?
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 10:10 PM
What parents? The illegitimacy rate among blacks is sky-high; a typical household usually has the lowlife ‘father’ absent and mom working a junk job to pay the bills.
Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 10:12 PM
You can say that again. I’ve spoken to more than a few teachers who would give up half their salaries if they could procure a crop of students who gave a rats’ @$$ about getting an education, especially when crime does pay and it pays big compared to honest work. (at least in the short term)
Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 10:14 PM
I am sure if someone had access to healthcare (and when I say access I mean they can get healthcare without being a lawyer or researching for days in a library) they would go.
As for SCHIP; (1) that only covers kids and (2) parents are not informed about the program and thus need to essentially be healthcare wonks to use it.
I would hardly call $40,000-$50,000 a decent wage considering the fact that teachers have to get their own supplies and work 50-60 hours of week between classroom instruction, lesson planning, grading 20-30 homework assignments, etc, etc.
As for activities and parents, that would be great if the single mother had a schedule that would allow her to be around her kids on Saturday/Sunday. On top of that, activities serve other purposes such as education outside of the classroom and keeping kids off of the streets.
Yep, except that was before every decent job requires at least a bachelor’s degree to even be looked at. Which is due to, guess what, the lower value of the high school diploma.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Ohhhss nooeesss! The socialism!
Run away from things like roads, bridges, public sewage systems, and the publicly owned and operated military before they get you!
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Tell the truth. My father and grandfather could get work easier than I can. In their times a diploma meant something, companies weren’t outsourcing jobs by the thousands, and we hadn’t yet been infiltrated by border-jumpers for greedy businessmen to give all the low-rung jobs to in preference to Americans.
Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 10:25 PM
CKOEBER–
Make you a deal . When these kids start graduating at let us say 90 percent let us talk.
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 10:29 PM
They do not even give school a chance so do not tell me the schools are bad
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Charter schools can come from the states and overall I have no problem with them as long as public schools are maintained.
As for Saturday and Sundays we can have Saturday school for a half-day and then have an activity (clean up a park, etc.) afterward. Would build investment in the community and get kids to do things outside of the school. On Sunday, there should be a variety of activities (not just sports) that allows kids to be involved in what they choose.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Detroit has very high unemployment. Not finishing high school cannot help
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 10:31 PM
bashing southerners is sooooooo cool now
gatorboy on August 2, 2009 at 10:32 PM
You pick a piece quoting one of the problems we have been talking about this entire time as the source for some sort of argument of yours?
If nothing is done the problem will persist. I am not sure what argument you are trying to make here.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 10:34 PM
CKOEBER
you do know that having kids out of wedlock is likely the biggest factor leading to poverty. kids know how not to have kids. you have to be insane not to realize it.
you do need to aknowledge that among some men there is pride taken in knocking up multiple women. this only helps ensure poverty for many.
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 10:36 PM
High School Graduation rate in Detroit is 35%. I think they need to elect more Democrats. What they are all Democrats? Then it must be Bushes fault!
dhunter on August 2, 2009 at 10:37 PM
sorry but how fuking dense are you
if they do not even try how can you blame the schools ?
go ahead play the blame game. vote dem
it has gotten blacks in general so far.
sheesh
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 10:39 PM
OK, soooo…
What’s your solution? I gave a few points on mine. Put up…
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 10:40 PM
CKOEBER
I hate it when idiots like you play your stupid game . It must be that Demcoratic education you received . It is very tiring dealing with the excuse makers of the world
KEEP YOUR KIDS In school . If then they fail then you can blame the schools. GET IT? it really is not that hard
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Stay in school
Use a condom if you must have sex
Value education
Teach kids right and wrong and that breaking laws tends to land you in jail.
Take responsibility and do not act stupid.
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 10:42 PM
It is really weird. I drive around the city and near rec centers on beautful days. There are few to no kids using the playgrounds and courts. I wonder …do they have to be led by the hand to have “activities??
CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Yep! Kids just know to do the right thing! You don’t need someone around besides the over-worked singlemother guiding them to do the right thing. That’s liberal/socialist/marxist talk!
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 10:45 PM
You are dancing around the issue. Everything is easy if you just look at the single-mother’s situation from a linear point of view. You assume she makes $50,000-$80,000 a year and has great benefits with a flexible schedule that will afford her to both educate and provide for her kids.
Alas, I believe you are smart enough to see that the majority of situations are far from ideal and thus the single-mother cannot do all of the things you just mentioned as your solution.
ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 10:54 PM
What I haven’t seen mentioned in this discussion is that it was the wisdom and benevolence of the Democrats’ Great Society programs that made it more profitable for poor black women to not have a man in the house than to be in a traditional stable marriage.
backwoods conservative on August 2, 2009 at 11:20 PM
guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Try keeping this little fact in mind. The Gestapo, the KGB and the Stasi were all Law Enforcement Agencies (they were cops). None of them thought they were monsters, they all believed fervently just as you do that they were protecting their respective societies.
Benjamin Franklin would consider today’s Law Enforcement Community far worse than that which he confronted and those that support it unworthy of citizenship in this great republic, it was not for no small reason he said, he who would surrender a little liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Has anyone seen this yet? Pretty scary stuff!
http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf
Archimedes on August 2, 2009 at 11:38 PM
..Michelle’s? I don’t think it’s polite to ask a young woman her age?
;-)
VoyskaPVO on August 3, 2009 at 12:00 AM
WTF?
So, are you saying that black women like raising kids on their own to get the equivalent of $400-500 a week?
Or that black men going to prison is the result of female manipulation?
Or that the evil socialist/marxist/terrorist Democrats specifically designed programs to have these outcomes so that they can stay in power forever?
From whichever angle you look at it what you are saying is wrong.
ckoeber on August 3, 2009 at 12:24 AM
American slave owners had many problems controlling their slaves. Then a Dutchman came and showed them how to control them. They created conditions that fostered enmity between the male and his family and suddenly slaves were easier to control. The demoRATF**CKS learned well from that example and have created the exact same conditions with their social engineering programs.
csdeven on August 3, 2009 at 12:34 AM
No, not specifically designed. It was one the unintended consequences liberal policies are so prone to.
Prior to the introduction of the Great Society programs, blacks tended to have very stable families and marriages. Ann Coulter caught a lot of flak for daring to point that out.
The point is that welfare programs took over the man’s traditional role as primary breadwinner. Since eligibility was determined by family income, women often stood a better chance of getting benefits if there wasn’t a man living there. The result was more single parent homes.
backwoods conservative on August 3, 2009 at 12:37 AM
All services provided by the good ol’ US government. The very gov’t you want to give more power too. How’s that Great Society workin’ out for ya? Seems civil rights was doin great back when the GOP was leading the charge…..then LBJ and the donkey’s got ahold of it and guess what? Crap sandwich….just like any other program they’ve led.
buh’bye now….don’t let the door hit you in the azz….
Fighton03 on August 3, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
Do. You. Understand?
redwhiteblue on August 3, 2009 at 1:02 AM
yep….she can. she can use a condom, she doesn’t need to have sex, without kids she CAN stay in school. When she finally decides to have sex she can pick a good man who will support her decisions and morals, and if she catches her kids doing something dumb, she (and her husband) can make their kids do what is necessary to make amends.
What strawmen will you throw out next?
Fighton03 on August 3, 2009 at 1:03 AM
Yes, it does understand. It understands that if it teaches a man to fish, it won’t be needed anymore. That scares it.
Fighton03 on August 3, 2009 at 1:05 AM
The USSR has come and gone; the Soviet rule of East Berlin has come and gone; anyone with the stomach to do so can poke through the rubble of post-Communist Russia and Germany, read released segments of KGB and STASI archives, talk to people who lived in that world and hear what their wretched lives were like: see their 3-room walkup apartments and look at their 2-cylinder cars and their plastic shoes and clothing, and learn about their medical and dental care and their diet and the grim, grey, grimy world they inhabited.
For a half-century of Cold War, we in the U.S. taxed ourselves trillions of dollars for defense, and accepted tens of thousands of our people killed and injured, in a war that eventually freed the Berliners, among others, from Communism.
But BY GOD I’d love to see the Lefties’ beloved Communism re-instituted! I’d love to see it shoved up ckoeber’s and the other Lefties ALL the way to the hilt — and broken off. I’d love to see every Leftie like ckoeber who swoons at the glories of Socialism compelled to LIVE under it for two centuries, since most of one century evidently wasn’t long enough to give some people a clue.
Stick it in slowly and covertly, Obama-Socialist-fashion, if necessary. Or stick it in openly and briskly, euro-Socialist style, if possible. Whatever the tactics, I say GIVE people like ckoeber the Socialism they so deeply crave. I’ll leave the world a smiling, happy man if I can see that justice done.
HalJordan on August 3, 2009 at 1:10 AM
How true. Well, off to sleep now since the family has decided that an early morning of going fishing sounds like fun. :)
redwhiteblue on August 3, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Some of the wisest words I ever heard were, “The truth will set you free but it’ll pi$$ you off real bad first.” I expect ckoeber is feeling that right now.
backwoods conservative on August 3, 2009 at 1:16 AM
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