Video: Michelle talks health care, the economy, and Gatesgate on “This Week”

posted at 1:10 pm on August 2, 2009 by Allahpundit

The boss just posted her round-up of the morning’s events (“civil, if slightly strained”) so read that for a recap. Kudos to Stephanopoulos for having her on despite the predictable screeching from the left and for giving her a rare shot at a roundtable discussion. In three years of watching her on Fox, I can’t remember a single case of that happening.

The first clip is the roundtable, the second is the slightly awkward greenroom discussion about Gatesgate afterward. Click the images to watch. If you can’t devote 20 minutes to the first, skip ahead to the last four minutes for the exchange about racial politics and “teachable moments.” Incidentally, shortly before this aired, TurboTax Tim dropped by the set to tell Steph that The One might just have to break his promise and raise taxes on the middle class after all. Surprise.

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Michelles’ discussion at the end about the real teachable moment of the Gates’ Affair was great. It would have been better for the President to sit down with the Black Police Officer who was at the scene and supported the arrest and disagreed with Obama, and has since been accused of being an Uncle Tom. And at that same meeting, there should have been the White neighbor who made the initial call and did not identify the race of anyone, but has since been accused of racism.

These were very good points that had the other panel member’s eye’s popping open or hardening, and all talk quickly shifting back to the agreed liberal truth about this matter. Gosh, Michelle was wonderful on this, and the others were pathetic.

Loxodonta on August 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM

The Race Card on August 2, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Thanks for posting the YouTube links to this. They are easier for me to access.

Loxodonta on August 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM

BTW, I’m using the very latest version of FLASH, downloaded and installed today.

georgej on August 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Maybe I’m the only one who caught George Stephy’s “There’s a bitof truth to what she’s saying” after Michelle made a statement and he move on to his ultra-lib panelist Tucker. I thought it was insulting to say the least.

Congrats on the #1 book spot at Barnes and Noble. Just got back from my store where I picked it up.

Marcus on August 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM

So, are these videos of Michelle available on youtube or other less privacy-threatening video sites?

georgej on August 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Above in the tread , Race card posted links to youtube.

the_nile on August 2, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Panelist groupthought:

“She’s prettier than me, smarter than me, and damnit, people like her (more than me)!”

BKennedy on August 2, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Michelle looks just like the rest of us feel when we’re in a room full of liberals. The conversation in our heads goes something like this:

“My God these people are so fuc*ing stupid. Must not say that out that loud. Must not say that out that loud.”

Rational Thought on August 2, 2009 at 1:56 PM

+1

bill30097 on August 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Maybe I’m the only one who caught George Stephy’s “There’s a bitof truth to what she’s saying” after Michelle made a statement and he move on to his ultra-lib panelist Tucker. I thought it was insulting to say the least.

Marcus on August 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I heard that too and thought the exact same thing.

sammypants on August 2, 2009 at 3:43 PM

BKennedy on August 2, 2009 at 3:40 PM

“Here from the groupthink news channel on ABC”

the_nile on August 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM

     guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 2:49 PM hit a nail right on the head!

     Al Hunt says that the Professor (purportedly experienced on the issue of treating someone as a stereotypical member of a group rather than as an individual) should have learned something about what a cop doing his job may be experiencing (such as fear for himself and potential victims if an actual crime is in progress). GREAT, particularly since the evidence is clear that the Professor had just “broken in” to his own home and that Gates knew that officer was there to make sure that there was no crime in progress.

     Then Hunt says that the police officer should have learned something about the evil of racial profiling. When Michelle points out that there is was no racial profiling, Hunt says that we don’t know that. Well, there are a lot of “negatives” that we don’t know. For example, we don’t know that Obama and Emanuel are not scheming to abolish the Constitution.

     The “main stream: lefties’ rallying behind a professor who wrongly played the race card is very disappointing because, well, they are our shipmates on this ship of state. There appears to be no low below which they will not try to bring us all.

Ira on August 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Loxodonta on August 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I agree, Lox. She was very poised and focused, and her points were excellent.

I have my DVR all ready for The View tomorrow.

ladyingray on August 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Then Hunt says that the police officer should have learned something about the evil of racial profiling. When Michelle points out that there is was no racial profiling, Hunt says that we don’t know that.

After that remark from Hunt, it pretty much cemented the fact that he’s pretty ignorant. Either on purpose or just because he is.

RedbonePro on August 2, 2009 at 3:58 PM

So whats the fix then? get rid of medicaid and privatize it? Tell me how medicaid should be fixed.

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 2:47 PM

ARGH! I got busy for a bit and missed this.

FIRST of all, you make sure everyone understand the FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE between MEDICARE and MEDICAID.

If you want to know how Medicaid should be fixed, that’s easy. . . but I was talking about Medicare. I know it doesn’t make a difference to you. . . but why would I explain a ‘fix’ to someone who doesn’t understand the system to begin with?

I CAN assure you that the ‘fix’ isn’t to make those systems bigger. I CAN assure you that the fix isn’t to break the part of the system that works and replace it with the part that doesn’t work.

This is a perfect example of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Medicare is broken, so instead of fixing Medicare, the congress resolves to break the non-Medicare part.

I guarantee you that if this thing goes through (government plan), our hospitals will be bankrupt by 2020. . . but you’ll have government provided EXPENSIVE health insurance. Just nowhere to go if you get sick to use it.

So my point is this fix currently being debated won’t fix anything. It will take what works and turn it into the part of the system that doesn’t.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 3:58 PM

There is an entitlement culture where a class of people have lost any sense of shame. In fact, they will actually complain about the benefits they receive. They will tell you it is just not worth getting a job because of taxes, etc. Oh well, party on, Garth!

yubley on August 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Obama is trying to bring that to america

William Amos on August 2, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Oooooh, I think Cynthia Tucker nailed Michelle on the Gates issue. Tucker said conservatives should be defending Gates, and she’s right – anyone who believes in limited government should give Gates the benefit of doubt. When Michelle weakly replied “You’re supposed to respect the police,” she flubbed. Conservatives should never be so deferential to improper applications of government power. Government shouldn’t run healthcare, and it shouldn’t be able to arrest you in your own home for being rude.

Advantage Tucker.

Enrique on August 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I agree enrique. I’ve been treated poorly by police on more than one occasion. Typically it is when I am by myself (which is most of the time). I think they will do what they think they can get away with. If you have a witness with you they won’t bother you. If not, they’ll want you to ‘respect their authoritah’.

The problem was when Gates said he was treated that way because he was black. I’m a white guy and if a police gets an authoritarian streak in him, there’s nothing you can do. There are cops that ‘get off’ on the power.

It’s not a black or white thing. It’s a police thing. I am not kidding when I say I am afraid of cops. They can do whatever they want to you and not be held accountable.

Just recently a game warden was exhonorated for shooting an 80 year old white guy who was hunting turkeys on his own property. The white guy’s gun was not fired (hunting gun for hunting on his own property). The game warden shot him dead on his own property. They were both white. The game warden got away with murder.

Police scare the crap out of me, and I’m a white guy.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Police scare the crap out of me, and I’m a white guy.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Yeah, well when you and Enrique get jobs where every traffic stop, every interaction with a citizen could result in you being murdered, maybe you will feel differently.

Sure, we all have the right to free expression.

But why on earth would it make any more sense to be offensive to a cop than it would be to act the same way to a waitress, a retail clerk, your grandmother?

Being an ass isn’t conservative. It’s stupid.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 4:26 PM

If you want a link to the murdering game warden, it is here.

I’m not lying about it. There were no witnesses but they say he acted in ‘self defense’. Imagine going hunting on your own private property as a 76 year old and getting shot DEAD by an authority in ‘self defense’.

If it was a black guy, the NAACP would be marching. As it stands, we get 24/7 of how this elitist black guy was inconvenienced by a white cop investigating a reported break in as a sign of ‘racial profiling’.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Maybe I’m the only one who caught George Stephy’s “There’s a bitof truth to what she’s saying” after Michelle made a statement and he move on to his ultra-lib panelist Tucker. I thought it was insulting to say the least.

Marcus on August 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I’m pretty sure that’s when he went on to point out that the public supports “health care reform”, from which he and the rest of the panelists seem to extrapolate support for a complete socialist transformation. That was his straw man argument for there being only a bit of truth to what Michelle had said.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2009 at 4:28 PM

gun toting libertarian, make sure you have a witness with you when you are carrying that gun and a policeman shows up . . . for whatever reason.

Next thing you know you might be dead and the guy that killed you will be saying it was self defense. No witnesses and dead men can’t talk.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:29 PM

That Cynthia Tucker is really a revolting individual, and a race-baiting pimp of the first order.

AntonK on August 2, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I’d like the Lib Tucker to name an instance when the pooolice for no reason stomped Obama.
I’m sure had Pinnochio been stomped by the pooolice Ayers would have written about it extensively in Pinnochios’ autobiography.
That said I like to think I am not racist and I would like to stomp the punk Pinnochio for a lot of reasons but not for no reason.

dhunter on August 2, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Enrique on August 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Very many conservatives from all factions of our party, as well as libertarians and classical liberals at Hot Air have agreed with the Gates’ arrest.

Since when did people have a “right” to “disturb the peace” and yell insults at police officers simply doing their jobs? And since when is it “proper” to simply allow someone to stand on their porch in the middle of the night, loudly ranting and raving?

Loxodonta on August 2, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Police scare the crap out of me…

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM

There seems to be some left in you.

Loxodonta on August 2, 2009 at 4:32 PM

If you want a link to the murdering game warden, it is here.

That link doesn’t support your view of the incident at all.

I’ve been trained in the use of firearms and in how to respond in any such situation.

The first rule is if I am ever approached by a law-enforcement agent while I have a gun on my person, I announce that to him immediately and ask what he wants me to do with the gun.

He will tell me to lay the gun down and step away from it.

I will immediately comply, because if I do not, the only sane inference the officer can take is that I have hostile intent.

This guy not only did not relinquish his firearm, he openly challenged and threatened the warden. Doesn’t matter that he was on his own property.

He was too freaking stupid to live.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 4:33 PM

I love hearing the liberals repeat their theories. The theories didn’t work before, they’re not working now, but they are so smug and certain that they are going to work in the future.

29Victor on August 2, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Cynthia Tucker’s face looks like it has worn out three bodies…I’m just saying. Must be living in all those lies.

d1carter on August 2, 2009 at 4:34 PM

anyone who believes in limited government should give Gates the benefit of doubt.

So “limited government” means “the police shouldn’t investigate if they think somebody has broken into my house.”

Jim Treacher on August 2, 2009 at 4:34 PM

That link doesn’t support your view of the incident at all.

What ‘view’? The man was hunting on his own PRIVATE property and got shot dead by the game warden. Is there another view?

That’s why cops scare me. They can kill people and people like the gun toting libertarian will defend them. The game warden was trespassing, he shot a 76 year old hunter on his own property and you side with the murderer.

You’ve got a heck of a view there. And why I am scared of cops.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM

You’re putting your own bad experience w/ cops on Sgt. Crowley, who was doing his job, who has a long history of excellent & impartial service.

jgapinoy on August 2, 2009 at 4:43 PM

That’s why cops scare me. They can kill people and people like the gun toting libertarian will defend them. The game warden was trespassing, he shot a 76 year old hunter on his own property and you side with the murderer.

You’ve got a heck of a view there. And why I am scared of cops.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM

He was not trespassing NC law gives him the authority to enforce game laws on private land.

And it doesn’t matter where you are when you threaten an officer with a firearm, you’re asking to be shot.

You obviously know nothing about the laws which govern the possession, display and use of firearms.

It’s simple. If a cop approaches you anywhere you better lay down that gun. Otherwise, you are going to be shot.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 4:45 PM

George Step-on-all-of-us indeed.

Holy crap! He was doing exactly what liberals accuse Fox News of doing.

29Victor on August 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM

And it doesn’t matter where you are when you threaten an officer with a firearm, you’re asking to be shot.

Where is your witness and proof that he was threatening the officer? Oh yeah, the officer told you. The other witness is dead.

jgap, I’m not using this saying that anything Crowley did was out of line. I’m using this saying that just because cops act inappropriately doesn’t mean that they are ‘racist’.

The whole point was that Gates thought they were treating him that way because he was black. That’s what Cynthia Tucker said and everything.

That game warden is lucky that he shot an old white guy. If he was a 76 year old black guy, the game warden would be fired, and likely tried for the murder he committed.

They said he was hard of hearing (he’s 76). There were no witnesses. Your solution gun toting ‘libertarian’ (I don’t see how you can be a libertarian and support jack booted cops) is to make sure that you don’t confront a cop alone.

I’m just going to recommend that you make sure you have witnesses every time you have that gun with you. If the guy was black, you’d have heard about it. There’s evidence of this crap all the time.

But to some people the cops can never do anything wrong simply because they are cops. They have a license to kill any time they want.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Looks like my biggest fan bookmarks all my posts.

Congratulations on having a typo-free post by the way. Apparently you’ve discovered that if type slowly your greasy, fat fingers won’t get in the way as much.

crr6 on August 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Typo Nazis who commit typos while ridiculing and calling names…

How deliciously ironic.

Buh-bye, troll.

fossten on August 2, 2009 at 4:52 PM

To some people, the cops can never do anything right simply because they are cops.

Jim Treacher on August 2, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Police scare the crap out of me, and I’m a white guy.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Me too. They’re right up there with politically minded District Attorneys and oh-so caring Child Protective Services folks on the danger to personal liberty/well-being scale.

Maquis on August 2, 2009 at 4:55 PM

These people are why I can no longer stand to watch shows like this.

They sit there and discuss how “regular people” react and respond to government programs and President Obama’s pronouncements. They think they know what “regular people” think and they are 100% certain that they know what’s best for them. But Michelle, the one “regular person” that is sitting at the table, they treat with contempt and consdesention.

And that gives me a glimpse into how these big-government types look at all of us “regular people.” We don’t know what we want or what we need or what is best for us, so they’ll take care of us, whether we want them to or not.

29Victor on August 2, 2009 at 4:56 PM

The whole point was that Gates thought they were treating him that way because he was black. That’s what Cynthia Tucker said and everything.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:51 PM

I found it quite ironic that in insisting that the cop was racially profiling Gates (even though there is zero evidence of this), Tucker was, herself, racially profiling him.

29Victor on August 2, 2009 at 4:59 PM

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:51 PM

You’re seriously deranged on the issue of cops, that’s apparent.

By your “reasoning” the only alernative to the scenario where an angry landowner with a gun forced the officer to defend himself by refusing to lay down the gun is that he did lay down the gun and the officer shot him just for the hell of it.

For the third time: If you are in possession of a gun when approached by a law enforcement officer, you announce that fact and follow his instruction as to how lay down the gun. Period. If you refuse to lay down your gun, his presumption must be that you intend him harm. How hard is that to understand?

And you certainly don’t hold onto your gun and engage in threatening behavior.

I used to have a concealed carry permit when I lived in another state. By law, I could carry a loaded handgun on my person or in my car anytime I wanted.

But the law – and common sense – also dictated that if I was approached by a cop while I was carrying, I must inform him of the fact that I had a concealed weapon permit and I was in possession of the weapon. He would then instruct me as to how to handle the gun so that it did not present a threat.

That law protected me as well as the cop because if I did tell him I had the gun and then he happened to catch a glimpse of it, he had to presume I had sinister intent.

If that old geezer was instructed to lay down his firearm, he violated the law right there and put his won life in jeopardy. Instead, being an ass, like you, he decided to rant on about his private property rights.

You have no right to threaten a police officer with a firearm, just because you are standing on your own property.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 5:02 PM

That law protected me as well as the cop because if I did tell him I had the gun and then he happened to catch a glimpse of it, he had to presume I had sinister intent.

Should have read, “…if I didn’t tell him I had the gun…”

And all the bolding was unintentional

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Give them Hell Michelle.No just like Harry Truman said give them plain truth and they will think it,s Hell.You go girl.

thmcbb on August 2, 2009 at 5:05 PM

It is great to see the Boss Lady getting more and more exposure.

Great job Mrs. Malkin.

Baxter Greene on August 2, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Enrique on August 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM

The practice of Rights without responsibility is anarchy. Only one place to go from there, Tyranny.

“All things are lawful for me but not all things are expedient.”

chemman on August 2, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Yea! More Michelle on TV!!! I am in Malkin heaven!!!

dec5 on August 2, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Maquis on August 2, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Well, you are very dangerous. Your a man. So, that justifies suspicion and very close scrutiny, at least. But what’s unforgivable is that you speak French, which is almost worthy of, well I can’t say it because I don’t want to get banned. Sacrebleu!

Loxodonta on August 2, 2009 at 5:10 PM

A better cure would be to open up oil and coal, which would have a multi-layered effect of not just providing direct employment, but revitalizing the economy through lower fuel prices. The direct and inderect impact of opening up oil and coal production would probably be enough in and of itself to lift the country out of the recession.

Accurate, and don’t forget natural gas.

I am not going to get into how good strategically opening up our oil and coal production would be, that is another discussion.

Rode Werk on August 2, 2009 at 1:54 PM

That would make for a great conversation.

Red State State of Mind on August 2, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Enrique on August 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM
The practice of Rights without responsibility is anarchy. Only one place to go from there, Tyranny.

“All things are lawful for me but not all things are expedient.”

chemman on August 2, 2009 at 5:07 PM

No point in further dialogue with either of these dolts.

They’re more interested in their fevered fantasies of being abuse by rogue cops than in simple common sense.

Let’s hope that when one of them keels over on the street and a cop arrives to give them CPR, they don’t waste their breath screaming obscenities.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 5:10 PM

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

To fix enrique’s comment: The one thing all conservatives should support is Self Government.

chemman on August 2, 2009 at 5:21 PM

From the August/08 Town Hall article “You might be a Liberal if..”

You think we can improve our health care system by putting the same government that brought us FEMA, ICE, Airport Security, and the IRS in charge of it.

Red State State of Mind on August 2, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Of all the spokespeople for the right…Rush, Hannity, Beck, Ingraham, Levin, Palin, even Bachmann, Michelle is the finest exemplar.

She knows her stuff, projects calm sincerity, thinks fast on her feet, delivers pithy responses, can be forceful while still looking like every bit the sympathetic person she is. And she’s really attractive.

If I could choose only one person to represent our views, it would be Michelle.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Screw the other Sunday talk shows, Michelle deserves her own show.

Jeff from WI on August 2, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Screw the other Sunday talk shows, Michelle deserves her own show.

Jeff from WI on August 2, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Yeah, come to think of it, why are the Sunday talk show hosts white males?

Isn’t it time for our first female or our first “person of color”?

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM

If I could choose only one person to represent our views, it would be Michelle.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Cheney’s daughter is quite good too. I’ve seen her on networks other than Fox, and she’s never let either the host or another guest off the hook for nonsense. Every time I’ve seen her she’s called someone on BS.

BuckeyeSam on August 2, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Cheney’s daughter is quite good too. I’ve seen her on networks other than Fox, and she’s never let either the host or another guest off the hook for nonsense. Every time I’ve seen her she’s called someone on BS.

Well, she comes from great stock. Remember how effortlessly Dick Cheney made Liebermann and Silky Pony look like utter buffoons during the debates?

And Lynn Cheney is fabulous, too.

Running up to 2000, my dream ticket was Lynn Cheney and Alan Keyes. Would have driven the Left wild.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 5:42 PM

BuckeyeSam on August 2, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Number one on my list also.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Other than Michelle Malkin, the other participants appear to spout cliches or talking points, especially re GatesGate. They do not appear to be open to absorbing the point of MM’s supportive detail.

onlineanalyst on August 2, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Yeah, this thread has been wonderful.

This is what is wrong with our country. . . people are stupid.

We have a (self proclaimed) libertarian who supports a police state where a policeman can shoot you on your own property – you know, because he’s the police.

And we have a liberal asking for clarification on fixing Medicare by asking how to fix Medicaid. The liberal also thinks that you fix the broken part by making the part that works into the part that doesn’t work.

I’m moving to Hong Kong. The only real growth with these policies in the world is going to be in China. Be ready for the lost decade of the Americas. People won’t be coming to America to get their health care any time soon if the congress does what they are proposing.

I shouldn’t even come here because it makes me sad that our once great country is going to fall because of our government. . . and people aren’t smart enough to understand it. . . not only that, they don’t even know what the results of the governments’ ‘fix’ is going to do. . . but they support it anyway.

Again, my ancestors came here in the 1600′s and established a great country. The government in place in America now is more authoritarian and oppressive than the Royalty we beat in the Revolution.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Other than Michelle Malkin, the other participants appear to spout cliches or talking points, especially re GatesGate. They do not appear to be open to absorbing the point of MM’s supportive detail.

onlineanalyst on August 2, 2009 at 6:15 PM

All of them are stuck on “profiling” while they’re profiling the white cop..

the_nile on August 2, 2009 at 6:26 PM

I’m moving to Hong Kong

Good riddance. But then, it will lower Hong Kong’s average IQ by about 50 points.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 6:28 PM

I know racial profiling happens, I’ve seen it with friends and family members. But maybe that’s just the easiest tactic to use for those given traffic stops.

But I’ve been stopped for bogus reasons and I’m white. And one trooper once threatened to arrest me because my tags were 9 days expired. But he was black — is that racial profiling? Is it just policemen exhibiting racial prejudice?

Or is it just a cop thing, regardless of race? When I’m pulled over for an unwarranted search, what am I supposed to call it? Non-racial profiling? Unconstitutional search?

Gates, like the rest of us, should have kept his mouth shut, filed a formal complaint and perhaps filed a civil suit if he was treated unfairly. What we do know is that he baited the cop and now has more fodder for his documentaries.

flicker on August 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM

I’m moving to Hong Kong. The only real growth with these policies in the world is going to be in China.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM

China only grows on our backs. Without the US market to sell into, China is toast.

The US economy is the engine that drives the world. When they kill it, the whole world is going to suffer, and suffer badly. I’d recommend going somewhere that is based on individualism and private property rights (and supporting the police whom we hire and empower to protect our private property rights is a huge part of that), but the US was the only place that ever championed these ideas, which is why the US has outshone all other nations. When the US turns away from these ideas, there is nowhere else to go.

progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 6:33 PM

One more question, should the gov also outsource the military health care to a private company?

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM

The military already outsources it’s health care. The past 2 bases we’ve been out both closed the military hospitals. The base we are at now closed all it’s urgent services too so now we have to go off base to the local hospitals and outpatient clinics. If you want to see your primary care good luck with that average wait is about 3 or 4 weeks.

I have lost faith in some military doctors. They are quick to give you motrin and send you on your way.
If obamacare is going to be run like the military runs their hospitals they will be closing very fast. It’s not cost effective to run them at least that is what we were told.

Brat4life on August 2, 2009 at 6:35 PM

flicker on August 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM

I once had a cop demand – nicely – to search my car after a speeding stop. And I am white, was driving a brand-new, very expensive car in a suburban area in broad daylight.

I had my choice: consent to a search or refuse.

Common sense told me if he was the kind of cop who would demand a search and I refused, this was going to get time-consuming, at the least.

So, I consented, got his name and badge number. Had my attorney draft a letter to the police chief demanding an explanation, an apology and remedial training for the cop in the Constitutional rights of citizens.

We got what we asked for.

How might it have turned out if I had given him a ration of s**t instead?

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 6:36 PM

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Uhh, you be having a beer with the president? And selling your story to PBS?

flicker on August 2, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Then Hunt says that the police officer should have learned something about the evil of racial profiling. When Michelle points out that there is was no racial profiling, Hunt says that we don’t know that.

We DO know that. Even if Crowley is a stone-cold racist who can’t stand black people, it STILL wouldn’t be a case of racial profiling. He was sent there to investigate a possibly burglary. That isn’t racial profiling. Asking the person he finds to prove he lives there isn’t racial profiling. Arresting a fool for disturbing the peace isn’t racial profiling. Hell, beating him down Rodney king style isn’t racial profiling.

The only place racial profiling occurred in this event is in the warped minds of clowns like Hunt. There’s no evidence of racial profiling, and the situation doesn’t even meet the criteria for racial profiling, but Hunt is pretty sure it happened anyway. Moron.

xblade on August 2, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Malkin really comes off as shrill and childish when surrounded with level-headed, thoughtful people.

crr6 on August 2, 2009 at 2:10 PM

LOL, like Cynthia Tucker, right? She’s a rocket scientist compared to MM. Especially on your planet.

Now, can I have some of your cheap tequila?

Del Dolemonte on August 2, 2009 at 6:51 PM

We have a (self proclaimed) libertarian who supports a police state where a policeman can shoot you on your own property – you know, because he’s the police.

Rewrite history much?

xblade on August 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM

The arrogant dismissive tone the lefties exuded was unmistakeable. Man are these people living in a bubble or what!? I am sick and tired of busting my butt to support these people’s favorite social causes. They are thieves and looters. It is refreshing to see someone speaking on behalf of us “little people.” Go Michelle!

paraff on August 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Now, can I have some of your cheap tequila?

Del Dolemonte

With or without the kool aid chaser, lol?

xblade on August 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM

When Michelle weakly replied “You’re supposed to respect the police,” she flubbed.

Enrique on August 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM</blockquot

Leftist icon Colin Powell said the exact same thing. Did he “flub” as well?

Del Dolemonte on August 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM

I’ve been treated poorly by police on more than one occasion. Typically it is when I am by myself (which is most of the time).

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Care to enlighten us? Were you simply minding your own business when they suddenly decided to hassle you, or did you do something that would give them probable cause to talk to you in the first place?

Del Dolemonte on August 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Yeah, it’s a cop thing. The callous abuse is just a perk of the job.

flicker on August 2, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Kudos to Stephanopoulos for having her on despite the predictable screeching from the left and for giving her a rare shot at a roundtable discussion. In three years of watching her on Fox, I can’t remember a single case of that happening.

Let me remind you Allah that FOX gives her the opportunity to air her views all of the time. We’re supposed to give him “Kudos” for putting her in a round table discussion?

No thanks, no kudos from here for that butt-kissing Obama sycophant. Nice try.

kg598301 on August 2, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Cynthia Tucker seems to think that her desire to be rude to police officers is somehow protected by the 1st Amendment. I don’t know about that, but I certainly think she should start practicing by being “rude” to every officer she comes across. It’ll cost her a lot in restorative dentistry but, hey, should be fun to read about!

AcronisF on August 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM

If you want a link to the murdering game warden, it is here.

I’m not lying about it. There were no witnesses but they say he acted in ’self defense’. Imagine going hunting on your own private property as a 76 year old and getting shot DEAD by an authority in ’self defense’.

ThackerAgency on August 2, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Google News is your friend. From early July:

http://www.mountaintimes.com/mtweekly/2009/0709/Minton.php3

“Through the investigative efforts of the SBI, it was determined that Officer Minton became aware that someone was potentially baiting turkeys on the Clyde Coffey property on Cane Creek Church Road in Wilkes County. Based upon this knowledge, he went to that location to determine if anyone was illegally hunting turkey over this baited area,” Horner said.

Saturday, April 11, was the first day of Spring Turkey Season in the state and Minton was on patrol in the area checking for the hunting violations when he entered property where the incident took place.

Originally Minton came across Larry Dean Helton, Coffey’s son-in-law, in a tree stand at one location of the property. Officer Minton approached Helton and confronted Helton about baiting without incident. After receiving a citation Helton departed the area.

“Officer Minton was initially unsuccessful in multiple attempts to get Mr. Coffey’s attention and have him exit the tree stand. At one point after he identified himself as a ‘game warden,’ Mr. Coffey stood up in the tree stand and in an agitated tone demanded that the officer leave his property,” Horner said.

“Coffey continued to not comply with Minton’s commands, causing him to radio for assistance to other NCWRC officers who were several miles away. However, before assistance could arrive, Coffey descended from the tree stand with his weapon cradled across his arms, disregarding the instructions of Officer Minton to leave the weapon in the stand,” Horner said.

“According to the officer, when Coffey reached the ground, he advanced towards him, holding his weapon in a ‘low ready’ position and pointing it directly at the officer. Minton commanded him multiple times to stop and then retreated up the hill from Coffey approximately 85 feet from the tree stand as Coffey continued to pursue Minton with his shotgun pointing at him.

“Coffey was approximately 25 feet from Minton when again he was told to stop,” Horner said. “Minton stated that he thought Mr. Coffey was going to shoot him; he drew his service weapon, pointed it at Mr. Coffey and fired one round, striking him in the chest. Coffey fell immediately.

-snip-

Wilkes County Deputies remained on scene until around noon, when the incident scene and investigation was taken over by the State Bureau of Investigation (required when a state officer is involved in an on-duty shooting).

“In the course of the investigation, SBI agents collected ‘scratch feed,’ which is commonly used for baiting turkeys, from the area around Coffey’s tree stand. This feed was consistent with feed located at Coffey’s residence and with feed located near the tree stand occupied by Helton.

“Agents also determined that Coffey suffered from hearing loss. According to information provided by the family of Coffey, the conduct described by Minton was out of character for Coffey,” the district attorney said.

North Carolina general statutes authorize a law enforcement officer to arrest someone without a warrant if the officer has probable cause to believe that the individual has committed a criminal offense in their presence and is justified in using force upon another person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary when it is or appears to be reasonably necessary from what is reasonably believed to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical force.

“After a thorough review of the SBI’s report, interviews with the investigating agents, a review of the appropriate legal standards and in consultation with the North Carolina Attorney General’s Office, it appears that Officer Minton’s actions were reasonable and appropriate in response to the perceived use or imminent use of deadly physical force by Mr. Coffey,” Horner said. “Therefore, criminal prosecution of Officer Minton for the shooting death of Clyde Hill Coffey is not warranted.”

Del Dolemonte on August 2, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Oooooh, I think Cynthia Tucker nailed Michelle on the Gates issue. Tucker said conservatives should be defending Gates, and she’s right – anyone who believes in limited government should give Gates the benefit of doubt. When Michelle weakly replied “You’re supposed to respect the police,” she flubbed. Conservatives should never be so deferential to improper applications of government power. Government shouldn’t run healthcare, and it shouldn’t be able to arrest you in your own home for being rude.

Advantage Tucker.

Enrique on August 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM

BS – The officer has certain duties:

1. Make sure no crime occurred

2. Even after Gates showed it was his own home the officer had a duty to chec the house to make sure that a member of Gates family etc was not being held hostage to make Gates get rid of the police – especially after Gates had his temper tntrum. When Gates tried to stop the police Gates interfered with an officer performing his LAWFUL AND REQUIRED DUTY and could have been correctly charged with a felony – the police were letting him off easy with the charge actually made. The city effed up by dropping charges.

bill30097 on August 2, 2009 at 7:07 PM

With or without the kool aid chaser, lol?

xblade on August 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Purple.

Del Dolemonte on August 2, 2009 at 7:09 PM

At the ripe old age of 44 I just acquired my concealed carry permit a few weeks ago due to the “socialists” that now run our goverment. After reading the above article about the law breaker that was illegally baiting turkeys on his property and making threatening motions to a game warden (a career, BTW that has been found to have more risk than a uniformed police officer), I feel he got what he had coming to him and put himself in the position to get shot. As the officer was ordering him to put his weapon down, I wonder if the same officer was wondering where in the surrounding woods, the son-in-law might have been hiding.

ThackerAgency, bottom line, those who fear the police are the ones that have done something that deserves the fear. What have you done?

rayvet on August 2, 2009 at 7:29 PM

“After a thorough review of the SBI’s report, interviews with the investigating agents, a review of the appropriate legal standards and in consultation with the North Carolina Attorney General’s Office, it appears that Officer Minton’s actions were reasonable and appropriate in response to the perceived use or imminent use of deadly physical force by Mr. Coffey,” Horner said. “Therefore, criminal prosecution of Officer Minton for the shooting death of Clyde Hill Coffey is not warranted.”

Wow, yet another internal investigation determines that the officer is not at fault.

Where have we heard this before?

fossten on August 2, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I will repeat my question since no ring wing nut wants to answer. Should the government get rid of medicare? Because according to conservatives the government shouldn’t be in the health care business. One more question, should the gov also outsource the military health care to a private company?

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM

These questions must be the Leftie talking points because I have seen them almost verbatim elsewhere.

onlineanalyst on August 2, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Bottom line re Medicare (and Medicaid), the federal government had better sort out how to handle the debt/bankruptcy that each is incurring before tackling providing one-size-fits-all national health insurance.

Re our veterans: They deserve Class-A insurance for having served out nation. Let the vets have a choice of plans just as Congress has.

onlineanalyst on August 2, 2009 at 7:38 PM

I couldn’t take sitting there at that roundtable with three liberals. I would have lunged out with my bare hands and starting choking all three. Pencil necked geeks with their talking points.

keep the change on August 2, 2009 at 7:47 PM

She made liberal heads explode. Just what I wanted and expected. Great job Michelle.

kahall on August 2, 2009 at 7:50 PM

It’s SOOOOOooooo painful to listen to the rest of the panel. Get your own show Michelle! (Maybe once your kids are in school?)

Mojave Mark on August 2, 2009 at 7:55 PM

I couldn’t take sitting there at that roundtable with three liberals. I would have lunged out with my bare hands and starting choking all three. Pencil necked geeks with their talking points.

keep the change on August 2, 2009 at 7:47 PM

My feelings exactly.

the_nile on August 2, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Kudos to Stephanopoulos for having her on despite the predictable screeching from the left and for giving her a rare shot at a roundtable discussion.

Kudos? to Staphinfection for havin Michelle on and outnumbered 4 to 1.
Kudos for not havin the guts to take her on himself so she could not really get her points across.
Kudos? I think Michelle should firwe your a$$ for that kind of thinkin!
We all know she would have B-slapped any one or two of those tools but KUDOS? Please wake up!

dhunter on August 2, 2009 at 8:09 PM

ThackerAgency, bottom line, those who fear the police are the ones that have done something that deserves the fear. What have you done?

rayvet on August 2, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I don’t have a problem with your first paragraph, but the founding fathers would not approve of your second.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Kudos? to Staphinfection for havin Michelle on and outnumbered 4 to 1.
Kudos for not havin the guts to take her on himself so she could not really get her points across.
Kudos? I think Michelle should firwe your a$$ for that kind of thinkin!
We all know she would have B-slapped any one or two of those tools but KUDOS? Please wake up!

Kudos to Michelle Malkin for blatantly misquoting an economist on national television to further the wacky theory of how unemployment benefits extend joblessness.

ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Bottom line re Medicare (and Medicaid), the federal government had better sort out how to handle the debt/bankruptcy that each is incurring before tackling providing one-size-fits-all national health insurance.

Re our veterans: They deserve Class-A insurance for having served out nation. Let the vets have a choice of plans just as Congress has.

onlineanalyst on August 2, 2009 at 7:38 PM

So, according to your logic, military veterans and congress can have “Class-A” healthcare which is funding by big-bad government but everyone else can go to hell.

But I thought government did everything wrong?

ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Michelle did great, although came across a little subdued as another commenter mentioned. I watched the footage of the panel discussion on the Internet (does anyone outside the beltway really watch those Sunday morning shows anymore)? I loved her comment about the “redistribution of health.” The other panelists need to get out more, because they were suffering from a severe case of group think; the dumbfounded expression on their faces when Michelle offered a differing view “spoke” for itself. It’s easy to be a Sunday morning quarterback sitting at home in front of a computer, but Michelle’s answer on extending unemployment benefits might have come across shall we say a bit insensitive to a non-ideological, ordinary viewer (if there are any). No disrespect intended to Michelle whatsoever, but maybe a better answer might have been something along the lines of “there are many good, hardworking people who are still looking for work and therefore need UC benefits. But the best way to help them is get the economy on track, and get the government out of the private sector.” Something like that. Got the DVR scheduled to record The View tomorrow although it may be painful to watch! Good luck Michelle.

igcblogger on August 2, 2009 at 8:33 PM

ThackerAgency, bottom line, those who fear the police are the ones that have done something that deserves the fear. What have you done?

rayvet on August 2, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I know we need the police. And they have demanding jobs that take a high toll both physically and personally. And there are cops I’ve known and liked personally.

But to fear the cops is rational and necessary — even when you’ve done nothing wrong. A police friend recently told me that they can “always find a reason” to justify a stop. And he gave me a look of surprise and disbelief when I said that there is a constitutional prohibition against unreasonable searches.

When police can “always find a reason” to stop you, question you and look into your possessions, then they can always claim probable cause for whatever they find. If being “innocent” means you have nothing to fear regarding unreasonable search and seizure then exactly why was it put in the bill of rights?

And if stopping cars at for seatbelt, alcohol or drug checks isn’t a violation of the presumtion of innocence then I don’t know what is.

flicker on August 2, 2009 at 8:35 PM

BS – The officer has certain duties:

1. Make sure no crime occurred

2. Even after Gates showed it was his own home the officer had a duty to chec the house to make sure that a member of Gates family etc was not being held hostage to make Gates get rid of the police – especially after Gates had his temper tntrum. When Gates tried to stop the police Gates interfered with an officer performing his LAWFUL AND REQUIRED DUTY and could have been correctly charged with a felony – the police were letting him off easy with the charge actually made. The city effed up by dropping charges.

bill30097 on August 2, 2009 at 7:07 PM

OK, let me follow the logic here. A police officer shows up after a call about a break-in to find a man entering into his own home. The man is upset that he has to prove that he lives in his own home so he verbally vents his frustration at the officer in his own home. The man never physically assaults the officer. The officer then arrests the man in his own home.

And now you want to lock someone up for exercising their first amendment rights in their own home.

Awesome.

ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 8:38 PM

So, according to your logic, military veterans and congress can have “Class-A” healthcare which is funding by big-bad government but everyone else can go to hell.

But I thought government did everything wrong?

ckoeber on August 2, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Pretty screwy line of thinking, innit? Get elected or sign up to possibly get killed or maimed, or you get 2nd-class healthcare.

And BTW, government healthcare for the military isn’t so rosy anyhow, I’ve heard a number of people griping about it…

Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Two Points:

Why is it that only blacks have had difficult moments with the police? I know lots of white people who have had nerve wracking experiences. If cops are not color blind in this day and age, there must be a factor to incubate the bad behavior by police that nobody is mentioning. It is not mentioned by anyone in politics, with the exception of Ann Coulter.

This was not MM’s finest hour. Of course, the loaded opposition ahd a lot to do with it.

IlikedAUH2O on August 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Like government healthcare? Check out a VA hospital.

IlikedAUH2O on August 2, 2009 at 8:45 PM

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