Video: Birthers vs. “moderates”
posted at 11:29 am on August 2, 2009 by Allahpundit
Something light for Sunday morning touching on a point Ace made in the comments to his Birther thread yesterday. Not everything that hurts Obama is ipso facto “conservative” — or is it?
This is again what I object to:
Step 1: Decide what would be best, if true, for conservatives or a specific conservative like Sarah Palin.
Step 2: Claim enthusiastically that that MUST be true simply because it would be HELPFUL were it true.
Step 3: Attack those who doubt that this helpful thing is true by accusing them of being insufficently conservative and/or deliberately attempting to sabotage “the team.”
Look, this is f***ing bullsh*t. Things are either true or they are not true. I am tired of this attitude that our every waking thought and utterance must be directed to advancing the Conservatively Correct Message of the Day.
This is not a frigging David Axelrod astroturfing organization. We are allowed to have thoughts which are “unhelpful.’
Best line from the clip: The one about Mitt Romney. Or maybe the “militia” line. I can’t decide. Mild content warning.
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Thanks.
Ronnie on August 2, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Tell me, why is that more convincing than the COLB? You have no idea where it came from or who has it, and you’ve seen one photo of it. Could it be because you want it to be real?
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 7:59 PM
I clearly observe that you seem to find having your own tables turned on you to be rather disconcerting. Uncomfortable feeling is it not?
semloh on August 2, 2009 at 8:07 PM
You do? How do you do that?
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 8:15 PM
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semloh, you called that right. This is going to be fun to watch. Popcorn time.
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Pablo, the reason I’m leaning toward the Kenyan being more convincing is because the person who put it on the internet did NOT STOP with the internet. SHE’S ASKING FOR A COURT ORDERED AUTHENTICATION… like McCain’s- by an independent court-certified forensic document examiner.
And there are 3 pictures of Obama’s supposed Kenyan B.C.(not 1) of it posted- 2 are close-ups. And unlike the COLB, THE SEAL IS CLEARLY VISIBLE AS IS THE SIGNATURE. Are you afraid to see it for yourself?
NightmareOnKStreet on August 2, 2009 at 8:34 PM
No “saddly obligatory” Kenyan birth certificate thread yet? It would be hillarious if the Kenya birthers were right all along.
Buddahpundit on August 2, 2009 at 8:39 PM
I suggest you shut your ignorant pie hole, his transcripts are irrelevant, they mean nothing. His being born in Kenya violates Article II Section 1 of the US Constitution and qualifies under Article II Section 4 as grounds for impeachment.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 8:40 PM
OT, from Drudge:
Get ready for ObamaCare:
http://tinyurl.com/l8s8xk
JackOkie on August 2, 2009 at 8:51 PM
So, Allah, you do realize that if you don’t post a thread of this story about Orly Taitz ASKING THE COURT TO AUTHENTICATE this (more convincing than the COLB) supposed Obama’s Kenyan registration of birth (a picture would be too much to ask for) you’ll lose whatever credibility you may have left (after admitting your own bias in the original thread) with a large group of your readers?
NightmareOnKStreet on August 2, 2009 at 8:59 PM
ROTFLMAO…. Nope, you wont see that thread here under any circumstances because neither ED nor Allahpundit has the stomach to admit they might have been wrong on the Birther issue.
They’ll continue with the disrespecting Birther threads and if it turns out that the Kenyan birth certificate is genuine they’ll ignore it mostly or pretend that they were neutral on the subject.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Make mine extra butter, k?
Have you read this thread, Nightmare? Did you read this? She has no idea whether it’s authentic. I know you think the State of Hawaii is part of the vast Obama conspiracy, buy they’ve verified the Obama doc. And last I checked, they’re not the internet.
A forensic document examiner is not going to authenticate a photo, which is all she has. If you were to read her filing, which you’ll find a link to in that link above, you’ll see that she’s asking the court to compel Hillary to demand the original (under the assumption that it exists) from Kenyan and/or British authorities. Taitz doesn’t have a document. She has a picture of a document. And if she had a document, which she doesn’t, she wouldn’t need a court order to have it examined.
There is one photo. The close-up are zoomed in sections of the original.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Got any beer? This popcorn’s kinda dry.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 9:06 PM
I suggest that you try to keep up with the conversation before jumping in and making yourself look like a fool.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Sorry…that Kenyan BC looks more insightful than the COLB. That being said..as others and myself have pointed out, the COLB can be authentic, just based on the the Kenyan birth, as foreign born people could have a Hawaiian BC issued to them even though birth took place in another country.
The authenticity of one does not cancel the authenticity of the other. No “forgery” is needed. It just a product of the system at that time in history.
Itchee Dryback on August 2, 2009 at 9:14 PM
“Buddahpundit on August 2, 2009 at 8:39 PM”
dude, i wouldn’t hold your breath …
:-)
/now, if addl. corroboraitng info. can be gained, perhaps …
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 9:18 PM
I suggest that anyone who thinks Obama can’t be impeached if it’s shown he wasn’t born in America is clueless beyond belief. Here’s looking at you, Pablo.
What are you, 15?
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 9:21 PM
“Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 9:21 PM”
1. don’t rag on Pablo, who most assuredly is not 15 …
2. do u really think san fran nan will be rushing to file such articles? srsly?
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Make mine extra butter, k?
Have you read this thread, Nightmare? Did you read this? She has no idea whether it’s authentic. I know you think the State of Hawaii is part of the vast Obama conspiracy, buy they’ve verified the Obama doc. And last I checked, they’re not the internet.
To be continued…previous submission stuck in comment filter.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 9:25 PM
A forensic document examiner is not going to authenticate a photo, which is all she has. If you were to read her filing, which you’ll find a link to in that link above, you’ll see that she’s asking the court to compel Hillary to demand the original (under the assumption that it exists) from Kenyan and/or British authorities. Taitz doesn’t have a document. She has a picture of a document. And if she had a document, which she doesn’t, she wouldn’t need a court order to have it examined.
There is one photo. The close-up are zoomed in sections of the original.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Got any beer? This popcorn’s kinda dry.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 9:25 PM
He was born in Honolulu. It can be shown, it has been shown. Deal with it.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Let’s not forget the left’s behavior with their endless document demands w.r.t. Bush National Guard service. When they could not find anything damaging they fabricated their weak CYA memo. Did the D leadership distance themselves from that? No! Kerry had his “Fortunate Son” attck ad strategy coordinated with Rather’s fraud.
At least the Birthers are after a real document; not some lame note-to-file.
/Just Sayin’
kooly on August 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM
“it has been shown”
again, this is where we part company. it’s been stated but NOT shown …
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Admittedly I am jumping in this in the middle but doesn’t the picture show that the residence of the father is Hawaii? Doesn’t that indicate the possibility that he was a resident of Hawaii? Is there anything on the father’s citizenship? If he was a citizen doesn’t the son of a citizen, regardless of where he is born, make him a citizen. The mother is a citizen and maybe that is his link to citizenship. Seriously, just asking.
DrM2B on August 2, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Meanwhile CNN, NBC, CBS, NYT and WP have no plans to redeploy their troops from Wasilla to Kenya.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Yes, but since it’s Samuel Adams you cant have any because Sam would choke you to death if you tried to drink it. Oh and no worries, being a fool is your job I have no intention of trying to out fool you.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Doesn’t matter.
If it looks like he was hiding information and being deceitful to the American people for his own gain, that will remove him from any future credibility and trust in his words and policies…. for him and the liberal left politicians who tried to belittle those who simply wanted to know.
However it ends up, this is no small issue imo.
Itchee Dryback on August 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM
No, it has been shown that he was born in Kenya, you deal with it.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM
“doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM”
can we PLEASE knock off the gratuitous name calling of otherwise fine folk who don’t happen to hew the birther line?
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 9:31 PM
“DrM2B on August 2, 2009 at 9:28 PM”
barry sr. was born in British-occupied kenya and died in independent kenya, having been a citizen of the crown and later its newly-autonomous colony his whole life. that’s just one of the MANY “items of interest” that, imo, should clearly influence any determination of zero’s “natural born” status …
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Just produce the birth certificate,not a photo,or
photo-copy,or one done in crayon by Rosie O’Donnell!
canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 9:36 PM
You tell me….
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Barack Obama’s Senior’s residence is irrelevant. He was never a citizen. If Barry was not born in America he’s ineligible. Surprisingly, Obama may be refusing to produce his LFBC because it will lead to the conclusion that he wasn’t born in a Hawaiian hospital… and not in America- though I suspect that if it’s shown he wasn’t born in a hospital in Hawaii the media, and the two stalwarts at this site, will close ranks around: Well this doesn’t prove he wasn’t born in America.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM
I partly disagree. McCain’s knee-jerk demeanor in “suspending” his campaign (which only cost him an appearance on Letterman, natch) did indeed hurt him…but so did his concentration on the non-issue issues, like Ayers. The public attention span had already moved on.
When the economy is coming down like a bag of bricks, people don’t care about character assassination.
Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Dude, I go to their tastings. And my favorite quote in the world is this one.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 9:43 PM
I think at this point Taitz is keeping the pot boiling. All she’s doing is asking for confirmation that the b/c is genuine, which any buyer would do for any item requiring authentication, like an alleged antique. If Clinton declines to act on the request, it makes it look as if there is something to hide. If she acts on the request, then either Kenya agrees or declines. It may be no more than a tactic to keep the whole issue before the public. And now – Wow! – we have two birth certificates over which to chew on each other.
JackOkie on August 2, 2009 at 9:43 PM
“doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM”
I’ll admit it cuts both ways, but over the past 24 hrs. it has been significantly lopsided re: the personal slanders …
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM
By the way, let’s run through another scenario if this conspiracy were hypothetically true.
Let’s say Obama is all some of us claim he is.
1) Marxist
2) Power-hungry
3) Future leader of authoritarian state
4) Actually a Kenyan by birth
5) Probably an Indonesian citizen too
6) Afraid of his “real” information getting out and overthrowing his reign
Given the above conditions…what lengths would Obama be ready to stretch to in order to sustain his prolonged sitting on the Constitution, bank takeovers, construction of Great Society II, kicking of puppies, and possible extension of the Presidency for life?
The logical conclusion is that he would stoop to ANY length.
Including targeted suppression and assassination of those who stand to reveal his secrets and prematurely end his reign.
So…he’s had a while to do something about it, as the movement is, according to its followers, “gathering steam” and on the verge of a breakthrough.
How come WND is still operating? How come everybody who’s challenged Obama’s standing hasn’t died in suspicious car crashes?
Because the truth is Obama has nothing to fear from this movement. (And the lesser truth, lost in the confusion, is that he’s actually not that evil…)
Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Certainly no one could believably accuse either of them of being prime examples of “Profiles in Courage”. Clearly neither is a Major Cook and unlike him, they have only a smirk on their faces to lose.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 9:49 PM
“Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM”
er, IF your last sentence is so, then why not release the documentation?
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Pablo:
That’s one of my favorite quotes as well. Your last post shows that while we’re arguing over tactics, we are united in our commitment to liberty.
BTW, when I sometimes get discouraged over the mountain we have to climb, I re-read Patrick Henry’s address to the Virginia delegates to the First Continental Congress at St. John’s church, and this line in particular re-invigorates me:
“Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power.”
JackOkie on August 2, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Do your homework, last time I was on was what Friday morning? I’m pretty sure what ever happened in the last 24 hours went on without my involvement.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Because he enjoys laughing at Republicans. If there’s no danger in holding out for longer, why not keep it going and smear the entire opposing party?
The GOP successfully rode the truther horse for quite a long time, remember.
Before anybody jumps on me about how the issue of birth has SO much less moving parts than the 9/11 conspiracy theories, consider this one:
Bush knew about the attacks beforehand and allowed them to happen to their full scope in order to direct public opinion to his pre-planned invasions.
Simple, eh?
Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 9:57 PM
In their defense, neither Ed nor Allahpundit are paid to be “Profiles in Courage”, they get paid to stir up muck and get people posting/talking about issues.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 9:58 PM
However he is claiming citizenship it seems that he has it through his mother unless she renounced her citizenship. She had resided in the USA for the requisite number of years and is a natural born citizen. He is shady is trying to keep people in the dark about these things but in the end it seems he can claim citizenship in other ways. Just opining.
DrM2B on August 2, 2009 at 9:58 PM
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FIFY
NightmareOnKStreet on August 2, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Two certifiates but only one is an Original. Unless Obama releases his original LFBC the only logical conclusion is that the Kenyan certificate is the authentic one.
Despite the ignorant birther name calling from people like AP I’ve had an open mind on the issue but I’m not going to tie myself in knots trying to rationalize the refusal of Obama to release his LFBC. I will draw the appropriate inference and I suggest that everyone else with an open mind do the same.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 10:00 PM
In a word, NO. Wishful thinking on your part at best. His personal legal fee’s for sealing all his records from public scrutiny is far in excess of one million dollars, remember, that is out of his own pocket. Nobody enjoys sticking it to their political opponents that much.
doriangrey on August 2, 2009 at 10:01 PM
This is very entertaining! “B-B-Bush…” “N-N-Nixon…”
NightmareOnKStreet on August 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM
No they’re not. This has been pointed out to you repeatedly, and you continue to ignore it. That, my friend, is because you are a nut.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Did you even read that document? the one titled Certified Copy of Registration of Birth? That original?
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:04 PM
That was a remark on the revised Truther Theory. But regarding his fees…can I see a source for that?
Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Exactly right, Jack.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Not just simple, but simple minded, and stupid. If Bush had thwarted the attacks a grateful nation would have granted him hero staus and carte blanche to do what was necessary to prevent other attacks.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM
They have some $800K paid by the campaign to Perking Coale and they’ve decided that is all dedicated to birther suits. In other words, they’re making stuff up and passing it around.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Someone, on a thread a few days ago, I don’t recall whom, said that he would have gained so much respect for Professor Gate’s if he had just admitted after his “beerfest” and walk following Obama out of the White House, with Crowley, not Obama, helping him, that he had been wrong about Crowley and had himself been guilty of profiling.
I would regain so much lost respect for Allahpundit and Ed if they would just do the same thing that Professor Gates should have done. They would not, by any means, need to “embrace” the “bither” position, but just admit, upon further reflection of their “lynch” the “bithers” stance, that the “birthers” are asking legitimate questions after all and have brought up legitimate points after all. That would be it, at least for now, depending on what further “shakes out”. Until then they could then just “embrace” an “agnostic” position.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 10:09 PM
It’s a certified copy of the original, dummy.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Not necessarily. See all the foiled terrorist attacks against US interests after 9/11 and all the glory Bush got for them. I can see it now: “A bunch of cavemen with box cutters toppling the cornerstones of America? Absurd!” In fact, this is one of the more popular lines among many individuals in the Truther movement.
If Bush jumped from Air Force One onto each plane and killed the terrorists with his bare hands (analogous to some Chuck Norris movie), THEN he would be granted status to invade.
Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Taitz is requesting a court order to compel Clinton. I highly doubt she’ll get it. This will go the way of every one before it.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:12 PM
“Luka on August 2, 2009 at 10:09 PM”
ed appears to have personally already made up his mind and posted as such. a.p., as per usual, is keeping his personal thoughts a bit closer to the vest and, imo, is prolly the one who posts most if not all the birther items in the headlines …
/btw, when you say birthers are “asking legitimate questions” that invites comparison to toofers. Birthers are seeking documents that we’re told exist yet can’t be viewed; there’s a difference …
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Which makes it not an original, dummy.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:14 PM
The point is that every conspiracy theory is wrong for the same reasons. There are always too many people involved, too much forethought, too great an estimation of the evil puppeteer/antichrist’s intellect (commonly elevated to godlike levels), and on many occasions elaborately impossible Rube Goldberg schemes.
Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 10:16 PM
“Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:09 PM”
hey pal, the burden of proof is on the campaign to itemize such significant sums of money. BESIDES birther lawsuits, what have they had to defend themselves against over the past several months?!
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Basilsbest and Pablo, don’t make me come in there!
JackOkie on August 2, 2009 at 10:18 PM
That makes no sense imo. Maybe I’m not grasping the parallels you’re trying to make. Can you clarify what you think the similarities are?
Itchee Dryback on August 2, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Good post but please don’t use the disdainful term birthers. It is a cluelessly dishonest and dismissive term to apply to people who want to see the original qualifying document. We don’t claim Obama was born in Kenya. Despite his refusal to produce his LFBC most of us have not yet drawn that conclusion. We base our opinion on evidence, not hunches or guesses.
Call us Documenters or Due Diligencers or Just Effing Logical but do no fall into the trap of using the bliefers stupid, idiotic term to refer to us.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 10:20 PM
I am well aware of the difference, and I think it is both, and I suppose “asking legitimate questions” does, in a sense, “invite” comparisons, but only to a very unscrupulous nature, which I suppose is mainly what we are dealing with here.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Legal fees aren’t limited to defense of anything. Presidential campaigns have lawyers, dude.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Well thats just the point with this. There is no complicated conspiracy needed.
Hawaiian law provided for foreign born children to have an Hawaiian BC issued to them.
Simple as that.
Itchee Dryback on August 2, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Basil:
Also Basil:
More Basil:
Do you prefer the term “liar”?
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:23 PM
A properly cerified copy of the original is as good as the original. I’ll settle for a properly certified copy of Obama’s LFBC.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I think you may have missed my point in using “bithers”, even though I did put quotes around it, as it was pretty much the same point that you are now making. It was directed at those of the ad hominem sort who use it. And I might add, they use it vary much like those who use the “N” word use that “ers” term.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM
The point is that the birth conspiracy and this version of Trutherism are compatible on the level of complexity.
For the birth conspiracy to be reality, Obama would have to sit on his real records, forge a COLB, pay off a few judges, journalists, anybody who’s supposedly validated his BC, and possibly members of Congress, then continue sitting on his records while President. As far as I can sum in a minute or so.
For this version of the 9/11 conspiracy to be reality, Bush would have had to plan the invasion of Iraq in advance, then upon receiving credible intelligence of the 9/11 strike, either avoid taking action, surreptitiously disrupt counterterrorist efforts, or take pointless action. The only people who might know about his scheming would be Cheney and certain high-ranking members of the intelligence community. This, of course, is quite distinct from the controlled-demolition theory, which assumes that the laws of physics and explosives changed for a day, thermite is a valid method of destroying high-rise structures, thousands of people working in the WTC complex never noticed tons of explosives being planted on several floors, the security was paid off, every society of structural engineers is being paid off…etc.
I’d say the redacted 9/11 conspiracy and the birth tales are more comparable in complexity.
Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Assuming this is true, then there is no way to prove Obama’s illegitimacy.
Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Oh, like a COLB?
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Birtherism is not the new black.
Black Yoshi on August 2, 2009 at 10:31 PM
I’m not Basil, dummy. Basil’s the guy who signed my LFBC. I see you can’t read or think.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 10:32 PM
I see you can’t ague your position.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Itchee Dryback on August 2, 2009 at 10:33 PM
ague = argue
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:33 PM
What do you mean?
Itchee Dryback on August 2, 2009 at 10:35 PM
No one said it was “the new black”. Some very clearly use their new found “B” word in a way very reminiscent of those who used the “N” word. Both what I said and it’s use are as clear as day.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Breaking: Obama is the Antichrist. Proof!
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Too late for this argument. All of us now know that Hawaii issued birth certificates to children not born in Hawaii and simply on the say so of the mother. The COLB is only persuasive to people who aren’t really intersted in the truth: Deomocrats like you, Pablo. We due diligencers want to see the LFBC.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 10:39 PM
No, the point you are making is that you are an ad hominem stereotyper and in the extreme.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Don’t you mean Demoncrats, moron? You really ought to pay attention and stop jumping to conclusions unsupported by facts, genius.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:42 PM
There’s no way to know for sure whether the document is real until it is authenticated.
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Can anyone tell which document I’m referring to? Nope. Why? Because so far BOTH the Kenyan Registration of Birth & the Hawaiian COLB APPEAR ONLINE ONLY. Until the paper copy is examined by an independent court-certified forensic document examiner- NO ONE CAN KNOW FOR CERTAIN.
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But of the two, ONLY ONE of them is being OFFERED TO A COURT FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION & AUTHENTICATION- the Kenyan one- with the visible seal and signature- unlike Obama’s I-called-it-in-what-more-do-you-want? COLB.
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I love hearing the squeals of “how do you know it’s real, it’s only a picture/photocopy/facsimile/fantasy?” That’s exactly what all the people who have been ridiculed & dismissed as psychos etc for months have been saying.
NightmareOnKStreet on August 2, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Wrong. The COLB has been examined in person and its provenance has been confirmed by the issuing authority. You may not want to recognize those facts, but they are facts.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Completely wrong. Read the thread. Read the Taitz filing. THEY DON’T HAVE A DOCUMENT TO EXAMINE. No document is on offer to the Court. A photo of a document is all they’re working with.
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Pablo:
Unless Dr. Fukino was sworn, or signed an affidavit, then nothing has really been confirmed. If I had a nickle for every public statement that was no longer operative (God bless Ron Ziegler!) – let’s see, Elliot Spitzer, Mark Sanford, Rod Blagovich – well, you get the idea.
JackOkie on August 2, 2009 at 10:54 PM
I think, moron, that the most accurate term is dimocrats. Can we all agree on that, genius?
KentAllard on August 2, 2009 at 10:54 PM
You clearly don’t understand the issue, Black Yoshi. All Obama has to do is not release his LFBC. His friends in the media and Judges trying to avoid a constitutioanl crisis are doing the rest.
Read this:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697
It will give you some insight as to why the KOS-Annenberg COLB doesn’t resolve the issue. Obama is counting on the nation having the superficial mentality of Ed, AP and Pablo. Their cluelessness on the issue is defined by their use of the idiotic term birther to describe those of us who have an open mind on where Obama was born. Birther – as if the request for the production of original qualifying documentation can be equated with the insane truther conspiracy.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Clearly they are basically attempting to do the same thing that Hitler did with the Jews, in the early part of his “career”, they just haven’t gotten physically violent.
Now maybe that is a little extreme to say, but not by much.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 11:03 PM
I think, moron, that the most accurate term is dimocrats. Can we all agree on that, genius?
KentAllard on August 2, 2009 at 10:54 PM
KentAllard:I like LibTards,or DemoRats,that works as well!
– -:)
canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 11:04 PM
“Luka on August 2, 2009 at 11:03 PM”
did u just prove godwin’s law with the admins. of this site?!?!?
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 11:07 PM
You Canadians have such a way of cutting to the chase!
KentAllard on August 2, 2009 at 11:08 PM
When posting that I just followed somebody-or-other’s Law of Regrettable, but Inescapable Conclusions.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 11:14 PM
“Luka on August 2, 2009 at 11:14 PM”
u might want to think about asking to “revise and extend”
/jus’ sayin’ …
Buckaroo on August 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM
I see no reason to revise and, at least at this point, I would not extend my critique beyond what I have already stated.
Luka on August 2, 2009 at 11:20 PM
KentAllard:I like LibTards,or DemoRats,that works as well!
- -:)
canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 11:04 PM
You Canadians have such a way of cutting to the chase!
KentAllard on August 2, 2009 at 11:08 PM
KentAllard: Don’t forget how polite we Canadians are!!
Tee-Hee:)
canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Dr. Fukino is not a politician. But she is a Republican.
Are you suggesting that any statement not made under oath should be considered false?
Pablo on August 2, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Luka, that’s going way too far. Please apologize. They are likely afraid of being crucified by the in the tank MSM as are most Republican politicians. At some point some prominent person will feel comfortable enough to do what must be done and then the dam will break.
Basilsbest on August 2, 2009 at 11:33 PM
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