Times of London: Iran just waiting for Khamenei’s order to build a bomb

posted at 7:35 pm on August 2, 2009 by Allahpundit

We knew they had enough low-enriched uranium for one bomb. What we didn’t know is that they might already have perfected the process by which uranium is highly enriched and then weaponized in a warhead. Oh, and some more good news: No one’s sure if Khamenei’s already given the order, which means the countdown might already have begun.

No worries, though. Hillary promised you their pursuit of nukes would be futile, didn’t she?

Iran has perfected the technology to create and detonate a nuclear warhead and is merely awaiting the word from its Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to produce its first bomb, Western intelligence sources have told The Times.

The sources said that Iran completed a research programme to create weaponised uranium in the summer of 2003 and that it could feasibly make a bomb within a year of an order from its Supreme Leader.

A US National Intelligence Estimate two years ago concluded that Iran had ended its nuclear arms research programme in 2003 because of the threat from the American invasion of Iraq. But intelligence sources have told The Times that Tehran had halted the research because it had achieved its aim — to find a way of detonating a warhead that could be launched on its long-range Shehab-3 missiles…

“If the Supreme Leader takes the decision (to build a bomb), we assess they have to enrich low-enriched uranium to highly-enriched uranium at the Natanz plant, which could take six months, depending on how many centrifuges are operating. We don’t know if the decision was made yet,” said the intelligence sources, adding that Iran could have created smaller, secret facilities, other than those at the heavily guarded bunker at Natanz to develop materials for a first bomb. Inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency only keep tabs on fissile material produced at monitored sites and not the number of centrifuges that Iran has built…

If Iran’s leader does decide to build a bomb, he will have two choices, intelligence sources said. One would be to take the high-risk approach of kicking out the international inspectors and making a sprint to complete Iran’s first bomb, as the country weathered international sanctions or possible air strikes in the ensuing crisis. The other would be to covertly develop the materials needed for an arsenal in secret desert facilities.

Any reason to believe Iran might have those “smaller, secret facilities” needed to build a bomb covertly? Why, yes: According to an NYT story published in January, a classified portion of that 2007 NIE described at great length analysts’ “suspicion that Iran had 10 or 15 other nuclear-related facilities, never opened to international inspectors, where enrichment activity, weapons work or the manufacturing of centrifuges might be taking place.” Combine the fact that that rather significant detail was omitted from the public debate at the time with the report’s increasingly discredited conclusion that Iran gave up its program in 2003 and you’ve got one of the most astounding intelligence failures in U.S. history, with potentially graver consequences than either 9/11 or the WMD intel on Iraq.

As for the Revolutionary Guard supposedly waiting on Khamenei, if there’s any lesson to be drawn from the Iranian election fiasco, it’s that increasingly the Guard itself calls the shots in Iran. I’ve always thought the simplest and most logical explanation of why Khamenei backed Ahmadinejad’s rigging of the election is that he feared being deposed if he didn’t. If that’s true and he went along to protect his own power, why wouldn’t he also go along with a demand from the Guard to approve construction of the bomb? At the very least, with Mousavi, Khatami, and Rafsanjani galvanizing public opinion against him, he’s in no position anymore to deny the Guard’s requests; not only his power but his safety may depend on their support. And as for The One, at last check, Iran has until September to “reach out” or “unclench its fist” or say “yes we can” to negotiations. Any chance that he’s starting to think about Plan B? Normally I’d say no, but after reading this, I wonder…

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Combine the fact that that rather significant detail was omitted from the public debate at the time with the report’s increasingly discredited conclusion that Iran gave up its program in 2003 and you’ve got one of the most astounding intelligence failures in U.S. history, with potentially graver consequences than either 9/11 or the WMD intel on Iraq.

That wasn’t an intelligence failure. It was a deliberate subornation of our President’s foreign policy and they will never pay the penalty they deserve.

a capella on August 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Any chance that he’s starting to think about Plan B?

Yeah. And it will probably be something that Bush pursued as well. Then he’ll turn around and Blame Bush for making him do it.

Weight of Glory on August 2, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Comes a horseman.

Limerick on August 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Bush should have whacked Iran years ago

clnurnberg on August 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM

BushJimmah should have whacked Iran years ago

clnurnberg on August 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM

FIFY

Limerick on August 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM

and you’ve got one of the most astounding intelligence failures in U.S. history, with potentially graver consequences than either 9/11 or the WMD intel on Iraq.

Doesn’t shock the way it used to.

JiangxiDad on August 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM

How many more shopping days until the next “Death to America” day…………?

Seven Percent Solution on August 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Limerick, Jimmah is the FATHER of the Islamist Iran, why would he kill his own beloved chile?

clnurnberg on August 2, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Any chance that he’s starting to think about Plan B?

Oh come now. We already know Barry’s strategy is fully planned out: Plan A is to talk the crazy mullahs into voluntarily giving up their nuclear ambitions using the force of Barry’s sparkling personality, his sympathetic Muslim background (“I lived in Indonesia when I was six!”), and brilliant Harvard Law Review mind.

Plan B is to have the United Nations issue a stern resolution strongly condemning Iran for nuking Israel off the map.

AZCoyote on August 2, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Plan B visual.

Weight of Glory on August 2, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Bunker Busters kick ass. I want one.

BPD on August 2, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Legitimately frightened

blatantblue on August 2, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Actaully, this one is my favorite.

Weight of Glory on August 2, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Well, if you have any relatives or friends in Israel make sure you let them know how you feel.

TXMomof3 on August 2, 2009 at 7:56 PM

The NIE wasn’t a straightforward intelligence favor. It was a mini-putsch by State Department washouts who maneuvered their way into the NIC, wrote the NIE summary, and made sure that it got spun by sympathetic journalists – Roger Cohen, Andrew Sullivan, etc – to stymie the neocons of their fevered imagination.

It’s not exactly a secret who did the writing or who bumped the report up. That’s why Bush put it in a drawer: it was a political document not an intelligence document.

Ditto for foreign policy experts who spent the last decade coming up with reasons why Iran would never get the bomb: the regime is too divided, they can’t get the materials, they can’t cascade their centrifuges, they can’t purify the uranium sufficiently, etc. They weren’t wrong. They were just circulating pretexts for inaction in bad faith.

omriceren on August 2, 2009 at 7:59 PM

“Intelligence failure” not “intelligence favor.” #ironyfail

omriceren on August 2, 2009 at 7:59 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Hey , lets shut down missile defense. CASH FOR CLUNKERS.

the_nile on August 2, 2009 at 8:03 PM

TimesOnline:

If Tehran fails to respond, Washington aims to build a tough international coalition to impose harsh sanctions focusing on petroleum products — an area where Iran is particularly vulnerable because it sends almost all of its crude abroad for refinement.

No problem, got it covered.
No, really, trust us.
/sarc

califdreamnred on August 2, 2009 at 8:05 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Go play in traffic :)

TXMomof3 on August 2, 2009 at 8:06 PM

This may be the longest running, slow motion train wreck in human history…and not, that article not withstanding, there is no circumstance I could imagine that The Won would stir himself to actually defend the US from this.

Really, this slow drip, drip, drip is a form of torture. I almost wish the already had the damn bomb and we could just get it over with. We know our limp POTUS isn’t going to stop them, so let’s just have it now.

AUINSC on August 2, 2009 at 8:09 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Iran?

Your same logic can be used to say Woodrow Wilson should have stopped Japan.

Make no mistake, son, conservatives are trying to avoid the very massacre you accuse them of seeking. If the MullahBomb, in any form, is ever used in anger our brothers and sisters in Israel will remove a lot of DNA from the land of Xerxes.

Oh, and just to make things clear: “God’s speed to David”

Limerick on August 2, 2009 at 8:12 PM

The Chinese and Russins would not agree to sanctions and Hillary and Obama know it.

Wethal on August 2, 2009 at 8:12 PM

Go play in traffic :)

TXMomof3 on August 2, 2009 at 8:06 PM

I’ll drive!

clnurnberg on August 2, 2009 at 8:17 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

You are so right. How could we not have seen this coming.

thomasaur on August 2, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Have no fear,Super Hillary,Neville Obama Chamberlain,
are on the wall,drinking kool-aid in the watch tower,
and have HOPE that the Israel’s CHANGE things!!!!!!!!!
– -(Snark).

canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 8:19 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Go play in traffic :)

TXMomof3 on August 2, 2009 at 8:06 PM

With all due respect TXMom, I have to agree with the liberal troll on this one.

Bush stated emphatically that we would never allow Iran to build a bomb, then he did nothing about it, even while the Revolutionary Guard was participating in the killing of U.S. troops in Iraq.

Probably Bush’s greatest failing – of many.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

So by those standards I’m sure you blamed the Clinton Administration for the intelligence failures that led to 9/11.

thomasaur on August 2, 2009 at 8:25 PM

A US National Intelligence Estimate two years ago concluded that Iran had ended its nuclear arms research programme in 2003 because of the threat from the American invasion of Iraq.

True, and right after that they stated “We assess with moderate confidence Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.” (Page 6) That’s a good deal less than assurance that Iran’s program remained halted.

How about this little gem on page 7: “We judge with moderate confidence that the earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon is late 2009, but that this is very unlikely.” This should give some idea of what “moderate confidence” means.

ss396 on August 2, 2009 at 8:25 PM

ss396 on August 2, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Name:

Chevy or U.S.S. Ronquil?

Limerick on August 2, 2009 at 8:27 PM

That wasn’t an intelligence failure. It was a deliberate subornation of our President’s foreign policy and they will never pay the penalty they deserve.

a capella on August 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Only if they kept that part of the intelligence report from Bush, which cannot be the case.

ProfessorMiao on August 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

No one’s sure if Khamenei’s already given the order, which means the countdown might already have begun.

The countdown began long ago. Bush was cowed by the clinically insane liberals who played politics with everything they could lay their hands on, including Iraq and Iran’s bomb – as proven by the liberals having put up an ineligible America-hater whose intention was to let Iran get the bomb and run wild. We shall all pay dearly for their suicidal insanity and anti-Western fervor.

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

And insane, lowlife liberals did everything they could to stop him. They were successful in this, unfortunately, and this is what we now have. Of course, these same liberal scumbags are now working to kill Israel while they wait for Iran to finish their atomic work. Despicable, lying scumbags is what you people are. But, you people love blood on your hands. It makes you all feel good, for some odd reason. Well, you’re about to get a lot more. Congratulations, traitors.

progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Typical disingenuous talking point. The left put Bush on notice straight away that he better not even think about taking any action against Iran or the Iraq protests would look like child’s play. He should have ignored them, but that’s not the point. Obama is doing exactly what the left wants now…so don’t even try to sell the BS line that you care at all. The only possible thing you and Obama care about is how them getting the bomb might affect his poll numbers.

AUINSC on August 2, 2009 at 8:31 PM

No worries, though. Hillary promised you their pursuit of nukes would be futile, didn’t she?

No, Hillary promised to not be intimidated by Iran with nukes.

and you’ve got one of the most astounding intelligence failures in U.S. history

No, it was treasonous, deliberate sabotage of political will to deal with known threats to the United States.

Skandia Recluse on August 2, 2009 at 8:34 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Your Precedent could bomb Iran tomorrow – as he should. But he’d rather bomb Israel. The Iranian nuke comes only with the approval of you and your America-hating Precedent. You own this and you’ll own all the consequences that flow from it. I hope justice is served to you, mercilessly.

progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Only if they kept that part of the intelligence report from Bush, which cannot be the case.

ProfessorMiao on August 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

They forced him to make it public. He knew it would get leaked to the NYT if he didn’t, and so it caused the public reaction they wanted. It prevented any use of force and kicked the can down the road to Obama, knowing full well he won’t do anything meaningful.

a capella on August 2, 2009 at 8:38 PM

The One, at last check, Iran has until September to “reach out” or “unclench its fist” or say “yes we can” to negotiations.

Now why would Obama give a timeline to Iran in the first place? More importantly, why would Obama chose September?

1st Ramadan (Fasting Begins) August 22, 2009
Lailatul-Qadr (Night of Power) September 16, 2009
Eid-al-Fitr (End of Ramadan) September 20, 2009
Eid-Al-Adha: November 27, 2009

Americannodash on August 2, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Oh, and just to make things clear: “God’s speed to David”

Limerick on August 2, 2009 at 8:12 PM

Five smooth stones that happen to glow in the dark.

trubble on August 2, 2009 at 8:39 PM

My opinion is that the decision to invade Iraq instead of Iran was the worst strategic mistake in American history.

Cleary, Iran posed the greater threat and had a documented history of terrorism which resulted in American deaths.

Once Bush had the Congressional and public-opinion mandate for pre-emptive action after 9/11, she should have gone all-out for Iran.

With US troops in occupation all along his border, Sadaam would have been very compliant. In truth, all he really wanted was his palaces and his tyranny over his own people, which was none of our affair.

I also believed at the time that Sadaam had no WMD’s or at least no nuclear program of any consequence. I believed he kept the world guessing about that just to keep Iran off balance. Just lately, some of his American jailers say this is what he confessed to them.

Once Bush bungled the occupation of Iraq, he lost the political capital to invade Iran.

But as Commander in Chief, he still could have bombed the hell out of their nuclear and military facilities.

But he sat on his hands.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 8:40 PM

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Invade a mountain nation of 70 million with what?

Limerick on August 2, 2009 at 8:42 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

liberal343: Have you considered,that Carter,Bill Clinton,
and Madeleine Albright actually heped Iran get
the bomb,by doing nothing,but cry to the UN!!

So,its Bush’s fault according to you,I thought
Liberals wanted all US Military returned to Ame
erican soil!

And,I’m confused,you wanted to cut and run in
Iraq and surrender,but at the same time,Bush
wasn’t aggressive enough!!

Ugh!

canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 8:45 PM

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 8:40 PM

If you play war games at all, of any kind, you quickly learn to not attack your enemies strong points head on. You go around them as MacArthur did in the Pacific, and as the armies of the North and South did not do during the civil war.

Skandia Recluse on August 2, 2009 at 8:47 PM

We saw it coming. And the libs undermined Bush to such an extent that he did nothing about Iran. NOT tht lib BS should have stopped him, not at all, but the grotesque misrepresentation of his achievements (all wars have failed strategies..all)turned the tide and the nation aginst him.

We all (the nation collectively) have failed becuse the media wanted it this wy.

clnurnberg on August 2, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Could this earlier story be an indication that Amawhackjob sought and got approval?

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/23/caught-on-tape-ahmadinejad-and-clerics-conspire-to-eliminate-iranian-democracy/

“All the things that we have planned and talked about, is becoming a reality.

This plan needs strong ideological and operational support from you. The best place to start it is right here and in front of you. Who have the foresight, passion, experience and fortitude to ensure that it takes shape and becomes a reality.

I think timing is right, all necessary arrangements have been made. I seek your support and help. I am almost nobody compared to you in this struggle, in this grand movement. This is a blessing and is the beginning of a grand evolution in the world. I think this can become a reality. And building Iran as an example for others to follow and be a witness to on the road to realize the grand Islam.

It is possible to accomplish this, otherwise I would not be here sitting with you. Tehran is ready; the university is working on implementing it. Everything is taken care of in Tehran; we need your endorsement and approval.”

L2G on August 2, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Skandia Recluse on August 2, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Amen. The object was to put Iran in a vice. Afghanistan on the left, Iraq on the right. I’ll not fault George for that.

Limerick on August 2, 2009 at 8:49 PM

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Wrong. He could not have just gone into Iran. There were many reasons why Iraq was the entree to cleaning that part of the owrld up, not the least of which were that Iraq was still technically at war with us (shooting at our planes and continuing to violate all terms of the cease fire) and Iraq was secular, taking out the mulsim element of the problem. Everything went incredibly well (the Iraq invasion even scared Quadafi enough to cause him to puke up his whole nuclear program which led us to the whole scope of the AQ Khan network and allowed us to shut that down). Because the Iraq invasion led to Libya and then AQ Khan, this meant that we ended up finding more WMDs (more serious WMDs) and shutting down the transfer of them than anyone ever imagined we would find in Iraq.

Bush was supposed to move against Iran, once Iraq was calmed down, but the liberals raised so much hay about everything that happened in Iraq that it just shut down all political will to do what was necessary. It was all he could do for Bush to just hang onto the edge we had won in Iraq, but he was a beaten man and could not even think of moving against Iran, thanks to liberal treason and Bush’s own reluctance to inflict the sort of pain on Iran that was necessary. In any event, the Plame fiasco ended up shutting down all considerations of any of this, for over a year – and was typical of liberal underhandedness in making sure that America was left as vulnerable and open as possible, and there was that insane NIE to make sure.

Liberals love blood. They love destruction. They love to see civilized societies beaten by savages. They worked hard to bring us to this point and their wishes are coming true.

progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Amen. The object was to put Iran in a vice. Afghanistan on the left, Iraq on the right. I’ll not fault George for that.

Limerick on August 2, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Yep, but the lib baby-killer, torturer lie won the day. Screw our safety and that of our allies aa long as our hads are “clean”Thanks NYT

clnurnberg on August 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM

How many more shopping days until the next “Death to America” day…………?

Seven Percent Solution on August 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Seven Percent Solution:

SPS,don’t forget,”Death to Little Satan”,Israel!
(Just trying to be helpful,SPS:)

And,talk about surreal,a country that has a Holiday celebrating the vapourization of a country!!

And,that video,is no different than,in Germany,at the
outdoor rallys,nazis marching and parading for Hitler!!

Dejuva,all over again!:)

canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 8:53 PM

It really doesn’t matter what Bush did or did not do, Obama is in the chair now. The responsibility has been offered to him, and he took it. It is his to deal with.

OldEnglish on August 2, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Ribs are done. Later HotAirHeads. Happy go back to the grind tomorrow to everyone of you productive people. Trolls, not so much.

Limerick on August 2, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Plan B visual.

Weight of Glory on August 2, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Weight of Glory:Sweet! Needs more cowbell,a bit more
Megatonnage,me thinks!!:)

canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 8:57 PM

canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Liberal is not confused at all . It has its eye on the ball. Obama and Dems can do no wrong and if they do ….blame Bush.

CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Iranian nuke goes off.

Ten seconds later, Obama is on TV saying:

I inherited this atomic explosion from Geoge W. Bush…”

profitsbeard on August 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM

they would have us believe the Dems did not control Congress the past two years

CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:03 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Hey Ho liberal343 is great big idiot!!!!

Bush had every intention of taking out Iran….
The liberals fought hard for Bush to fail in Iraq and they lost.

I am certain Bush would have taken Iran out after the 2004 elections
if Iraq was not going so badly. The Iranians were the biggest reason
that Iraq was a hard fought war of insurgency. Look at how the world
would look today if Iran was free. Not saying Iraq is perfect but not
having Sadam around is priceless.

Bush had no support from the congress after 2006.

izoneguy on August 2, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Catch ya tomorrow Limerick:)

canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Liberal is not confused at all . It has its eye on the ball. Obama and Dems can do no wrong and if they do ….blame Bush.

CWforFreedom on August 2, 2009 at 9:00 PM

CWforFreedom:Good point,the Left wanted Bush to FAIL,
and,the Left is playing politics on American
Security,World Peace,and most of all,the US
Military!:)

canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 9:13 PM

We can talk about what we could have done, but what are the options now?

Once they build the bomb, it’s not like we’re going to find it, our intelligence capabilities just don’t seem up to snuff to intercept it and destroy it before it’s either smuggled somewhere or launched.

So, assuming they continue to do exactly what they say they will, what is our response going to be (not what should it be) when the bomb detonates in Israel?

The only appropriate response is nuclear retaliation but that’s hugely complicated after the way the Iranians revolted a few months ago. So, what do we do, go in for another regime change?

This is such a disaster. And all of it was totally preventable.

John_Locke on August 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM

RIP Israel.

BPD on August 2, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Here are some videos I finally found,on Iraq and
Afghanistan theatre,from the History channel.

Shootout/Return to Fallujah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwFo3NNRSH4&feature=related

Shootout/Iraq’s Ambush Alley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXHcHFatPe8&feature=related

Shootout/Iraqs most wanted terrorist at the border.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXJ-JqNJL5M&feature=related

canopfor on August 2, 2009 at 9:22 PM

We can talk about what we could have done, but what are the options now?

John_Locke on August 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM

The options haven’t changed. We can stop Iran, tomorrow. All it takes is the will to inflict enough pain on Iran, take out its leadership and scientists and it’s all over. There is still time to act.

The main problem is that we have an America-hating traitor in the White House, along with his insane leftist junta, who want Iran to get the bomb. That is the only problem.

But, America knew all this and they still voted for the moronic, un-American traitor. So, the blood shall flow.

progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 9:25 PM

L2G on August 2, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Wasn’t that translated by a friend of AP’s and at the bottom of his message he said something about higher ups needing to see it.

I wonder if he only translated a portion of it and left out any parts that would give away it’s true meaning.

It does make more sense in this context then for the election rioting.

journeyintothewhirlwind on August 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Yeah, and we know that you and those with whom you agree would have supported those actions 100%.

You really are an @$$

AZfederalist on August 2, 2009 at 9:34 PM

progressoverpeace on August 2, 2009 at 8:49 PM

No sense in me pitching in. You’ve said it all and said it well.

Rhinoboy on August 2, 2009 at 9:43 PM

The scene was set long ago for the current election turmoil but the Bamster wanted to be the anti-Bush and didn’t follow thru. If he wouldn’t do that, he won’t do anything.

califdreamnred on August 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM

No worries, though. Hillary promised you their pursuit of nukes would be futile, didn’t she?

That may be but not because of anything Hillary does.

If Iran is to be stopped from having the bomb it will be becuse of Israel.

patrick neid on August 2, 2009 at 9:53 PM

The Iranian bomb will soon be tested in Tel Aviv.
Then subsequent test will likely be Washington DC.

I used my own intelligence to figure that out for free, but if you gave me billions of dollars like the CIA/FBI get then I’m sure I can be be persuaded to be ‘wrong’ on that.

thinkagain on August 2, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Then subsequent test will likely be Washington DC.

I hope they wait until recess is over.

califdreamnred on August 2, 2009 at 9:58 PM

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 8:40 PM

You’re falling into the typical trap of not giving the Democrats enough credit.

fossten on August 2, 2009 at 9:59 PM

thinkagain on August 2, 2009 at 9:54 PM

I doubt the subsequent test will be in DC – wouldn’t the Islamofacists rather glass a conservative area? If they took out DC there would be a chance, however remote, of the new crop of leaders having brains, balls, and a spine. Nuke somewhere else and it’ll probably be business as usual.

Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Endless “talks” eventually lead to war with more people killed than would have been had military action been taken earlier. We are probably going to end up with a nuclear exchange with Iran where things could have ended up quite differently had we not engaged in a decade of useless “talks”.

With North Korea it is 5 decades of useless “talks”.

Talking for the sake of talking solves nothing and gets MORE people killed, not less.

crosspatch on August 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Endless “talks” eventually lead to war with more people killed than would have been had military action been taken earlier.

Your statement reminds me, oddly enough, that Winston Churchill once said that “jaw-jaw is better than war-war”, in response to an accusation that the UN was nothing but a ‘talk shop’.

Sage advice…if it weren’t for the fact that all of Europe including his own home nation nearly ended up under Nazi rule because of too much “jaw-jaw”. What irony!

Dark-Star on August 2, 2009 at 10:17 PM

“Obama May Supplement Wind and Solar Power with Nuclear Energy From Iran and North Korea”: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-plans-to-supplement-wind-and.html

Mervis Winter on August 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM

How about ‘Nookie For Nukes’? Any Iranian turning in an atomic bomb gets to spend a night with Michelle Obama. WHY ARE THEY RUNNING AWAY?

MaiDee on August 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM

“… Energy from Iran and North Korea”

Mervis Nuclear Winter on August 2, 2008 at 10:30 PM

FIFY

profitsbeard on August 2, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Why can’t it be impressed upon these imbeciles (maybe I just answered my own question!?) that one “bomb” confers no real advantage. In fact, all it assures, while your enemy retains a superior second-strike capability, is that your destruction is guaranteed if you are foolish enough to use it. Nothing will generate an asymmetrical response like an ill-conceived and relatively weak nuclear strike against a conventional attack, as Israel is most likely to make within the year. Mullahs only paint a target on themselves by building atomic weapons — Libya eventually learned that lesson.

Maybe we can slant-drill into Iran to get the oil once the surface becomes too radioactive?

jcmorris on August 2, 2009 at 10:52 PM

No worries, though. Hillary promised you their pursuit of nukes would be futile, didn’t she?


No worry here,Hillary will do the only thing liberals know how to do, Blame it on Bush.

well Bush had 8 years to stop it and didn’t. Obama has been here for less than a year. If Iran were to build a bomb today I know where to put the blame

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

What a pathetic joke this post is.

Bush handled Iran exactly the way that liberals want these problems handled,through the UN and with international support.

The UN and EU,the only true authority according to idiots like liberal343 here, showed as much success as they have in Darfur,Rwanda,Nigeria,Somalia,and many other failures of the world body that liberals want to get permission from in National security issues.

Maybe liberal343 could enlighten us and show the liberal leadership that provided a better alternative to stopping Iran outside of a military attack.

Because that is all the liberals did while they were trying to surrender in Iraq and now are looking to run away from Afghanistan,was whine and complain that Bush was going to attack Iran and how much of a disaster it would be.

So far all Obama has done is apologize to the leading terrorist supporting country on Earth and promise to talk to them face to face.
So far Iran has told Obama to go screw himself on this issue.

You liberals said the war could not be won in Iraq and were wrong.
Your Messiah Obama said the surge would not work and he was wrong.
It is now a free country that is not hell bent on destroying it’s neighbors and the US.

Liberals over and over and over said Bush was nothing but a war monger trying to make a reason for war in trying to get to tough with Iran and that Iran was not anywhere close to acquiring a bomb.You were wrong.

Now that your “let’s go through the UN and international community” has been exposed to yet another major failure you want to blame it on Bush.

The last eight years all we have heard is that “The Buck stops at the White House”.
Well your boy Obama is in the White House and when Iran is exposed to having the bomb,it will be on your watch, not Bush’s.

But hey, if you want to play,”he inherited this problem from the previous administration” game,that’s fine to.
Bush inherited the war with al-qaeda from the previous administration, so 9/11 is Clinton’s fault.

In the real world,you can’t have it both ways liberal.

Baxter Greene on August 2, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Wrong. He could not have just gone into Iran

Yes, he could have. He had Congressional approval for pre-emptive war. But he was too obsessed with his father’s failure and Sadaam’s effort to assasinate his father.

It was utterly predictable that once we struck either Iraq or Iran, the Left would mobilize against war. Bush had one window, and he chose the wrong one.

He also didn’t understand Islam. With Iraq being 30% Sunni and 70% Shia, it was predictable that a civil war would erupt once Sadaam was gone.

Iran, on the other hand, is 95% Shia. Thus, no civil war. And Iran had a history of westernzation and a very young, pro-western populace. Once we swept their rulers out of the way, we would have been faced with a much less volatile situation than we faced in Iraq – not to mention borders less prone to smuggling of Jihadists and weapons.

Bush chose the wrong member of the “Axis of Evil”.

And the least dangerous of the three.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 11:43 PM

You’re falling into the typical trap of not giving the Democrats enough credit.

fossten on August 2, 2009 at 9:59 PM

No, I’m not. It was predicatable that Democrats would go after Bush no matter what he did. He had a brief window and he blew it.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 11:45 PM

If I had a dollar for every time the Times of London has been wrong about Iran, Iraq, and Israel, I’d be able to stop working.

I don’t believe a word I read there anymore.

Meryl Yourish on August 2, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Alright, enough history.

What should we do?

Destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities and command-and-control structures by any means necessary. Including nuclear strikes.

Otherwise, we face a mortal EMP strike within 3 years.

Of course, Ogabe won’t do this.

So we can only pray that tiny little Israel will save us.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Hey guys. .. Remember that iranian ship off somalia a couple of months ago..

- iranian ‘ore ship’ with containers on deck gets captured by pirates
- Pirates open containers
- Pirates start to die. Those that don’t die have weird burns, skin falls off, teeth fall out and hair falls out.

Now, pick one of the following choices for the probably contents of the containers:

1. Really bad Mexican Food.
2. Michelle Obama’s used shoes
3. Michael Moores’ old underwear
4. two or more sub critical masses of weapons grade plutonium.

“Hey abdul, what in Allah’s name is that Blue Glow and why is it burning through the deck?”

“Shut up you infidel pig. It is time for evening prayers”

bullseye on August 3, 2009 at 12:04 AM

One way to face the unknown future with regard to Iran is to look at the bright side, and to begin planning for it now. The bright side can be summed up as “We Told You So” and “Shut the Fvck Up.” If Iran, North Korea, or Israel, for that matter, destroys a city, one need not spend the day frowning, shaking one’s head sorrowfully, observing moments of silence, moping, and saying “serious” things. Consider instead: Begin preparing now to spend the day relaxed, smiling, shrugging, and offering variations on, “You’re surprised? Oh, please. We tried to tell you. No, really, it’s too late for all this carrying on.” One can prepare now to treat the big day as a day of personal vindication and vengeance.

Kralizec on August 3, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Otherwise, we face a mortal EMP strike within 3 years.

Of course, Ogabe won’t do this.

So we can only pray that tiny little Israel will save us.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Wanna lose even more sleep?? EMP can be done without a nuke. THAT stinks.

bullseye on August 3, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Wanna lose even more sleep?? EMP can be done without a nuke. THAT stinks.

bullseye on August 3, 2009 at 12:12 AM

From the little I’ve seen, after searching for “non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse” at Google, it appears the non-nuclear EMP emitters have far less range. Do you have other information? I’ll just add that you could have made your comment much more helpful, had you linked a source for further information to begin with.

Kralizec on August 3, 2009 at 12:27 AM

Liberals as usual have major amnesia problems when it comes to their responsibilities and positions in Domestic and International policies.

Here is a good breakdown about how wrong they were on Iran
and how much they stood against the Bush administration in taking any kind of real action there.

Now they tell us: Iran is pursuing a bomb 
By TigerHawk at 2/13/2009 08:51:00 AM
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2009/02/now-they-tell-us-iran-is-pursuing-bomb.html

Lefty blogs rejoiced. At the Daily Kos diarists mocked Bush, Cheney, McCain, Romney, and Huckabee for having taken various hawkish positions on the subject. The Booman Tribune claimed vindication, having “spent a lot of electrons over the last year writing to you about a committed and sustained misinformation campaign to suggest that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program.” Crooks and Liars wrote that “[i]f it’s possible to make Bush look any stupider—the new NIE report on certainly Iran does.” At the HuffPo, Jon Soltz declared “World War III plans stymied by National Intelligence Estimate.” And so forth. There are literally hundreds of similar posts.

So imagine my interest to see the Los Angeles Times report that the intelligence agencies have reversed themselves again (bold emphasis added):


Remember, these are supposed to be the smartest people in the room.

They opposed Bush at every turn concerning every issue.
Bush was barely able to keep Republican support for winning the war in Iraq,there is no way he could have won any support for going after Iran unless they had attacked our mainland.

Liberals even voted down an amendment to declare the Quos forces as terrorist entities.These are the same forces that trained and provided weaponry to kill American Soldiers.

Now that the liberals are in the drivers seat,there only real change in dealing with Iran is basically capitulation and hoping that the mullahs fall under the Messiah worship that liberals in this country have fallen under concerning OBama.
This type of diplomacy is only successful in coffee shops,classrooms,and on the pages of the NY Times,not in the real world:


Obama Promises Bush III on Iran
The diplomacy he favors is exactly what Condi Rice has been pursuing for years.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123086106688148103.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

But on proliferation, what is striking are the similarities between Mr. Obama and President George W. Bush’s second term. Given Mr. Bush’s recent record, continuity between the two presidencies is hardly reassuring. And where Mr. Obama differs with Mr. Bush, he is only more accommodating to the intractable rogues running Pyongyang and Tehran. This is decidedly bad news.


And right on cue,liberals declare that we should work through the UN on these matters.
The same UN that is only successful in holding out international aid in exchange for raping the women and children of starving families abroad.
The same UN that is supposed to be able to monitor Iran’s nuclear program.
How is that working out:


A Dead Watchdog

(via bloomberg)

Posted 06/09/2009 07:16 PM ET
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/ArticlePrint.aspx?id=479111

Iran: The United Nations’ International Atomic Energy Agency is supposed to inspect nuclear facilities and warn of nonpeaceful activities. It now admits it can no longer effectively do so in Iran.

The world’s self-styled atomic watchdog — already little more than a Chihuahua — last week pretty much announced its own demise.

But have no fear!!!

Obama is going to lift up the world with the outreach of his hand and bring peace to all.

UHHHH…maybe not so much:


Iran Spurns Engagement on Nuclear Drive, Thwarting Obama Effort

“The U.S. administration is discovering now that that the attitude of Iranian leaders is harder to sway than they thought on the campaign trail,” said Ilan Berman, an Iran expert at the American Foreign Policy Council in Washington. “That’s where the frustration is coming from.”

Before that, the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, plus Germany, had offered to aid Iran’s civilian nuclear program and provide economic benefits in return for a suspension of enrichment.

The results have been meager. Even before the June 12 election, the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna said Iran had stepped up enrichment and was still blocking international monitors.

Iraq had over 16 UN resolutions that it had failed to abide by.
They still had not fulfilled their surrender agreement from the Gulf War,pretty much establishing that we were still at war.
The entire world stated that Saddam possessed WMD and his supporting and networking of major terrorist entities made this a serious problem to be addressed after 9/11.
The declaration that was approved by Congress contained over 30 reasons to take down the Saddam regime.

We had no where near this much reason to take out Iran.
Congress would have never given approval to go to war with Iran when Saddam was the one starting the wars in the region,thumbing his nose at the UN (Oil for food for another instance),and not abiding by his own surrender agreement.

As it stands now,Iran is surrounded.We have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We have the ability to support Israel in taking out their nuclear facilities.
We have the ability to negotiate behind the scenes with Saudi Arabia and Egypt who don’t want to see Iran get any stronger in the region but can’t risk a public show of supporting the west in attacking another Muslim country.
We would also have support from some western nations such as Britain and maybe even the French since they understand the threat that a nuclear Iran posses.

But none of this will matter if the leader of the strongest military in the world is hell bent on appeasement and capitulation.

Looking at the liberals track record in dealing with dictators and terrorist regimes, it does not look like Obama and his ship of fools will be successful in stopping Iran from doing anything it wants to do,much less stop them from getting the bomb.

Baxter Greene on August 3, 2009 at 12:31 AM

Bush had time to let diplomacy run its course with Iran.

Hitting Iran too soon (as many believe he did with Iraq) would have further divided the nation.

He put his trust in his successor to make the right decision.

jazz_piano on August 3, 2009 at 12:34 AM

He put his trust in his successor to make the right decision.

jazz_piano on August 3, 2009 at 12:34 AM

And Israel may suffer the consequences, I might add.

jazz_piano on August 3, 2009 at 12:36 AM

Iran Spurns Engagement on Nuclear Drive, Thwarting Obama Effort

This is (via bloomberg) not A Dead Watchdog

Baxter Greene on August 3, 2009 at 12:36 AM

To quote the terminator “judgment day is inevitable.” Iran WILL get a nuke. Iran WILL use a nuke but don’t be surprised if it’s not on Israel.

Mojave Mark on August 3, 2009 at 12:52 AM

Weight of Glory on August 2, 2009 at 7:50 PM

There will be a Star of David on the bunker buster that hits Iran because 0bama doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to actually do it.

Wolftech on August 3, 2009 at 1:05 AM

liberal343 on August 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Right… you notice who was sworn into office when they decided to blatantly ramp up their program?

That would be the 0ne on who’s buttocks your lips are firmly planted on. Seriously, Liberals need help. Do you honestly think they would be rattling sabers like this if Bush was still in office or McCain would have been elected (maybe if McCain was in office, but I was hoping for a power change after a few months after the stress of the job got to him :D)

Wolftech on August 3, 2009 at 1:11 AM

We have the ability to negotiate behind the scenes with Saudi Arabia

Saudi already said that if Israel needed to fly planes over their territory to bomb Iran, that was fine with them. They fear a nuclear armed Iran as much as Israel.

Wolftech on August 3, 2009 at 1:12 AM

Wanna lose even more sleep?? EMP can be done without a nuke. THAT stinks.
bullseye on August 3, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Non-nuclear EMP emitters have far less range.
Kralizec on August 3, 2009 at 12:27 AM

EMPRESS II EMP testing was one example of non-nuclear testing; of shipboard electronics and shielding. Omni-directional, but field strength capable of causing damage was very short ranged. Not a credible worry. Even EMP from an exo-atmosphere nuclear detonation (optimal positioning assumed) is not, IMHO, something to fret about. Really.
We should discount Iran threatening an EMP apocalypse.

NaCly dog on August 3, 2009 at 2:16 AM

We now have a government run by morons and psychopaths. What could go wrong?

HalJordan on August 3, 2009 at 2:38 AM

In the end, it seems better to keep company with the predators than with the prey. I hope the Americans will choose to be the greater predators.

Kralizec on August 3, 2009 at 3:08 AM

[Bush] had a brief window and he blew it.

guntotinglibertarian on August 2, 2009 at 11:45 PM

He had a brief window during which he could have nuked the Arab and muslim capitals, seized the oil fields, and set admission prices for Mecca. He could have parachuted onto the Kaaba and threatened to barbecue pork chops on it unless every muslim wrote a check for zakat, payable to the City of New York. Back then, he could have ordered Andrew Sullivan to s*ck his d*ck in al-Masjid al-Aqsa, and Sullivan would have considered it a small price to pay for his country. “Pay me the jizya, muslims,” I hear him say, “or I’ll jizz ya masjid.”

Kralizec on August 3, 2009 at 3:41 AM

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