Just a reminder: Cash for Clunkers requires destroying perfectly usable cars
posted at 2:35 pm on August 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
Rarely do you encounter a wealth-destroying green measure that literally destroys wealth but this is an exception and therefore a sweet, sweet metaphor for Obamanomics. I think some people are under the impression that C4C is just a trade-in program, where the dealer gets to keep the buyer’s old ride and sell it for parts or to a used-car dealer, etc. Not so. The whole point is to get fuel-inefficient vehicles off the road, which means the engines — the most valuable part — have to be destroyed. The Examiner’s Bill Dupray is horrified at the sheer inefficiency of it all:
The Cash for Clunkers program is stupid for a lot of reasons. Not only is it just another tax-payer bailout of the
unionsautomakers, who can sell more cars at artificially depressed prices so they can keep the doors open. It also screws with the free-market (big surprise there) by pulling forward demand that isn’t there now, only to kill demand over the next 1-2 years. Killing off the clunkers also hurts the used car market, the spare parts market, and the auto repair business. If there aren’t any old cars to buy or fix, those guys are all out of a job.But one of the most asinine parts of the plan is that they take old cars, many of which were being used as functional day-to-day transportation the day before, and destroy them. A perfectly good and useful machine destroyed for political reasons…
I know people will say that some of these cars were maintenance disasters to own and if the blue book is less that what someone will pay you for it, then there is no point in keeping it. But the Cash for Clunkers program requires that a working vehicle be destroyed. What about giving it to charity, or to your teenager, or to whomever deems the thing more useful than a $4,500 credit on a new car.
Via Dupray, here’s video of a Volvo in its death throes for the sake of Mother Gaia, but if you only have a few minutes to spare, skip it. Spend it instead on the Times’s must-read about the last hours of a clunker and watch the (sadly non-embeddable) video at the link. Not only is the program inefficient in the macro sense, but the feds’ underbudgeting and rickety Internet interface have made it inefficient at the micro level too by leaving dealers uncertain about whether they’ll ever be reimbursed for the rebates they’re paying out. Sample quote: “There is absolute frustration across the board.” No wonder a majority of the public is against the program.










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This program was simply a Union vote buying democratic prty program.
William Amos on August 1, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Well if the Dems/Left are so concerned about Wealth Redistribution then why not give those cars to people that could actually use them. Oh that’s right they really don’t care about people, just having control over them.
Irenaeus on August 1, 2009 at 2:41 PM
AAAAAhhh. I can’t believe they are destroying that car! For the love of all that is mechanically holy, STOP THE INSANITY!
Guardian on August 1, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Dumb masses
DougDavis on August 1, 2009 at 2:42 PM
AFTER the mid-term election.
jgapinoy on August 1, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Rep. Campbell said on Hugh Hewitt’s show yesterday that they don’t have to be crushed they just have to have the engine seperated from the chassis before they are sold as used parts. It still seem like a waste to me.
Cindy Munford on August 1, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I watched this video last night and it made me sick.
The fact it’s a Volvo should really upset the libs.
Morons!
Firmworm on August 1, 2009 at 2:43 PM
This asinine, and I do not even see how it is legal.
Taking taxpayer dollars to purchase items to be destroyed to help out a failing industry.
Nice use of my hard earned taxpayer dollars there Barry.
cntrlfrk on August 1, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Premise: All poor folks drive either:
A. The Blues Brother’s Death Mobile
B. Christine
C. Jed Clampett’s RV.
Nobody wants to see one of those parked in the driveway nextdoor.
Limerick on August 1, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Help corporations/unions, hurt small businesses.
I.e., help Dems, hurt Republicans (generally).
jgapinoy on August 1, 2009 at 2:44 PM
NO!!! They are evil gas guzzlers and warmers of our fair planet. They must be crushed into atomic dust so that they can never be used to destroy the Earth, again. Frankly, the owners of these tools of destruction are lucky that they are getting paid for them and not arrested and beheaded for their grievous crimes against humanity.
And let’s bankrupt the coal industry!
/The Precedent and his band of America-hating lunatics
progressoverpeace on August 1, 2009 at 2:44 PM
I weep for these cars
blatantblue on August 1, 2009 at 2:44 PM
This is disgusting.
myrenovations on August 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Don’t click on the link! It’s an automotive snuff film! The horror!
I’ll be having nightmares over this. :(
Guardian on August 1, 2009 at 2:47 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_in_One_Lesson
the_nile on August 1, 2009 at 2:47 PM
This is insane. It’s almost sad seeing that video. Because, you know, poor people have no problems getting car loans in this environment so let’s rape that market so many will have no car choice at all. Then they can all move to the cities and use clean mass-transit and excellent inner-city schools. The joys of social engineering.
MarkABinVA on August 1, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Obamacare is going to do the same to old people. The cars are just a test run.
progressoverpeace on August 1, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Being a car guy….this makes me very sad & angry.
The carhaters day has come.
Caropolypse.
portlandon on August 1, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I have a 04 Marquis with less than 37,000 miles on it and do not give a flit what the gas milage I get. Now if something craters on my car, where will the parts come from? Gads, I detest bho and team for what they are doing to our country! What is the saddest part, they do not care.
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letget on August 1, 2009 at 2:50 PM
An apt metaphor for what obama will do to the US economy. Destroy it to save something that doesn’t need saving.
keep the change on August 1, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Aren’t you thrilled to see your tax dollars put to a good use?
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BTW, wasn’t there a program to give old cars to people who needed them to get to work, written by the same people who wrote the law to order what was seen in the video? Talk about cognitive dissonance.
Vashta.Nerada on August 1, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Part of the program is that the car HAS to be insured and been on the road for the past year, so these are perfectly good cars. I’m sure even the Salvation Army would have a better use than destroying them for Obamanomics.
Maybe his next step will be to knock down all the houses that got foreclosed on.
tommuck on August 1, 2009 at 2:52 PM
This is the sickest thing that I have seen in a very long time. I would personally beat the crap out of those two idiots if they were within strangling range.
This needs to be circulated via email so that everyone can see what Democrats do when left unchecked.
I will drive my “clunker” forever rather than see this done to it by these slobs.
trapeze on August 1, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Prophetic:
Weight of Glory on August 1, 2009 at 2:53 PM
If we knew just how much public money was being used in one way or another to help the Democratic party, we’d probably be shocked.
kc8ukw on August 1, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Microcosm of Obamanomics. Pure capital destruction.
the_nile on August 1, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Stalin would have loved this program.
forest on August 1, 2009 at 2:55 PM
That looked like a pretty nice Volvo, too. I would have driven it around proudly. That is just insanely wasteful.
Mord on August 1, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Let’s see.
I set all the rules. Check.
I own a couple of car companies. Check.
I want people to buy my new cars. Check.
I entice people to buy my new cars with money that’s not mine. Check.
To make sure any old cars out there can’t get fixed, I destroy all old cars. Check.
I am the government … completely owned by the UAW.
BowHuntingTexas on August 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM
I’d really hate to see this one go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__q93LZ1Fzg
Jeff from WI on August 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM
I read somewhere yesterday that a woman who owns an auto recycling business (junk yard) on the East coast, that her phone was ringing off the hook with calls from dealers asking her to come pick up the ‘clunkers’. She was told that all of the engines had gone through the disabling process and were worthless. Her response, ‘No Thanks’.
She makes almost all of her profits from selling usable
engines and it’s just not worth it. Now What Morons!!
Firmworm on August 1, 2009 at 2:57 PM
I also wondered why these good cars are being destroyed? It’s absolutely horrible to chunk up the country with these destroyed autos.
Bambi on August 1, 2009 at 2:57 PM
That Volvo can’t be more than 3 years old!!! What a STUPID WASTE!!!
ExSubNuke on August 1, 2009 at 2:58 PM
I bet used car dealers are pretty angry about this.
rlwo2008 on August 1, 2009 at 2:58 PM
stupidest thing i ever heard, they are just destroying old cars that some people could use to get to jobs that are currently out of reach by bus.
on the other hand those of us that hold onto our old vehicles have gold, my 1967 f250 pickup (that runs great), will be worth a mint in a couple years when there are no used parts around any more.
trailortrash on August 1, 2009 at 2:58 PM
They’re demolishing homes in some areas, too, apparently.
FloatingRock on August 1, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Speaking of unintended consequences, what is this going to do to the re-manufactured/salvaged engine market as far as price? As supply of used engine parts/resources (I imagine the block is screwed often, even) goes down, the cost of buying that re-manned engine goes up. Maybe to the point is prohibitive to even fix an older car. My car is paid for and there is no way I want a car payment right now. So, then I’m forced to buy new car, if I can get a loan. If I can’t get a loan, then, I won’t drive. “Perfect!” says Obama and crew.
Sick and tired of these clowns. Bring on the trolls!
MarkABinVA on August 1, 2009 at 2:59 PM
This cash for clunkers is trickle down destruction.
1.Late model car parts vendors suffer
2.Auto shops who fix these cars suffer
3.Latemodel car recycling vendors suffer
4.Tire manufacturers suffer
5.Reproduction Auto parts vendors suffer
6.Used Car lots suffer
7.State Emissions fees go down
But of course Obama only looks up, he doesn’t bother looking down to the people who’s businesses are ruined from his utopian dream.
portlandon on August 1, 2009 at 3:00 PM
All good cars go to heaven. *sniff*
Guardian on August 1, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Destroying perfectly good cars so people can buy newer cars doesn’t seem very green, earth friendly or in keeping with the ‘reduce, reuse, recycle’ mantra of the greenies and hypocritical left (redundant I know). Why aren’t they protesting this wasteful use of resources?
Monica on August 1, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Phase 1: Buy used cars and destroy them
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
PackerBronco on August 1, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Let’s expand this stupidity to include boats, planes, motorcycles and lawnmowers. Then the economy will really take off as the government spends even more money it doesn’t have to encourage people to spend money they don’t have.
RadClown on August 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM
One man I heard call on a talk radio said that he was going to have his clunker towed to the dealer to get a new car and they said it had to run. Why? This is the stupidest program. We have a bunch of zero IQ’s in Washington, but having a blast with our money.
Bambi on August 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Don’t worry. They’ll end up having another federal program that will sink the destroyed clunkers to create new reefs …
I’m only half kidding. Maybe they can set the dead clunkers in cities as little homeless shelters?
progressoverpeace on August 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Yes, I saw a program several years ago about a county in Wisconsin that was fixing up clunkers with volunteer mechanics and giving them to people on welfare so they could get a job and get to work. Where there is no public transporation, the barrier to work might be the lack of a car.
Wethal on August 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Yes this makes a lot of sense .People that are feeling the recession trade in perfectly good cars that are paid for in exchange for new cars with payments with money these people don,t have.Just to keep a few union workers in there jobs for a few more months.By that time the people who bought the cars can,t pay for them because there job has gone away or there unemployment Ins. has run out.Them we need a new program to bale out more people.Yep makes perfect sense to me. God Help us.
thmcbb on August 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM
I wouldn’t have any problem with C4C if each congress critter who voted for the program was hermetically sealed in the clunker of his choice before it was destroyed.
TXUS on August 1, 2009 at 3:02 PM
This is just another gift to the UAW.
Wethal on August 1, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Too bad Obama doesn’t like the Brits too much, he might have seen this episode of Top Gear and thought of a more “stimulating” use for those old clunkers than just redlining the engine untill it catches fire.
Mord on August 1, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Funny. But sadly too close for comfort.
Tom_OC on August 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM
I think “Worthless” sums this up pretty well.
This made me sad when I was a kid. =(
portlandon on August 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Next , buy a used car manufacturer and let the unions and the government run it…
the_nile on August 1, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Oh don’t worry, they wont last long. China is so hungry for scrap steel, they’ll buy it up right quick. And since the manner in which they destroy these cars renders the parts less valuable, China will be able to get them at a reduced price. Win win.
Weight of Glory on August 1, 2009 at 3:05 PM
“Bring out your dead (cars).”
/wishing I had MaD sKilZ to paste Monty Python link here.
Tom_OC on August 1, 2009 at 3:05 PM
And , the money these people spend on their new car they didn’t really need , wont be spent on other stuff they would have bought if they kept their old clunker.
the_nile on August 1, 2009 at 3:06 PM
I wonder if there’s going to be a separate program for underinflated tires? Pay me to inflate my tires … helps fuel efficiency … everyone’s happy.
Cash for leaky tires.
progressoverpeace on August 1, 2009 at 3:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
There ya go….
Firmworm on August 1, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Which is why many so see the program as nothing more than a way to line the pockets of the unions.
Guardian on August 1, 2009 at 3:10 PM
“Bring out your dead”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
Dude.
I am so inept.
Tom_OC on August 1, 2009 at 3:11 PM
And then we will buy the steel back either as outright reprocessed raw material or as cheap finished goods. You should see the Long Beach Port in CA. Chocked full of scrap metal.
MarkABinVA on August 1, 2009 at 3:11 PM
The perfect metaphor. Your clunker today, Grandma tomorrow.
Rhinoboy on August 1, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Cash for inefficient refrigerators!!
Kill those evil iceboxes.
progressoverpeace on August 1, 2009 at 3:12 PM
it gets even better. The scrap metal can be sent to China. So much for fuel efficiency. Maybe they use solar-powered cargo ships.
mizflame98 on August 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Thanks, Fireworm.
You’re much more ept than I could ever hope to be.
You’re epter.
I’m fortunate for your eptness.
Tom_OC on August 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM
I am not certain whether I threw up 4 or 5 times watching this perfectly good car not only go to waste – but the pollution it spewed all over the place doing it was horrid. I know The Messiah is a LIAR and a Commie – but now I know he is Nuts too. This just is sick sick and double sick. What are these B’stards doing to us in Washington?
Cinday Blackburn on August 1, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Yes, they will pay is to move them out into the backyard, plugged-in with the door open to help cool the planet.
MarkABinVA on August 1, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Cash for old ships!! The fleets are killing us all!
progressoverpeace on August 1, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Hey it’s free money so it’s O.K.
/sarc
I am beginning to believe that many people think that money grows on trees.
Brat4life on August 1, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Wow….you’re a quick study!
Firmworm on August 1, 2009 at 3:15 PM
I’m so lacking in skills I almost hurt myself trying to view two windows simultaneously.
And math is hard!
Tom_OC on August 1, 2009 at 3:16 PM
OK so what’s the big deal? We all get green cars pulled by magical unicorms and save Gaia!
/snark
ChicagoBlues on August 1, 2009 at 3:17 PM
its only the working class and the middle class who buy these cars so in true lefty fashion, screw em.
rob verdi on August 1, 2009 at 3:17 PM
The question is how much we’ll get for turning Grannie in. I figure something around $12,000.
progressoverpeace on August 1, 2009 at 3:17 PM
A few months ago I read a Newsweek story that Michigan was bulldozing abandoned houses and building meadowland. The story said Obama was interested in expanding the program nationally.
Now I believe it.
Either we expand PRODUCTION and limit “Conservationism” to improving the efficiency of our expansion or we destroy our quality of life. The overwhelming majority of Americans do NOT see a three-room apartment and a bus pass as the American Dream and there’s advantage for a political party that agrees with them.
Chris_Balsz on August 1, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Soylent Green anyone?
ChicagoBlues on August 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM
It would be funny if it turned out that this process somehow turned out to be more pollution positive than the entire life of the vehicle.
- That thing smoked a lot
- There will be “oil leaks” {shudder}
- Some use Sodium-Silicat, what’s that do the air?
- On and on….
MarkABinVA on August 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM
I had a car that sounded like this one, even made the same whine. It lasted 3 years with this whine and then sold it for $50 then I got a “new” former leased Truck that ran out of millage alloted and a case of beer.
The truck is now going on 11 years old and is still like new.
tjexcite on August 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Good lord. As a gearhead that Volvo video was quite literally painful to watch. Although, apparently a Volvo will run for four minutes at wide open throttle with glass in the crankcase instead of oil. Imagine how far it would go with A.) nothing (or at least nothing harmful) in it at all or B.) with some less than optimal lubricant such as butter or even just plain water.
That’s useful information to have for when the economy totally collapses due to Obama and the Dumbocrats economic policies and society goes all Road Warrior, with every man for himself. If, in the dystopian future that seems to be getting closer every day, you’re running through a used car lot or scrap yard trying to find a vehicle that can get you 20 miles down the road to a fortified settlement before the marauding hordes of S&M fetishists on motorcycles overtake you, you might want to go with a Volvo.
Dukeboy01 on August 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Geez, does the party of ‘no’ have anything contructive to add?? Anything other than Mission Accomplished? There’s a reason you guys lose badly.
simplesimon on August 1, 2009 at 3:20 PM
I can safely say no one has ever accused me of that before.
What I aspire to someday is to have to ability to weave the link seamlessly into my comments, so that the link appears just as some of the key words:
I’m talking Mad sKilZ.
Mizflame98-type sKilZ.
But for now I’m stuck on stoopid. Bad sKilZ.
Tom_OC on August 1, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Cash for simplesimon!!
Sorry, simpleton, but your destruction has been deemed necessary to save the planet.
progressoverpeace on August 1, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Well the good news is that destroying engines in this manner belches a fountain of carbon into atmosphere…
Oh wait…
eyesky on August 1, 2009 at 3:22 PM
So let me get this straight…
We send in perfectly servicable cars,
They trash the engine,
Send the scrap metal to China to build new Buicks
and this is good for me?
/rolling eyes
ChicagoBlues on August 1, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Made me physically ill when I read it YESTERDAY. As the parent of well worn, much loved, 400,000+ mile, 16-20 mpg 1987 Pathfinder who’s the silver and gray embodiment of the Energizer Bunny, “shrieking with rage” wasn’t far behind and no WAY could I watch one die.
As a passenger who’s taken AMTRAK’s Southwest Chief from LA to Chicago and seen the multitude of car junkyards ~ piled to the sky and as far as the horizon in some spots ~ hidden from public view by the santitizing effect of interstates? I’m left wondering what’s to become of these debilitated hulks when they’re hauled off by the tens thousands and left to rust in some forgotten corner of a formerly pristine rural area, because the sheer numbers have overwhelmed the system and crashed whatever market there was in spare parts and salvage…and what that means for Michelle’s children when all that starts to seep into the ground.
These incompetent assholes make me nauseous damn near every day anymore. This blow to my equilibrium is particularly egregious.
tree hugging sister on August 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Great post! I almost spit my beer out. Very true though. At first I just thought they were redlining it, then I saw the bottle on the ground. Did you see all the other cars sitting there? The first few had their hoods up to. Didn’t look like bad vehicles but probably in the “range of death”.
MarkABinVA on August 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM
“We’ve saved the economy. The stimulus has worked. – Rahm Emanuel
UNEMPLOYMENT 10% AND RISING.
fogw on August 1, 2009 at 3:27 PM
like our senior citizens? Right? Hey Barry, you listening?
ChicagoBlues on August 1, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Where is best part of economy in US right now ? Try Red States in the Middle of the Country
William Amos on August 1, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Ad for 2010/12.
the_nile on August 1, 2009 at 3:27 PM
and crushed into a cube and sent to China no less…
Ozprey on August 1, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Cash for Cripples. Bring in granny and gramps and walk away with nine thousand governmnt backed IOUs to put down on that loaf of bread if you get there before the line forms at the supermarket.
a capella on August 1, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Our trolls are not very high quality lately. Just more talking points, never address the problems we see and that are actually happening. But hey, bring on Government healthcare!1!!1 Weak, weak try simpleton.
MarkABinVA on August 1, 2009 at 3:30 PM
So, we get these new cars sold,
to people who may not be able to afford them,
with unbelievable loan rates,
because it’s my free money,
the credit market gets in trouble when car loans default,
and this is good for me because???
/continues to roll eyes
ChicagoBlues on August 1, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Monica on August 1, 2009 at 3:00 PM
There’s a LOT of energy (and sometimes pollution) invested in the manufacturing of a vehicle. Keep the vehicle a long time, and those get kind of “amortized” over the life of the car.
I haven’t been able to find the link, but I saw some pretty solid analysis of maintaining a used car vs. building a new one: a decent running used car is better for the environment than building a brand new one.
People are giving up decent cars to get new ones that get slightly better mileage. The new ones will be worn-out, leaky smokers WAY before they pay for themselves in fuel savings and “energy equity”
innominatus on August 1, 2009 at 3:31 PM
BowHuntingTexas on August 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM
“Why be you when you can be new?” (Robots)–even in the world of animated movies this kind of ageism is labeled as evil.
johnny alpha on August 1, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Guzzlers Huh.
Give-em a dose of the red fluid and loop-em out.
Expect then same results from Obamacare.
Texyank on August 1, 2009 at 3:32 PM
That Volvo looked to be better condition than my ’95 Saturn!!!
This policy is insane!! All “would be” new car buyers for the next 12 months will buy them now — used cars will become less available hence more expensive — look for the dealers to have a bad spring in ’10!!
Transfer this policy to health care and . . . watch out you old timers!!!
rebuzz on August 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Sodium Silicate is some grizzly stuff. You definitely need protective equipment for this stuff.
mizflame98 on August 1, 2009 at 3:38 PM
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