Poll: 28% of Republicans don’t believe Obama was born in America? Update: Skeptics mostly southern
posted at 12:05 pm on July 31, 2009 by Allahpundit
On the one hand, the poll was sponsored by … Daily Kos. On the other hand, Research 2000 is a reputable pollster as far as I know and the way they posed the question wasn’t slanted.
The survey of American adults asked, “Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?” It found that 77% of Americans answer affirmatively, 11% say “no,” with the balance unsure.
Notably, that 11% closely tracks the — extremely stable — share of the electorate that thought Obama was a Muslim, bolstering the notion that there’s a certain share of the party’s base (and this may well hold for both parties) that isn’t about to let facts get in the way of negative views of a president of the opposite party…
With nearly a third of Republicans believing the theory, you can see why Republican politicians are inclined to treat it with some respect.
Party-line breakdowns: Dems 93/4/3 (the last figure is “don’t know”), Indies 83/8/9, and GOP … 42/28/30. Fully 58 percent of Republicans aren’t willing to accept a state-issued Certification of Live Birth as proof that The One was born in Honolulu? I’m skeptical, but, er, not so skeptical that I’m willing to poll this myself at HA. Sounds like a job for Scott Rasmussen. How about it, Scottster?
Update: Voinovich 1, Vitter 0.
Only 47 percent of Southern respondents believe Obama was born in the USA. By contrast, 93 percent of Northeasterns said yes, he was born here, 90 percent of Midwesterners did and 87 percent of Westerners.
Wow.
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Does he look like Frank Marshall Davis?
That’s a hoot………….
ORconservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:14 PM
People need to get off of this birth certificate thing. It will backfire and get nowhere. What needs to be looked into is the time spent in Paaakistan and Indonesia. We know he was there, what was he doing and what passport was he using.
oceansidecon on July 31, 2009 at 5:14 PM
The Constitution gives Congress exclusive rights to depose (impeach) a President. The Supreme Court isn’t granted that authority. Even if they did have the ability, no rational, informed person could believe that the court would.
Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Looks a lot like a young Malcolm X as well… not accusin, just sayin…
Romeo13 on July 31, 2009 at 5:16 PM
You’ll get over it. Psst: you have to spell it out for yourself.
Please. You can find posts of mine where I get ticked and lose my patience. Big friggin’ deal. Blake’s characterization of much of the Suppressors is accurate. Live with it. But that is a characterization of what you folks are doing, not part of the debate over the issue – just as my characterization that Suppressors are emotionally driven. That is true, though it is not part of the debate over what the definition of “natural born citizen” is.
Please. We have debated the details of the issue over and over and over, with cites to the Constitution, Founders’ writings, law cases, … that is not demagoguery.
Oy. “Threatening violence”? You’re getting to be like those school officials who throw a 6 year old out for drawing a gun. ZERO TOLERANCE!! Please. And the pedophile comparison was a response to a conspiracy theorist label. Oh, the humanity!
progressoverpeace on July 31, 2009 at 5:16 PM
You know what else came out of the Soviet Union? Pravda.
You should read it some time- it’s right up your alley, chock full of conspiracy theories, UFO sightings, etc.
Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Honesty and adherence to the constitution are my choice. The public deserves to know who they are voting for. Berry won’t be forced to step down, however if that were to occur I have shuddered at the thought of Biden as POTUS. On further consideration I would enjoy Biden. At least I could criticize him without being called a racist.
Cody1991 on July 31, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Prooove Birthers are helping Obama and hurting Repubs.
*crickets*
Christien on July 31, 2009 at 5:17 PM
EarthtoZoey at 4:22
Trouble with that theory is that it’s backfiring on him, big-time. When Lou Dobbs, Helen Thomas (!), and HuffPo writer (don’t have the link right now) all start asking what’s the big deal about backing up his claims with some hard data, he should know he’s in trouble.
If it’s just a political calculation, how do you suppose he’ll respond when Major Cook’s suit becomes a class-action suit and Obama would have to revoke orders for a hundred (hypothetical number since I don’t know how many are signed on now) officers in order to dodge the questions?
I don’t know about you, but when politicians start shafting the military folks that’s when I see red. If he shafts our military officers for the sake of “political calculation” he’s gonna regret it, big-time.
justincase on July 31, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Good point. While I am no “Birther”; I don’t see how this is helping Obama in any way. This birth-certificate controversy has been highly profiled in the media in the past few weeks; but has it had any impact in approval tracking polls for Obama? I think not. Besides, it seems that more people are starting to believe this, despite the ridicule of the MSM and others.
Not to compare; but did the conspiracy theories about Bush help or hurt him? I actually think it was the latter, if electoral results are to be trusted.
Norwegian on July 31, 2009 at 5:20 PM
I think the Clinton’s have so many bodies – literally – in their closets, they were deer in headlights on this issue. The Clinton campaign was the first to raise the issue but it was immediately deflected to McCain by the media.
gopmom on July 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Even worse? I’m not a Republican… LOL
I’m an independent Libertarian… so by defintion of the Repubs and Dems, already a Nut Job!
Come my fellow Libertarians… Embrace the Dark Side… we have Cookies… and Tea Partys… and CONSPIRACYS!
Romeo13 on July 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Good thing you’re not getting emotional over this, or anything.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM
This is a big loser for Obama only but he, like Bill Clinton, believes his deceptions and dismisses the possibility of them catching up. He is invincible, or so he thinks.
ORconservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:22 PM
O/T: from Glenn Beck right now:
Jonah Goldberg & former prosecutor, FNC’s Kimberly Guilfoyle just discussed and CONFIRMED something EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW- the Gov’t's “Cash for Clunkers” website- if you click on it and accept their terms of service – you are giving the GOV’T COMPLETE ACCESS TO YOUR COMPUTER & PHONE CALLS now & in the future… You can’t make this stuff up.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 31, 2009 at 5:23 PM
TRUE, but FMD has been touted as Obamas’ mentor while in HI.
FMD memoirs mention he and his actual missus liked to “menage-a-trois” with underage white girls.
Jes’ sayin.
Firefly56 on July 31, 2009 at 5:23 PM
I’m a Republican and a Tea Partier, too.
gopmom on July 31, 2009 at 5:24 PM
When one considers the animosity of the Dems after the 2000 election it seems entirely possible and plausible that they could ‘overlook’ many things in order to win in 2008.
Winning was the most important thing, and they had the right guy at the right moment. Think about Hillary. Dumped like an ugly wallflower right before the prom. Hill was supposed to be the one. The smartest woman in the world. A Democrat. A woman of the party who supported women. But they tossed her like a hot potato.
Never underestimate the Dems.
Cody1991 on July 31, 2009 at 5:24 PM
You cannot impeach someone who is not President. If The Precedent is ineligible, then he is not the President, period. You chould know this just from the technicality that they administered the aoth of office to the traitor twice, because of a minor slip-up in the original oath. They were worried that, because of that minor technicality, the oath was void and the idiot messiah wasn’t The Precedent. Well, if he’s ineligible to be President, then he isn’t. It would be the same situation, now, as if the sitting President had died. End of story.
Of course, this is uncharted territory, but it isn’t too tough to figure this out. If you disagree, then tell me why he had to be administered the oath twice.
progressoverpeace on July 31, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Huh?!?
pseudonominus on July 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM
poptech, without the cut & paste skills
Janos Hunyadi on July 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM
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Don’t leave out Curious George. Especially around the ears.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 31, 2009 at 5:29 PM
LOL…cookies and tea or cockiness and teasing. Hard choice.
Christien on July 31, 2009 at 5:30 PM
When I go that deep, to that dark place, I drink! And the GD Dems in charge here in Taxachusetts just upped the tax on alcohol.
Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. If he’s ineligible, he’s not the President. I would go further – the whole thing is a do-over.
But with that said, I’m, 95% there he was born in Hawaii – just that there is something on the vault form he doesn’t want us to see. That is where impeachment comes in – if the public figures out what a fraud he is they might push even a Dem Congress to act.
Has anyone pointed out that a few states have already passed bills requiring long for BC in order to get on their state’s ballot? He cannot run in 2012 in every state if he doesn’t show us the money. Press your State Reps to push for the same.
gopmom on July 31, 2009 at 5:30 PM
I’m “getting emotional” in that post? Because I used caps for “zero tolerance” in comparing your bleating about “threats of violence” to the silly ninnies int he public schools who treat advil like heroin? Come on, Mad. I mean, really.
progressoverpeace on July 31, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Well, I’m actualy more of a borboun and Steak guy… but… this is a family show… LOL
Romeo13 on July 31, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Yet another example of why it’s pointless to try and engage conspiracy theorists (Birthers included) in rational debate.
First it was the canard that the COLB wasn’t even good enough for obtaining a Hawaiian driver’s license or US passport. That turned out to be false on both counts.
Then it was the contention that he would’ve needed a foreign passport to travel to Pakistan because the US barred travel to the country. That turned out to be false as well.
Now we have Birthers claiming that the current head of the Chinese government has a Hawaiian COLB, when in reality the Chinese man in question obtained it in 1870, almost 90 years before Hawaii even became a US state.
Once again- don’t bother trying rational debate with the irrational. Join me in the mockery. You know you want to…
Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 5:33 PM
.
On Glenn Beck’s show on Fox News Channel (airs 5-6pm Eastern) I’m looking for a link. I’m sure a clip will be available on YouTube shortly, but it just aired. My husband & I just sat here, like you, saying, “Huh?”
NightmareOnKStreet on July 31, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Romeo13 on July 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Wow. Thanks.
One of my friends is a military officer and his only word of comfort for me on Obama becoming president was that the military would never tell him what they know he shouldn’t know. He actually suggested that Colin Powell is in the administration in order to keep an eye on things.
I don’t know, but it’s sad when the lowliest grunt cleaning out toilets is more trustworthy – and has been more vetted – than the man with the nuclear football.
Pure democracy is a dangerous, dangerous thing that can so easily be lost because a majority can so easily be deceived.
justincase on July 31, 2009 at 5:35 PM
I see. You’re a more laid-back internet tough guy, but you aren’t getting emotional or anything. The other side is getting emotional, but those on your side comparing your opponents to kid touchers and stating that they’d assault commenters if they met them in person are completely rational.
Got it.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:35 PM
I think he was born here. But hey, if cheap memes can be used against Republicans (and against Palin in particular), turnabout is fair play.
ddrintn on July 31, 2009 at 5:36 PM
As explained before… to get either a drivers license or a Passport, IF you have ever legaly used another name, you have to produce Name Change documents along WITH your COLB..
It says so right in their instructions.
Obama DID go by Barry Soetoro for a number of years… thus he SHOULD show those docs along with his COLB to get those forms of ID.
If he did not, he is guilty of FRAUD, “IF” he ever had another legal name.
Jury is still out, because we do not have a paper trail, but Indonesian school records and the divorce Papers which seem to acknowledge Barry as being adopted… show that he SHOULD have produced other docs as well.
Romeo13 on July 31, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Easy- once each for both. See, the man we know as Barack Obama is actually TWO people, secret identical twins! If only he released his ORIGINAL birth certificate, the TRUTH about this conspiracy would be exposed!!!
It all makes sense. No one can be on TV so often and still perform the duties of President. The man on TV is his TWIN BROTHER. The Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew that TWO men were BOTH sworn in as President at THE SAME TIME.
Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Tommylotto on July 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM
That’s the vulnerability of our system. We had two Congressional studies that concluded that Chinese front companies needed to be investigated (the Cox Report) and that the Clinton’s sellout to the Chinese needed to be investigated (the Thompson Report).
Janet Reno said no to both and that was the end of it.
justincase on July 31, 2009 at 5:38 PM
So, anything new with this?
exception on July 31, 2009 at 5:39 PM
I think Obama was born in the United States. I ca not know that for sure of course, but that is what I think. I don’t think that producing a long form of a birth certificate would change anything. In fact I think Obama is sort of using the whole thing to his own advantage. He likes messing with people.
I just think that Obama has been so dishonest about so many things that a lot of people just do not trust anything he says, including the fact that he is native born.
Terrye on July 31, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Point made.
But – maybe if we had some transparency, there wouldn’t be so many wacky side theories out there. If you look for the facts, and the obvious facts that are missing, any intellectually curious person will wonder. I haven’t read the whole thread but please, what’s the harm in still pushing for him to produce? This is putting more and more pressure on him to answer questions. Of course he doesn’t answer them which damages his credibility and support. Remember, not only Dems voted for him. There is a huge voter population out there to capture – the ones that swing elections back and forth – the ones that were duped by “The Won”.
The BC is part of the larger argument many of us have been making for 18 months+.
“Who the hell is this guy and where did he come from?”
gopmom on July 31, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Everyone sick and tired of MadisonCon and Hollowpoint(s) please say AYE.
Everyone wanting them to leave, please say BYE.
Califemme on July 31, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Yeah… pretty scary… I found out about the Politician thing when I worked in a VERY secure place while in the Navy…
Only about 20 people in the world had access… yet they brougt 4 Congresscritters in for a tour… because ONE pointed and asked what was behind the door to where we worked…
Romeo13 on July 31, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Obama’s already lost 4% of Dems on the issue. It’s not Allah’s headline, but that’s what I thought was the most interesting part of the poll.
Ronnie on July 31, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Funny but not relevant.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2009 at 5:41 PM
BierManVA on July 31, 2009 at 5:04 PM
A FOIA request on passport and travel records for Ann Dunham/Obama/Soetoro/Sutoro was after much hassle directed to Homeland Security, who ended up saying they had no records earlier than the 1980′s, and even the 3 travel records that they provided from the 80′s had only the beginning or ending destination as Hawaii. Everything else was blacked out.
justincase on July 31, 2009 at 5:42 PM
…but I thought WE were the suppressors!
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:42 PM
I love you but do you think that “example” was fair?
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2009 at 5:43 PM
It would be interesting to know what percent of the 62% have read this:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697
Those of you who are convinced Obama was born in America – despite his refusal to provide his real birth certificate- should read this highly informative article. It provides a lot of information that you don’t get from the superficials AP and Ed.
After reading this article I suspect that Obama’s real certificate isn’t signed by a doctor or midwife.
He’s not releasing it because it will raise more questions than it answers.
Basilsbest on July 31, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Thank you for illustrating my point perfectly. I ask you a serious, and simple, question and you refuse to answer it because you know that it makes your whole view of the situation crumble. Maybe you’ll get some guts and actually answer the question seriously. I won’t hold my breath, but that’s okay. Everyone can see what you are avoiding in your response, here.
progressoverpeace on July 31, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Someone needs to offer Obama a million dollars to be deposited to “Feed the Children” Charity in exchange for release of his long form BC and school records. Put the putz on the spot.
Conservalicious on July 31, 2009 at 5:45 PM
AYE on hollowpoint.
Ronnie on July 31, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Considering the response was “Oh, come on! He didn’t mean it!”, I’d say yes.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Brilliant!
gopmom on July 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Ummmm, how’sabout we awl set down fer a lively reditchin’ of Duelin’ Ban-joes, y’all?
ExpressoBold on July 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM
OK then,so, the Democrat President gets to remain President because the Democrat bureaucrats working for Democrat politicians in a Democrat-controlled state say that he was born in their state and further that there is no cause for skepticism. Got it.
Knott Buyinit on July 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM
omnipotent on July 31, 2009 at 5:04 PM
There’s a lot of information that shows Obama’s story is not on the up-and-up. Contradictions, forgeries, etc.
But Obama is like the last person on the girls’ team in dodgeball who’s hiding in the girls’ bathroom. Everybody from the boys’ team knows she’s hiding something but everybody who’s conscientious enough to follow the law knows they can’t go in the girls’ bathroom ’cause they’re not a girl.
That’s exactly where we’re at.
justincase on July 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM
That’s genius, actually.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Funny? You made that comment about me last night on a Sarah thread, and I have no idea what it means. I had agreed with a guy who thought two other guys were making idiotic arguments against Sarah, and you popped up with that poptech comment. I made no reference to you or anything you said, and don’t know who you are or what you were talking about.
Janos Hunyadi on July 31, 2009 at 5:48 PM
It’s a good idea, but it would probably have to be a donation to ACORN or the Black Panthers
Ronnie on July 31, 2009 at 5:48 PM
So is the complaint that they didn’t disavow his statement? I think you and I know that doesn’t work.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2009 at 5:48 PM
“bleating” and “silly ninnies” is getting emotional? Are you serious? Sheesh.
Uh oh, I said “sheesh”. Exasperation … I’m being so emotional ….
LOL.
progressoverpeace on July 31, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Refusing to disavow is one thing. Defending is another.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Your information is false, Hollowpoint. As I pointed out elsewhere, the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth for Sun Yat Sen was issued on March 14th, 1904. That certificate, based on false affidavit testimony, claimed that Sun Yat Sen was born in 1870 on the Hawaiian island of Oahu.
The affidavit testimony formed the basis for the creation of a Hawaii vital birth record which contained data that does not align with reality. That’s not where Sun Yat Sen was actually born. It’s an official record that’s false.
Hollowpoint, if the situation were transposed forward in time to, say, a 1961 birth, would you consider a certificate/certification printed out based on that vital record to be “good enough” to call Sun Yat Sen a “natural born citizen”, allowing him to later run for President of the United States… or do you think there would be a good reason to see all of the underlying documentation?
VekTor on July 31, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Basically if you go to the cars.gov site and you start the process…you get an alert message that tells you that your computer and everything on it now is government property…and that anything you have on it is subject to dissemination to law enforcement agencies and other groups both domestic and foreign…if you’re on skype, your calls can be tapped…and according to Guilfoyle, it is all legal.
You cannot make this stuff up.
PS… DO NOT GO TO THAT SITE.
powerpro on July 31, 2009 at 5:51 PM
My husband just told me there is a $20 million bounty on his BC. And I know WND has one, too.
gopmom on July 31, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I don’t get you. I’ve been on HA for about 5 yrs, and I always used to think you were pretty dead on with many salient points on multiple issues, everything from Bush to the economy. Somehow, in the last two years or so, you’ve taken a hard turn. If we look through the comment sections on just the last week’s threads, we can see you bully, demean, denigrate and outright ridicule others here, who I know you know are actually very conservative minded.
What happened to you? Did your dog die or something? There’s a mean streak that didn’t used to be there, and I seriously am wondering what has gotten into you.
You seem to explicitly come to these threads and harass those of us with questions, and I don’t care if you do live in Madison, that’s not how conservatives treat each other.
Califemme on July 31, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Sorry, maybe I was being unfair. On every thread about Gov. Palin and I do mean every one of them. He used to come in and link all of these cut a paste statistics about her, the economy in Alaska, oil companies, it was funny but not helpful. Most Gov. Palin threads are usually people for or against and both sides wanting the other to shut up. Much like this one. Also there are those against her that “specialize” on those threads. I probably mistook you for one of those.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM
This is why they had to discontinue use of the COLB.
dogsoldier on July 31, 2009 at 5:55 PM
A DailyKos poll….really?
Wake me when other, reputable outfits do a similiar poll, please, thanks.
bridgetown on July 31, 2009 at 5:55 PM
It’s on the level with you dismissing all non-birthers as relying on emotion alone when they make their arguments that you’re hurting more than you’re helping conservatives, and responding to posting of the COLB with “fraudulent, faked, phony” based not on logic, but on your sore hatred for a horrible president. The last part, we share. However, you chose to direct that hatred towards people who don’t get on the BC bandwagon. We’d rather direct that towards Crap and BeTrayed, ObamaDoesntCare, etc. However, every time CNN or FOX or anyone else spends time dismissing you as kooks, they’re not covering the sweating Democrats who aren’t getting the support they need for those liberty-melting abortions.
So what do you do? Talk about being suppressed while everyone continues to talk about the crap more, due to people like you making so much noise about it in comments sections of websites. Well, when you’re not on video denouncing Obama as not a citizen without actually knowing that.
Are you serious? Sheesh.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Members of the jury, loyal Hotair subjects and the honorable Mr. Allahpundit, the prisoner at the bar, one Progressoverpeace, stands accused of trying to use the outdated U.S. Constitution, logic and reason in an unholy combination to confuse the members of the jury and to goad Barack Obama, our Dear Leader with the Certification of Live Immaculate Conception from no less than two locations, into a game of COLB, thereby and with malice of forethought, molesting, tormenting, and otherwise greatly annoying our beloved Dear Leader and all his loyal subjects. Now, Progressoverpeace, Her majesty, The Queen, has instructed me to again give you fair warning, either you or your head must be off, and that in about half no time! Take your choice!
Cheshire Cat on July 31, 2009 at 5:56 PM
From Factcheck.org (which all The One’s sycophants love to quote)
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Technically, Obama DOESN’T NEED his Birth Certificate– UNLESS HE WAS NOT BORN IN THE U.S… I don’t need to see it- he’s already told us everything we need to know to send him back to Chicago or wherever he’s from…
NightmareOnKStreet on July 31, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Conservalicious on July 31, 2009 at 5:45 PM
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM
My husband just told me there is a $20 million bounty on his BC. And I know WND has one, too.
gopmom on July 31, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I think that offering Obama the money in a very public way works better. Make it a cool million going to some popular Black cause, let his own community get excited about it.
Conservalicious on July 31, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I brought extra blue pills today…. LOL!
Califemme on July 31, 2009 at 5:57 PM
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55562
omgzzz
therightwinger on July 31, 2009 at 5:58 PM
So for two years, you never said a thing, until I came along and dismissed birthers as chasing shadows, along with Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Jim DeMint, and other well known socialists.
Kay.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Barack Obama, Where’s the Beef?”
Luka on July 31, 2009 at 6:00 PM
While I appreciate your continued opposition to what Obama is doing to our country, I must point out that we, as conservatives, have absolutely no power whatsoever to determine what the MSM puts on their airwaves. If we did, this entire discussion would be moot. I think the coverage is helping us, even if only the kooks get on TV. It opens up discussions elsewhere – I have had many people ask me what’s up and when you have a chance to have a rational and factual discussion about all the discrepancies, you open people’s eyes.
Again, it is possible to fight a war on more than one front
gopmom on July 31, 2009 at 6:00 PM
exception on July 31, 2009 at 5:39 PM
For the most recent news you probably should look here:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697
In a nutshell:
1) It is both possible & probable that Obama’s long-form birth certificate is documented by just his mom or grandma.
2) Hawaii has changed things around in the week after June 10 so that their “certificate of live birth” has no more on it than their COLB’s, they won’t print out certified copies of original birth certificates, and they don’t require much of anything for proof of Hawaiian birth even for Homelands Dept.
What happened on June 10th? Well… the judge in Kerchner v Obama told the defendants to get good lawyers because they were gonna need ‘em.
I think Obama is sweating bullets and Fukino and all the Hawaii records people are on the receiving end of those bullets.
But look at it yourself and see what you think.
justincase on July 31, 2009 at 6:01 PM
No, I called you and others who push ridiculous conspiracy theories in order to legitimize a sitting president in a time of war for purely partisan reasons “scum”. I also think you’re all extraordinarily stupid people, for what its worth.
DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 6:01 PM
*delegitimize
DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 6:02 PM
And yet, noone from their own party seems to harass, ridicule, demean or denigrate them publically… Seems that’s not good enough for some conservatives.
And guess, what? Truthers are allowed to ask the questions. This IS still America, right?
Califemme on July 31, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Pretty soon we will just have long threads saying “shut up”
No, you shut up.
You’re embarrassing the whole party.
It’ not my fault you hate the constitution.
Shut up.
No, you shut up.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Ain’t gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do, or say
Will be in the Obama pill you took today
Ain’t gonna need your teeth, won’t need your eyes
You won’t find an Obamacare doctor who knows a thing to do
Nobody’s even gonna look at you
Cheshire Cat on July 31, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Dude, its not like you were flaming me, and why the hell would I want to jump in and open MY big mouth without knowing all the facts?
Califemme on July 31, 2009 at 6:03 PM
his daddy ain’t his daddy… leave him alone!
gatorboy on July 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Romeo13 on July 31, 2009 at 5:40 PM
As a kid I thought everything was so secure. America would never fall. People would never allow her to fall.
Either things have gotten a lot worse or I was blissfully ignorant right up to a few years ago.
If nothing else comes of all this, at least I hope the average Joe Blow citizen realizes that ignorance can – and will – kill us if we let it. We are the ring bearer, in some ways. If we fail, Middle Earth will be lost.
justincase on July 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Factcheck.org was created by the same Annenberg Foundation that Obama and Gates worked at together. I know we’re on the same side here – just sharing.
gopmom on July 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM
I think we should hold our own to a higher standard. Let the idiots hang out with the other party, then. They already act just like them, anyway.
DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 6:06 PM
justincase:
For one thing, so what if his long term birth certificate was documented by only his mother and grandmother. My mother was delivered by my great grandmother…there was no one else around when she was born..but she was most definitely born in the US.
The point is that there is nothing on the long form that will contradict the short form..and the state of Hawaii has vouched for the document. That is enough. I don’t like Obama, but I think this whole debate is bizarre.
Terrye on July 31, 2009 at 6:06 PM
I’m not a birther, but I dunno about that “scum” thing. Define “purely partisan”. The Democrats would say passionately that that’s all opposition to ObamaCare is.
ddrintn on July 31, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Cindy Munford is the most respected, refined, gentlelady on Hot Air. I do know that in very rare instances, Cindy has been mistaken or a bit brash, but she is a fair lady and you can talk with her about any misunderstanding you two had.
Loxodonta on July 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM
A gaggle of blind mice, a gaggle of blind mice
See how they scurry around, see how they scurry around
They all ran away from the Constitution that protects their way of life
Progressoverpeace and his crew cut off their tales with a carving knife
Did you ever see such a thing in your life
As a gaggle of blind mice?
Cheshire Cat on July 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM
That was a very legitimate question… 10 months ago. Despite knowing so little about his past, and his unwillingness to provide more details, voters still elected him and he was duly sworn in.
As President, he’s under no obligation to provide every personal detail of his life merely because his political opponents (of which I am proud to be) demand them.
To some degree, I agree that he shares some responsibility for the creation of silly conspiracy theories. Someone who’s less than open and honest about their life is going to have people question if he’s hiding something. That question could have (and was) asked before the election, with voters able to react accordingly. Unfortunately, they reacted by electing him.
That said, there’s an enormous gap between “not completely open and honest about his past” and “There’s a conspiracy to hide the proof of our theory that his pregnant mother secretly flew to Kenya in 1961, gave birth, immediately flew back, and faked his birth in Hawaii“
Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Exactly! My bf was a non-birther, and I’ve been filling his ears with this crap ever since I WATCHED Obama’s grandma say she was there when he was born, and that his half brother and half sister were present. That was almost two years ago.
He actually commended me the other day, saying that he was glad and impressed that I know as much as I do about this bc controversy.
THAT was quite the turnaround! He still tells me to stop talking about if I say more than two sentences, tho, so that’s why I come here to talk t others who want the same questions answered that I do. This issue is VERY personal to me.
Califemme on July 31, 2009 at 6:08 PM
If you don’t stop that, I’ll whine.
Loxodonta on July 31, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Stanley Ann Dunham “I don’t know nuthin bout birthin no babies Grandma Sarah” Where would Southerners get an idea like Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.? The wind done gone….
Dr Evil on July 31, 2009 at 6:10 PM
I don’t know about any birth certificate. What I want to know is when this guy does any work. He’s in front of the teleprompter on my TV 24/7. Bush wasn’t on TV everyday, he was busy reorganizing our National Defense. You know, with meetings, phone calls, like President stuff. Obama isn’t working. Maybe that’s a good thing………
adamsmith on July 31, 2009 at 6:10 PM
You’re right about Sarah threads, which is why I stay off them. I only jumped in last night to f_ck with Bradky ( who likes that sort of thing, if you catch my drift )
Janos Hunyadi on July 31, 2009 at 6:10 PM
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I am so glad you saw it. I couldn’t find any links yet and I wanted to warn people, but so many here don’t believe anything that someone who’s trying to protect the Constitution has to say. Well, there goes another chunk of our Constitution. This is awful. This is NOT AMERICA.
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To all the idiots who are protecting & defending Comrade Obama’s eligibility- welcome to Amerika.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 31, 2009 at 6:12 PM
FAIL??? Never!!! (Not safe for work)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct7cxK8T28U
Romeo13 on July 31, 2009 at 6:12 PM
She’s got style
She’s got grace
She’s a winner
She’s a Lady
Whoa whoa whoa
She’s a Lady
PercyB on July 31, 2009 at 6:13 PM
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