Poll: 28% of Republicans don’t believe Obama was born in America? Update: Skeptics mostly southern

posted at 12:05 pm on July 31, 2009 by Allahpundit

On the one hand, the poll was sponsored by … Daily Kos. On the other hand, Research 2000 is a reputable pollster as far as I know and the way they posed the question wasn’t slanted.

The survey of American adults asked, “Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?” It found that 77% of Americans answer affirmatively, 11% say “no,” with the balance unsure.

Notably, that 11% closely tracks the — extremely stable — share of the electorate that thought Obama was a Muslim, bolstering the notion that there’s a certain share of the party’s base (and this may well hold for both parties) that isn’t about to let facts get in the way of negative views of a president of the opposite party…

With nearly a third of Republicans believing the theory, you can see why Republican politicians are inclined to treat it with some respect.

Party-line breakdowns: Dems 93/4/3 (the last figure is “don’t know”), Indies 83/8/9, and GOP … 42/28/30. Fully 58 percent of Republicans aren’t willing to accept a state-issued Certification of Live Birth as proof that The One was born in Honolulu? I’m skeptical, but, er, not so skeptical that I’m willing to poll this myself at HA. Sounds like a job for Scott Rasmussen. How about it, Scottster?

Update: Voinovich 1, Vitter 0.

Only 47 percent of Southern respondents believe Obama was born in the USA. By contrast, 93 percent of Northeasterns said yes, he was born here, 90 percent of Midwesterners did and 87 percent of Westerners.

Wow.


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And for those of you who think World Net Daily is some NUTTER website, There is this from Wiki:

They are one of the longest online NEWS websites (yes, its true) with a reporter in the white house press.

Suck on that.

Califemme on July 31, 2009 at 8:58 PM

This would be the same publication that ran a piece today promoting a video about how someone found evidence that Jesus named Obama as the antichrist?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105527

WND is the definition of a nutter publication.

jonknee on July 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Only 47 percent of Southern respondents believe Obama was born in the USA. By contrast, 93 percent of Northeasterns said yes, he was born here, 90 percent of Midwesterners did and 87 percent of Westerners.

Wow.

Hmmm. Could it be because in the South the Constitution still means something to us?

johnsteele on July 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM

jonknee on July 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM

By the way, thanks for correcting me the other day on Henry Gates’ education. I later corrected someone else who also thought he had only a Bachelor’s.

jazz_piano on July 31, 2009 at 10:01 PM

So I think BO was born in the US… but think pressure needs to be kept on him to release his Birth Certificate because either (1) he has something he is hiding, or (2) the most transparent administration ever who is tired of “politics as usual” is withholding documents to gin up a “conspiracy” for distractions and political gain.

What do I call myself?

well I guess the reason could be (3) he is an arrogant SOB who can’t believe the plebs would dare demand a BC from him so he will never simply produce the document.

Ampersand on July 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

1) What do you believe his “original” birth certificate contains that’s worth hiding if you believe that he was born in the US?

The only extra information compared to the COLB already released is the name and signature of the doctor (almost certainly deceased or long retired by now), the hospital, the signature of one of the parents, and the occupation of the parents. None of that strikes me as particularly interesting or potentially scandalous.

2 & 3) If refusing to obtain and release his “original” birth certificate provides him a political advantage in the form of the Birthers (who are unintentionally helping Obama), why then would he? I sure as hell wouldn’t. The opportunity to paint yourself as a victim while also portraying your political opponents as a bunch of deranged conspiracy nuts would be too good to pass up. Chris Matthews isn’t covering the Birther story because it’ll hurt Obama.

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Ma (R), I’m not convinced he was born stateside. This commie punk should be questioned on the validity of anything he says or does. Nothing should be taken at face value with this ass munching crack head.

Alden Pyle on July 31, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:01 PM

(1) I’m not sure. That’s why it seems odd.

(2 & 3) I agree with you… But wasn’t the one who campaigned for transparency and against politics as usual.

Ampersand on July 31, 2009 at 10:10 PM

IF he is in power illegitimately, then he simply does not care about the constitution. In fact he has as much as said so.

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM

If as President he’s not respectful of the Constitution (and thus far, it looks like he’s not terribly respective), then it’s a completely legitimate point to make. Trying to tie it into the Birther nonsense is both unnecessary and counterproductive.

If for the sake of argument (and very highly unlikely scenario) he was ineligible, it’s too late now- he already got away with it. The courts have no authority to depose him (and wouldn’t if they did), and the Democrat controlled Congress sure as hell isn’t going to impeach him. The Birthers have already so beclowned themselves that any form of “evidence” isn’t going to be taken seriously.

Who’s going to be taken more seriously in defense of Constitutional principles- a conspiracy theorist rambling about birth certificates, or a more sober-minded individual making a rational argument about the Tenth Amendment?

If you said the former, you’re delusional.

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:14 PM

By the way, thanks for correcting me the other day on Henry Gates’ education. I later corrected someone else who also thought he had only a Bachelor’s.

jazz_piano on July 31, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Anytime :). Great to hear you not only accepted it but spread the truth. I’m a stickler for the facts–I’m that guy who replies to email forwards with a detailed account of the false statements. Sometimes people listen, most of the time they just remember to not forward to me. A win either way… heh.

jonknee on July 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 8:15 PM

If she gave birth near her home in Hawaii, then why:

1) did Obama post a fake COLB?
2) did his Grandma Obama say on tape twice that he was born in Kenya?
3) did the Ambassador of Kenya, Peter Ogego, say on tape that his birthplace in Kenya is well-known?
4) did Raila Odinga seal his records in Kenya?
5) did he and his half-sister tell people he was born at Queens Hospital?
6) did he and his half-sister tell people he was born at Kapiolani Medical Center?
7) won’t he tell us whether he sent the letter with his signature on White House stationery and raised seal that says he was born at Kapiolani?
8) won’t he release his original birth certificate?
9) didn’t he register for the draft?
10) was he detained in Russia for issues related to his passport?
11) was his passport file accessed 3 different times in what someone close to the investigation says was intended to change information on his passport?
12) did his birth announcements in the paper list an address where his parents never lived, according to a neighbor who lived there at the time?

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Deal with it. He’s neither likely or obligated to hand over every scrap of paper documenting his past that his political opponents demand. Even if he did, it would just provide another opportunity to the Birthers to scream “fake”.

Obama is becoming vulnerable, but not because he’s been less than open and honest about his past. He’s becoming vulnerable because he’s doing a lousy job as President. Hit him where it hurts, not where it opens you up to an even harder counter-punch.

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

You’re still missing the point. The people that you, AP, ED and others so handily dismiss as “Birthers” are asking for the same standards to apply to all presidential candidates. There are interesting and important questions involving the definition of “natural born” that really should be decided clearly.

For people to scream about being embarrassed is absurd. What are y’all? A bunch of sissies who don’t know how to fight? Sheesh… You must be a David Frum acolyte.

I don’t care what it takes to neutralize this creep. Asking embarrassing questions should have been done long ago, and you should be thankful that some people are willing to keep on despite the constant ration of shite that you pansies keep dishing out. It’s so typical. Keep kicking people in the face. You can admit later to yourselves that they were right.

And if you just can’t handle it and you’re getting a bad case of the vapors, ignore us. We won’t mind one bit.

Cody1991 on July 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM

jmarcure on July 31, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Everybody can tell by looking at him that he’s Black. And to be truthful, the claim is already out there that he’s more Arab than Negro, based on genealogical records from Africa. But it won’t stick because anybody can see he’s Black. And he can’t help whether his mom lied about his race.

I just don’t see why that would hurt him even if it was on the certificate and was found out.

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 10:19 PM

(1) I’m not sure. That’s why it seems odd.

(2 & 3) I agree with you… But wasn’t the one who campaigned for transparency and against politics as usual.

Ampersand on July 31, 2009 at 10:10 PM

The COLB is what the state of Hawaii issues when a birth certificate is requested. That’s what he provided. That he didn’t also make the extra effort to provide the “long form” BC doesn’t imply he’s “hiding something”. He’s simply refusing to buckle to the demands of the conspiracy theory crowd, and I can’t blame him for that. I wouldn’t try to placate them either, because conspiracy theorists are always more interested advancing their goofy theories than accepting the truth; releasing the “long form” BC wouldn’t come close to killing off the Birther movement.

It’s completely unnecessary to bring his birth certificate into the argument if you’re making the very legitimate and accurate point that he’s not lived up to his campaign promises of transparency and “change”. Quite the opposite- the first mention of Birther-related nonsense is the quickest way to de-legitimize yourself; anything that comes after will be disregarded as not credible no matter how sound your argument might otherwise be.

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:23 PM

You’re still missing the point. The people that you, AP, ED and others so handily dismiss as “Birthers” are asking for the same standards to apply to all presidential candidates.
Cody1991 on July 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM

He’s no longer a candidate. He’s an elected official.

About these “same standards”. Got a link to an image of the “original” birth certificate for GW Bush? John Kerry? Al Gore? Bill Clinton? Bob Dole? HW Bush? If Obama is being treated under different standards, then surely these other candidates that ran during the Internet Age have posted theirs online, right?

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Allahpundit, Chris Matthews harps on the Southern angle too. You are in agreement with ‘thrill up the leg’ Bostonian.

Hey AP, isn’t it a shame that everyone couldn’t be a brilliant New Yorker? Being from the north is a pre requisite for being intelligent I guess.

Or at least it gives you a license to look down on everyone.

ThackerAgency on July 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM

If New Yorkers were so smart, why did they allow Clinton to carpet bag her way to becoming your representative? She wouldn’t have won in the South.

ThackerAgency on July 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM

If she gave birth near her home in Hawaii, then why:
justincase on July 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM

You’re expecting me to explain a series of events that occurred almost exclusively in your mind?

Sorry, but I’m not interested in exploring the depths of your misfiring brain.

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 8:25 PM

When Ann was in Seattle alone when Barack was 7 months old she told Barack’s babysitter that she was planning on going to Kenya – that she had promised her parents she would finish her schooling first and then go live in Kenya, although she knew her husband would be required to marry a woman from the tribe.

Obama implies that Ann never knew about Barack’s other wife and that they split up, even though they were very much in love, when he went to Harvard and couldn’t take Ann and Barack along.

Why would he need to have another wife? How did Ann learn about him needing to have another wife and why did Barack tell her about it then? Why did Ann never live with her husband again, beginning a few weeks after Barack was born? Why did Ann’s best friend in high school say she stopped in Seattle on her way to Harvard in 1961 to meet her husband there when he didn’t attend Harvard until 1962? Where WAS she en route to and from at that time?

The story that reporters have given is that Barack Sr’s family in Kenya were furious when they heard that he had married a white girl and was going to taint the family blood that way. But then later they were thrilled to learn that she had had a baby. What happened to change their minds over that long distance where everything was done by letters?

The story that I could never find the original sourcing for was that Ann and Barack had gone to Kenya, where she met and got along with his family but got disgusted at the way Muslim men treated their women. She couldn’t fly back to the US because she was too close to her due date. So she had the baby there and flew back to the US, having decided to leave him.

It sounds to me like her high school buddy affirms that she was en route to somewhere in 1961. Another buddy says she was there in late August of 1961, a few weeks after the birth. College records show she attended fall classes there in Seattle. And the babysitter confirms that her husband wasn’t there and that she knew that he was committed to be married to a Kenyan woman.

Something was definitely going on there in August of 1961 – and NOT just the birth of the baby.

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Quite the opposite- the first mention of Birther-related nonsense is the quickest way to de-legitimize yourself; anything that comes after will be disregarded as not credible no matter how sound your argument might otherwise be.

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Not so sure about that. I’m seeing an increasing number of people who are starting to question his legitimacy.

As far as the “you all are nuts” consider a couple of people sitting in a beer hall in germany in the 1930′s discussing hitler, his anti semitism etc. If you were to drop into that table and say “Hey guys, Hitler is going to start a war that will kill 20 million people and he will murder 6 million Jews in just a couple of years”.

Imagine that… You would be telling the absolute truth. Do you think that the people at the table would say “I agree” or would the be calling you a nutcase??

Also, the “Let’s not make waves or we give our enemy ammuntiion” argument is pathetic. Consider the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. The poles only gave the Jews a couple of handguns. Not even two dozen. The uprising resulted in two divisions of German troops being diverted from the eastern front. The participants had a choice of “gee if I don’t make any waves they won’t hurt me”. I’m sure that some of the people relating stories of the nazi atrocities were called nutcases. Why do you think Ike marched everyone he could through the camps???

NO I AM NOT EQUATING OZERO WITH HITLER. just making a point that hindsight is 20 20. What may seem crazy to some people could be the truth, especially here where there is evidence that something is screwy.

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 10:45 PM

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 8:38 PM

A Kenyan economist whose undergraduate and graduate education was paid for by grants and whose father was a wealthy man.

Could they afford the trip to have their son and daughter-in-law see them between college semesters? A daughter-in-law who a few months later told her son’s babysitter that her plans were to live in Kenya. And a grandson who was supposedly dead broke and yet traveled to Pakistan for 3 weeks between attending Occidental and expensive Columbia University (at a time when he said he was blowing off college and thus would not have likely gotten any kind of academic scholarships).

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 10:46 PM

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Frank Marshall Davis (Obama’s friend/mentor “Frank”) was in the Communist Party USA even during WWII. The group was hugely pro-Soviet. His wife was a socialite in Chicago before they married. It’s highly likely that Obama went to Chicago at his behest and was incorporated into the rich Ayers family circle through his contacts with Frank Marshall.

So yes, the whole Russian language issue fits in with the bigger picture also.

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 10:54 PM

If Obama is being treated under different standards, then surely these other candidates that ran during the Internet Age have posted theirs online, right?

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM

It’s something called “reasonable suspicion”. If I come into customs not carrying anything illegal, tell the truth to the immigration guys and act normally, then there is no problem.

However, suppose I start mixing up my stories and what I’m saying conflicts with my travelling companions, The little doggy starts sniffing my luggage and gets excited. They find my tickets were paid for by someone in Bogata.. reasonable suspicion.. time for the rubber glove treatment.

The Bliefers cite people like Regan, and other presidents. I despise Jimmah carter but would have no reason to believe that he was not eligible. However, Obama has provided a lot of grounds for ‘reasonable suspicion’.

BTW – McCain had to show HIS credentials..

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Absolutely wrong. The long form BC is where this all starts and goes on from there.
You can certainly give up the claim that you need the BC, there’s a ton more after that point, but hell why not start at the beginning.

This, like the Gates blow up, is 100% Barry’s fault.

ORconservative on July 31, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Good Lt on July 31, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Give us links full of factual evidence that aren’t to Factcheck or Snopes.

What you’re doing is a logical fallacy called “poisoning the well”. Anybody who would report on this is crazy. So when we give links to anybody who’s reporting on this you say they’re crazy.

It’s a dishonest way of protecting yourself from having to believe anything you don’t want to believe. Anybody who has studied logic sees right through what you’re doing.

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Not so sure about that. I’m seeing an increasing number of people who are starting to question his legitimacy.
bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 10:45 PM

In 2002-2003 we saw an increasing number of people starting to “question” the “official narrative” of what happened on 9/11. We refer to these people as “Truthers”. They are nutjobs.

Now we have an increasing number of people who are starting to question Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of the President. We refer to these people as “Birthers”. They are also nutjobs.

Different peas, same pod.

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Frank Marshall Davis (Obama’s friend/mentor “Frank”) was in the Communist Party USA even during WWII. The group was hugely pro-Soviet. His wife was a socialite in Chicago before they married. It’s highly likely that Obama went to Chicago at his behest and was incorporated into the rich Ayers family circle through his contacts with Frank Marshall.

So yes, the whole Russian language issue fits in with the bigger picture also.

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Yeah but but but Sarah Palin BOUGHT A TANNING BED…

Anyway, thanks for posting the info in the last couple of posts.

There are elections officials in all 57 states who should be facing charges for dereliction of duty.

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 10:59 PM

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Yeah, this is the guy who said the Constitution is “tragically flawed” because it limited the federal government instead of “empowering” it.

It’s no wonder it took him 2 times to swear an oath to defend the Constitution – and he didn’t mean it either time.

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 11:03 PM

We refer to these people as “Birthers”. They are also nutjobs.

Different peas, same pod.

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Nah Nah, you just called me a name.. Sticks and stones..

You are so sure of yourself. There is ample evidence that something is screwy and no evidence to prove otherwise. Yep, the jugeared jackass sez so so you’ll believe him.

As I mentioned before, calling people crazy was a favorite tool of Stalinist Russia. You disagree and you go straight to the mental institution because anyone who disagrees is crazy.

In a previous incarnation were you one of the guys who wanted to try Copernicus for heresy because he was saying the world wasn’t the center of the universe??

What about the tactics of the global warming nazis.. “Anyone who doesn’t believe in Globull warming is a holocaust denier”… Yep, call the opposition crazy. I worked in the Soviet union for three decades. er. sorry, you don’t believe in glowbull worming do you??

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Yeah, this is the guy who said the Constitution is “tragically flawed” because it limited the federal government instead of “empowering” it.

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 11:03 PM

I’d love to see if the toilet paper in his personal bathroom is parchment with “We the People” printed on it.

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 11:13 PM

I’m surprised that Obama hasn’t called a prime time press conference and produced his birth certificate in person.

He likes press conferences so much, and this is as good as excuse as any…

TN Mom
natural born (Southern AND American) :)

TN Mom on July 31, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM

A series of events that happened in my brain? That has got to be the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard, and I’ve heard some pretty rotten ones.

The 2 Sarah Obama tapes exist. The COLB forgery exists. Reports of the statements by Obama and his half-sister exist. The letter to Kapiolani exists. Raila Odinga’s decree exists. Peter Ogego’s taped statements exist. The detainment in Russia was reported. The illegal passport accessing was investigated (until the lead witness who was cooperating was shot for as-of-yet-unexplained reasons, which halted the investigation).

If you think this is all in my mind when any fool can go look at it, you are the nuttiest person on this thread.

But hey, it gave you a way to answer the post without engaging with the content. Another fart in our general direction. Ad hominems.

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 11:13 PM

TN Mom
natural born (Southern AND American) :)

TN Mom on July 31, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Love it!!!

Cindy Munford on July 31, 2009 at 11:22 PM

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 11:13 PM

lol. Me too. Reminds me of the “Official ‘I Hate Cats” Book” that had a cartoon of TP with pictures of cats on it.

Your posts are awesomely on fire and right on track. I have a feeling you’re into history, especially WWII – a fascinating time with a lot of parallels to today. America may be stupid enough to be destined to repeat the mistakes that others have made in the past. If we don’t know our history we’re doomed to repeat it.

I’ve really, really struggled in the past to understand how the good German people could smell flesh burning and do nothing. Now I know. God help us all.

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Screw you, allah. Go outside and look at the preversions walking down your street. Those are your community, they are you. Keep thinking that what you see outside your door and in those bars where you hang out full of dysfunctional perverted men are America.

peacenprosperity on July 31, 2009 at 11:30 PM

justincase on July 31, 2009 at 11:23 PM

You are right, WWII is a “teachable moment”. There are a couple of other things that I find fascinating. One is the Polish Husaria especially under Jan III sobieski and the fall of the Roman Empire.

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Proud to be a “birther”

Bernadette on July 31, 2009 at 11:46 PM

The best thing I can say for the “Birthers” is that they perceive Obama’s foreignness and falsity. If he had been born in Missouri, he would still be a stranger. If his birth certificate were found to be good as gold, he would still be a confidence man.

Kralizec on July 31, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Proud to be a “birther”

Bernadette on July 31, 2009 at 11:46 PM

If you can find a bookie to take this bet, here is the lowdown. The birth certificate says father “Unknown”. Barry senior never legally married barry’s slutty mother, that was a scam to keep his commie buddy frank marshall, who the police were already watching for his relationships
with underaged boys and girls, out of jail. The trollip took barry to indonesia where her foreign communist of the year adopted him. barry not only never did the paperwork renouncing the indonesian citizenship, but because he always has thought himself clever he uses it to gain admittance to several universities as well as getting an advantage on other students for financial aid. barry is a citizen, but he is a sleazy cheat. On top of all this, my bet is that the idiots grades are not so sterling. In 50 years it will be pointed out that george bush had the best college grades of any president between 1960 and 2012.

peacenprosperity on August 1, 2009 at 12:00 AM

my bet is that the idiots grades are not so sterling. In 50 years it will be pointed out that george bush had the best college grades of any president between 1960 and 2012.

And let me add that I am not particularly thrilled with george bush for squandering the opportunity to be great. He did an OK job with the middle east but could have done better and got an F when it came to domestic policy. He abdicated domestic policy to boehner and his toadies. One day boehner will be recognized as one of the greatest villians in American histor. The man is evil and is not done with the damage he will inflict on this country.

peacenprosperity on August 1, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Still waiting for the Prooof from anti-Birthers that the Birthers are helping Barry and hurting them.

Christien on August 1, 2009 at 12:07 AM

American histor

y

peacenprosperity on August 1, 2009 at 12:08 AM

I’m from liberal MD and live in PA but then the GOP(grand ol’ pushovers) compromised it’s values so I ditched them.

larvcom on August 1, 2009 at 12:19 AM

U.S. Constitution Article 2, Section 1, Claus 6:
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, UNTIL THE DISABILITY BE REMOVED, OR A PRESIDENT SHALL BE ELECTED.

Does anyone else read that to say that the line of succession would pass downward “until the DISABILITY BE REMOVED”- meaning that’ll require the whole Democrat party be removed since for neglecting their responsibility to THOROUGHLY VET their candidate?
.
or is there another provision in the Constitution that covers an ineligible “usurper-president”?

NightmareOnKStreet on August 1, 2009 at 12:35 AM

No one seems to be hanging around here so let me take up some space and elaborate on what the initial plan was for the middle east. despite the loonies theories about bush going after saddam for the asassination attempt on his father, the truth is that bush and the so called neo cons saw that the momentum in the middle east was going in the jihadist, totalitarian direction. Not only did the entire middle east fear saddam, but he was involved in enough stuff to warrant action. No matter what the media says, what the leftists say, what the dying europeans say, the conclusions that saddam was involved in the development of weapons of mass destruction and that he was fully involved in international terrorism and had an active relationship with al queda were fully supported by evidence obtained during the war. It is amazing that the media can say something, conservatives know it’s a lie, yet accept silence as proof that the conclusion is that the war had no merit. bush went to war against the most aggressive and oppressive dictators in the middle east. His target was not just saddam and iraq, the purpose was to throw out of balance the status quo. For 75 years, brutal dictator after brutal dictator has ruled over all the middle east countries. If you think there is freedom in any of these small califates awash in western business and elitest money, go stand on a corner there and start reading the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution out loud. You might as well be humping a good muslim girl in the middle of an intersection. Saudi Arabia has never been free and they consider America thier enemy. bush’s target was not the overthrow of one dictator, it was the destabilization of all the totalitarian governments in the middle east because radical jihad is the tool they use to oppress thier people and turn thier gaze outward. The goal was to start the dominoes toppling. And they are, unless barry steps in and aids the totalitarians. If Western Civilization survives, bush, with all his weaknesses and faults, will one day be recognized as one of the most important Americans who ever lived.

peacenprosperity on August 1, 2009 at 12:36 AM

iraq is an imperfect, but free, democracy. It will be an example to the oppressed throughout the middle east. It will inspire and ignite. That is, unless the current regime in washington chooses to abandon iraq, as the democrats abandoned South Viet Nam. bush lit the fire, the current regime in washington can keep it going or they can stand by and watch it snuffed out. It is arrogant and stupid to think that those who would wish for the failure of freedom in iraq are ignorant of American history.

peacenprosperity on August 1, 2009 at 12:44 AM

peacenprosperity on August 1, 2009 at 12:36 AM

Excellent.

Bernadette on August 1, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Obama can’t be a naturalized American; according to liberals, he was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth.

Seriously, of all the things that are wrong with Obama, this is the last thing I care.

bombos on August 1, 2009 at 12:57 AM

And to simplify, for anyone who doesn’t get it yet, iraq was not the target. Ultimately saudi arabia was the target. The saudi arabians know it. That is really why gas was almost $5.00 a gallon during the primary season, they didn’t want another republican in office. Get over the speculator BS, those who control the spigets, control the price.

peacenprosperity on August 1, 2009 at 12:58 AM

aw damn, someone already took my joke on the first page!

bombos on August 1, 2009 at 1:00 AM

Hollowpoint on July 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Resorting to ad hominum attacks when barraged with facts and well reasoned arguments, like justincase’s, simply pulls down the quality of discourse and exchange for everyone here.

Whatever your opinion, it is so obvious that justincase has clocked many hours investigating and researching.

You, on the other hand, have accepted whatever the MSM has trotted out as “proof”.

Justincase runs rings around you intellectually and in his level of thoughtfulness and maturity. I may be wrong, but I have not seen him insult anyone as he calmly makes and defends his argument.

Could it be that vociferous posters like you, who, with the Left’s love of personal ridicule, defend Precious Leader Barack’s right to hide a simple birth cert. and are simply Precious Leader Barack’s supporters, period?

It seems that you revealed a bit of that when you stated. “If as President he’s not respectful of the Constitution (and thus far, it looks like he’s not terribly respective)…”

Good Heavens! Obama is destroying the Constitution on the level of Hurricane Katrina, and you have him graded as mild storm.

Own up or be quiet.

P.S. I won’t be engaging in a food fight; – so if you reply just know ahead of time that I won’t. Maybe just think a little about how you treat people that you disagree with.

tigerlily on August 1, 2009 at 1:10 AM

P.S. For the general readership, if interested:

Here is my thinking on Obama in a nutshell -

He is a baby killer, liar, racist, communist, thief and campaign financial law fraud and violator of the first order.

And those are his good points.

The billionaires/currency/market manipulators/new world order pushers, such as Soros, who back Obama, are ruthless thugs, who have found a puppet in Obama, who wants power more than life itself. Our lives, that is.

Lying about place of birth, or real parentage, or anything else for that matter, IS NOTHING to this egomaniac, if it gets him what he wants – power over every citizen and the destruction of the USA.

Anyone who has ears to hear and eyes to see already knows that there is no bottom, and nothing is beneath Obama’s rap sheet of dirty tricks and gang of dirty trickters.

Before this is all over, we will wish that all he had done to us was lie about his citizenship or birth cert. info.

tigerlily on August 1, 2009 at 1:42 AM

@ justincase, bullseye, Nightmare, peacenprosper, tigerlilly and all other birthers/documenters/question askers, etc…

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Califemme on August 1, 2009 at 2:48 AM

This would be the same publication that ran a piece today promoting a video about how someone found evidence that Jesus named Obama as the antichrist?

jonknee on July 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM

I read the whole article.

I see nothing that resembles anything remarkably different in editorial style than you would see in The Economist, National Geographic, New York Times, The Nation, Mother Jones, Scientific American, National Review, or The Atlantic.

I read the whole article.

Saltysam on August 1, 2009 at 3:36 AM

He is a baby killer, liar, racist, communist, thief and campaign financial law fraud and violator of the first order.

tigerlily on August 1, 2009 at 1:42 AM

…but he’s so cool.

Saltysam on August 1, 2009 at 3:45 AM

Basically, the only sources of information that are available on Obama’s background are his two books that he wrote and that are fraught with out and out lies. So, a guy that would literally create certain details about himself, lock up every revealing document from his past and then spend startling amounts of money in legals to fight off any challenge to gain their release, should spark some queries beyond a “conspiracy” flag. A one term jr. senator with virtually no accomplishments to hold up is now the POTUS, and yet the vast majority of MSM would paint those that are simply seeking the truth or confirmation of the truth, as wackos. Seems to me those of you that so vigorously defend Obama’s position of non-response are either suppressing your own curiosity or you simply don’t care about constitutional compliance. Just my take.

Syd B. on August 1, 2009 at 5:22 AM

This would be the same publication that ran a piece today promoting a video about how someone found evidence that Jesus named Obama as the antichrist?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105527

WND is the definition of a nutter publication.

jonknee on July 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM

LMAO @ jonknee!!!

You do realize that VERY SAME VIDEO was posted here at HotAir???

I give you ‘johnknee the nutter’, everyone!

Mr Purple on August 1, 2009 at 6:42 AM

When the ‘suppressors’ start presenting evidence, research, cite relevant laws and court cases I will start to listen to them.

SInce they don’t – it is hard to take them seriously. They are the willfully ignorant. They don’t want to spend the time it takes to read the evidence and make their own informed conclusion. So much easier to just parrot what Jon Stewart or Chrissy Matthews tell them.

It’s an easier truth for them to accept. They don’t have to think about it too hard – and they are told exactly what to think and how to respond.

Clearly the issue IS NOT going away. It is only generating more interest – and those who have been on the sidelines are starting to look at the facts for themselves qand siding with the ‘birthers’.

Even ‘amateur birthers’ (those of us who don’t get paid to write about our views) present well researched arguments. They have taken the time to view the Dunham/Soetoro divorce records. They have taken the time to read up on the variouos scenarios a COLB can be obtained or altered. They wonder why he is registered as an Indonesian citizen in school records and ponder the ramifications of his Indonesian citizenship. They’ve followed the shell game of the COLB and the alleged birth hospital.

They have not chosen to view the pile of evidence and simply shrug their shoulders and say ‘meh – it’s just the Constitution. Does it really matter?’.

I applaud all the ‘birthers’ for coming to your own conclusions and having the guts to stick by them as the media and some in your own party attempt to marginalize you.

I’ve enjoyed the ride so far and only get more energized when I see the rest of you making such thoughtful and convincing arguments.

For the ‘suppressors’ – I respect your right to have your own opinions – but your arguments are incredibly weak. I see people convinced by the ‘birthers’ facts every day.

What I DON’T see are people convinced by the ‘suppressors’ arguments, I would also like to thank YOU for presenting your case so pathetically.

Mr Purple on August 1, 2009 at 7:08 AM

There are elections officials in all 57 states who should be facing charges for dereliction of duty.

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 10:59 PM

BO clearly says that he visited 57, had one to go and wasn’t allowed to visit Hawaii or Alaska. Sorry but that adds up to 60 states so are you trying to say that in those other three states the election officials are fine and should not be investigated? Do you know the name of the 58th state? These three states should be commended for the election process don’t you think?

jmarcure on August 1, 2009 at 7:39 AM

For the ’suppressors’ – I respect your right to have your own opinions – but your arguments are incredibly weak. I see people convinced by the ‘birthers’ facts every day.

Mr Purple on August 1, 2009 at 7:08 AM

Come on now. Are you saying that repeating over and over that birthers are nut jobs, crazy, insane, hurting the party, should STFU, should go away, are stupid, morons and just as bad as tooothers, (what ever that is) or posting links to the same picture time and again are weak arguments?

jmarcure on August 1, 2009 at 7:54 AM

The reason I doubt POTUS is there is so much secrecy about his entire history. Previous Presidents are thoroughly combed for every tidbit of information from their past. It sure does bring up a bunch of questions of, “WHY”.

mixplix on August 1, 2009 at 8:09 AM

“Skeptics mostly Southern”. General Sherman envisioned this and acted accordingly.

simplesimon on August 1, 2009 at 8:17 AM

Whatever your opinion, it is so obvious that justincase has clocked many hours investigating and researching.

You, on the other hand, have accepted whatever the MSM has trotted out as “proof”.

tigerlily on August 1, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Tigerlilly – Thanks for that. I think there are a lot of people who think the are super well informed with balanced news because the watch Chris Matthews AND Keith Olberman along with Saturday Night Live.

Arguing with these people reminds me of arguing with the guy at the barbecue with his hat on backwards who is working on his ninth budwiser of hour. They listen to themselves and think “I know what’s going on” when in reality, they are way off base.

OTOH, we have justincase who, as you have said, has done a lot of research.

There are a lot of people who will only color within the lines and who get all their info soley from the lamestream media. I posted before about what I see at our Republican parties.. ie ELECTED republican state officials praising Obama and Bashing Palin. These people seem almost brainwashed. I could understand more if they were praising Romney or Jindall and bashing Palin (I would still think they were wrong but it would make more sense).

I suppose it’s the dumbing down of our educational system. The Frankfort School has proven to be effective. We have people who refuse to do any kind of critical thinking.

bullseye on August 1, 2009 at 8:19 AM

He is a baby killer, liar, racist, communist, thief and campaign financial law fraud and violator of the first order.

tigerlily on August 1, 2009 at 1:42 AM
…but he’s so cool.

Saltysam on August 1, 2009 at 3:45 AM

Oh yeah, baby, he does it all with such a swagga….

tigerlily on August 1, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Some people need to be reminded of the definition of satire.

corona on August 1, 2009 at 9:01 AM

…ie ELECTED republican state officials praising Obama and Bashing Palin.

bullseye on August 1, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Let’s let every last one of them know that they can run, but they can’t hide — or get elected again.

tigerlily on August 1, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Let’s let every last one of them know that they can run, but they can’t hide — or get elected again.

tigerlily on August 1, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Well that’s true. Especially if the anti-birthers get their wish and drive the birthers out of the party. After all you don’t want crazy people voting for your guy because it will make you look bad in the eyes of the people that hate you.

jmarcure on August 1, 2009 at 9:12 AM

If you can find a bookie to take this bet, here is the lowdown. The birth certificate says father “Unknown”. Barry senior never legally married barry’s slutty mother, that was a scam to keep his commie buddy frank marshall, who the police were already watching for his relationships
with underaged boys and girls, out of jail. The trollip took barry to indonesia where her foreign communist of the year adopted him. barry not only never did the paperwork renouncing the indonesian citizenship, but because he always has thought himself clever he uses it to gain admittance to several universities as well as getting an advantage on other students for financial aid. barry is a citizen, but he is a sleazy cheat. On top of all this, my bet is that the idiots grades are not so sterling. In 50 years it will be pointed out that george bush had the best college grades of any president between 1960 and 2012.

peacenprosperity on August 1, 2009 at 12:00 AM

You forgot to work the spaceship and the unicorn in. Also, Malcolm X is the real baby daddy. You almost had me, though.

Pablo on August 1, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Well that’s true. Especially if the anti-birthers get their wish and drive the birthers out of the party.

No, not quite. we’ve got a nice reeducation camp waiting for you. Mwaaahahahaaa!!!!

Pablo on August 1, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Update: Voinovich 1, Vitter 0.
Only 47 percent of Southern respondents believe Obama was born in the USA. By contrast, 93 percent of Northeasterns said yes, he was born here, 90 percent of Midwesterners did and 87 percent of Westerners.
Wow.

Got it backwards, AllahPundit.

Southerners knew little about Obama, and then voted for McCain. The rest of the country knew more about Obama – yet voted for him anyway, to their growing horror. So who were the real dupes? It shows the savvy and common sense of Southerners and the ditziness of the rest of the country, including Ohioans.

ChrisB on August 1, 2009 at 9:29 AM

As Sherlock Holmes would surmise; The guard dog is not barking; Therefore someone’s guilty!

Cybergeezer on August 1, 2009 at 9:31 AM

I suppose it’s the dumbing down of our educational system. The Frankfort School has proven to be effective. We have people who refuse to do any kind of critical thinking.

bullseye on August 1, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Ace/Spades open thread hosted an interesting conversation late last night as ATNorth discussed your point with others: ATNorth at August 01, 2009 05:27 AM (XH/G8). He’s preparing a paper on the subject for a liberal arts class with a feminist professor. Wish him well.

I would note that perhaps indeed student peers have not been given the intellectual tools of didactic research to study contrasting polemics. However, today’s older professors were once students offered those tools from their older professors, but chose through their own experience to selectively utilize the tools to purport their own leftist views honed to fit within a narrowing crack. Propaganda is packaged and marketed for the entire intellectual spectrum, not simply for the indolent of mind. No doubt, the sword of malice cuts deepest when the edge is refined. And that particular sword struck Gov. Palin deepest into her vitals to deliver the death blow. She remained standing given her determined faith. The follow up of countless swipes by the progressive status quo Republicans bled her entire family, including the innocence of her younger children, ridiculed simply for their existence as if they had no right to be. If the attacks were limited from the left, her resources required in self defense would not have been utterly consumed. It is the shame of America for having abused and discarded Gov.Palin without regard for her accomplishments in office as well as her integrity, both personal and professional. Republican leaders with their progressive members designed the media presentation of Gov.Palin persona non grata because she represents traditional “truth and the American way” as a woman; and leaving no stone unhurled, they subsequently denigrate all those who grant Gov.Palin the right to self determination, now being typecast as right wing radicals for holding to decency. Regardless of party affiliation, the status quo agenda remains to assassinate conservatism from the GOP ranks.

Finally, those in Washington have perfected the means to usurp all that we have to bribe Americans into slavery. We pay our taxes knowing full well we will never see that money again, that it is all for naught, given Washingtonians.

I repudiate the progressive agenda and those who scathingly type-cast conservative matters as if radical rather than acknowledge tradition. They play Marxist tools on behalf of Obama’s administration that enables Congressional and Judicial corruption.

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM

When I joined the military, I had to fill out a detailed application. When I got my top secret clearance, I was grilled for two days by the FBI as to why my birth cerficate said ______ and my application said something else. You see, my birth cerficate gave my place of birth as the nearest city and on my application I gave the actual place of my birth, which was in a house out in the country.
Now, the least that Obama should have to do is what I had to do, unless my job was more important in proctecting this country than the one.

Johan Klaus on August 1, 2009 at 9:48 AM

justincase, bullseye, Nightmare, peacenprosperity, Wolftech, tigerlilly, Califemme, Mr Purple – I’m sure I left some of you birthers/documenters/question askers out:

It looks like the suppressors aren’t making much headway. In fact, it looks like they’re swimming upstream.

This comment is a little long, but please check it out and give me your feedback.

I posted a couple of links on an earlier thread that have been challenged, in one case by someone posting as New_Jersey_Buckeye. This is the link he challenged.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

New_Jersey_Buckeye made a valid point, in that SCOTUS decisions are the final word as to what the constitution means, regardless of what we may find in the Federalist Papers and other writings by the Founders. He also pointed to U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) as proving that “Natural Born Citizen” meant the same as “Citizen”. I’ve been going through that decision, as well as a couple of others, and all I can see there is a reference using “natural born citizen” to demonstrate that one can become a citizen through birth; I can find nothing in the decision that defines “natural born citizen”.

On the other hand, Perkins v. Elg (1939) does appear to demonstrate that “natural born citizen” is someone born in this country to parents who are citizens of this country. It is complicated somewhat because her father was naturalized before 1907, but her mother became a citizen by virtue of the Expatriation Act of 1907, which provided that a wife automatically received American citizenship when her husband was naturalized (wives of previously naturalized husbands were grandfathered in).

I am a system developer, not a lawyer, and am admittedly struggling with parsing these court cases. In my line of work, a programming term tends to mean the same thing from program to program. The law seems to be a little …squishy in that regard. If there are some real lawyers out there who would like to jump in and help clarify the matter, we would all benefit. As I said before, I’m not trying to prove anything one way or the other. Like Joe Friday, all I want are “just the facts, ma’am”.

JackOkie on August 1, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I’m going to repeat myself here in this long thread. I am not a birther. Obama’s mother was a US citizen, so is he. But that’s really not the point of this controversy at all, and everyone (most of all Obama’s people) know it. “Do you think he was born in America?” was the question asked, but the vast majority of those 28% were really answering “Do you think he’s hiding something by having all of his records sealed.”

And the answer, of course, is that clearly he is. Even the lefties believe that now. They’ll try to marginalize this as a “conspiracy theory” — because they’re scared of what he’s hiding — but the fact is that our president has gone to great lengths to cover up his personal, professional, and academic background. And as I recall from the Nixon days, it isn’t the crime that’ll get ya, it’s the cover up.

Rational Thought on August 1, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Anytime :). Great to hear you not only accepted it but spread the truth. I’m a stickler for the facts–I’m that guy who replies to email forwards with a detailed account of the false statements. Sometimes people listen, most of the time they just remember to not forward to me. A win either way… heh.

jonknee on July 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM

You’re the guy who posts a lot of false statements — all lefty memes, with misleading links in support. When confronted with your errors, you never acknowledge you were wrong.

Blake on August 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM

FIRST!

Bishop on August 1, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Cody1991 on July 31, 2009 at 8:51 PM
re: bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 8:38 PM

The trivia interest regards the necessary lay-over locations and time spent either in China or Indonesia on a commercial flight from Hawaii to Kenya during the early 1960s.

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:07 AM

bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 8:38 PM

As I recall from research, the Berkeley study documenting the Dunham correspondences and passports referenced Obama’s mother traveling alone, trying to keep pace with Obama’s father as he only took care of himself. She finally gave up on him when he returned to his other families in Kenya. Too much competition, and neither she nor Barry were accepted either in the black native community nor the white then. Obama’s father did not favor Barry, nor Stanley Dunham, ever. And she evidently did not like living as part of his polygamous family, nor did she care for his mother or siblings.

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:08 AM

So, what’s the deal now? Has Allahpundit now declared war on Southerners? Is he going to use his soapbox,HotAir, to repeatedly attack and ridicule them? I know he doesn’t particularly like Southerners but this is way over the top.

Blake on August 1, 2009 at 10:09 AM

New_Jersey_Buckeye made a valid point, in that SCOTUS decisions are the final word as to what the constitution means, regardless of what we may find in the Federalist Papers and other writings by the Founders. He also pointed to U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) as proving that “Natural Born Citizen” meant the same as “Citizen”. I’ve been going through that decision, as well as a couple of others, and all I can see there is a reference using “natural born citizen” to demonstrate that one can become a citizen through birth; I can find nothing in the decision that defines “natural born citizen”.

JackOkie on August 1, 2009 at 9:50 AM

From United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)…

The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution. 88 U. S. 422; Boyd v. United States, 116 U. S. 616, 116 U. S. 624, 116 U. S. 625; Smith v. Alabama, 124 U. S. 465. The language of the Constitution, as has been well said, could not be understood without reference to the common law. Kent Com. 336; Bradley, J., in Moore v. United States,@ 91 U. S. 270, 91 U. S. 274.

“All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. . . . We find no warrant for the opinion

Page 169 U. S. 663

that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.”

elgeneralisimo on August 1, 2009 at 10:11 AM

JackOkie on August 1, 2009 at 9:50 AM

ditto

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:11 AM

So, what’s the deal now? Has Allahpundit now declared war on Southerners? Is he going to use his soapbox,HotAir, to repeatedly attack and ridicule them? I know he doesn’t particularly like Southerners but this is way over the top.
Blake on August 1, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Don’t worry about it; 94% of New Yorkers believe food originates in grocery stores.

Bishop on August 1, 2009 at 10:18 AM

I’d love to see if the toilet paper in his personal bathroom is parchment with “We the People” printed on it.
bullseye on July 31, 2009 at 11:13 PM

stolen from House Chambers

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:20 AM

94% of New Yorkers believe food originates in grocery stores.
Bishop on August 1, 2009 at 10:18 AM

94% of I-HEART-NY insist civilization halts west of NYC.

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Only 47 percent of Southern respondents believe Obama was born in the USA. By contrast, 93 percent of Northeasterns said yes, he was born here, 90 percent of Midwesterners did and 87 percent of Westerners.

Virginians are just ticked because Nairobi, Kenya can now claim to be The Birthplace of Presidents.

ChrisB on August 1, 2009 at 10:23 AM

I have failed to find anyone answering my question:

Why are conservative blogs such as HA turning off, slandering their own readers and worse yet – potential allies in important fights against Government control?

Okay, So Allahpundit and some commenters see no purpose in pressing for a long form b/c, think the whole issue is not only made up, but minor. Another group thinks there is an issue and want it addressed but in no way demand Allahpundit and some commenters get behind the issue or do anything to further their concerns.

No problem until we get to the name calling and ridicule, along with the claim that people who believe differently are “hurting the party”. I always thought name calling and ridicule was reserved for the Democrats. No so, this blog is proof that the conservatives believe in eating their own. Sure hope you guys never need friends or assistance from the group you’ve just alienated.

katablog.com on August 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM

94% of New Yorkers believe food originates in grocery stores.
Bishop on August 1, 2009 at 10:18 AM

94% of I-HEART-NY insist civilization halts west of NYC.

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:23 AM

94% of New Yorkers can’t drive a car.

Blake on August 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM

justincase

Have you visited Atty Mario Apuzzo’s website? Great research and legal findings regarding Obama’s origin there.

Evidently, Obama holds British citizenship as well.

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:30 AM

93.7% of New Yorkers believe interpretive dance should be taught in elementary schools.

Bishop on August 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM

94100% of New Yorkers can’t drive a car safely.

Blake on August 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM

FIFY

ChrisB on August 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM

When first running for state office, Obama and his people went through the petition and candidacy registration records of his opponents–including the incumbent, a Democrat, and very cleverly engineered the disqualification of all of them for picayune clerical and procedural errors. All of them. Obama remained the only candidate standing and won more or less by default, not by votes. Given these kinds of shenanigans, his refusal to just come out and offer up his birth certificate is suspicious, to say the least.

Do I think Obama was born in the US? Probably, almost certainly. The political gains made by stoking seemingly outrageous conspiracy theories and discrediting the opposition is probably too tempting to resist for Obama and his political strategists. The thing is, if Obama was a man of character, none of this controversy would exist. That’s the outrage here. That’s the problem.

troyriser_gopftw on August 1, 2009 at 10:33 AM

President Barack Hussein “Taquiyya” Obama sucketh.

Maquis on August 1, 2009 at 10:33 AM

94% of New Yorkers can’t drive a car.
Blake on August 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Bwahahaha! case closed

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Rasmussen: 48% say Obama is very liberal.

On an unrelated note, scientists have found that 52% of Americans have lost touch with reality.

jazz_piano on August 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM

94% of New Yorkers have 5 or more locks on their doors — and they still get burglarized at least once a year.

Blake on August 1, 2009 at 10:37 AM

suspicious, to say the least.
troyriser_gopftw on August 1, 2009 at 10:33 AM

TRANSPARENCY

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:37 AM

94% of New Yorkers have 5 or more locks on their doors — and they still get burglarized at least once a year.
Blake on August 1, 2009 at 10:37 AM

by their own NEIGHBORS.

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:37 AM

by their own NEIGHBORS.

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:37 AM

LOL

Blake on August 1, 2009 at 10:39 AM

scientists have found that 52% of Americans have lost touch with reality.

jazz_piano on August 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Nov.4, 2008

maverick muse on August 1, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Why are conservative blogs such as HA turning off, slandering their own readers and worse yet – potential allies in important fights against Government control?

Okay, So Allahpundit and some commenters see no purpose in pressing for a long form b/c, think the whole issue is not only made up, but minor. Another group thinks there is an issue and want it addressed but in no way demand Allahpundit and some commenters get behind the issue or do anything to further their concerns.

No problem until we get to the name calling and ridicule, along with the claim that people who believe differently are “hurting the party”. I always thought name calling and ridicule was reserved for the Democrats. No so, this blog is proof that the conservatives believe in eating their own. Sure hope you guys never need friends or assistance from the group you’ve just alienated.

katablog.com on August 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Respecting Birthers has not exactly worked out for Lou Dobbs: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/lou_dobbs_ratings_decline_during_birther_coverage_123219.asp

HotAir’s business model, in contrast, thrives by belittling Birthers.

ChrisB on August 1, 2009 at 10:42 AM

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