Glenn Beck: Cash For Clunkers may be a government scheme to take over your computer

posted at 7:46 pm on July 31, 2009 by Allahpundit

Why the feds would target something this supposedly nefarious at a tiny niche of people who want to trade in their gas-guzzlers is as unclear to me as why they’d tell you they’re doing it instead of doing it surreptitiously, as would be the case if GB’s allusion to Nazism near the beginning were accurate. I’m looking forward to hearing more on Monday, though, especially from Guilfoyle about how agreeing to the website’s terms of use grants the state a perfectly legal license to do whatever it wants with your computer. I’m reasonably sure there would be Fourth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment complications there, but we’ll see. As for the terms of use themselves, any techies willing and able to enlighten about how unorthodox this sort of thing is? I’m guessing that some moron government lawyer somewhere was trying to deter hacking and either drafted the language overbroadly or adapted it from some private site without thinking how it would read coming from a .gov domain. Given that the cost in bad press will grossly outweigh whatever benefit they’ll get from checking out your digital porn collection, it’s almost impossible to believe that this is what it looks like. But like I say, we’ll see.

On a more serious note, C4C is getting a new fuel injection of $2 billion assuming that the Senate okays it next week. Minor footnotes: The program really won’t do that much to help carmakers; the carmarkers it does help are more likely to be foreign than American; and the many, many market inefficiencies it might cause makes it practically a textbook illustration of what’s wrong with Obamanomics. But other than that, it handles like a dream.

Update: Reader Skywise offers a possible explanation for the C4C terms of use. He’s probably right, although the website should have been a lot clearer about the purpose.


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You can’t teach a person what they think they already know.

Truer words…

Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2009 at 9:43 PM

My fellow Americans screwed the pooch when the elected this a$$hole president. I wouldn’t put anything past him.

farright on July 31, 2009 at 9:43 PM

guntotinglibertarian LOL!

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Leave canopfor alone or you will be pay dearly. MOBY

katy on July 31, 2009 at 9:27 PM

katy: Wingman Dudette,thanks for covering my ’6′!:)

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 9:45 PM

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 9:45 PM

;)

katy on July 31, 2009 at 9:47 PM

mmmmkaythere are too many posts and people cant read them all. I cleared it up once. Im not doing it again. No ones mad. Geesh.

I apologized. That is more than Barry or Prof Gates could ever do.

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:47 PM

DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Google ‘drive by download’ or ‘drive by install’

Sorry it happens in flash ads all the time. I deal with this stuff on a daily basis. Our computing environment group polices are set to practicably draconian standards and the average use still gets trojans, bots and malware installed. Usually through some innocent means or just clicking a link or what have you.

You must be a techno god, DaveS, because 99% of the users I encounter in my daily environment (a Midwestern university) still manage to get infected with multiple layers of security (I myself have 6 not including NoScript and ABP).

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Yeah, the Left was paranoid that Bush was going to start a war in Iran and North Korea. That never happened. So much for paranoia’s always coming true.

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Just because Bush wasn’t a bad guy doesn’t mean that Obama isn’t, or that no future president ever will be. They’re two entirely different people who’s lives have been shaped by divergent forces.

FloatingRock on July 31, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Leave canopfor alone or you will be pay dearly. MOBY

katy on July 31, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Oh, come on, katy…just look at those socks.

guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Here…have some milk. And cookies.

guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 9:41 PM

guntotinglibertarian: What the h#ll,wheres my stinkin
cookies,and,(I’m kidding)haha:)

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Is El Guapo really El Guero?

TexasJew on July 31, 2009 at 9:48 PM

guntotinglibertarian: What the h#ll,wheres my stinkin
cookies,and,(I’m kidding)haha:)

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Do you want soft chocolate chip?

Or the ones with the litle sprinkles?

guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Windows 7 FTW!

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Win7 is nice, but what puts it so far about Vista for you?

DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Which ID are we talking about? Your IP address provided by your internet provider? The MAC address of your computer’s network card? The product ID of your copy of Windows?

By the way, if you format your computer to reinstall the operating system, that’s not government secure. You would want to get hold of a program that will write random 1s and 0s to your hard drive during a low-level format, to corrupt any lingering information that could be recovered. Such a thing is included in many multi-part utility programs like Norton Utilities.

Or, buy a new hard drive, and take your pick with the old one:

1. Shotgun
2. Train tracks
3. Thermite
4. Hydraulic press
5. Drill a hole, pour in sand, plug in

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 9:39 PM

I was talking about pc windows 7 ID. Someone already told me that the IP address wouldn’t change if did what I proposed. I already have a Norton Utilities program loaded so I’ll look into what you suggested.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM

There is an El Guero? I was deployed for many many moons. I dont know of this guy. For that matter, I dont know why everyone is asking why MB4 was banned. I thought he was ok. ?

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Yeah. Start by clicking the “X” in the upper right corner of your screen.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 7:56 PM

I dunno. I’m predisposed to think that unwarranted whiners are Mac users.

I might look over the ToS for the website tomorrow. This has me interested, and I studied internet law in school.

Sir Corky on July 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

I’m reasonably sure there would be Fourth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment complications there, but we’ll see.

Allah, do you really think they give a crap???

PaCadle on July 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

I apologized. That is more than Barry or Prof Gates could ever do.

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:47 PM

El Gaupo: You sir,are correct,btw,in this past year alone,
I jumped on about four very fine H/A crew members
for mis-interpretting their posts!

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

I wouldn’t agree to those terms if we had elected a Republican POTUS. Not into big brother government.

redridinghood on July 31, 2009 at 9:52 PM

first they came for the cars, and I didn’t want to give mine up…

….then they came for my guns…

…then they came for my 80 year old mother …

katy on July 31, 2009 at 9:18 PM

katy:

…then they came for my computer….
…then they came for my mind…..(just try’n to help)
—————————————-tee-hee:)

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Oh no! Let it be said right here, right now, it stops at the guns, well maybe the ammo actually.
They get em only from my cold dead fingers and I will do my best to make sure they have to crawl across a pile.

dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 9:52 PM

El Gaupo: You sir,are correct,btw,in this past year alone,
I jumped on about four very fine H/A crew members
for mis-interpretting their posts!

canopfor

Hey man, its all fun.

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:53 PM

I’m reasonably sure there would be Fourth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment complications there, but we’ll see.

The constitution is only for the law abiding.

JellyToast on July 31, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM

If you want to change your IP, just use a proxy server like the Paultards use to game net-polls.

TMK on July 31, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Win7 is nice, but what puts it so far about Vista for you?

DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM

It’s a working version of Vista.

I was talking about pc windows 7 ID. Someone already told me that the IP address wouldn’t change if did what I proposed. I already have a Norton Utilities program loaded so I’ll look into what you suggested.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Your IP can only change if your internet provider gives you dynamic IP access. Few do anymore.

As for your product ID, that really doesn’t mean much, because not only could you change it by installing a new or different copy of Windows, but there are specifically programs out there you can get to change it to an ID of your choosing. No, I’m not telling you where to get them, since they’re a violation of the Microsoft EULA.

And no, that ID is not included when you send an email. *ahem*

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 9:54 PM

More seriously, the part of the site that Glenn was on appears to only be for car dealers, not the general public.

melchitt on July 31, 2009 at 9:32 PM

If that is accurate, then that puts it into a different line of reasoning….. but why is that included in the online form (if that is what it is) for the person applying for the cash?. It would seem reasonable that the the general public and the dealer would have different application requirements.
That being said, even that seems a unnecessary invasion into the private business of a private citizen dealer.

What information needs to be obtained from the public for such a transaction?? It would seem that any specific information dealing with verifying the information would be done thru another government agency like the DMV. They would verify ownership through titling and registration numbers and VIN numbers etc.
Whats the point of obtaining the individuals computer files?

Itchee Dryback on July 31, 2009 at 9:55 PM

If you want to change your IP, just use a proxy server like the Paultards use to game net-polls.

TMK on July 31, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Plenty of software is out there that can resolve your originating IP, so that’s not a guarantee.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Do you want soft chocolate chip?

Or the ones with the litle sprinkles?
guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 9:49 PM

guntotinglibertarian: Me thinks chocolate chips!haha:)

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 9:55 PM

They get em only from my cold dead fingers and I will do my best to make sure they have to crawl across a pile.

dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 9:52 PM

How about, “They’ll get my 91 Saab 900 after they pry my leather wrapped steering wheel from my cold dead fingers!”

JellyToast on July 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Just because Bush wasn’t a bad guy doesn’t mean that Obama isn’t, or that no future president ever will be. They’re two entirely different people who’s lives have been shaped by divergent forces.

FloatingRock on July 31, 2009 at 9:48 PM

My point is that if you’re going to cry Nazism, you better have a pretty good reason to do so.

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM

And no, that ID is not included when you send an email. *ahem*

MadisonConservative

However, you can track down the domain and server IP that the email came from. A fellow conservative blogger did this after receiving death threats in the name of Allah from Al Rueters overseas.

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM

I’m just afraid the gubbmint can look through the little camera thingy on my laptop and see me blogging in my underwear.

guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Were I still in my 20′s or 30′s, maybe even 40′s, I’d be guarding against having my identity retrieved on the internet.

Unless present trends are reversed, this will not end well.

petefrt on July 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Hey man, its all fun.

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:53 PM

El Gaupo: Thats what it all about,I hope,hehe!:)

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Have two PC’s.
One for the government and one for you.
But seriously,,, we are talking about government software.
And we are talking Obama and we are talking a Democrat controlled congress, 30+ czars wanna be little Hitlers running around with no strings attached,, if they want to take over our PC’s I doubt just reinstalling software would do much. If they have your IP address, it can keep coming back. But again,,, all Obama would have to do is pick up the phone or tell one of his czars,, I want the best tracking/spy software you got put on as many American PC’s as we can. It would be done. Period. Forget your firewall,,, Obama doesn’t care about China and Iran, We are the enemy. We are the threat. If they really want our PC’s,, they will have them and we will never know it.

JellyToast on July 31, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they’ re not out to get me. /sarc

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 9:57 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Don’t wear any… Problem solved.

katy on July 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM

I’m just afraid the gubbmint can look through the little camera thingy on my laptop and see me blogging in my underwear.

guntotinglibertarian

I am wondering how y’all knew what kind of socks i was wearing!

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Oh no! Let it be said right here, right now, it stops at the guns, well maybe the ammo actually.
They get em only from my cold dead fingers and I will do my best to make sure they have to crawl across a pile.
dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 9:52 PM

dhunter: Amen on that,guns that is!:)

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Kimberly Guilfoyle. Oooh.

Jaibones on July 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM

However, you can track down the domain and server IP that the email came from. A fellow conservative blogger did this after receiving death threats in the name of Allah from Al Rueters overseas.

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM

I knew that.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM

dhunter: Amen on that,guns that is!:)

canopfor

What Admiral stated: To invade America would be foolish. There would be a gun behind every blade of grass.?

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM

I want to know who all the idiots are that are falling for this C4C socialist crap trap.

katy on July 31, 2009 at 10:02 PM

There is an El Guero? I was deployed for many many moons. I dont know of this guy. For that matter, I dont know why everyone is asking why MB4 was banned. I thought he was ok. ?
El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Sorry – just one of my lame Border jokes.
Yes, MB4 was banned by Ed, it appears, for going a little off on a stupid idiotic minor post about Michael Jackson.
We used to be teammates in last year’s “How screwed up is John McCain?” contest. I did vote for the old useless bastard, but, like millions of other conservatives, I had to wear a clothespin on my nose at the voting booth.
MB4 was a bitter but entertaining fellow, and I believe he may have sat out the election.

TexasJew on July 31, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Dinner time! Gotta run.

Lesson of the debate: DONT CONSENT TO ANY GOV’T MONITERING UNLESS YOU ARE AT WORK AND WORK FOR THE GOV’T!

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 10:02 PM

However, you can track down the domain and server IP that the email came from. A fellow conservative blogger did this after receiving death threats in the name of Allah from Al Rueters overseas.

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM

If it’s from an internet provider’s range, that’s as far as you can get usually.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 10:02 PM

My point is that if you’re going to cry Nazism, you better have a pretty good reason to do so.

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Well, terryann, do remember that Nazi was short for “National Socialist Party”

And remember, too that the Germans voted Hitler in because of a collapsed economy, rampant unemployment, his message of hope and change and his ability to control his image.

Sounding more familiar?

guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they’ re not out to get me. /sarc

Americannodash on July 31, 2009

If Obama would order the execution of a perfectly good innocent 1988 BMW 535IS, do you think he would stop at taking over your PC?

JellyToast on July 31, 2009 at 10:03 PM

I first posted this Glenn Beck report as “off topic” on another thread at 5:23PM. and promised I’d post a VIDEO LINK when I found it FNC Glenn Beck show re: Gov’t Takeover of Your Computer. And it’s all completely legal. See for yourself.
.
This is the relevant portion of their Privacy Act & Security Statement:

“This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected and disclosed…”

.
I suppose by tomorrow the blind believers in Obama will call it just another urban legend/conspiracy theory. Whatever…

NightmareOnKStreet on July 31, 2009 at 10:03 PM

MB4 YAR!!!

TMK on July 31, 2009 at 8:57 PM

FREE MB4!!!

FloatingRock on July 31, 2009 at 10:04 PM

What Admiral stated: To invade America would be foolish. There would be a gun behind every blade of grass.?

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Yamamoto

guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 10:04 PM

What Admiral stated: To invade America would be foolish. There would be a gun behind every blade of grass.?
El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Yamamoto.

TexasJew on July 31, 2009 at 10:04 PM

We used to be teammates in last year’s “How screwed up is John McCain?” contest. I did vote for the old useless bastard, but, like millions of other conservatives, I had to wear a clothespin on my nose at the voting booth.
MB4 was a bitter but entertaining fellow, and I believe he may have sat out the election.

TexasJew

McCain (and the MSM propping him up for failure) is the reason Obama won.

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Given that the cost in bad press will grossly outweigh whatever benefit they’ll get from checking out your digital porn collection, it’s almost impossible to believe that this is what it looks like. But like I say, we’ll see.

Lots of Jews never believed there was any reason to flee Germany, either. Or the stories about the soap and the tattooed-skin lampshades.

disa on July 31, 2009 at 10:04 PM

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Dependent on the number of packets. Keep your packets transferred as limited as possible to limit the possibility of someone else being able to track them, and you should be fine as a casual browser. Only troublesome web crackers should attract counter-measures.

TMK on July 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM

The crack about Germany at the beginning. That was also what last week’s lederhosen stunt was about, evidently.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:05 PM

I think Beck said on O’Reilly earlier this week that the lederhosen bit was just “part of a trilogy” of Germanic devices. Today evidently completed that? I know you saw the 2nd one on MM’s day.

Also, Guilfoyle had very little notice before appearing on today’s show. I doubt he checked things that much, he said it was a tip he had just received. I think Kimmy got called at 4 to be on right at 5.

I_C on July 31, 2009 at 10:06 PM

I want to know who all the idiots are that are falling for this C4C socialist crap trap.

katy on July 31, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Evidently so does big government they just figured out a way to do it!

dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 10:06 PM

McCain (and the MSM propping him up for failure) is the reason Obama won.

O handsome one, their Story of O played a big part in pushing the messiah. Thier refusal to do some digging on their candidate helped as well. Remember when Axelrod said that Bill Ayers was just some neighbor whose kids went to school with Obama’s girls?

disa on July 31, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Evidently so does big government they just figured out a way to do it!

dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Why though? Why are they on the hit list?

katy on July 31, 2009 at 10:08 PM

I am wondering how y’all knew what kind of socks i was wearing!

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM

You didn’t read the Hot Air terms of use, did you?

myrenovations on July 31, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Why mince words or wonderment? It says what it says and it means what it says.
“Government is the problem.”, as a wise man once said not so long ago when government was much smaller and it’s power rather puny by comparison. GB has been onto something for some time now: there are people who are using the massive firepower of today’s federal government against a rather fat and lazy populace who don’t think “it” could happen here.
Lederhosen, anyone?

Randy

williars on July 31, 2009 at 10:09 PM

As for your product ID, that really doesn’t mean much, because not only could you change it by installing a new or different copy of Windows, but there are specifically programs out there you can get to change it to an ID of your choosing. No, I’m not telling you where to get them, since they’re a violation of the Microsoft EULA. MadisonConservative

Plus, the only people who ever see that are Microsoft when they authenticate for updates, etc. Also, in Win7 you can change the ID at your leisure… as long as its an actual product key.

DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 10:09 PM

the Germans voted Hitler in because of a collapsed economy, rampant unemployment, his message of hope and change and his ability to control his image.

Sounding more familiar?

guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Americans also voted for Reagan for the same reasons. So are saying you can see similarities between Reagan and Hitler?

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 10:10 PM

I was talking about pc windows 7 ID. Someone already told me that the IP address wouldn’t change if did what I proposed. I already have a Norton Utilities program loaded so I’ll look into what you suggested.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Which Windows 7 “ID” are you talking about? Your login name? That goes away when you reformat your drive, reinstall, and recreate your account. If you are talking about your MAC address, that is tied to your network card (may not be an actual card, may be built into the motherboard) and generally doesnt change (although some of us have cards we CAN change the MAC address :p). Depending on your ISP and network setup, your IP can be changed easly enough by leaving your system off for 24-72 hours. When you turn it back on, it aquires a new IP from the pool.

Of course, there are tons of “ID’s” that can be pulled from a system, serial numbers, CPU IDs, etc. Depends on what you are wanting to hide.

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 10:11 PM

I just think this is the new standard by which the Obama administration wants to dictate terms of use for government websites thereby opening the door to allowing them the freedom to install, retrieve, or do practically anything they want as the ideas come to them later. I think since this is a new site that this was the initial setup that got this new warning first and they really didn’t expect anyone to notice or care. Sure it could be overly broad wording by a zealous government lawyer, but if so then it will be changed in record time. If, however, it is still the same a couple weeks later or it shows up at other government websites then I would say it was planned and not the actions of a zealot lawyer.

woodythesingingcowboy on July 31, 2009 at 10:11 PM

I’m not that concerned about the government looking at my email.
Hell, they own 40% of our income anyway,and that number is rising with this Congress and Administration.
We’re being sent out to the rice fields – and who gives a shit about the personal lives of starving peasants…

TexasJew on July 31, 2009 at 10:11 PM

dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 9:52 PM

I would be happy to give them all my ammo… they can have it one bullet (or 3 depending on which gun) at a time. Ill even send them ‘air mail’ :p

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 10:14 PM

What Admiral stated: To invade America would be foolish. There would be a gun behind every blade of grass.?

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM

El Gaupo: Not sure on that one,have to look it up!:)

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Plus, the only people who ever see that are Microsoft when they authenticate for updates, etc. Also, in Win7 you can change the ID at your leisure… as long as its an actual product key.

DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 10:09 PM

And its not like the federal government can take over private companies… that would never happen…

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Americans also voted for Reagan for the same reasons. So are saying you can see similarities between Reagan and Hitler?
terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Well, Hitler first became widely known in Germany as the author of a very popular autibiographical book which centered on his personal political and philosophical awakening.
Wait – that sounds like someone else we know….

TexasJew on July 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Your IP can only change if your internet provider gives you dynamic IP access. Few do anymore.

As for your product ID, that really doesn’t mean much, because not only could you change it by installing a new or different copy of Windows, but there are specifically programs out there you can get to change it to an ID of your choosing. No, I’m not telling you where to get them, since they’re a violation of the Microsoft EULA.

And no, that ID is not included when you send an email. *ahem*

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 9:54 PM

When I first signed up with my internet provider a long time ago I remember them offering me a dynamic IP access. I wasn’t using my home computer often enough in the 90′s for a decent ROI. So, I refused then and have been kicking myself lately for doing that. I wasn’t using my computer at home as much as I do now. I might check what niece did about a month ago and look into a satellite feed. She said it was costly for the setup but service is clear and faster.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 10:16 PM

For that matter, I dont know why everyone is asking why MB4 was banned. I thought he was ok. ?

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Ed apparently banned MB4 a few weeks ago but so far Ed hasn’t responded to my inquiries asking for confirmation so I’m not positive. If true, it was seemingly done because Ed wasn’t familiar with MB4 and thought he was a common troll. Being that he isn’t a troll, he should be reinstated.

FloatingRock on July 31, 2009 at 10:16 PM

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM

I think it was Yamamoto. The same guy who said the by attacking America, they had woken a sleeping giant (does that mean Godzilla is just a metaphor of the nuclear powered United States?)

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Why would an admin. that disregards the rule of law even bother to put this warning on the site? Even if they remove it, it will be their new MO on any other new site.

Like if you want healthcare and need to access your new healthcare info, you’ll have to access a .gov site.

This was just a test to see the public reaction. They figure we’ll get used to it in the same way they’ve been wearing us out with everything else.

It’s how they numb out the public to the slow creep of liberty lost.

katy on July 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM

I had one somewhat Beckian experience with scary warnings from the federal government which you can all experience for yourself.

Go to: http://www.dotgov.gov/

Click on any tab at the bottom of the page (“security and privacy notice” or “Accessibility policy” or “About GSA”) and you get this warning:

Warning! Use of this site is restricted!

This computer system is for the use of the United States Government. Unauthorized access, or access which exceeds authorized access is punishable under 18 USC 1030.

I’m not going to risk being accused of a cybercrime for merely hitting the “agree” button just to find out what the GSA’s flipping policies are. They must have some super duper secrets that they’re hiding from us. Or they’re just a bunch of incompetent bureaucratic jackasses.

Buy Danish on July 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Ed apparently banned MB4 a few weeks ago but so far Ed hasn’t responded to my inquiries asking for confirmation so I’m not positive. If true, it was seemingly done because Ed wasn’t familiar with MB4 and thought he was a common troll. Being that he isn’t a troll, he should be reinstated.
FloatingRock on July 31, 2009 at 10:16 PM

I think Ed was mad at him for some cracks about Branson, Missouri..

TexasJew on July 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Why though? Why are they on the hit list?

katy on July 31, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Don’t know maybe just building a database for future elections would be the least nefarious reason. Didn’t Pinnochio recieve all kinds of online contributions with no security installed. Didn’t he build a data base profile of cell phone numbers by using ,what was it texting? to communicate something during his campaign. Information is power .
They have shown they have no problem rewarding constituents,unions, and punishing enemies, Sarah, Joe the Plumber, and Crowley if it hadn’t backfired!
I preferr to err on the side of caution to the point of being able to go off the grid if I need to. Cash is king in the spread the wealth age. Cash, gold , guns, ammo. Now I sound like a nut right? I Suppose the lefties got me pegged now! HA!

dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM

If Obama would order the execution of a perfectly good innocent 1988 BMW 535IS, do you think he would stop at taking over your PC?

JellyToast on July 31, 2009 at 10:03 PM

That good because I’ll just give them my old Commodore 64 hidden away in the attic.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM

our IP can only change if your internet provider gives you dynamic IP access. Few do anymore.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Actually, most do. It is how they can oversell their bandwidth. An ISP has a limited number of IP address available to them. If they give everyone a static IP, then they are more limited on the number of customers they can have. However, by using DHCP and having a dynamically assigned IP address, they can sell more ‘slots’ than they have IP address for because as a general rule, most users are not on 24/7.

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM

You’re all assuming a competent government here.
These bastards are corrupt and stupid and that’s why they are in government. There’s no mastermind at work here, just a bunch of dangerous and crappy little lying thieves.

TexasJew on July 31, 2009 at 10:22 PM

dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM

I guess many of us will be off the grid soon. I understand they don’t have lot of ammenities in the camps.

katy on July 31, 2009 at 10:22 PM

katy on July 31, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Ha no government camps for me I had enough camping with the boy scouts!

dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 10:25 PM

That good because I’ll just give them my old Commodore 64 hidden away in the attic.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Ill take it if you don’t want it. No need to let “the won” destroy it :)

I still have mine and even have the big 10mb hard drive for it. :) I was such a geek.

Aw hell, what do I mean was. I have 14 flavors of linux, 4 windows flavors on this system alone, along with tons of emulators and several really old systems in the spare room that I still use on occasion (still have much love for my Amiga, C64, and MacSE)

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM

I am wondering how y’all knew what kind of socks i was wearing!

El Guapo on July 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM
You didn’t read the Hot Air terms of use, did you?

myrenovations on July 31, 2009 at 10:08 PM

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margarita, meet laptop. thanks.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Texas Jew @ 10:22

This isn’t an English comedy. We’re assuming a “powerful” government in the hands of “a bunch of dangerous and crappy little lying thieves” who believe they are the “mastermind”.
Randy

williars on July 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Americans also voted for Reagan for the same reasons. So are saying you can see similarities between Reagan and Hitler?

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Well, Reagan promised to get the government out of the way. Not that government was the answer.

Again, take the time to educate yourself. You will be glad you did.

Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM

I guess many of us will be off the grid soon. I understand they don’t have lot of ammenities in the camps.

katy on July 31, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Yeah that is what I hear. The camps will have condiments.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM

This was MB4′s last post at HotAir:

I think you are being sarcastic, as I would surmise that you know that was exactly what he was doing.

MB4 on July 7, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Several people that were involved in the thread seem certain he was banned, but Ed doesn’t specifically say so.

You know what the real value of these threads is: Troll self-exposure…

Ed Morrissey on July 7, 2009 at 9:15 PM

I can not believe that you just banned MB4.

Joe Bloggs on July 7, 2009 at 9:27 PM

I can’t believe it either.

FloatingRock on July 31, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Several people that were involved in the thread seem certain he was banned, but Ed doesn’t specifically say so.

…But others think that some posts were deleted from that thread, and perhaps one of them are what lead some people to be so certain he was banned.

FloatingRock on July 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I threw caution to the wind and went to cars.gov and cannot find the popup GB describes.

(By the way, I am a TRAINED PROFESSIONAL. Do not try this at home)

kurtzz3 on July 31, 2009 at 10:40 PM

And its not like the federal government can take over private companies… that would never happen…

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM

You miss my point… there is nothing linking your windows product ID to anything you do, other than with respect to your interactions with MS itself. Even if the government had your product ID, there is absolutely nothing interesting that they could do with it.

DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Yeah that is what I hear. The camps will have condiments.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Catchup for the Soylent Green? Yummy :)

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 10:43 PM

dude.

(blushing. furiously.)

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Hot.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Get a room!

Kjeil on July 31, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Well, Reagan promised to get the government out of the way. Not that government was the answer.

Again, take the time to educate yourself. You will be glad you did.

Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM

She means well in her own mysterious way. BTW, I found her picture on twitter the other day, she is a very pretty lady.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 10:47 PM

I got out of stocks just in time and went to annuities.
Now Big Insurance is becoming the target so maybe I should move to Junk Yards since Clunkers are going to become scarce?

dhunters junkyard:
we buy clunkers and sell clunker parts.
Here the road to freedom starts!
Have complete undamaged nongovernment stash
We don’t take checks or credit bring plenty of cash!

Ring bell don’t cross the gate! Gate sighted in for a .308.
Don’t worry bout the dog but watch out for the wife the dogs friendly, but your in the wifes sights!

dhunter on July 31, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Catchup for the Soylent Green? Yummy :)

Wolftech on July 31, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Don’t give away the secret sauce formula whatever you do.

.. Oh wait, you just did……..

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 10:51 PM

She means well in her own mysterious way. BTW, I found her picture on twitter the other day, she is a very pretty lady.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 10:47 PM

So does Meggie Mac, as AP says.

Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2009 at 10:59 PM

WOLVERINES!

TheSitRep on July 31, 2009 at 11:05 PM

So does Meggie Mac, as AP says.

Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Yes, Meghan McCain is very pretty too.

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Yes, Meghan McCain is very pretty too.

Haha. I meant, she supposedly means well. Ie be nice b/c lack of facts doesn’t equate to bad intentions.

Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2009 at 11:09 PM

I had to listen to irritating ding a lings on CNN panel today at McDonalds. One said the C4C program obviously worked because it ran out of money. arrrghhh! Not a conservative in the group.

Now on to scanning my computer for trojans, malware and cookies.

Good job Barry!

*spit*

aikidoka on July 31, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Why would an admin. that disregards the rule of law even bother to put this warning on the site? Even if they remove it, it will be their new MO on any other new site.

katy on July 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM

They want only those who are devoted to their cause to benefit from the program. Those dealers who are willing to open up their hearts and hard drives to Obama get the benefit.

We need to determine which companies betrayed America by embracing Obama and punish them once the Democrats lose power. And by “punish them”, I mean put them right out of business by any means necessary.

Buddahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 11:17 PM

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