Glenn Beck: Cash For Clunkers may be a government scheme to take over your computer

posted at 7:46 pm on July 31, 2009 by Allahpundit

Why the feds would target something this supposedly nefarious at a tiny niche of people who want to trade in their gas-guzzlers is as unclear to me as why they’d tell you they’re doing it instead of doing it surreptitiously, as would be the case if GB’s allusion to Nazism near the beginning were accurate. I’m looking forward to hearing more on Monday, though, especially from Guilfoyle about how agreeing to the website’s terms of use grants the state a perfectly legal license to do whatever it wants with your computer. I’m reasonably sure there would be Fourth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment complications there, but we’ll see. As for the terms of use themselves, any techies willing and able to enlighten about how unorthodox this sort of thing is? I’m guessing that some moron government lawyer somewhere was trying to deter hacking and either drafted the language overbroadly or adapted it from some private site without thinking how it would read coming from a .gov domain. Given that the cost in bad press will grossly outweigh whatever benefit they’ll get from checking out your digital porn collection, it’s almost impossible to believe that this is what it looks like. But like I say, we’ll see.

On a more serious note, C4C is getting a new fuel injection of $2 billion assuming that the Senate okays it next week. Minor footnotes: The program really won’t do that much to help carmakers; the carmarkers it does help are more likely to be foreign than American; and the many, many market inefficiencies it might cause makes it practically a textbook illustration of what’s wrong with Obamanomics. But other than that, it handles like a dream.

Update: Reader Skywise offers a possible explanation for the C4C terms of use. He’s probably right, although the website should have been a lot clearer about the purpose.


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Can I trade my clunker for an upgraded blogger?

This crap’s getting so boring.

Same old, same old. Maybe it’s time to head back to Dredge, WND, NewsMax, etc… Anywhere we can get a story without an axe to grind.

nationspatriotcom on July 31, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Hmmm, I think I’ll take a pass on that website. Thanks but no thanks..

Conservalicious on July 31, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Lately Beck has proved that we need to keep him under heavy surveillance – and be ready to hit him with the tranquilizer darts just in case.

perroviejo on July 31, 2009 at 7:53 PM

nationspatriotcom on July 31, 2009 at 7:49 PM

MOBY

William Amos on July 31, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I’m guessing that some moron government lawyer somewhere was trying to deter hacking and either drafted the language overbroadly or adapted it from some private site without thinking how it would read coming from a .gov domain.

Reasonable assumption, but big entities inserting and abusing that kind of stuff is a serious problem. Paypal, for example, has language in their ToS that basically allows them to remove money from whatever bank accounts you verify with them, without any warning or permission from you. Now, did they abuse this bit? Well, it certainly seems that way.

There is one big proviso, and it’s actually pretty pathetic: a good deal of older judges don’t recognize the legal standing of ToS, ToA, and other such contracts included on websites. This is more due to limited knowledge of technology, but it’s actually made quite a difference in some cases.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 7:55 PM

In laws closed on their SECOND vehicle from Cash for Clunkers. This makes me feel sick.

But, they are giving us their Jetta and we get to sell our volvo to pay on our college loans, so, it’s sort of a draw.

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Maybe it’s time to head back to Dredge, WND, NewsMax, etc…

Yeah, definitely head over to WND. They seem to be taking that “Is Obama the antichrist?” video I posted the other day semi-seriously.

But then, there’s me grinding my axe again.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Can I trade my clunker for an upgraded blogger?

nationspatriotcom on July 31, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Yeah. Start by clicking the “X” in the upper right corner of your screen.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 7:56 PM

nationspatriotcom on July 31, 2009 at 7:49 PM

buh bye

Anyway….

the many, many market inefficiencies it might cause makes it practically a textbook illustration of what’s wrong with Obamanomics.

If the gubmint cannot handle something this straightforward, I certainly do not want them planning the best health care for me.

Wake up call. Hope people hear it.

tru2tx on July 31, 2009 at 7:56 PM

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Dr Evil on July 31, 2009 at 7:57 PM

outweigh whatever benefit they’ll get from checking out your digital porn collection

Wait how do you know about my porn collection.

Greed on July 31, 2009 at 7:57 PM

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 7:55 PM

I asked you a question on twitter but, alas, you ignore me there. :o(

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 7:57 PM

I read that McCain is talking about a filibuster.

Opposition already is mounting in the Senate.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., said by Twitter that extending the program with taxpayer money isn’t affordable.

“Idea was to prime the pump, not subsidize auto purchases forever,” she wrote.

The program was launched last week and has been publicized heavily by automakers and dealers. The $1 billion was supposed to last four months, but apparently, it took only a week to exhaust the funds.

Called the Car Allowance Rebate System, or CARS, the program is designed to help the economy and the environment by spurring new car sales. Car owners can receive federal subsidies of up to $4,500 for trading in their old cars for new ones that achieve significantly higher gas mileage.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said the new money for the program would come from funds approved earlier in the year as part of an economic stimulus bill.

But Senate Republicans are threatening to use delay tactics to kill the bill.

A spokeswoman for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told FOX News that he rival will object to the bill next week, even mounting a filibuster.

“I not only wouldn’t vote for the extra $2 billion, I was opposed to the initial billion,” McCain told FOX News Radio.

McCain marveled at how recovery funds are being used to subsidize the domestic auto industry.

“It’s really an incredible process that we’ve gone through where recovery money that is supposed to be used in order to keep people in their homes and help the economy recover, we’re now again bailing out the automobile corporations, two of which we own,”he said. “It’s remarkable.”

McCain predicted that the program’s flaws will soon be exposed.

“Within a few weeks, we will see that this process was abused by speculators and people who took advantage of what is basically a huge government subsidy of corporations that they already own,” he said.

But Obama pointed out Friday that skeptics were unsure just a few weeks ago that the program would succeed.

Obama is bragging that he actually managed to give money away…like that is hard or something.

Terrye on July 31, 2009 at 7:58 PM

I’m guessing that some moron government lawyer somewhere was trying to deter hacking and either drafted the language overbroadly or adapted it from some private site without thinking how it would read coming from a .gov domain.

For an avowed pessimist, you sure know how to find optimism in the strangest places… like D.C. Beck has been laying out a very serious case over the last week and a half. This is just one part. When taking all the info., he’s researched into account, I’m not nearly as optimistic as you are. But to each his own.

Weight of Glory on July 31, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Can I trade my clunker for an upgraded blogger?

Yes, just hit ALT-F4. Instant upgrade.

Slublog on July 31, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Wake up call. Hope people hear it.

tru2tx on July 31, 2009 at 7:56 PM

It wont matter.

The very people who want nationalized hc are the same who hear the government say, “We’ll try to find some money somewhere to fund this,” and it never registers what that means. It’s always someone else who gets the pinch and they need the break…

plus, the libs are calling this a success. Go figure.

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Can I trade my clunker for an upgraded blogger?

nationspatriotcom on July 31, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Don’t rip on Allah unless it’s regarding a Palin thread.

portlandon on July 31, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Beck has been laying out a very serious case over the last week and a half.

The government Cash For Clunkers is a big trojan horse to gain access to people’s computers — and the government is actually telling people that via a little dialog box that pops up when they go to the site?

What’s wrong with this picture?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

I asked you a question on twitter but, alas, you ignore me there. :o(

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 7:57 PM

I’ve never seen a twitter from you. What’s your name there?

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Beck’s wrong…

Okay, here’s the deal.

The government cannot share data collected from you with any other entity.

This means, it can’t accept your information that you have a Yugo you want to trade in and then check against a third party database to look up info without violating laws.

UNLESS… said computer is a government computer.

So they made an agreement that if you go to this site, the government is going to treat you like government property.

Good? Well, in the sense that they got something done.

Bad? I’m 99% sure they’re not doing it for reasons Beck suggests… but if your ocmputer *is* government property… how long before the government gets the idea that… well… in the words of Spiccoli… “Well since you’re here and *I’m* here, doesn’t that make it *our* computer?”

Skywise on July 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM

GB’s allusion to Nazism near the beginning

WTF are you talking about?

Ronnie on July 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Don’t click on the site at home! It’s dangerous! You’ll die!

DaveS on July 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM

what is a MOBY?

Ris4victory on July 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM

What’s wrong with this picture?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Yup. As a singular event, I’d be able to brush it off as well.

Weight of Glory on July 31, 2009 at 8:04 PM

The government Cash For Clunkers is a big trojan horse to gain access to people’s computers — and the government is actually telling people that via a little dialog box that pops up when they go to the site?

What’s wrong with this picture?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Beck is a paranoid talking head. I feel sorry for Jonah Goldberg trying to to speak common sense to a paranoid.

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 8:04 PM

WTF are you talking about?

Ronnie on July 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM

The crack about Germany at the beginning. That was also what last week’s lederhosen stunt was about, evidently.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:05 PM

what is a MOBY?

Ris4victory on July 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM

A pop-culture musician who thinks because he can press two buttons on his casio keyboard that he’s “talented”.

Skywise on July 31, 2009 at 8:05 PM

I don’t think the government is interested in my naked dwarf standing on their heads while on horseback porn collection.

Well, if they’re into the humor of it, maybe.

More likely if they try to get past my firewalls what they’d be after is entry into my bank accounts and stuff like that. If people allow cap & tax, healthscare, and other obamanazi initiatives through I’m quite sure the gov’t will feel emboldened enough to just start taking what they want from our accounts without notice or explanation.

Spiritk9 on July 31, 2009 at 8:05 PM

I’ve never seen a twitter from you. What’s your name there?

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

dude.

(blushing. furiously.)

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

what is a MOBY?
Ris4victory on July 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM

During one of the presidential elections, musician Moby told his liberal fans to go onto conservative websites and pretend to be conservatives who hated Bush. His name became a nickname for posters who pretend to be conservatives, but are actually liberals trying to discredit conservatism.

Slublog on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

What’s wrong with this picture?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

In fairness, how many agreements like that are bypassed without being read every day on the entire internet? Your calculator would probably break. The same goes for software you install. How many people do you know that actually read the contract before hitting “next”?

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Beck is Fox News’ equivalent to Keith Olbermann. Paranoid.

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

dude.

(blushing. furiously.)

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Hot.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Beck’s wrong…

Okay, here’s the deal.

The government cannot share data collected from you with any other entity.

This means, it can’t accept your information that you have a Yugo you want to trade in and then check against a third party database to look up info without violating laws.

UNLESS… said computer is a government computer.

Skywise on July 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM

So losing government computers never happens? Seems the powers that be lose these damned things all the time. Sandy Berger’s pants hold alot of information that was never suppose to leave the national archives. The FBI files that suddenly showed up in the living quarters at the white house, etc. etc. If the Government has it, somebody can hack it, find it, steal it, & use it.

This is a big info grab by the Obamacons. This is NOT something they can blame on Bush. This CARS sight belongs solely to Obama.

portlandon on July 31, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Guilfoyle may be correct about the legality of it but to say that they could then tap into or track your computer anytime they want afterward because of “malware and cookies”, does not necessarily follow. It’s possible, but the legal agreement itself doesn’t prove anything like that.

FloatingRock on July 31, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 7:57 PM

due comeuppance for you ignoring me!!
:D

blatantblue on July 31, 2009 at 8:09 PM

What’s wrong with this picture?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

OK, I’ll take a shot. Is it a blogger who hasn’t noticed that we have a president who openly admits that he wants to take over pretty much every bit of the private sector?

Ronnie on July 31, 2009 at 8:09 PM

During one of the presidential elections, musician Moby told his liberal fans to go onto conservative websites and pretend to be conservatives who hated Bush. His name became a nickname for posters who pretend to be conservatives, but are actually liberals trying to discredit conservatism.

Slublog on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

That too. :)

Skywise on July 31, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Slublog – thank you!!

p.s. your writing is spiffy, BTW – (that’s a compliment) tee

Ris4victory on July 31, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Terrye on July 31, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Problem is too many people think he is giving them money. Actually he took it from them then gave it back. And they like it! Wow, what a great favor he is doing us! What the heck is wrong with people?

boomer on July 31, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Guilfoyle may be correct about the legality of it but to say that they could then tap into or track your computer anytime they want afterward because of “malware and cookies”, does not necessarily follow. It’s possible, but the legal agreement itself doesn’t prove anything like that.

Yeah, I’d also like to know the case law on whether government can condition access to a federal program on consenting to be searched. You certainly can consent to be searched under the Fourth Amendment, but is it really consent if you’re forced to pay a penalty for not consenting?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Skywise on July 31, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Well, your definition was pretty spot-on, although you neglected to mention that sometimes he likes to drone/whisper into a microphone and call it ‘singing.’

Slublog on July 31, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Beck is such a freak. He also said Obama hates white people.

lexhamfox on July 31, 2009 at 8:11 PM

It would seem to me that if the government wanted to do something like this, they would try to give everyone some sort of a rebate, a smaller one maybe, but something that would attract more people.

I dunno. I like Beck, but sometimes his imagination runs away with him.

It would be interesting however, to hear the views of some of the lefties who were so worried that the government would listen in on their conversations to their best friend Omar from Pakistan.

Terrye on July 31, 2009 at 8:12 PM

OK, I’ll take a shot. Is it a blogger who hasn’t noticed that we have a president who openly admits that he wants to take over pretty much every bit of the private sector?

He openly admitted he wanted to take over the entire private sector? Ed must have blogged that one because I missed it.

The fiercest Obama haters play this game all the time: He did X, and X is just a few degrees removed from Y, therefore he’s probably secretly planning to do Y. He took over General Motors, just like Hitler nationalized industries before World War II, so he’s probably planning to put people in camps.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:13 PM

What’s wrong with this picture?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Nothing. The government’s expanding power and control over our lives have often come with prior notification. Congress is looking to pass ObamaCare, with all of its life-controlling measures in tact. Reading the legislation gives you notification of what they’re looking to do.

amerpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Beck is a super freak & a geek….I happen to like super freaks & geeks……freaky huh? Obama is a cracker hater, BTW – if we can have self hating Jews, we can have self hating mulattos….

Ris4victory on July 31, 2009 at 8:14 PM

due comeuppance for you ignoring me!!
:D

blatantblue on July 31, 2009 at 8:09 PM

hey, now…when have I ignored you?

Hot.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Well, we (women) try not to die or anything when we have a couple of kids and are only 31. Yeah, I said it. I’m 31 (that’s actually NOT as easy to say as I just boasted…ah…anyway…)

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:14 PM

boomer:

Well yeah, he gave it to them in a way. But then he also borrowed it and they will have to pay it back with interest.

This is sort of like buying a car on your credit card.

Cash incentives always work to get people to buy things, but the thing is it has a limited effect.

Terrye on July 31, 2009 at 8:15 PM

What’s wrong with this picture?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Zango (formerly 180 Solutions) transmits detailed information to advertisers about the Web sites which users visit. It also alters HTTP requests for affiliate advertisements linked from a Web site, so that the advertisements make unearned profit for the 180 Solutions company. It opens pop-up ads that cover over the Web sites of competing companies (as seen in their Zango End User License Agreement)

What’s wrong with the picture? Your interwebs licence is either expired or Canadian.

TMK on July 31, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Why the feds would target something this supposedly nefarious at a tiny niche of people who want to trade in their gas-guzzlers is… unclear to me

If the Dems get their way we’ll all be logging on to government Web sites for health care related issues in the future… trial run?

IU_Conservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:15 PM

The government’s expanding power and control over our lives have often come with prior notification. Congress is looking to pass ObamaCare, with all of its life-controlling measures in tact. Reading the legislation gives you notification of what they’re looking to do.

And the files they’re most eager to peek at belong to … owners of gas-guzzlers?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Well, we (women) try not to die or anything when we have a couple of kids and are only 31. Yeah, I said it. I’m 31 (that’s actually NOT as easy to say as I just boasted…ah…anyway…)

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Oh damn! Honey, come with me and remember what it’s like to be 26!

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Didn’t conservatives laugh when Olbermann and friends accused Bush of being some Nazi Fascist that was going to invade Iran and every other country. Guess what? Bush didn’t invade Iran. They were being paranoid. So how does it help conservatives to accuse Obama being some Nazi fascist? It just makes us look bad.

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 8:16 PM

The crack about Germany at the beginning. That was also what last week’s lederhosen stunt was about, evidently.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Yeah. Evidently. I remember reading about how Hitler’s Cash for Klunkers ran out of Marks after just four days. Clearly Glenn thinks Obama is setting us up a holocaust.

Ronnie on July 31, 2009 at 8:16 PM

The government Cash For Clunkers is a big trojan horse to gain access to people’s computers — and the government is actually telling people that via a little dialog box that pops up when they go to the site?

What’s wrong with this picture?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Do we really need any more symtoms to know we’re ill? You have to admit that this is one of the most brillant takeover plans ever.

Please find the poison pill.

HoustonRight on July 31, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Allahpundit:

I think some people just see Obama as such an evil person that they assume he is up to some really bad stuff.

I tend to think he is a little man with a big ego and a big job.

Terrye on July 31, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Uh, what?

—-

If the government wanted to take over people’s computers, keyword: pron. People never read agreements when feeding an addition.

Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Is this real? Sounds like as phishing expedition to me or some other scam. Lots of scams out there.

MaiDee on July 31, 2009 at 8:17 PM

MOBY

William Amos on July 31, 2009 at 7:53 PM

You’ve been on this site for nearly as many (years) as I have…

You know Damn well it’s gone downhill. Some of the people posting here are from that startup, dominating Conservative juggernaut… and then Michelle stopped posting, and it’s been taken over by the “Almighty” AP.

Of course, it’s now gained some credibility back with Ed; but I’m sick of his “eat your own” nonsense.

Check for yourself, AP; I’ve been here nearly as long as you have. Mock me all you will; but you can’t help falling over yourself in Ranting (against crap) instead of Advocating a cause with a purpose.

Then again, it’s all about the numbers, right? Why else do you keep posting the “Birther” stories you ridicule?

Was the purpose of this to take a shot at Beck (your usual), disguised as the “Obligatory Peek at Guilfoyle”, or to actually let us know about the Government’s Intrusion into our personal lives, which you just touch on?
Yeah, you mention C4C and “Is anyone out there able to understand this?”, but where’s the same, in-depth analysis you offer on most other threads NOT “soiled” by Glenn Beck covering it? It’s a sad thing when your posting on a story about something he covers is (generally) noticeably condescending.

My point is/was: I’d rather read something other than the same tired stories.

And “tru2tx”… I ain’t goin’ anywhere. I’m not trolling; I’ll just come back when the page refreshes and the “bash Beck, Palin, Birther” stories disappear and are replaced with stories with some actual Professionalism to them.

Or, I’ll just focus on Ed’s stuff. =]

nationspatriotcom on July 31, 2009 at 8:18 PM

I think Beck is a nut on most days, but you can’t get around the fact that the language on that site is scary as hell. I sure wouldn’t click on it.

IU_Conservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:18 PM

And the files they’re most eager to peek at belong to … owners of gas-guzzlers?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Or perhaps they feel like people who take the government money might owe them something in the future….the conspiracies can lead anywhere.

genso on July 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Yeah, definitely head over to WND. They seem to be taking that “Is Obama the antichrist?” video I posted the other day semi-seriously.

But then, there’s me grinding my axe again.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 7:56 PM

He does have a point AP. You present the story as too impossibly insane to be anything but a mistake, while there it is in writing. It’s so easy to do something of this nature and then later claim oops, we made a mistake. “It’s better to ask for forgiveness than permission” is not a SOP we can afford to allow the government to get away with.

DFCtomm on July 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Can I trade my clunker for an upgraded blogger?

This crap’s getting so boring.

Same old, same old. Maybe it’s time to head back to Dredge, WND, NewsMax, etc… Anywhere we can get a story without an axe to grind.

nationspatriotcom on July 31, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Actually, what is boring is the incessant attempts by the liberal Democrats to ignore the Constitution and set up a totalitarian state. That is what is boring. They should all be run out on rails.

Theophile on July 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM

He took over General Motors, just like Hitler nationalized industries

Honestly, that’s enough for me. I don’t need to project images of camps to convince me that Obama, as well as those in Congress from both parties, are not interested in functioning under our Constitution. Again, that’s enough for me. But we all draw our own lines in our own times.

Weight of Glory on July 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Here’s the real issue. If one of our own commenters — namely, Skywise — could provide an alternative explanation for the C4C language within 20 minutes of this being posted, couldn’t/shouldn’t a guy with millions of viewers have dug that up before going to air with this and maybe tossed it in there as a “or, here’s a more innocent possibility” explanation?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Terrye on July 31, 2009 at 8:15 PM

I just don’t look a tax money that way. Even if it’s borrowed and I have to pay it back. They are taking money from MY paycheck that I earn that is MINE. Then they come up with some program and “give” me money and pretend they are doing me a favor. We’d all be better off in the first place if they only took what they really needed and left the rest for us to spend as we see fit. Then we wouldn’t need these stupid programs to encourage people to spend money because they would have enough to spend to keep things going in the first place.

boomer on July 31, 2009 at 8:20 PM

I’m telling you………..

………. Obama and friends are building their database.

Seven Percent Solution on July 31, 2009 at 8:20 PM

It’s just legal mumbo jumbo, nothing more. If you think the government is going through your computer, they are not, they are just covering their asses.

Glenn Beck needs to settle down, I think he is going to give himself a heart attack with all of these paranoia pieces.

Exit question:
“If Bush was still President, would the left erupt in madness?”

“OMG, FIRST OUR PHONES, NOW OUR COMPUTERS, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!”

DanStark on July 31, 2009 at 8:20 PM

I’m looking forward to hearing more on Monday, though, especially from Guilfoyle about how agreeing to the website’s terms of use grants the state a perfectly legal license to do whatever it wants with your computer.

I worked for an ISP during the Clinton years. I don’t put anything passed them. “Carnivore”

I’m reasonably sure there would be Fourth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment complications there, but we’ll see.

If you wave your rights you wave your rights. Let a police officer search your car and then try asking for a warrant.

Yeah, when I saw the crowbar come out I told them to stop. That’s when the gun got unlatched and I took a step back.

- The Cat

MirCat on July 31, 2009 at 8:20 PM

And the files they’re most eager to peek at belong to … owners of gas-guzzlers?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Why not? Are gas-guzzlers a class of people that have no valuable information on their computers? Is it illegal to have both information the government may want and own a gas guzzler?

I wouldn’t be surprised if we found other government websites with the same policy.

It’s a foot in the door. “What are you concerned about with this new legislation that allows us to search your computer without warrant? Why, it’s been in effect on the CARS website for months/years, and we didn’t violate your trust then, did we?”

Besides, what self-respecting libertarian brushes off the government being able to search anything and everything on your personal computer?

amerpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Your porn collection? Ha. More like your politics collection.

Kataklysmic on July 31, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Amazing.

And Kimberly is smokin’ hot.

I wanna see what’s on her computer.

guntotinglibertarian on July 31, 2009 at 8:21 PM

o/t I am listening to Hugh Hewitt, his congressman, Rep. Campbell was on the show. All the representatives got a letter from VP Biden today listing the stimulus projects going on in their district. Rep. Campbell said at the top of his list is 2.5 millions dollars for the greening of a government building that is scheduled to be razed. Good stuff.

Cindy Munford on July 31, 2009 at 8:22 PM

What the hell is going on in my country?

jimmy2shoes on July 31, 2009 at 8:22 PM

If you think the government is going through your computer, they are not, they are just covering their asses.

DanStark on July 31, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Why are they covering? Why cover? CYA is for when they do. Otherwise cover for what exactly?

- The Cat

MirCat on July 31, 2009 at 8:22 PM

So, is this only for PC’s? Or, for MACs? How would clicking on this link allow them into your computer exactly? And, is this for all car buyers or the dealer themselves?

Sorry if this has been asked.

Oh damn! Honey, come with me and remember what it’s like to be 26!

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Actually, 26 was a bad year. Could we shoot for 24-25? Golden.

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

He openly admitted he wanted to take over the entire private sector? Ed must have blogged that one because I missed it.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Yeah, cause if it’s not on Hot Air, it didn’t happen. Or maybe I just watched him campaign and push through legislation designed to control health care, banking, the auto industry, the energy industry, the stock market, Cheerios ….

This is the first president ever who has told us exactly what he’s going to do to F up America .. and he’s doing it.

But, you know, benefit of the doubt on this one.

Ronnie on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Skywise on July 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM

It wouldn’t take much for legislation to be drafted that allows the government to silently install a keylogger under the guise of national security, if they can label your PC federal property.

Now, such legislation would obviously be crucified. However, it’s still a potential scenario.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

If you wave your rights you wave your rights. Let a police officer search your car and then try asking for a warrant.

That was my point in the comment above. Is it a legal waiver if the state is threatening to deny you access to a federal program if you don’t waive those rights? I.e., if the feds declared tomorrow that Medicare benefits would be contingent upon waiver of your First Amendment rights, would that be constitutional? Not sure.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

First they came for the subsidized auto shoppers…

exception on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Ya know,I can check out a US Military official DOD website,
and it won’t come up with all the hoopla that Beck talks
about for the clunker website!!

canopfor on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM

All do respect to Skywise, but you’re assuming that an anonymous commenter (like myself) is accurate. Would you take someone’s medical advice through here? Then why are you taking their legal consultation?

For all we know, Beck may’ve talked with corporate counsel and they couldn’t find a reasonable explanation. Beck may not have considered consulting an anonymous commenter whose credentials haven’t been established in the least.

amerpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Actually, 26 was a bad year. Could we shoot for 24-25? Golden.

Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

An older woman pretending to be a younger woman?

Hell, let’s skip the night out, and just go back to my place for drinks and infidelity.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Beck is Fox News’ equivalent to Keith Olbermann. Paranoid.

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM

What are you doing?

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 8:26 PM

That was my point in the comment above. Is it a legal waiver if the state is threatening to deny you access to a federal program if you don’t waive those rights? I.e., if the feds declared tomorrow that Medicare benefits would be contingent upon waiver of your First Amendment rights, would that be constitutional? Not sure.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Ah missed that.

Ya know, I don’t think it’s ever come up; illegally being asked to wave your rights. Is that even a thing in the public or private sector?

- The Cat

MirCat on July 31, 2009 at 8:26 PM

I.e., if the feds declared tomorrow that Medicare benefits would be contingent upon waiver of your First Amendment rights, would that be constitutional? Not sure.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Probably not, because in a court, one could argue that the agreement puts duress on the citizen. It would be much more difficult to argue that the citizen was under duress because they couldn’t access a car-for-cash program.

MadisonConservative on July 31, 2009 at 8:27 PM

What are you doing?

Americannodash on July 31, 2009 at 8:26 PM

What?

terryannonline on July 31, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Well, we (women) try not to die or anything when we have a couple of kids and are only 31. Yeah, I said it. I’m 31 (that’s actually NOT as easy to say as I just boasted…ah…anyway…)
Mommypundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:14 PM

figures. Your Twitter photo is youthful and asthetically pleasing
makes sense

My family member did a cash clunk

am I being watched now

blatantblue on July 31, 2009 at 8:27 PM

The government cannot share data collected from you with any other entity.

Skywise on July 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM

So this is standard language on any site that collects campaign contributions that are later reported to the government and published?

I think not.

Ronnie on July 31, 2009 at 8:27 PM

I.e., if the feds declared tomorrow that Medicare benefits would be contingent upon waiver of your First Amendment rights, would that be constitutional? Not sure.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Who, in this environment with “standing,” would call them on a constitutional question?

genso on July 31, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Beck is Fox News’ equivalent to Keith Olbermann. Paranoid.

Out.of.your.mind.

Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2009 at 8:27 PM

If Beck wants to follow up on this topic he needs to have a security expert investigate the web site to find out what files and information it is accessing on the computer. Is it even installing code of any sort? Is it acting as a server?

This is at least as important to establish intent than the legal agreement.

FloatingRock on July 31, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM

So your problem is that he didn’t provide an alternate, “innocent”, explanation? Fair enough.

Weight of Glory on July 31, 2009 at 8:27 PM

For all we know, Beck may’ve talked with corporate counsel and they couldn’t find a reasonable explanation. Beck may not have considered consulting an anonymous commenter whose credentials haven’t been established in the least.

Why not say that in the segment then? Why not tell us if he contacted anyone at the DOJ or the feds’ tech people for an explanation? Why not at least raise the possibility, as I did, that there’s an innocent explanation?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Why are they covering? Why cover? CYA is for when they do. Otherwise cover for what exactly?

- The Cat

MirCat on July 31, 2009 at 8:22 PM

I meant as a legal statement that you are agreeing to so there is no legal problem by the government. What Skywise mentioned.

DanStark on July 31, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Take all the klunkers off the road, so you can’t parts when you need them.

Kini on July 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Seven Percent Solution on July 31, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Yes. I was remembering that video the other day when Beck was talking about John Holdren and his utopian gang.

katy on July 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM

So your problem is that he didn’t provide an alternate, “innocent”, explanation? Fair enough.

Weight of Glory on July 31, 2009 at 8:27 PM

My problem is that he seems utterly credulous about something that’s very far-fetched and nefarious. You don’t need to believe that Obama means well to doubt this; the cost/benefit point I raised is reason enough to pause.

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Here’s the real issue. If one of our own commenters — namely, Skywise — could provide an alternative explanation for the C4C language within 20 minutes of this being posted, couldn’t/shouldn’t a guy with millions of viewers have dug that up before going to air with this and maybe tossed it in there as a “or, here’s a more innocent possibility” explanation?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Well… where’s the FUN in that?!?

The extreme irony of this is that if Bush had done this, Olbermann, Kos, CBS and even the View would be discussing how BOOOOSHHHH was wiretapping our computers without our consent.

My apprehension though is very real (Beck’s hyperbole aside). Like you say, you can’t just consent to government treating your computer as one of theirs in such a nebulous statement. Beck’s RIGHT about the fact that if you consent to “this is one of ours” then they could install whatever they want while you’re on that website and it’d be “legal”.

I don’t think they are.

BUT.

If this becomes standard practice (and it probably will because government websites should be at least as useable as an Amazon.com) how long before government goes just a leeetle bit further and says they have to virus scan your machine for the protection of the government website?

Now I’ll just sit back and wait for Huffington Post, Digg, Slashdot, Olbermann, and even Al Franken to come to my defense in the name of liberty and patriotism.

Skywise on July 31, 2009 at 8:29 PM

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