Video: The infantilism of socialized medicine

posted at 4:40 pm on July 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The Acton Institute has an intriguing video argument against the nationalization of the health-care industry. Although clearly aimed at ObamaCare, the video takes a more philosophical approach to the entire notion of socialized medicine, or socialized anything.  It also reminds us why the term “nanny state” gets used to describe Western democracies with socialized medicine, and it’s not for the day care centers:

This can also get cast as elitism — the notion that people can’t act in their own best interests, and need a small cadre of Really Smart PeopleTM to tell them how to live their lives.  In essence, socialist systems treat people like children, not as free people capable of making decisions for themselves.  In order to sell that kind of treatment, though, advocates will convince people that they’re victims rather than children, but in the end these systems take away their choices and force them to take orders on their most personal of choices.

Either way, it’s a disaster, both in terms of delivering service and for personal freedom and civil liberties.  Unfortunately, as the Acton video informs us, once we’ve surrendered all of that for socialism, it’s extremely difficult to reverse it later.  Let’s hope we make the right decisions now.


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Let’s hope we make the right decisions now.

you mean more like “lets pray” the right decisions are made now…

SHARPTOOTH on July 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

He makes his point but …

Who is he?
Who is he talking to?
Couldn’t he make his point in less than a minute?

Most people will tune out after the first minute.

VibrioCocci on July 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Good vid. Should be seen by everyone. Im going to email the link to some others. Its short simple and to the point.

Greed on July 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Unfortunately, as the Acton video informs us, once we’ve surrendered all of that for socialism, it’s extremely difficult to reverse it later.

Yea, but do we still get to watch Thundercrack.

farright on July 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Wasn’t Rokemronnie just saying the DMZ was way better than the Police?

Upstater85 on July 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

And Jesus wept.

csdeven on July 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM

The State IS the “spiritual life” of Socialism.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM

I can’t watch the video from where I am. Does it have any cowbell?

Daggett on July 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Daggett on July 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Not really.

lorien1973 on July 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM

GREEEEEAT video

notagool on July 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

I can’t watch the video from where I am. Does it have any cowbell?

Daggett on July 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM

It takes a willow switch to it. Damn those hurt.

portlandon on July 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

I can’t watch the video from where I am. Does it have any cowbell?

Daggett on July 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM

No, but it has Nanny Pelosi trying to get her face re-formed, while standing in a queue.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Too bad this cannot be condensed somehow to make a really effective commercial. Great message.

Conservalicious on July 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

“Flight of the Bumblebee” as a good frantic feel to it, doesn’t it?

Count to 10 on July 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

VibrioCocci on July 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

He basically did. IMAGINE IF THE DMV WAS IN CHARGE OF YOUR HEALTH CARE

It was a great piece though.

J.J. Sefton on July 30, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Too bad the GOP chart is in the video; thus, it cannot be sent out for further viewing.

WashJeff on July 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Great video…very substantive, in a complex subject.

right2bright on July 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM

I don’t want to know about socialism. I just want my pony.

Cicero43 on July 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM

The 51st state – is the welfare state. Why not carve out a northern part of Nevada that the feds all ready own. Ship anyone on welfare and or who wants socialized medicine and let them set up casinos and they can keep all the proceeds to finance their welfare lifestyle? Hookers can set up brothels.
Gay people can set-up a party zone. Drug addicts can build a nice place to shoot up in…..Everyone has to work at the casino – all financed by casino goers.

izoneguy on July 30, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Good thing conservatives don’t need to resort to fear mongering tactics like Obama.

PS ALL YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES WILL BE TAKEN AWAY UNDER OBAMACARE! BOO!

e-pirate on July 30, 2009 at 5:12 PM

I just want to say a couple of things….

I’m a Sign Language Interpreter. I do some freelance work for the county hospital as well as other hospitals.

I’ve noticed, even though there’s a longer wait at the county hospital, these people are taken care of. They get the services whether they are homeless, illegal, can’t pay, can pay, insurance, no insurance, medicare, medicaid, what ever… They get taken care of. It CHAPS MY HIDE when I hear The O talk about people who can’t get services. THAT IS A LIE! I will guarantee you, they get better services now and with more respect than all of us would get under Obamacare. I’ve never seen anyone go without.

It doesn’t matter the cost, these people are taken care of.

The other “for profit” hospitals cannot turn anyone away. They are required by law to stabilize the patient. If they need to transfer them to a county hospital, they will, once they are stabilized.

I’m tired of the lies.

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 5:12 PM

that guy really looked like he was hurting w/o means to health insurance… haha.. where’s the ‘common man’ video?

gatorboy on July 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM

FANTASTIC video.

Mommypundit on July 30, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Ah, the trolls have joined in with their usual incicisive, well-reasoned commentary.

Why are Leftists angry all the time?

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:17 PM

incicisive

over-active fingers: incisive

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Love it:

The closest thing we have to eternal life here on earth is government bureaucracy!

Christian Conservative on July 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

The Really Smart People, indeed

They are pretty much the re-incarnation of Lenin’s Vanguard.

blatantblue on July 30, 2009 at 5:23 PM

the notion that people can’t act in their own best interests, and need a small cadre of Really Smart PeopleTM to tell them how to live their lives.

As a few posters have said on other threads today My IQ would give most people Nose Bleeds. I don’t need “Really Smart People” whom I’m probably smarter than to tell me how to live. In actuality, even those people who aren’t as smart as the “Really Smart People” (a debatable point) don’t need their help either. If the “Really Smart People” keep it up they won’t like the push back that will occur.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Interesting story behind the Acton Institute. The founder, Father Robert Sirico, used to be a pal of Jane Fonda in the 60′s and 70′s – before he became a priest.

He had a change of view, went to Catholic seminary.

While there, he read Burke and other classics of conservatism and had the idea of building a foundation/think tank that would explain the spiritual basis of conservatism.

He didn’t have any money or connections, but he wrote a letter to William F Buckley seeking advice.

Buckley volunteered, at his own expense, to travel to Michigan and keynote a fund-raiser.

Acton has grown into something of a power-house, largely because Father Sirico is a bundle of tireless energy.

His brother, by the way, is the actor who played Paulie Walnuts on the Sopranos.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Good video but did he have to bring up spiritualism? This is a role of government argument and he makes some great points, all of which I agree with. But now when I pass this video on it will be immediately scoffed at and shut off by atheists/agnostics within the first 10 seconds.

Zetterson on July 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM

I like how conservatives are incapable of understanding the fact that the current health care system is controlled by bureaucrats: private bureaucrats. Bureaucrats who literally work everyday to figure out ways to deny coverage to their own customers and keep people with “pre-existing conditions” off their rolls.

AJB on July 30, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Good video but did he have to bring up spiritualism? This is a role of government argument and he makes some great points, all of which I agree with. But now when I pass this video on it will be immediately scoffed at and shut off by atheists/agnostics within the first 10 seconds.

Zetterson on July 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM

See my notes on Acton above. The whole basis of Acton is to demonstrate the spiritual principles underlying capitalism and liberty.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:27 PM

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 5:12 PM

If a patient can’t be treated at County, they will be transferred to a hospital that has more advanced care. Non profit hospitals are filled with patients that are indigent. They have social workers who sign them up for any program that they are eligible for to pay the bill. Large University Medical Centers UCSF-MC, Stanford, or Children’s Hospitals, all treat the indigent. SF County General has the same doctors as UCSF-MC.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Awesome! The DMV analogy is perfect. I wonder if I can buy a flow chart like that and use it as a wind chime. Sweet music.

Green Muse on July 30, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Couldn’t he make his point in less than a minute?

Most people will tune out after the first minute.

VibrioCocci on July 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I’ve always seen that as a problem for conservatives. Conservatives make fun of the liberals for their “bumper sticker” slogans but they work. A liberal makes their point with “No blood for oil” or “Bush lied. Kids died.” while the conservative would write a 20 page dissertation complete with pictures that have circles and arrows and paragraph on the back of each one explaining what it shows. All very nice but the audience is mostly blind.

jmarcure on July 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Bureaucrats who literally work everyday to figure out ways to deny coverage to their own customers and keep people with “pre-existing conditions” off their rolls.

AJB on July 30, 2009 at 5:26 PM

As a former HR executive, I’ve dealt with health insurance companies for over 25 years.

Never – not once – did I experience any such behavior on their part. Pre-existing condition issues only arise when you are trying to buy individual coverage, by the way. Since you are then a group of one the actuarial basis behind health insurance absolutely demands that you either pay a much higher premium or that the pre-existing condition be excluded.

But why bother with simple facts, right?

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Loved the Flight of the Bumblebee music with Congressman Kevin Brady’s helpful chart spinning – it shows how out of control this mess will be.

redwhiteblue on July 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM

AJB on July 30, 2009 at 5:26 PM

While what you say is true you still have the option to pay cash or at the next open enrollment change companies. The only way Government can control costs is to control access (rationing). Thus when they are the only game in town you are screwed. So why can’t you libs wrap your brains around that.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 5:34 PM

a patient can’t be treated at County, they will be transferred to a hospital that has more advanced care. Non profit hospitals are filled with patients that are indigent. They have social workers who sign them up for any program that they are eligible for to pay the bill. Large University Medical Centers UCSF-MC, Stanford, or Children’s Hospitals, all treat the indigent. SF County General has the same doctors as UCSF-MC.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 5:27 PM

I beg to differ. The county hospital to which I refer is actually on the cutting edge. It is well known for being teh most premier burn unit in the country. Well known people are known to frequent this particular system. My mother was needing to be transfered from a well-to-do hospital and they were on teh list because they have a neurosurgeon teh WTD hospital didn’t.

You would be amazed. I agree, the indigent are there, but they get the same quality as the non-indegent do.

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM

my favorite part was the animated House Bureaucracy Chart.

mperek on July 30, 2009 at 5:37 PM

The money snippet is the part where we see the complexity of that huge bureaucracy on the republican chart/mailer come alive in 3D.

DaveS on July 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Should have said partially true in my 5:34 PM post

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Either way, it’s a disaster, both in terms of delivering service and for personal freedom and civil liberties.

Exactly the point I was trying to make to our resident HA liberal AnninCA that insists gubment run healthcare will be the best thing since sliced bread!

Here’s what AnninCA posted in a similar thread yesterday:

Whatever. I think the GOP is stupid on this issue, but I’m not up for arguing.

AnninCA on July 29, 2009 at 6:12 PM

And my respose to AnninCA’s above comment echoes Ed’s statement above:

With all due respect AnninCA, anyone with the slightest bit of honesty that isn’t blinded by their own ideology and/or allegiance to THE ONE can only come to the conclusion that:

1 – The government according to the constitution is overstepping its bounds by even attempting to take control of our healthcare.

2 – Private enterprise/free markets have always been more efficient and cost effective in providing products and services to people than any government agency ever has and anyone that believes otherwise is either:

A) a liar
B) a moron
C) never had to deal with a gubment agency say like the DMV or
D) all of the above.

For you AnninCA I’d say the answer would be D, all of the above! Seriously AnninCA, have you ever had to deal with a gubment agency? I do so almost on a daily basis in my career and most of the time the people on the other end of the telephone don’t have an f-ing clue, they don’t even know what department to transfer me to get answers to my questions!

Have you ever sat at the DMV and dealt with some of the “geniuses” that work there? Have you ever done any research on just how wasteful a government bureaucracy is, how little gubment agencies accomplish dollar for dollar compared to private industry?

You seriously need to think about it before off handedly calling all of those in the GOP stupid because we rightfully question people like you that actually think for even a moment that a gubment agency can provide better and more cost effective healthcare than private industry can! In my opinion anyone that does think the gubment can do a better job than private industry is the one with the low IQ!

Liberty or Death on July 30, 2009 at 5:40 PM

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Where do you live?
My wife was a volunteer Chaplain for 8 years in a County Hospital that had the premier burn unit in the area.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

AJB on July 30, 2009 at 5:26 PM

On what planet does this troll live?

angryed on July 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Pre-existing condition issues only arise when you are trying to buy individual coverage, by the way.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Well its a good thing nobody needs individual coverage.

Oh wait a minute…

e-pirate on July 30, 2009 at 5:42 PM

While what you say is true you still have the option to pay cash or at the next open enrollment change companies.

Sorry, chemman, but what AJB says is not true.

Cases where an insurance company will not approve doctor-recommended treatment which conforms to the standard of care are almost non-existent. True, if one subscribes to an HMO, there are tighter standards, but even then, outright denial of treatment is rare.

As for pre-existing conditions, well, as I already noted, that only applies if you are seeking individual coverage.

People don’t seem to want to understand that the principle of insurance is to spread risk among many subscribers. Taking an analogy, let’s suppose you’re looking for car insurance: if you have had 3 wrecks and 5 speeding tickets, you’re going to pay a lot more.

And the truth is that a lot of people who are caught up in the pre-existing condition trap are people who chose not to spend on health insurance for years. Then, when they develop a condition, they try to sign up.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Where do you live?
My wife was a volunteer Chaplain for 8 years in a County Hospital that had the premier burn unit in the area.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Dallas Co.

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

On what planet does this troll live?

angryed on July 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

planet argon

blatantblue on July 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Well its a good thing nobody needs individual coverage.

Oh wait a minute…

e-pirate on July 30, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Of course they do, simplistic troll. And it is a conundrum, no doubt.

But that doesn’t justify denying everybody else’s right to make their own choices.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM

I like how conservatives are incapable of understanding the fact that the current health care system is controlled by bureaucrats: private bureaucrats. Bureaucrats who literally work everyday to figure out ways to deny coverage to their own customers and keep people with “pre-existing conditions” off their rolls.

AJB on July 30, 2009 at 5:26 PM

And I like how socialists are incapable of understanding that government, unlike for-profit business, has no ultimate interest in “competing” with private enterprise. The Democrats from Obama on down are entirely disingenuous about their “interest” in “competing”. Government will always skew the playing field with inherent rule-making and revenue co-opting tactics that private businesses will never have.

When there is a “public option”, the playing field will be so skewed that it will soon resemble a rock climb up a sheer cliff, with government at the top continually moving the goalposts and companies at the bottom, eventually giving up because of inability to operate fairly in their own territory.

The fact of the matter is, GOOD health care does cost money, something that socialists are apparently completely unable to understand. “Cheap” health care is practically worthless, and it won’t be cheap anyway because our ultimately raised taxes will still subsidize it.

A further fact is that health insurance is already a highly competitive field, which actually has kept costs lower than they otherwise might be. Socialists will be in for the shock of their lives once they realize that the world is becoming more expensive and that the quality health care that this bill will destroy never, ever could be free or cheap.

Edouard on July 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Not the same hospital but we saw the same thing you described. Everybody got exemplary treatment.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 5:48 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Actually I realize I worded my response incorrectly. I understand the issue of pre-existing conditions and how insurance spreads the risk. My mother was an HR specialist until she retired. Thinks for the refresher.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Not the same hospital but we saw the same thing you described. Everybody got exemplary treatment.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 5:48 PM

If I get in a car wreck, take me there. I’ve seen their trama er unit in action many times. I’ve seen the CareFlights waiting to land one right after another.

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Actually I realize I worded my response incorrectly. I understand the issue of pre-existing conditions and how insurance spreads the risk. My mother was an HR specialist until she retired. Thinks for the refresher.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

No problem. Having negotiated and administered health plans for as many as 21,000 employees, I’m well-versed.

One anecdote: at one company where I was VP of HR, we had a cleaning lady, in her 60′s, who needed a bone-marrow transplant.

Things did not go well and she needed an experimental anti-rejection drug that cost $20,000 per month in order to have any hope of survival.

It wasn’t on the plan formularly, which meant, contracturally, the insurer could have told her to just die.

But they approved the treatment.

Evil, evil insurance company.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 5:55 PM

What would be even smarter, and probably far more accurate is to show average wait times for service at a Social Security office, than corralate that to an inflated Health Care bureaucracy along with life and death decision authority, and even Clive Barker couldn’t come up with a scarier scenario.

Rode Werk on July 30, 2009 at 6:17 PM

I beg to differ. The county hospital to which I refer is actually on the cutting edge. It is well known for being teh most premier burn unit in the country. Well known people are known to frequent this particular system. My mother was needing to be transfered from a well-to-do hospital and they were on teh list because they have a neurosurgeon teh WTD hospital didn’t.

You would be amazed. I agree, the indigent are there, but they get the same quality as the non-indegent do.

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Uh, nothing I said disagrees with you. And I also said that UCSF and County have the same doctors. And, cutting edge or not, different hospitals have different specialties or are conducting research and trials in certain areas. UCSF and Loma Linda have advanced pediatric cardiac surgery programs – County General does not. An infant or child at County General, even though indigent, who has a serious heart anomaly, will be transferred to a hospital that specializes in neonatal and pediatric cardiac surgery.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 6:18 PM

The obvious video to make would be one like the medicine ads where they point out all the side effects of the drug. I think that would be pretty effective.

tomas on July 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM

The obvious video to make would be one like the medicine ads where they point out all the side effects of the drug. I think that would be pretty effective.

tomas on July 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM

You’re right. But, republicans have never been good at things like that. They’ve gotten so use to rolling over, it’s Pavlovian.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 6:25 PM

When there is a “public option”, the playing field will be so skewed that it will soon resemble a rock climb up a sheer cliff, with government at the top continually moving the goalposts and companies at the bottom, eventually giving up because of inability to operate fairly in their own territory.

The fact of the matter is, GOOD health care does cost money, something that socialists are apparently completely unable to understand. “Cheap” health care is practically worthless, and it won’t be cheap anyway because our ultimately raised taxes will still subsidize it.

A further fact is that health insurance is already a highly competitive field, which actually has kept costs lower than they otherwise might be. Socialists will be in for the shock of their lives once they realize that the world is becoming more expensive and that the quality health care that this bill will destroy never, ever could be free or cheap.

Edouard on July 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Our healthcare is far and away the most expensive in the world and yet not rated the highest. We have higher infant mortality, lower life expectancy, etc versus a whole host of countries that spend less than us. The free market has failed to produce the most efficient system. The “cheap” healthcare is beating us. That’s not to say socializing it is the answer, but the status quo is unacceptable.

jonknee on July 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Libs let their social ills fall everywhere. And sorry if we don’t just throw babies in the garbage when they are sick. I well, he probably wouldn’t have lived anyway…viva la france.

tomas on July 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Our healthcare is far and away the most expensive in the world and yet not rated the highest.

Not rated highest by whom?

The UN?

Oh, I’m totally convinced, then.

As for infant mortality and life expectancy, look to the habits of our inner-city populations, Jack.

Want to compare us to Sweden or Japan?

Apples to oranges.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 6:32 PM

jonknee@6:20
Could you provide sources for your claim of “cheap healthcare is beating us” and explain how the free market has failed?

24K lady on July 30, 2009 at 6:35 PM

I wonder how all the employees of the evil insurance companies feel about the prospect of either a) losing their jobs, or b) being forced to work at ACORN HMO. Having worked in both purchasing and sales with a few government clients mixed among the sane ones, I would rather hang myself than be in government paperwork hell.

evergreen on July 30, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Not rated highest by whom?

The UN?

Oh, I’m totally convinced, then.

As for infant mortality and life expectancy, look to the habits of our inner-city populations, Jack.

Want to compare us to Sweden or Japan?

Apples to oranges.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 6:32 PM

By almost any conceivable metric. On average you’re more likely to die from health related problems in the US than you are in many other countries. Can you buy great healthcare in America? Certainly. You can also pay for your kids to go to amazing elite schools, that doesn’t mean education in America is amazing. On average we’re getting worse healthcare than much of the West and on top of that we’re paying more than *everyone*.

Blame the inner city for infant mortality? Why isn’t that still troubling to you? Cuba has a better rate than we do. They have to go on the black market to buy aspirin but they can beat us in infant mortality. It’s beyond embarrassing.

Again, this doesn’t mean socializing it is the answer. But what we have now is failure. It’s not a simple problem.

jonknee on July 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Anyone still out there?

I agree that the video is a bit long – no catchy soundbite. I have an idea for a protest/video along the lines of the drug side effects idea.

Children selling lemonade (Future Tax Payers of America t-shirts) that are rationing and determining who gets what kind of lemonade based on their demographic. Fat people get diet lemonade, old people get only one teaspoon, kids get low-sugar, all lemonade is warm and bitter but it only costs $.05 for a very small cup. And no seconds until everyone has some. Ice is available in two hours, if you’ll wait. But if you’re willing to pay more, you can have the special, private lemonade – but only until they get caught selling it.

I know it’s an early idea but originally I was thinking a protest for outside my Reps office on August 22nd – Recess Rally day.

I’m looking for ideas. I have the kids and the lemons.

gopmom on July 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Our healthcare is far and away the most expensive in the world and yet not rated the highest. We have higher infant mortality, lower life expectancy, etc versus a whole host of countries that spend less than us. The free market has failed to produce the most efficient system. The “cheap” healthcare is beating us. That’s not to say socializing it is the answer, but the status quo is unacceptable.

jonknee on July 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Of course it’s the highest, you geek. Only the very ignorant deny it. The infant mortality stats are nonsense since what we would define as a live birth, other countries define as a stillborn or miscarriage.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Blame the inner city for infant mortality? Why isn’t that still troubling to you? Cuba has a better rate than we do. They have to go on the black market to buy aspirin but they can beat us in infant mortality. It’s beyond embarrassing.

jonknee on July 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

No, what is embarrassing is people like you floating that stupid infant mortality meme. it makes you look stooopid.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

jonknee on July 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

I don’t think our healthcare system is killing us, our health knowledge combined with our affluent lifestyles are killing us. Public schools and public health systems don’t help.

gopmom on July 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Blame the inner city for infant mortality? Why isn’t that still troubling to you?

Because the truth doesn’t trouble me.

Rely on UN numbers if you wish. Their assessments include all sorts of metrics that really have nothing to do with healthcare and a lot to do with “equality”.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM

the primary function of any bureaucracy is the preservation of the bureaucracy.

DDT on July 30, 2009 at 7:54 PM

The progressives cum socialists believe a strong collective will benefit the individual, whereas the conservative/libertarian believes a strong individual will benefit the greater good.

redfoxbluestate on July 30, 2009 at 8:07 PM

the primary function of any bureaucracy is the preservation of the bureaucracy.

DDT on July 30, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Genius.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

I like how conservatives are incapable of understanding the fact that the current health care system is controlled by bureaucrats: private bureaucrats. Bureaucrats who literally work everyday to figure out ways to deny coverage to their own customers and keep people with “pre-existing conditions” off their rolls.

AJB on July 30, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Actually, we DO get that. The problem at the moment is that the ‘solution’ being offered is about the worst possible one you could think of. Our government, at the federal level, has proven incredibly inept at the responsibilities it already has. And yet somehow people want to give it control over something as vital as making direct choices over our healthcare? (pun not intended)

Once this nonsense nanny-statism gets tossed in the round file when it belongs, THEN we can start having discussions about reform that really will help fix the problems. But until then we’re going to be in defense mode trying to stop this craziness from becoming law. To use an analogy, you can’t fling open the city gates to traders from faraway lands when there’s a giant Trojan Horse sitting right outside the walls.

Dark-Star on July 30, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Good thing conservatives don’t need to resort to fear mongering tactics like Obama.

PS ALL YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES WILL BE TAKEN AWAY UNDER OBAMACARE! BOO!

e-pirate on July 30, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Yeah, that fat tax that’s going to foot the bill for all of Obamatopia make no dent whatsoever in this immense, “fully-operational” Debt Star that we’re getting shackled to represents NO loss of liberty to a self-proclaimed “pirate.” And why would it? It’s not like we really need that liberty to eat whatever we bloody well please, or to be able to tell Puritanical busybodies in Washington to kindly F*** Right Off regarding whatever new scheme-of-the-week is supposed to turn us all into New Soviet American Global Man.

Hey, I know! How about you Statists run your lives however you wish, and leave me and mine to run our own? If you want to help the unfortunate using your own resources, fine and dandy. But remove that “helping hand” from the rest of our wallets – or lose it.

Blacksmith on July 30, 2009 at 9:24 PM

The central point that the RNC should be concentrating on is buried in this video. It goes to the core of the American experience and I believe it’s key to the debate…it needs to be stated clearly to people so they can embrace the idea.

“The problem with socialism is that it doesn’t actually trust the individuals and the families to make decisions for themselves, it thinks that we are children.”

NickelAndDime on July 31, 2009 at 8:48 AM