Senate Republicans: No deal on health care

posted at 12:15 pm on July 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

With most of the focus on the House in the health-care battle, the Senate has tried to independently reach a bipartisan deal on health-care reform — by actually engaging Republicans.  At least for now, Democrats in the Senate have has as much luck with the GOP as they have with their own Blue Dogs.  The three Republicans on the panel have announced that no deal will come before tomorrow’s recess — and it doesn’t look like they’re getting closer regardless:

Two of the three Senate Republicans negotiating a bipartisan deal on health care reform said they consider an agreement out of reach before the Senate goes on its August recess.

That likely dashes the hopes of Democratic leaders and President Barack Obama for a deal among the so-called Gang of Six negotiators that could deliver critical momentum for the stalled health care overhaul.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Sen. Michael Enzi, R-Wyoming, dropped the bombshell news to CNN and two other reporters in Capitol hallways Wednesday night. They have spent weeks behind closed doors, trying to hammer out an agreement with their Democratic counterparts on the Senate Finance Committee but said too many issues remain unresolved, making it virtually impossible for them to sign on to a deal before the break.

Harry Reid postponed consideration of health-care reform until after the break, but he had hoped to get some broad framework of agreement before everyone left Washington.  In this case, Reid at least tried to play it smarter than Nancy Pelosi, who has put herself in the worst-case scenario of having a firm bill with only Democrats supporting it (and not even all of those), hanging in public like a pinata for the GOP to hit for the next several weeks.  Reid wanted to get Republicans on board before the recess to alleviate the pressure on his caucus from constituents during the recess.

Even if Reid failed, the strategy made a lot more sense than what Democrats are doing in the House:

A leading Blue Dog said today that Democrats aren’t working with any Republicans to pass healthcare reform.

Rep. Barron Hill (D-Ind.) admitted that healthcare efforts so far have focused entirely on rounding up the Democratic caucus.

“We’ve not had any discussions or negotiations with Republicans,” Hill said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “We invite Republicans to be a part of the solution to our healthcare problems that we have, but we’ve not had any negotiations with them.”

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Enzi got angry yesterday when rumors of a deal began swirling around Capitol Hill:

Enzi, a soft-spoken conservative, was furious about headlines Wednesday morning that suggested he was close to reaching a deal with the Democrats.

“I felt my reputation was in danger,” he said.

He issued a statement batting down the stories and insisted any deal he might ultimately sign onto would have to be preserved by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, and Reid when it is merged with other more liberal legislation in the Senate and House.

“I’m not interested in lending credibility to disaster,” Enzi said.

That will be the Republican message during the break. The Hill also reports that the GOP may introduce their own health-care reform bill in the House when the session resumes in September, which should make for some interesting fireworks with Pelosi and John Boehner. In the meantime, the GOP will spend the recess emphasizing the radical nature of Democratic plans on health care reform, and the Democrats will not have a fig leaf of bipartisan agreement to protect them.


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But they are still going to put out their own bill because they are afraid of being “do nothings”. That’s how this socialist sh!t works. They start a stir, “something must be done!!!!”, then they throw out the most invasive thing they can think of and then get negotiated down.

the only GOP bill I’m interested in is one that does away with government influence in the finances of healthcare. PERIOD.

Fighton03 on July 30, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I find it odd that for the last 3 weeks the media has been doing everything they can to push the story that the healthcare bill is close to being passed. Even though the House and Obama admitted that nothing would be signed until October, there is still a story on the front page of Yahoo saying that a deal on healthcare is close.

MobileVideoEngineer on July 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM

“I’m not interested in lending credibility to disaster,”

T-shirt, or bumper sticker? You decide.

Vashta.Nerada on July 30, 2009 at 12:24 PM

T-shirt, or bumper sticker? You decide.

Vashta.Nerada on July 30, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Bumper sticker for sure.

myrenovations on July 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I like this Enzi quote too…

“I felt my reputation was in danger,” he said.

Because when I heard there might be a bipartisan deal yesterday, I was hating on the GOP almost as much as on the Dems.

myrenovations on July 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I still don’t believe any of them. I have this sick feeling I’m going to wake up Saturday morning to find some kind of BarryCare that’s been passed.

They are all weasels.

Knucklehead on July 30, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Great news, because it tells House democrats they’re going out on the wire first, without a safety net. They can go way out there, hundreds of feet above the concrete, voting for health-scare, only to have the senate kill the whole thing. House democrats will be on record forever as voting for this dog.

Republicans will use that foolish health care vote to destroy the democrats in 2010. This is a lib’s worst nightmare.

For republicans who vote health-scare, I have no words of the horror that awaits them in 2010.

Either way, good times!

jeff_from_mpls on July 30, 2009 at 12:29 PM

“I’m not interested in lending credibility to disaster,”

“Never waste a disaster.” Rahm Emanuel

sdd on July 30, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Maybe he’ll be deemed a villian now, too as Pelosi just said insurance companies a villians for opposing a public option:

“It’s almost immoral what they are doing,” Pelosi said to reporters, referring to insurance companies. “Of course they’ve been immoral all along in how they have treated the people that they insure,” she said, adding, “They are the villains. They have been part of the problem in a major way. They are doing everything in their power to stop a public option from happening.” http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE56T4CZ20090730?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

jonkk on July 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM

I love it. 59 Democrats and 1 Republican vote for it and it’s “bipartisan”.

LibTired on July 30, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I love how they call it the public option. These people lie for a living. The public option is called SOCIALISM. It has a way of wiping out all competition. Then it wipes out a country.

Mojave Mark on July 30, 2009 at 12:32 PM

All I need is a reminder that “Cap and TAX” would not have passed the House were it not for 4 Republican votes Nancy Pelosi needed, and she got eight.

Marcus on July 30, 2009 at 12:33 PM

In the meantime, the GOP will spend the recess emphasizing the radical nature of Democratic plans on health care reform, and the Democrats will not have a fig leaf of bipartisan agreement to protect them.

It’s funny how the only bipartisanship is in opposition to this nightmare.

farright on July 30, 2009 at 12:33 PM

HOLD ON!!!

Is that a spine I see in the GOP?

It looks like one but something like this has not been spotted for years. I’ll wait and see if it truly does turn out to be a spine.

jukin on July 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM

I love it. 59 Democrats and 1 Republican vote for it and it’s “bipartisan”.

LibTired on July 30, 2009 at 12:32 PM

In Obizzaro world, it is even bi-partisan if the Reps offer an amendment that is voted down.

ICBM on July 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM

The only bill the republicans should agree to is one that kills Obama communist health care … period.

darwin on July 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Well past time the gutless DC wing of the Repubs figured out how to be in the minority. 3rd year and some of ‘em still don’t get it!

Mew

acat on July 30, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Will the White House release the economic forecast update during the recess, which will undoubtedly show a much larger deficit than earlier predicted, or will they continue to suppress it from the public?

If they release it, BarryCare is toast.

DrW on July 30, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Socialists always need a villain.

lorien1973 on July 30, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Will the White House release the economic forecast update during the recess, which will undoubtedly show a much larger deficit than earlier predicted, or will they continue to suppress it from the public?

If they release it, BarryCare is toast.

DrW on July 30, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I am not holding my breath.

ICBM on July 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM

T-shirt, or bumper sticker? You decide.

Vashta.Nerada on July 30, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Cupcake.

highhopes on July 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Rep. Barron Hill (D-Ind.) admitted that healthcare efforts so far have focused entirely on rounding up the Democratic caucus.

But Pelosi has the votes!

highhopes on July 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM

i don’t want the Repuublicans to do anything but ssay no to anything offered in Congress.

i trust no one but my cat & she bit me last week.

kelley in virginia on July 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM

After the recess, the dems and a few RINOs will push something through, and it will be called Health Care Reform, and the media will sell it 24/7 as a breathtaking stroke of genius and an all-out legislative victory by Obama. What will the GOP do then?

Rational Thought on July 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Cupcake.

highhopes on July 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM

++

LibTired on July 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM

when the congressman/senators who are/might be in politica trouble, go home, will they hear more from pro or anti-obamacare people? who’s got the momentum now?

kelley in virginia on July 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Will the White House release the economic forecast update during the recess, which will undoubtedly show a much larger deficit than earlier predicted, or will they continue to suppress it from the public?

If they release it, BarryCare is toast.

DrW on July 30, 2009 at 12:36 PM

It will come out the same day the White House releases new pictures of the puppy frolicking in the surf as the “populist” first family vacations in a $20M mansion.

highhopes on July 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Maybe he’ll be deemed a villian now, too as Pelosi just said insurance companies a villians for opposing a public option:

“It’s almost immoral what they are doing,” Pelosi said to reporters, referring to insurance companies. “Of course they’ve been immoral all along in how they have treated the people that they insure,” she said, adding, “They are the villains. They have been part of the problem in a major way. They are doing everything in their power to stop a public option from happening.” http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE56T4CZ20090730?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

jonkk on July 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM

She actually said that???? Wow. Either she is off her meds, or this has really gotten under her skin, and that is hard to do since it has been surgically stretched so tight.

Not real productive to call the providers of the money for 70% of our system “villains.”

Worst. Speaker. EVER.

rockmom on July 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM

rat’l thought:; i have a feeling you are right thta something will be pushed thru with t he assistance of RINOs & we’ll be stuck.

we just to get this thing defeated once & for all. can’t they fix something before they break something else?

kelley in virginia on July 30, 2009 at 12:43 PM

when the congressman/senators who are/might be in politica trouble, go home, will they hear more from pro or anti-obamacare people? who’s got the momentum now?

kelley in virginia on July 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Definitely the anti-Obama communist health care people.

darwin on July 30, 2009 at 12:44 PM

“We’ve not had any discussions or negotiations with Republicans,” Hill said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “We invite Republicans to be a part of the solution to our healthcare problems that we have, but we’ve not had any negotiations with them.we’ll just keep on pretending that they and their constituents don’t exist”

They want the republicans to “be part of the solution? Horse sh!t! They want the republicans to roll over and kiss their butts

oldernwiser on July 30, 2009 at 12:44 PM

After the recess, the dems and a few RINOs will push something through, and it will be called Health Care Reform, and the media will sell it 24/7 as a breathtaking stroke of genius and an all-out legislative victory by Obama. What will the GOP do then?

Rational Thought on July 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM

They’ll criticize it all over the television and when 2010 comes around they criticize it some more.

myrenovations on July 30, 2009 at 12:44 PM

After the recess, the dems and a few RINOs will push something through, and it will be called Health Care Reform, and the media will sell it 24/7 as a breathtaking stroke of genius and an all-out legislative victory by Obama. What will the GOP do then?

Rational Thought on July 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM

The progressive caucus, as of the moment, is not interested in any compromise that dilutes the public option. The stance for now among many progressives is an all or nothing strategy for public option/single-payer. It just keeps getting better.

ICBM on July 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM

But they are still going to put out their own bill because they are afraid of being “do nothings”. That’s how this socialist sh!t works. They start a stir, “something must be done!!!!”, then they throw out the most invasive thing they can think of and then get negotiated down.

the only GOP bill I’m interested in is one that does away with government influence in the finances of healthcare. PERIOD.

Fighton03 on July 30, 2009 at 12:21 PM

100+

Same thing they did with Porkulus, with McCain/Feingold, with Medicare prescription coverage: have their minions make all this scary “the public demands it” noise within the Beltway – and the GOP plays right into their hands.

I like my healthcare.
It’s the best in the world.
Leave me alone

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM

I’ll rekindle a spark of faith if I hear any congressman stand up and declare any such healthcare legislation to be illegal under the 10th Amendment.

It won’t happen. We only have enemies of the state in DC.

LimeyGeek on July 30, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Because when I heard there might be a bipartisan deal yesterday, I was hating on the GOP almost as much as on the Dems.

myrenovations on July 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Don’t rest too easy. Chuck Grassley is whoring for a “legacy” on this thing. And Olympia Snowe is lifting her skirt, as usual.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 12:48 PM

So Nancy is willing to have only a party-line passage of it, if she can get it. I’ll say it again, she is the dumbest SOH in the history of this nation!

I love how she doesn’t care if she is “popular” w/the American people, just so long as she can “get things done.” Yet, she and all her Dem cronies were oh-so-worried about our international popularity under GWB. They are more worried about US polularity abroad than the opinions of Americans? Go figure.

JAM on July 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM

I’ll rekindle a spark of faith if I hear any congressman stand up and declare any such healthcare legislation to be illegal under the 10th Amendment.

It won’t happen. We only have enemies of the state in DC.

LimeyGeek on July 30, 2009 at 12:46 PM

The 10th Amendment?
That old thing?

A mere speed bump on the road to socialism.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Fig leaf????

Don’t you mean “olive branch?”

Daggett on July 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM

One would hope that any wavering Republicans would keep in mind that this big stinking load of Crapola on steroids would be the gift that keeps on giving as far as re-election chances go.

Unlike the “stimulus” that has passed into memory for most, the wonders of O’crap care would be a constant reminder to voters.

They need to keep that first and foremost in their minds before even entertaining the merest thought at supporting it.

Chainsaw56 on July 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM

She actually said that???? Wow. Either she is off her meds, or this has really gotten under her skin, and that is hard to do since it has been surgically stretched so tight.

Not real productive to call the providers of the money for 70% of our system “villains.”

Worst. Speaker. EVER.

rockmom on July 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Agreed about the worst speaker, evah. Bear in mind that the Red Nan’s base is the left of the left, and her words reflect the feelings of that group. They hate the insurance companies, and do view them as the villian, and all that is wrong with health-care.

ICBM on July 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Mitt Romney on Healthcare Reform: It’s not that hard, dude.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/07/mr-president-whats-the-rush.html

DrW on July 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM

“I’m not interested in lending credibility to disaster,”

Tattoo…………

Seven Percent Solution on July 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Any GOP pol who lends support to any ObamaCare “compromise” is a fool supporting a Trojan horse. Period.

petefrt on July 30, 2009 at 12:56 PM

No compromise should include a “public option”. The Republicans need to make clear that they aren’t willing to negotiate towards the government becoming a health insurance company.

frode on July 30, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I still don’t believe any of them. I have this sick feeling I’m going to wake up Saturday morning to find some kind of BarryCare that’s been passed.

Knucklehead on July 30, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Me too. You know this stuff is always sneaked in “under the radar” on a Friday night.

When Hussein said yesterday in one of his town hall meetings that there’s no rush, I don’t buy it. More than likely, that is one of his tactics to get his opposition to let their guard down. We need the GOP and the Blue Dogs to stand firm on this and not give an inch.

UltimateBob on July 30, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Fig leaf????

Don’t you mean “olive branch?”

Daggett on July 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM

No…what this means is that the GOP isn’t going to provide cover for the donkeys. Essentially they’re naked before the populace.

Fighton03 on July 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM

But they are still going to put out their own bill because they are afraid of being “do nothings”. That’s how this socialist sh!t works. They start a stir, “something must be done!!!!”, then they throw out the most invasive thing they can think of and then get negotiated down.
the only GOP bill I’m interested in is one that does away with government influence in the finances of healthcare. PERIOD.
Fighton03 on July 30, 2009 at 12:21 PM

100+
I like my healthcare.
It’s the best in the world.
Leave me alone
guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM

200+

Why can’t we get the Government out of healthcare?
That makes the most sense.
Is there anything the government hasn’t screwed up?

Chainsaw56 on July 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Mitt Romney on Healthcare Reform: It’s not that hard, dude.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/07/mr-president-whats-the-rush.html

DrW on July 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM

The government-run healthcare scheme in Massachussets wasn’t exactly successful. Didn’t it go broke in the first year?

UltimateBob on July 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM

No…what this means is that the GOP isn’t going to provide cover for the donkeys. Essentially they’re naked before the populace.

Fighton03 on July 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM

They should be arrested for “over-exposure.”

farright on July 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Baron Hill should start counting down his final days in office. He has lied to everyone in Indiana and is just a Reid and Pelosi puppet. See ya’ Baron!!

rook105 on July 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I still don’t believe any of them. I have this sick feeling I’m going to wake up Saturday morning to find some kind of BarryCare that’s been passed.

Knucklehead on July 30, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Even if it is … who says we have to stand for it? They can pass bills until the cows come home but if the majority of Americans tell them to shove it and refuse to play, or even better … if we show up on their doorstep a million strong, there’s nothing they can do.

There are always options … of course the most undesirable being saved for last.

darwin on July 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM

No…what this means is that the GOP isn’t going to provide cover for the donkeys. Essentially they’re naked before the populace.

Fighton03 on July 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Please, someone hand them a fig leaf!!!! The mental image of naked Democrats is TOO MUCH!!!

I won’t mention any names since I know most of you probably just finished your lunch. You don’t need to taste it a second time.

UltimateBob on July 30, 2009 at 1:01 PM

The government-run healthcare scheme in Massachussets wasn’t exactly successful. Didn’t it go broke in the first year?

UltimateBob on July 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I don’t know if it went broke in the first year, but it’s broke now.

And let’s not forget about TennCare (Tennessee’s socialized medicine experiment). That fiasco took that state to it’s knee’s.

Knucklehead on July 30, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Agreed about the worst speaker, evah. Bear in mind that the Red Nan’s base is the left of the left, and her words reflect the feelings of that group. They hate the insurance companies, and do view them as the villian, and all that is wrong with health-care.

ICBM on July 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM

What disgusts me is the people who hate the evil insurance companies almost undoubtedly have never had care denied to them, they’re just endlessly repeating the “evil HMO” meme.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Tort Reform!

No health care reform without tort reform.!

Jayrae on July 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Tort Reform!

No health care reform without tort reform.!

Jayrae on July 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Tort reform yes

Health care reform no

darwin on July 30, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Why don’t I get a warm and fuzzy about this knowing the Maine twins are on the case?

angryed on July 30, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Please, someone hand them a fig leaf!!!! The mental image of naked Democrats is TOO MUCH!!!

I won’t mention any names since I know most of you probably just finished your lunch. You don’t need to taste it a second time.

UltimateBob on July 30, 2009 at 1:01 PM

gahhhhhh…mind bleach…mind bleach….I humbly beg forgiveness for my choice of words…..

(see barry, it’s not hard…..’calibrate’ sheesh)

Fighton03 on July 30, 2009 at 1:12 PM

What disgusts me is the people who hate the evil insurance companies almost undoubtedly have never had care denied to them, they’re just endlessly repeating the “evil HMO” meme.

guntotinglibertarian on July 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM

They are neo-marxists. If it wasn’t the insurance companies, it would be another industry. What these comrades do not take into consideration is the hundreds of thousands of jobs tied to the insurance industry, or the billions of dollars of investment capital that are supplied by them. Insurance companies invest heavily in real estate and other markets as a means of growing their capital to maintain their claims paying ability.

ICBM on July 30, 2009 at 1:12 PM

No…what this means is that the GOP isn’t going to provide cover for the donkeys. Essentially they’re naked before the populace.

Fighton03 on July 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Ah, okay, thanks.

Daggett on July 30, 2009 at 1:13 PM

The government-run healthcare scheme in Massachussets wasn’t exactly successful. Didn’t it go broke in the first year?

UltimateBob on July 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM

The first major problem in MA was that in the first year the lack of doctors was truly exposed. Especially GPs.

myrenovations on July 30, 2009 at 1:18 PM

We’re all going to need to “ring some bells” when they come home for the recess. Republicans and Democraps alike, leave no rock unturned – that is where they will be hiding.

I say mini-Tea Parties at their hometown offices, one a week for the duration (3 weeks?). I know it’s summer – bring the kids, sell lemonade. It will make one heck of a “What I did on my summer vacation” essay.

gopmom on July 30, 2009 at 1:20 PM

The government-run healthcare scheme in Massachussets wasn’t exactly successful. Didn’t it go broke in the first year?

UltimateBob on July 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM

According to Mitt, it’s ‘on track’. What impresses me in that plan is that they take $ away from the hospitals and put it into the hands of uninsured so that they can buy insurance in the market place. No public option. Alos, they penalize ‘free riders’ via a tax surcharge if they can afford health care but refuse to buy it. Finally, though the don’t have a mechanism for containign costs as this is a national issue and one a State can’t have much effect on, there goal is to ‘break even’. I can live with a national verison based on these principles…plus tort reform.

DrW on July 30, 2009 at 1:22 PM

As Rush has said many times, they don’t need Republicans to pass this. They know it’s a crap sandwich and they don’t want only Democrat fingerprints on it when the bill comes due. They want the political cover of “bipartisanship”. As LibTired succinctly said, hey would claim that with only one Republican vote.
They are liars. It’s what they do.

SKYFOX on July 30, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Good to see the Republicans aren’t wasting this crisis.

Jim Treacher on July 30, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I say mini-Tea Parties at their hometown offices, one a week for the duration (3 weeks?). I know it’s summer – bring the kids, sell lemonade. It will make one heck of a “What I did on my summer vacation” essay.

gopmom on July 30, 2009 at 1:20 PM

See…Obambi is creating jobs already! LOL

Fighton03 on July 30, 2009 at 1:28 PM

We need to get rid of these old white men (of which I am one). I think we should “retire” all our Senators and Reps over 65 and replace them with women, African Americans, Asians, Hispanics to run for office (all Conservatives of course).

If we want to take back our government, we won’t do it with old white men.

huckleberryfriend on July 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Even if it is … who says we have to stand for it? They can pass bills until the cows come home but if the majority of Americans tell them to shove it and refuse to play,
There are always options … of course the most undesirable being saved for last.

darwin on July 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM

On the question: Do they work for us, or do we work for them? (thread)…

Who ultimately pays the bills?

Chainsaw56 on July 30, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Anyone see this article about the demthugs threatening Max Baucus with, of all things, a SECRET BALLOT to maybe vote him out of his chairmanship?

n an apparent warning to Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), some liberal Democrats have suggested a secret-ballot vote every two years on whether or not to strip committee chairmen of their gavels.

Baucus, who is more conservative than most of the Democratic Conference, has frustrated many of his liberal colleagues by negotiating for weeks with Republicans over healthcare reform without producing a bill or even much detail about the policies he is considering.

SouthernGent on July 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM

DrW

Comment from Megan McArdle article linked yesterday here. Rushbaby noted this comment. This dude is a resident of Mass and tells the specifics of why Mass healthcare sucks and is too expensive. Read it all. This guy knows and unfortunately may be have to pay for it by shipping out to Iraq.

JAM on July 30, 2009 at 2:10 PM

The progressive caucus, as of the moment, is not interested in any compromise that dilutes the public option. The stance for now among many progressives is an all or nothing strategy for public option/single-payer. It just keeps getting better.

Sorry, but the progressive caucus will take anything that comes out and claim victory. They will have their nose in the tent and within a very short period of time spin this thing into what they really want…single payer, get in line socialist style health care for the masses, but not for themselves. they are way to important and need “special care”…

blue1 on July 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM

The “Blue Dogs” did the country a major service on this one. Getting it delayed until after recess should put the final stake in it. The whole push was to get it through before people figured out what was in it. With two months to go before a vote it should be road kill.

duff65 on July 30, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Not to get off topic, but I was amazed at this comment:

MSM “unbiased” reporter: You can call Barney Frank a progressive, liberal or whatever, I call him someone who really knows his congressional district!

I call him a thief and a liar and a corrupt politician.

Christian Conservative on July 30, 2009 at 3:04 PM

And let’s not forget about TennCare (Tennessee’s socialized medicine experiment). That fiasco took that state to it’s knee’s.

Knucklehead on July 30, 2009 at 1:03 PM

How can I forget?

ladyingray on July 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM

we just to get this thing defeated once & for all. can’t they fix something before they break something else?

kelley in virginia on July 30, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Since when was government actually in the business of actually fixing things?

‘Government: If you think the problems we create are bad, wait until you see our solutions!’

Chaz706 on July 30, 2009 at 3:15 PM

If we want to take back our government, we won’t do it with old white men.

huckleberryfriend on July 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I agree. Give new blood a chance for a change!

Chaz706 on July 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Make the Dems own in. Do not allow for bipartisan, they did it too, blame.

- The Cat

MirCat on July 30, 2009 at 3:24 PM

If Republicans introduced their own bill and it got overweening support for moderates and other Blue Dog democrats, then it would be a major coup for the Republican party. This is what we need to rejuvenate our party and end or perpetual state of discombobulation.

Cr4sh Dummy on July 30, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Let the Democrats twist in the wind.

Terrye on July 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Hye get all the democrats
and FORCE them (like obama always does)
to Do their evil bidding..

veteranoutrage on July 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

So, how many people think that, if this exemption for small businesses with a payroll of $500,000 or less is passed that a _lot_ of small businesses will lay off people in order to get under that amount of payroll?

You want to talk about a skyrocket in unemployment, there it would be.

Theophile on July 31, 2009 at 5:05 AM