QALY QALY Oxen Free!
posted at 10:55 am on July 30, 2009 by King Banaian
First, thanks to Ed for the invitation to the Greenroom. It’s an honor to be here.
Over the last few days I’ve been posting on the use of QALY, the “quality-adjusted-life-year”. Rather than repost that entire dialog, which is quite long, let me summarize it here with links back to my blog if you want all the details.
At the end of my radio show (which follows Ed on Saturdays at AM 1280 in Minneapolis) I had challenged listeners to learn more about QALY. It is used by health care administrators and researchers to measure the benefit of a given medical procedure. The goal is to provide them with a common denominator in measuring benefits — how many years of life is expected to be gained in a patient if we give him this treatment? But the QA part says not all years are equal, nor is an additional year of life in a healthy 25-year-old male equivalent to that of a 55-year-old parapalegic female. You have to adjust for quality.
David Catron noted last week that in Britain in 1993, its “National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence” or NICE had determined that it could not spend more than $22,000 for a procedure that added 0.5 QALYs (that probably comes to about US$32,750 today.) As I explored that thought, what bothered me was that the decider of whose benefits and whose costs was the governments. To get economic decision-making right, the person who takes the benefits and pays the costs is the best positioned to make the right decision given they have good information. I wrote:
When anyone else makes the decision — let it be a neighbor, your rabbi, or a committee; it need not carry the name ‘government’ — they lack the knowledge needed to solve the problem. “If we can agree that the economic problem of society is mainly one of rapid adaptation to changes in the particular circumstances of time and place,” wrote Friedrich Hayek in The Use of Knowledge in Society, “it would seem to follow that the ultimate decisions must be left to the people who are familiar with these circumstances, who know directly of the relevant changes and of the resources immediately available to meet them.” That’s unlikely to be anybody sitting in Washington DC, when it comes to the care of my family in Minnesota.
So for example we’re told that half of medical costs come in the last year of life. But do we know when our last year of life is? Often not. My uncle was told he had Lou Gehrig’s disease and six months to one year to live; he made it seven years because he figured if he walked five miles a day his muscles wouldn’t have time to atrophy. When he stopped walking to grieve his mother’s death, the disease caught up. “Who knows when death may overtake me,” the hymn goes. Will the QALY cop know or care that my genetics are good (three grandparents live well into their 90s), or I’m from Minnesota where longevity is excellent and health care costs lower? Will they find out I smoke two cigars a day? And so what if they do?
The QALY calculus says there are two kinds of procedures: those for which the benefits exceed the cost, and those for whom the benefits fall short. But in fact there are many procedures where the benefits are probabilistic; treatment is neither necessary nor unnecessary. I explored the procedure of routine colonoscopies today, thinking about the decision and wait times in various countries, and the correlation to mortality rates from colon cancer. The important point is that QALY won’t save us money. In fact, it probably makes matters worse.
[W]hat does it mean to use a QALY calculation for a treatment that is neither necessary nor unnecessary? The political economy of that is difficult. No politician will want to be seen as funding some unnecessary procedures — that supposedly is why they want to have health care reform. But if colon cancer mortality rates start to reach British or European levels, those who pass Obamacare will not see power again for a very long time. Knowing that, they are likely instead to keep funding many of those middle-category procedures, just as they do now. Electoral outcomes are part of the cost-benefit analysis when government chooses your medical procedures.
I’ll continue this series the rest of the week, to try to answer the question that conservatives really do need to answer — if you don’t like the proposed Democrat reforms, what would you do instead? It is best to be proactive in this regard, since if you’re not you will be said to support the current system with all its warts. It undoubtedly has them.
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Deserving people should be rewarded. It is nice to see this happen.
burt on February 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM
America ALWAYS getshe government it deserves so excuse me for NOT being shocked that the CLUELESS democrats in Minnesota discovered they just sat on a barbwired enema tube.
Actions have consequences just as does lethargy.
DannoJyd on February 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM
To quote a now decades old movie “Welcome to the party, pal!”
Fynxbell on February 15, 2013 at 5:51 PM
Bend Forward!
DavidM on February 15, 2013 at 6:25 PM
Wisconsin definitely doesn’t want these business people moving in, especially that Taft guy. They would just bring their big government mindset with them. They still haven’t really learned the lesson that stupid people like them should have learned, they just think that it’s not fair that their businesses were affected.
AZfederalist on February 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Ah…of course. It’s Daddy’s business and this hippy dipstick inherited it and is in the process of running it into the ground. That’s pretty much the sissy/liberal model — born with money, happy to call for higher taxes…until.
Jaibones on February 15, 2013 at 8:25 PM
I’d tell him he can’t move. You wanted Dayton, now you got him. Live with it.
TulsAmerican on February 15, 2013 at 9:15 PM
You reap what you sow.
COgirl on February 15, 2013 at 11:03 PM
Better to move to the Dakotas. They have oil and gas and lower taxes. Also, if there is the “divorce”, they will be on the right side.
Mirimichi on February 16, 2013 at 1:22 AM
Higher taxes!
Oh wait, I thought that meant higher taxes for everyone else?
It’s very simple to understand. When you are frivolously spending, you very quickly run out of other people’s money.
Democrats can simply not deliver the utopia they’ve promised. It’s collapsing the economy and that destruction will continue until people realize it’s the big lie.
Look no further than states like Wisconsin and Texas for models that work.
Demonizing people doesn’t work when folks can look across the border and see how much better their neighbor is doing.
Marcus Traianus on February 16, 2013 at 6:41 AM
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/02/video-axelrod-dodges-the-better-off-four-years-ago-question/comment-page-1/#comments
rogerb on February 16, 2013 at 6:45 AM
I support Obama!–No wait!!!
You screwed yourselves and the rest of us along with you.
I don’t like you very much.
Sherman1864 on February 16, 2013 at 9:44 AM
Don’t worry libfree Governor Moonshine and the DFL plan on expanding our Sales tax as well. When corporations pay more in taxes they pass that expense on to their customers. Eventually the end user pays all of those expenses + profit or the business goes under. Voting DFL always means trickle down taxation.
jpmn on February 16, 2013 at 10:24 AM
Ah Minnesota Schadenfreude, brewed in the state, kept in secret dark liberal think tanks, only served at the start of a term in office and denied that they wanted it. Best served ice cold with a hint of hypocrisy to give that burst of irony. You wanted it Minnesota, now drink rhe Witches brew you voted for, as we laugh at the ” elections have consequences” reactions. Sweet for me but not for thee. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
stormridercx4 on February 16, 2013 at 12:31 PM
Great comment thread but I have to say this: I live in a 3rd ring suburb of the Mpls/St.Paul geography. I’ve watched the Dems leave Mpls and St. Paul b/c of crime and taxes. But they move out and continue to vote Democrat.
Either they’re too stupid to figure out it’s the Democrat policies that cause the problems or ?????? can’t think of anything else. But the worst is, those of us who “get it” get stuck with them and their fantasy world of a better city through OPP (other people’s money) in their new city.
Lefties will never get it – they won’t listen. During gun hearings this past week, the Dems left when challenged by people who understood what’s at stake with taking away our guns.
Then there’s our questionable elections but not for today.
MN J on February 16, 2013 at 10:35 PM
If things are that bad, MOVE! I did when I discovered there was no way I could have an actual life in Illinois, and my family thinks it was the best idea I’ve ever had, while my friends still in ChiTcago think I was nuts to do so.
Today they remain cowering in their overpriced shacks scared that today will be THE DAY they are attacked by the criminal element there. The mere thought of a firearm scars them as well.
DannoJyd on February 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM
‘Ones Demise is always one’s own making’
Hello Voters… You’re screwed! Guess who’s to blame!?
I’ll give you a hint: there’s a bullet sized hole in your shoe and there’s a smoking gun in your hand.
Chaz706 on February 17, 2013 at 1:31 AM
It is great to see another Blue State going down the same crapper as my own native state of California. Just keep voting Democrat, people. That will equal high taxes, a terrible business climate, and a bankrupt state. That must be the “attributes” that this hippie whack-job wants.
Rogervzv on February 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Yet, after the 2008 campaign of Hope and Change, and four years of destroying the republic, topped with 2012 campaign of Forward, ole JugEars earns fore more years to complete his destruction of the US.
Way to go, Libs.
socalcon on February 17, 2013 at 9:45 PM
The Captain Louis Renault award is off base.
Captain Louis Renault was handed his winnings at the end. The productive people of Minnesota are being handed the bill.
krome on February 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM
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