Pelosi goes nuts: Villainous, immoral insurance companies are the problem

posted at 2:15 pm on July 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

Good stuff. Take one of the most unpopular politicians in America, have her go off half-cocked in a crude attempt to satisfy Democratic demands for a villain to demagogue in selling ObamaCare, then wait for the backlash. Bonus points for using the same Orwellian rhetorical device Paul Ryan called Katrina Vanden Heuvel on last night, namely, exploiting the language of competition to push one of the most anti-competitive domestic measures in American history.

For sheer comic alarmism, this is topped only by The One’s warning at last week’s presser that greedy doctors are after your tonsils. But remember, you’re the ones who are fearmongering.

“They are the villains in this,” Pelosi said of private insurers. “They have been part of the problem in a major way. They are doing everything in their power to stop a public option from happening. And the public has to know that. They can disguise their arguments any way they want, but the fact is that they don’t want the competition.”…

“It’s almost immoral what they are doing,” added Pelosi, who stood outside her office long after her press conference ended to continue speaking to reporters, even as aides tried in vain to usher her inside. “Of course they’ve been immoral all along in how they have treated the people that they insure with pre-existing conditions, you know, the litany of it all.”

Translation: Private insurers are selfishly defending themselves from a statist boondoggle that’ll likely drive them out of business and create a government monopoly. I can’t believe it’s come to this, but Yale Law prof Stephen Carter was so distressed by Democratic attacks on nefarious profit-seekers that he felt obliged to write an op-ed this morning reminding America that profits are actually a good thing:

High profits are excellent news. When corporate earnings reach record levels, we should be celebrating. The only way a firm can make money is to sell people what they want at a price they are willing to pay. If a firm makes lots of money, lots of people are getting what they want.

To the country, profit is a benefit. Record profit means record taxes paid. But put that aside. When profits are high, firms are able to reinvest, expand and hire. And profits accrue to the benefit of those who own stocks: overwhelmingly, pension funds and mutual funds. In other words, high corporate profits today signal better retirements tomorrow.

Another reason to celebrate profit is the incentive it creates. When profits can be made, entrepreneurs provide more of needed goods and services…

We want health care to be cheaper, and the for-profit health-care industry has every incentive to make it so. Supporters of the public option tout Medicare’s cost advantages over private insurance, but those are largely obtained by setting below-market reimbursement rates for medical services (meaning that private patients subsidize Medicare patients). Moreover, the costs of compliance with the hundreds of pages of Medicare regulations are also transferred to the providers, and thus, again, to private patients.

Below for your amusement, via Greg Hengler, a meeting of the minds on what must be done to rescue America from the immoral villains who are bleeding us dry by providing needed coverage. Provocative exit question via James Pethokoukis: Is ObamaCare turning into … RomneyCare?

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Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM

You obviously got a stinker. Are or did you get a new provider? Somehow I doubt that the people who run the Congress are going to be any better at giving us prompt customer satisfaction.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Maybe unitedhealthcare is just a rotten company. All I know is that the only time I had a big bill, I nearly got stiffed.

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM

She needs to get laid. Big time.

lorien1973 on July 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM
So do jellyfish. I don’t see any volunteers.

LibTired on July 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I think Pelosi spawns like coral………

Seven Percent Solution on July 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM

great
im done for

blatantblue on July 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Yeah…too dangerous to leave the house, to dangerous to stay…

ladyingray on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

And yet people in CT – home to the insurance industry – votes Democrat overwhelmingly every two years.

Can’t fight stupid.

angryed on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Who cares if Romney only gets a little support on here. This is hardly a 100% replication of the GOP primary base.

If HotAir was an accurate representation John McCain surely wouldn’t have gotten the nom last time.

therightwinger on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Terry, I’ve got United through Textron. My plan from them has no restrictions.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

You obviously got a stinker. Are or did you get a new provider? Somehow I doubt that the people who run the Congress are going to be any better at giving us prompt customer satisfaction.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM

I hope it was just a rotten provider. I’m not saying gov’t coverage would be any better. I just don’t think you can think of insurance companies as saints. They are profit driven. They don’t make huge profits by just handing money back to their customers.

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM

You know, it would be in the GOPs best interest to hire someone to follow Pelosi around 24/7 with a camera and a microphone. And then mix what she says in with some of Biden’s goofs and Obama’s er uhms and use it for a commercial. Toss in their poll numbers…play it from now until 2012 and watch them bury themselves!

scalleywag on July 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Yeah but I’m drinking Sam Adams. Surely I could find a sympathetic bee. Must be Coors guys.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 30, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Oh well, I guess it could’ve been some angry Cornhuskers. Now, Sooners, I’d be more than happy to pee on them.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM

They are profit driven. They don’t make huge profits by just handing money back to their customers.

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM

What? A business trying to make a profit? The horror…the humanity…

…the capitalism….

ladyingray on July 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I’ve been undergoing some medical procedures for the past 5 weeks that cost about $500 a pop. Cost to me? Zero. Monday I’ve got a skin graft scheduled. Pretty expensive procedure. Cost to me? $75 facility fee and $25 co-pay for the doc. Why in god’s name would I want the government to take over as my primary insurance carrier? I’d rather stick with my villainous one thank you very much Speaker Botox.

sdd on July 30, 2009 at 3:24 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on July 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Long as you didn’t peek, I would join you. LOL

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 30, 2009 at 3:24 PM

What? A business trying to make a profit? The horror…the humanity…

…the capitalism….

ladyingray on July 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Yeah except we aren’t talking about your car warranty.

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:25 PM

sdd on July 30, 2009 at 3:24 PM

good luck with your procedures

blatantblue on July 30, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Nancy – when you go in for next month’s tightening, make sure the doctor can slide a playing card in between your skin and your skull.

Since she proposed the Bo-Tax she’s dropped the visits to her plastic surgeon. She just sticks a coat-hanger in ger mouth instead.

VoyskaPVO on July 30, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:17 PM

My wife had some complications birthin’ our baby. Total bill including hospital stay, doctors, drugs, surgery, anesthesiologists etc was $28K and change. We paid $1600, insurance paid or wrote off the rest. I really cannot complain.

angryed on July 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM

She needs to get laid. Big time.

lorien1973 on July 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM

HAH not even on a hog night. The pot is yours to take.

bloviator on July 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Someone has to say it. Grandma has to retire gracefully and enjoy time with the family. 70 years old and getting crankier by the day due to job stresses serves no one.
Do the right thing Nancy, go home.

FireBlogger on July 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 30, 2009 at 3:24 PM

True story. Back in my college days, my brother and I were in a bar bathroom, at the divided urinals. I felt a stream hitting my right foot. Yup, my brother was peeing on it. Right before I was going to suffer him some massive retaliation, I saw that he was wearing a pair of my shoes.

It’s been downhill ever since.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Yeah except we aren’t talking about your car warranty.

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Why should insurance companies not make a profit?

ladyingray on July 30, 2009 at 3:30 PM

I had United for awhile, but now we are with Starmark. I have only made two claims in about a decade, so I really do not know how they would pay.

As far as Pelosi is concerned, the woman is insane. What is the next big American industry these people intend to destroy? Are we going to get rid of individual farmers and go to state collectives in the name of cheap food?

Terrye on July 30, 2009 at 3:30 PM

This is a great opportunity for Republicans to hit Nancy right back on her trial lawyer pals. Why is there nothing in her bill that addresses Tort Reform? Are Democrats saying this simply isn’t an issue?

Two can play the blame game and let’s see how much support there is for the Democrat’s butt buddies. My guess is not much.

RadClown on July 30, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I really cannot complain.

angryed on July 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM

I can’t complain about mine, either.

ladyingray on July 30, 2009 at 3:31 PM

love the name!
lol katy the mean old lady

i picture you on a front deck yelling at kids that aren’t there

blatantblue on July 30, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Not there quite yet. Don’t blow my cover though.Actually, most of the kids in the Fort Lauderdale/Pompano area are very nice.Lots of please and thank you from strange children.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM

I have heard of people having problems when the insurance company thought that another entity should be responsible (car accident with other driver at fault) but that should be figured out after the policy holder is taken care of. Glad you are okay now.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Terry:

So what if you are not talking about a car warranty? It is a business. Nothing wrong with that.

Terrye on July 30, 2009 at 3:33 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on July 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM

LMAO.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 30, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Sorry in advance, but she epitomizes the “elitist bizautch”

ReaganConservative3 on July 30, 2009 at 3:34 PM

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 3:32

I always need a good spanking from a mean lady!

Haw haw haw

blatantblue on July 30, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Is this where Hornetsting comes on an says,

“Nancy, Pot meet Kettle.”

Seriously, doesn’t Nancy have to kiss the Pope’s ring a few more times before she can even utter the “m-word?”

Upstater85 on July 30, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Remember…Nancy is 2nd in line to succeed to the presidency. Right behind Joe Biden and just in front of Robert Byrd. Now if those three don’t scare you nothing will.

sdd on July 30, 2009 at 3:38 PM

She needs to get laid. Big time.
lorien1973 on July 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Yeah but first she needs to form a committee, arrange breakout sessions, get a committee vote, call a quorum, debate the final draft proposal and demand a floor vote.

Why do you think her husband stays on the West Coast?

FireBlogger on July 30, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Pelosi is looking to profit any way she can too.

This makes the scumbag b1tch just as evil as she thinks free market capitalist insurance companies are.

I have no problem with any company making profits, even high profits such as insurance companies and oil companies make, the only problem I have with insurance companies is the bad faith in the claims area such as exhibited with the largest of insurance companies (Allstate, State Farm, etc.)

This is why I applaud Michigan for FINALLY introducing penalties for insurance companies operating in bad faith. This legislation needs to be passed, and ASAP.

Spiritk9 on July 30, 2009 at 3:40 PM

You forgot a ‘thump’. 18 wheelers have five axles.

Limerick on July 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Totally correct! Sorry, I took a much needed day off and started knocking back the Bud.
See, I told my parents!Less time with Latin and a course in auto/truck mechanics. I could have been a contender. Not to mention richer.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 3:41 PM

She needs to get laid. Big time.
lorien1973 on July 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Agree, but not in the biblical sense. I say her next lay should be in a coffin.

Spiritk9 on July 30, 2009 at 3:41 PM

I just don’t think you can think of insurance companies as saints

And this is true. I’d agree here. I’ve had my battles with insurance companies. . . some of my battles I’ve lost and paid dearly for. But I’m not against Obamacare because insurance companies are saints.

Insurance companies are regulated by the law. They will do what the law tells them they have to do. That’s how they are set up. If they don’t, you can sue. . . and people do.

The government won’t make anything any better, and they’ll likely make things much worse.

ThackerAgency on July 30, 2009 at 3:42 PM

RadClown:

Well you see, it is perfectly okay for trial lawyers to make a profit, the bigger the better.

Terrye on July 30, 2009 at 3:43 PM

I always need a good spanking from a mean lady!

Haw haw haw

blatantblue on July 30, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Snort,giggle,blush! I AM to old to be breaking in new talent.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM

I’m sure that many of us would pay for a video of Melt-down Pelosi. Please,please!

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 3:47 PM

You people are FEARMONGERERERERES!

/sarc

scalleywag on July 30, 2009 at 3:48 PM

You actually question that? Simple answer, MSM.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 30, 2009 at 3:11 PM

ALL our institutions are controlled by liberals. But let’s hope there’s a god in heaven, or karma, or whatever. Hopefully, the state run media will fail financially and the CIA can find something to burn Panetta and Pelosi with.

JiangxiDad on July 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM

What’s the blogospere doing about it? There are blogs & conservative republican writers in the main stream media that have also dropped the ball correct? This CIA story relating to Pelosi needs to be followed all the way through. This should have been Pelosi’s career ending misspeak. How many Speaker’s of the house of representatives have stepped down over a less controversial issue? What is it going to take to remove this one? All that really needs to be done is have a list made of all her devastating economic policies against the American people along with this undermining of our national security by questioning the credibility of the CIA.
In 1989, Jim Wright of Texas stepped down as Speaker of the House amid ethics complaints alone. I would think that undermining the credibility of the CIA to do their job of national security of our nation much higher on the ladder for a Speaker’s dismissal.

Americannodash on July 30, 2009 at 3:48 PM

If HotAir was an accurate representation John McCain surely wouldn’t have gotten the nom last time.

therightwinger on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

McCain got nominated because Democrats voted in the Republican’s ridiculous open primaries.

TMK on July 30, 2009 at 3:49 PM

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM

never too old
and who said anything about new talent

blatantblue on July 30, 2009 at 3:49 PM

I AM to old to be breaking in new talent.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM

After we reach a certain age we just want to ride and not waste our time breaking in the new stock.
-_-

thomasaur on July 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM

What is new is what has been forgotten.

Hilary gave the same excuse and blamed the same industry when she failed to create a national health care solution.

Hening on July 30, 2009 at 3:52 PM

And the Wicked Witch of the West cackled, “I’ll get you yet, my pretty”..as she got on her broom stick to go back to her office.

d1carter on July 30, 2009 at 3:52 PM

You people are FEARMONGERERERERES!

/sarc

scalleywag on July 30, 2009 at 3:48 PM

and racists….

Hening on July 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Americannodash on July 30, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Silver bullet or stake through the heart probably can’t do it.
Can’t believe thi nust is from my hometown of Bawlmer.There were always crazies,but non-evil crazies.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 3:56 PM

thomasaur on July 30, 2009 at 3:50

i don’t need to be trained

.
.
I take that back

blatantblue on July 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Yeah but I’m drinking Sam Adams. Surely I could find a sympathetic bee. Must be Coors guys.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 30, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Must be liberal bees. Are they yellow?

MarkABinVA on July 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:25 PM

The problem with the system isn’t too much capitalism, it’s too little. The insurance companies are the only player in health care that has any real incentive to reduce costs, as it is their money that’s directly paying for services. And the Democrats want to remove even that. If we brought the patients into it, it would provide more pressure to reduce costs and increase service. Part of the problem is the state mandates for coverage. If they were freer to offer differing and lest costly coverage, that would solve a multitude of problems with lack of coverage and access.

The last great experiment in cost reduction, HMOs, are excoriated for their arbitrary decisions not to pay for care. The Democrats plan is a government funded and run version of that – complete with cost/benefit ratios and coverage denial. Is that what you want? Barring the easy DMV service comparison, bringing political considerations into the health care mix (more than we have now, anyway) will cause more problems than it solves. TANSTAAFL.

JeffWeimer on July 30, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Must be liberal bees. Are they yellow?

MarkABinVA on July 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Of course, not to mention the yellow jackets. LOL

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 30, 2009 at 4:05 PM

guarantee that too many people give up before that time, and in the meantime hospital bills are due.

Terry Silver on July 30, 2009 at 3:13 PM

It’s also true that every company has bad eggs. You may have had the misfortune of getting the attention of some overzealous accountant.

I know I occaisionally get the runaround from my provider, but overall they’ve been good when I’ve needed them.

I wonder- UnitedHealthCare provides a lot of insurance for individuals, not company plans. Do you fall into that category? It may be that they treat individual planholders differently than folks who are on a plan with 1,600 members, like me.

hawksruleva on July 30, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Silver bullet or stake through the heart probably can’t do it.
Can’t believe thi nust is from my hometown of Bawlmer.There were always crazies,but non-evil crazies.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Run that by me again in english this time and try to leave out the vampire lingo. The subject was Pelosi saying that the “CIA lies to congress.” Pelosi has yet to give any evidence of that accusation. Why hasn’t that story about her misspeak been followed up on to either a retraction of that statement from her or evidence she has that supports her claim?

Americannodash on July 30, 2009 at 4:08 PM

The last great experiment in cost reduction, HMOs, are excoriated for their arbitrary decisions not to pay for care. The Democrats plan is a government funded and run version of that – complete with cost/benefit ratios and coverage denial. Is that what you want? Barring the easy DMV service comparison, bringing political considerations into the health care mix (more than we have now, anyway) will cause more problems than it solves. TANSTAAFL.

JeffWeimer on July 30, 2009 at 4:02 PM

And… to complete the story, and plan… HMOs got clobbered in COURT, so this bill will make sure you can’t SUE the new Gov run health plan.

So, everyone will have a voice in this plan, except the people.

Romeo13 on July 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Who, pray tell, doesn’t have a right to health care in this country?

Last I checked, everyone here, including illegals and foreigners, has a “right” to obtain our health care.

We need to stomp this deceptive language out when we see it. I’m surprised Bill O let Ray get away with that lie.

PBoilermaker on July 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Correct, this is no longer about healthcare. It’s about health insurance companies and doctors having control when the gov wants it.

- The Cat

MirCat on July 30, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Who, pray tell, doesn’t have a right access to health care in this country?

PBoilermaker on July 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Health care is not a right. I think you’d agree. Rights generally don’t come with financial costs. More accurately, we’d LIKE everyone to have some minimum level of health care. But it’s not a right any more than there’s a right to coffe (or Mt. Dew) in the morning.

And the sick, twisted part is, if you DID establish a right to health care, the current plan would be unconstitutional, because it will deprive some people of their right to health care, if that care is deemed non cost-effective.

hawksruleva on July 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Democrats are actually against private companies making profits and they take offense to being called socialists?

Scrappy on July 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM

You know, if the dems would be satisfied with offering a bare-bones, catastrophic coverage plan, and then mandating that people join that plan if they can’t/won’t shell out for a better, private plan, that would be OK. But of course they can’t control themselves …

funky chicken on July 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM

These idiots will be defeated . . . maybe now, maybe later, but they will be defeated and run out of office.

rplat on July 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

ok, I’m not as smart as a lot of you here. I don’t want govt run healthcare. However, I’m 50 and self employed. I have Blue Cross of GA and boy do I pay! Last year, my monthly premium was $430 (single coverage). This year, they upped my monthly premium to $550. I didn’t put in a single claim last year. And, when I signed up for it a year ago (coming off COBRA) they said that any preexisting condition would not be covered for 5 years. I have a $5,000 yearly deductible and a $200/year prescription deductible. Got to say, the only benefit this gives me is a tax deduction in April. I took out the insurance because I don’t want to lose my pitiful savings should anything bad happen with my health. The preexisting condition clauses make you want to LIE to them and, it makes you want to never tell your doctor about health problems, because you know it goes in your medical records and will be reported should you ever need to change insurance. Also, insurance companies can up your rates if you DO get sick, or even worse, discontinue your coverage.

So, when I hear people say that people are happy with their healthcare, I just want to explode. I wish they wouldn’t attempt to speak for me. I don’t think there is any easy answer to this whole problem and I haven’t heard anyone offer one. Govt run healthcare is NOT the answer. Its also going to put a lot of people out of work – I’m a medical transcriptionist (over 15 years) and I just can’t see any future in this field for me if this goes through.

fullogas on July 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM

“They are the villains in this,” Pelosi said of private insurers.
“It’s almost immoral what they are doing,” added Pelosi,

Obama has already addressed this tactic:


“These folks need to stop scaring everybody!!!”

Barack Obama,
Raleigh,2009

Is anybody in this pathetic Obama administration on the same page.

Baxter Greene on July 30, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Yeah there is something to this “pre-existing” condition thing going on. It’s not the issue the Dems think it is apparently.

Rush had a caller yesterday – a lady in the medical insurance business. She claimed that insurance companies could only deny pre-existing condition coverage for a max of 12 months or 18 months if you signed up for the coverage late.

HIPAA Law.

And … if you had qualifying coverage for the previous 12 months – they can’t deny you at all.

So … you can switch jobs – and you have to be covered immediately by your new plan if you maintained health care at your old job for the last 12 months. And if you didn’t – the longest you can wait is 12 months before they have to cover you.

I checked the law – it appears she was right.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2009 at 2:37 PM

That’s also my understanding of the law. I’ve been amazed at the misinformation being put out by Congress and Obama. The insurance companies need to start fighting back while they still can.

mbs on July 30, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Who, pray tell, doesn’t have a right to health care in this country?

Last I checked, everyone here, including illegals and foreigners, has a “right” to obtain our health care.

We need to stomp this deceptive language out when we see it. I’m surprised Bill O let Ray get away with that lie.

PBoilermaker on July 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Somehow politicians have changed the term “right to” meaning the government must provide it for you., not that you are free to pursue it for yourself.

By that logic the 2nd amendment “right to bear arms” would mean that the government would have to buy everyone a gun (no doubt they would tax the hell out of ammunition)

Scrappy on July 30, 2009 at 4:30 PM

at near 70, Pelosi would be on her 2nd mandatory end of life counseling session about right now. Come on Nancy, do the patriotic thing for the sake of our nation.

gatorboy on July 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Okay, I believe the law may vary by state on preexisting conditions if you have an individual policy, but if you get your insurance through your job and you don’t have any gap in coverage, then the insurer cannot refuse to cover the preexisting condition, but I could be wrong:

Most health plans impose a pre-existing condition exclusion period on new enrollees. If you get your coverage through your job, this exclusion period can be no longer than 12 months. If you have an individual health insurance policy, the rules limiting the length of pre-existing conditions vary by state. Some states limit the exclusion period to 12 months, while others allow it to run for 18 months, 24 months or even longer. In some states, individual health insurance policies may also include riders, permanently excluding coverage for a pre-existing condition.

mbs on July 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Click here to see the Health Care Reform talking points she has issued to prep reps for Town Hall Meetings around the country.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=44572

Too bad she doesn’t have a Town Hall Meeting scheduled for her voters in San Francisco!

Call her office to let her know that her voters deserve a Town Hall Meeting too!

wren on July 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM

fullogas on July 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM

You’re stuck in the same sitation, that will continue under the current plan.

They need to give individuals the exact same tax breaks they give companies for health insurance.

They then need to divorce the entire Pool idea… where a company gets Price breaks an individual does not.

Do those two things and the system is MUCH fairer to the self employed.

Romeo13 on July 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM

My neighbor had problems with her insurance company. She had cancer, was very sick, and receiving chemo. While she was sick, she did not keep up with her mail. Every year, her ins. company (through her husband’s former employer) would make them choose a plan. If no choice, they chose it for them. She made no choice. They switched it. Where she was receiving her chemo would not treat her unless she paid 3k because her claim was rejected. She didn’t want to change doctors, hospitals, outpatient, etc., of course, and they wouldn’t let her change back for a year.

Everybody kept saying it was someone else’s fault and to call them. Which I did. When I figured out that they switched her because she had not responded, I argued that they knew she was ill and being treated. If someone was in a coma, would they change their coverage because they didn’t respond, too? They should have called her.

Anyway, I got the you must call the hospital, doctor, etc. It’s a ruse to get you off the phone. Refuse. I was on the phone for about a half hour and then for 2 1/2 hours when I refused to hang up. Finally, she asked to speak to my neighbor (I listened in). They said it was all my fault blah blah blah I misunderstood blah blah blah. Right. They already gave my neighbor and me the run around why they wouldn’t pay. It was only when I refused to be sent on the wild goose chase for a third time, and refused to hang up they agreed to switch back her plan and pay the claim. I wore them down.

They can’t hang up on you. If you have a state insurance commissioner, work it into the conversation. DON’T HANG UP. Anyway, she kept her plan, they paid the past claim, and my ear still hurts.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Run that by me again in english this time and try to leave out the vampire lingo. The subject was Pelosi saying that the “CIA lies to congress.” Pelosi has yet to give any evidence of that accusation. Why hasn’t that story about her misspeak been followed up on to either a retraction of that statement from her or evidence she has that supports her claim?

Americannodash on July 30, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Sorry, I thought the thread was about the Pelosi melt-down.Take a breath already

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

fullogas on July 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM

So if the government offered a $250 a month catastrophic plan, you’d be happy to join it? You’d get zero help with prescriptions or office visits but wouldn’t be wiped out if you get caught in a health crisis…

I’m honestly not opposed to something like that, as long as enrollees understand what they’re signing up for.

funky chicken on July 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Also, insurance companies can up your rates if you DO get sick, or even worse, discontinue your coverage.

Nobody is saying that it isn’t expensive. Every state has their own thing. I can probably find you a better plan, or probably an HSA would help you lower costs as well.

Your problem this year is that you went up in age bracket. What that means is insurance companies base their rates on age brackets. They generally are in 5 year increments. You hit 50 and got both the annual increase and the age increase. (all of this is based on statistics and numbers based on expenses for people in that age group).

In most states it is against the law to raise rates or drop coverage if you get sick. Auto insurance companies can change your rate independently for an accident or ticket, medical insurance companies can’t. (Blue Cross of CA got sued a bundle for doing that less than 5 years ago).

The only way they can discontinue your coverage is if they discontinue it for everyone or go out of business.

call me and I’ll give you other quotes that will probably save you money. Check the link. It is to my sister page short-termhealthinsurance.com but my main page with full benefit policies is on thackeragency.com

ThackerAgency on July 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Your neighbor is lucky to have you. Gosh knows what gets by seniors.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Okay, I believe the law may vary by state on preexisting conditions if you have an individual policy, but if you get your insurance through your job and you don’t have any gap in coverage, then the insurer cannot refuse to cover the preexisting condition, but I could be wrong:

true. max pre-existing exclusion period is 12 mo.

gatorboy on July 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM

at near 70, Pelosi would be on her 2nd mandatory end of life counseling session about right now. Come on Nancy, do the patriotic thing for the sake of our nation.

gatorboy on July 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM

That would be right except Pelosi and the rest of Congress, and federal employees don’t have to use the plan they want to shove on us. They will keep private insurance.

darwin on July 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

So if the government offered a $250 a month catastrophic plan, you’d be happy to join it? You’d get zero help with prescriptions or office visits but wouldn’t be wiped out if you get caught in a health crisis…

I’m honestly not opposed to something like that, as long as enrollees understand what they’re signing up for.

funky chicken on July 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Not if the government got to define what qualifies as a catastrophe.

Scrappy on July 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

I’m a medical transcriptionist (over 15 years) and I just can’t see any future in this field for me if this goes through.

fullogas on July 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM

The stability of your job will only remain if the issue TORT reform is addressed. The spiraling cost of any insurance industry is driven by businesseses passing along the incurred cost of those settlements to the end user. Those settlements are either out of court actions to supress findings or large judgements by the courts themselves. The only winners in lawsuits are the lawyers. They get paid whether they win or not. Sueing the medical professionals has become so lucritive that a majority of attorney’s have made it their specialty. All you to is look at the character of one of its famous ambulance chasers — former senator John Edwards.

Americannodash on July 30, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 4:36 PM

My mom used to do that for her job as an RN administrator for a hospital. She said medicare and medicaid are much more difficult to deal with than private insurance companies…and private companies suck.

funky chicken on July 30, 2009 at 4:43 PM

fullogas on July 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Do you have a pension plan with any of your former employers? If so, you may be able to retire early (all this means is that you monthly pension is smaller) and take advantage of the insurance plans they offer.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM

She is one crazy bit ch.

Jaibones on July 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM

They can’t hang up on you. If you have a state insurance commissioner, work it into the conversation. DON’T HANG UP. Anyway, she kept her plan, they paid the past claim, and my ear still hurts.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 4:36 PM

the moral to this story is THEY PAID. They likely paid at least 1/4 million dollars for her treatment. Hopefully she got well.

Your story makes it seem like the insurance companies were evil. They didn’t know why she didn’t choose a plan. . . but THEY PAID. That’s the point. . . THEY PAID.

Repeat after me. . . there was a clerical error that caused your friend to have her insurance switched. They didn’t legally have to pay her bill. . . but THEY PAID.

One more time, the moral to your story is THE INSURANCE COMPANY PAID.

ThackerAgency on July 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Gosh knows what gets by seniors.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

I don’t consider myself insurance saavy. However, anyone who is sick or scared is vulnerable and they need someone to run interference for them.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Scrappy on July 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

It would have to be defined in the plan. Probably something with total bills over a certain amount (5,000, 10,000 dollars?) and for lowest cost coverage perhaps a cap of $100,000 per year or something.

Remember, folks would be signing up for the cheaper government plan by choice, and you get what you pay for.

funky chicken on July 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

The Evil Insurance Companies hmmmm they have money to lobby and spend on national televised commercials. Nancy, Nancy, Nancy you get to pretend like you are in charge. Careful Sissy, haven’t you ever watched a John Grisham movie? It’s obvious she hasn’t watched any Tom Clancy Movies, the way she baited the C.I.A. I bet they have forgiven and forgotten all about her calling them liars Tee Hee.

Dr Evil on July 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Too bad she doesn’t have a Town Hall Meeting scheduled for her voters in San Francisco!

Call her office to let her know that her voters deserve a Town Hall Meeting too!

wren on July 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Why honey, she probably has some major surgery scheduled.
!. remove head from a$$
2.lift it
This is a VERY important person. She doesn’t have time to deal with her dumba$$ constituents.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Supporters of the public option tout Medicare’s cost advantages over private insurance, but those are largely obtained by setting below-market reimbursement rates for medical services (meaning that private patients subsidize Medicare patients).

This raises an interesting point. Since Medicare’s underpayments require an increase in charges to private patients, that forces an even greater disparity in the price differences.

JadeNYU on July 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Romeo13 on July 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM

I didn’t think about that, thanks!

JeffWeimer on July 30, 2009 at 4:57 PM

To: katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

I wish the voters of San Francisco understood that this is exactly what Nancy thinks of them!

wren on July 30, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Gosh knows what gets by seniors.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

I don’t consider myself insurance saavy. However, anyone who is sick or scared is vulnerable and they need someone to run interference for them.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

My mother is a retired federal employee. She is blind with terror that the Republicans are going to get elected and take all her benefits away. The Democrats told her so.

Hening on July 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM

the moral to this story is THEY PAID. They likely paid at least 1/4 million dollars for her treatment. Hopefully she got well.

Only when forced to, otherwise, they WOULD NOT HAVE PAID. And, no, she died 7 months later.

Your story makes it seem like the insurance companies were evil. They didn’t know why she didn’t choose a plan. . . but THEY PAID. That’s the point. . . THEY PAID.

I didn’t say they were evil. You did. They were unreasonable and were TRYING TO NOT PAY. It is unreasonable to change people’s insurance plans once a year. If they make no choice, then don’t change it on them. They knew damn well how sick she was. And again, THEY TRIED TO NOT PAY AND FORCE HER INTO A DIFFERENT PLAN WITH DIFFERENT DOCTORS AND A DIFFERENT HOSPITAL.

Repeat after me. . . there was a clerical error that caused your friend to have her insurance switched. They didn’t legally have to pay her bill. . . but THEY PAID.

No, you repeat after me: It was not a clerical error — it was intentional on their part. And when it was brought to their attention, they stonewalled hard. And frankly, I think legally they did have to pay her bill because they were unnecessarily unreasonable to her detriment and their benefit.

One more time, the moral to your story is THE INSURANCE COMPANY PAID.

ThackerAgency on July 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

One more time, the moral to the story is that THEY WOULD NOT HAVE PAID IF I HAD NOT STEPPED IN AND FIGURED OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AND HOW TO MAKE THEM HONOR THEIR OBLIGATION. IT IS UNFAIR TO TREAT SICK PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 4:59 PM

My mother is a retired federal employee. She is blind with terror that the Republicans are going to get elected and take all her benefits away. The Democrats told her so.

Hening on July 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Only if her federal pension plan insurance goes with the democrat public plan. I think they call it re-insurance or something. Then the Democrats will be able to limit and ration her care and she will get a visit from her friendly end of life Acorn representative.

I bet the Acorn people get paid by the number of DNR they come back with. LOL

Blake on July 30, 2009 at 5:02 PM

izoneguy goes nuts: Villainous, immoral government is the problem

izoneguy on July 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Maybe unitedhealthcare is just a rotten company. All I know is that the only time I had a big bill, I nearly got stiffed.

United was successfully sued in a class-action suit a while back for using a database that deliberately underestimated payments to doctors and hospitals so they could skim money off of Medicare reimbursements they received from the Feds. In some cases, they pocketed as much as 25% of what they were supposed to be paying out to health providers.

I have several friends at United, and they tell me it’s the worst company they’ve ever worked for. The health care plan they offer their own employees is a joke.

Mr. Bali Hai on July 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I have been away from the radio all day,believe me I had rush withdrawal,but this headline made everything okay.Her arrogance as well as all the other dems. up there is their downfall.They are crumbling and that is sweeter than southern sweet tea baby!!:):)and makes being away worth it!

ohiobabe on July 30, 2009 at 5:09 PM

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