ObamaCare: We’ve only just begun

posted at 2:55 pm on July 30, 2009 by Karl

Yesterday, Pres. Obama’s proposed takeover of the US healthcare system took hits in polling from from NPR, TIME, Gallup, NBC/WSJ and the New York Times. Today’s Pew poll is about as bad.

The Hill and Politico report on the Congressional Progressive Caucus threatening to bolt over the deal their leaders forged with the Blue Dogs — and that is over the supposed substance, not the delay for a vote by the full House until September, when time is so clearly the Democrats’ enemy.

The emerging proposal from the bipartisan “gang of six” Senate Finance Committee negotiators that would drop a government-run insurance plan caused wailing and gnashing of teeth throughout the Leftosphere. Matt Taibbi, Scott Lemieux and Howard Dean are good examples, though Jane Hamsher attacking Ezra Klein as insufficiently dogmatic may be my favorite. Moreover, it seems that a bipartisan proposal will not emerge before Congress goes on August recess.

Grading Pres. Obama’s efforts to sell healthcare reform, Lefty blogger Nate Sliver gives The One a B+, a D+, a D- and two Fs. President Obama’s AARP town hall showed a man clearly on the defensive. It is thus no surprise that Obama plans to retool his rhetoric — though 8 bullet points, pitched mostly at the insured (who are overwhelmingly happy with their coverage already) are unlikely to change the field much.

All (or most) of the above news can cheer the Right, but the Right cannot lose sight of the larger picture, which remains pretty gloomy. Chuck Grassley, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, still thinks the odds of sticking us with some healthcare bill are very good, as does Rep. Mike Ross, chairman of the health-care task force for the Blue Dog Coalition in the House. Killing the public plan would be a mostly symbolic victory — essential, but not enough to prevent government-run health care.

Accordingly, when conservatives and libertarians press their elected representatives during the August recess, they should make clear that dropping the public plan is necessary, but not sufficient. Our representatives need to be told that Fannie Med co-ops are just as unacceptable as a government insurance plan.

The point should be driven home that government-run healthcare schemes with most of the same elements now being discussed have been proven disasters in Tennessee, Maine and most of all Massachusetts, which has been judged a failure by everyone from Reason to the Boston Globe. The pattern is always similar — costs soar out of control, which in turn pushes government to reduce benefits or payments to doctors and hospitals (pushing them to skimp on care). Our representatives need to be told that these schemes inevitably lead not only to government-rationed care, but the death of the medical innovation.

Our representatives need to be told that as much as we do not want a public plan, we do not want a Health Choices Czar imposing costly mandates (like the guaranteed issue mandate that nearly doubled insurance premiums in New Jersey), driving people into government-run health exchanges and interfering with our right to choose our own doctors.

Centrist Democrats are going to be pressured by their progressive colleagues and the punditocracy to cave in, to support — or at east not filibuster — whatever final bill gets cooked up in a backroom House-Senate conference. They are going to get told that the failure of Hillarycare in 1994 led to the GOP electoral tsunami that year. Centrist Democrats need to be reminded that the Democrats could have lost more seats had they passed Hillarycare. They need to be reminded that after Congress passed the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act in 1988, a mob of seniors heckled and chased then-powerful Rep. Dan Rostenkowski down a Chicago street and attacked his car. His colleagues faced a public only slightly less angry. Less than two years later, before the bill’s implementation, Congress repealed the law by huge margins.

The Democrats may be struggling today, but their current attempt to take over our healthcare system is far from meeting its Waterloo. Stop thinking ABBA. Start thinking The Carpenters.

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Amen! Obama will get his legacy-making health care, no matter what he has to do. He’ll sacrifice a second term for it. He wants to be in the history books for more than being black — and incompetent.

Rational Thought on July 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM

We’ve only just begun…

Democrat Socialists just won’t quit forcing the gift that just keeps taking.

maverick muse on July 30, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Rational Thought on July 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM
He wants to be in the history books for more than being black — and incompetent.

and the most corrupt ever

This would seal that deal.

maverick muse on July 30, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Obviously something is going to get rammed down our throats. That said, I think a winning electoral strategy for any candidate contemplating a run in 2010 or 2012 would be fighting to REPEAL any socialized, government-run healthcare scheme. Not only that, but REPEAL cap and tax and the stimulus.

J.J. Sefton on July 30, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Stop thinking ABBA. Start thinking The Carpenters.

I’m on the top of the world looking down on creation? But that only applies to etheral Obama, not the mere mortal Democrats.

myrenovations on July 30, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of Rahm Emanuel and Health Policy Adviser at the Office of Management, provides a preview of how such a system will get started…

Such an approach accepts a two-tiered health system-some citizens will receive only basic services while others will receive both basic and some discretionary health services… Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.

Obviously. How could anyone disagree with rationing health care by allocating it based on creating people with reasoning skills who can fully and actively participate in the future of the Reich? Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel probably didn’t even have to work too hard to translate his reasoning from the original German.

Or as Dr. Hermann Pfannmüller, who would later stand trial at Nuremberg for his Starvation Hospitals for those he deemed unfit, put it,

“The idea is unbearable to me that the best, the flower of our youth must lose its life at the front in order that feebleminded and irresponsible asocial elements can have a secure existence in the asylum.”

Dr. Pfannmüller of the Starvation Hospitals put it much more colorfully:

These creatures (the children) naturally represent for me as a National Socialist only a burden for the healthy body of our Volk. We do not kill with poison, injections, etc.; then the foreign press and certain gentlemen in Switzerland would only have new inflammatory material.. No, our method is much simpler and more natural, as you see. With these words, he pulled, with the help of a … nurse, a child from its little bed. While he then exhibited the child like a dead rabbit, he asserted with a knowing expression and a cynical grin: For this one it will take two to three more days. The picture of this fat, grinning man, in his fleshy hand the whimpering skeleton, surrounded by other starving children, is still vivid in my mind.

ObamaCare = NAZI Eugenics

Andy in Agoura Hills on July 30, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Wherever and whenever possible the conservative electorate needs to turf “wet” Republicans, like Charles Grassley, who want serfdom in “moderation”.
Randy

williars on July 30, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Fannie Med
How many illegitimate kids are in the Fed’s Fannie family?

NIX on government-sponsored co-ops.
NIX on government control of our bodies that house our minds.

maverick muse on July 30, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Karl, good break down of all the different angles to cover.

maverick muse on July 30, 2009 at 3:06 PM

“Start thinking The Carpenters.”

……….. OK.

Seven Percent Solution on July 30, 2009 at 3:06 PM

The presence of a single liberal is cause for alarm.

Never, never let your guard down.

The fact of the matter is this, as long as there exists a possibility of passage, this health care legislation will be fine-tuned by eliminating the egregious and unworkable from each iteration. Once the legislation has been sufficiently watered down it will pass. Everyone pats themselves on the back for their statesmanship and bipartisanship. When the cocktails are over, the liberals go back to the laboratory to craft legislation that forwards their goal just that much further. Those policy goals will be worked into successive legislation incrementally until all of the goals have been achieved.

Take it from a guy who has been taking a beating on the subject of pesticide policy for a quarter century – these people are ruthless and will be undeterred by this little setback.

turfmann on July 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM

“Hey Paul, what are you doing over there?”

“I’m kicking my @ss.”

Krugman gets pwned by Krugman on health care.

fogw on July 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM

What makes Obama dangerous is that he believes his rhetoric. He isn’t a politician, but an idealogue. That is deadly.

portlandon on July 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM

The Democrats may be struggling today, but their current attempt to take over our healthcare system is far from meeting its Waterloo. Stop thinking ABBA. Start thinking The Carpenters.

The vernacular of the day is “Five Year Plan(s).” It’s the Communist way.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Thanks, Karl. Your post is saved to my file. I send a lot of faxes, and it will come in handy, starting next week.

petefrt on July 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM

ObamaCare = NAZI Eugenics

Andy in Agoura Hills on July 30, 2009 at 3:02 PM

lemme see……Monsanto, and the like, destroying worlds natural agriculture and livestock with GMO’s, John “sterilize the water” Holdren, and a lab made Swine flu to force vaccinations on our children this fall…(and that’s just for starts, I could go on and on) and a forced govt. health care system……yep, Im inclined to agree with you Andy. These are extremely troubling days we face indeed.

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Two things: first, even if Obama is able to pul a rabbit out of his hat get this passed, he will be politically wounded, maybe permanently. Many of the Dems that swept into power did so on Obama’s coattails – sans conttails, voters may not look too kindly on those that facilitated this much economic carnage.

Second, much of the Dems power to pass legislation at will came from Obama’s aura and post-election goodwill. That’s fading fast and with each new UE report, and bad deficit number (and potential foreign policy snafu) Obama’s power to embrace new radical legislation and get it passed diminishes. Each day that this isn’t law is one more opportunity to dissect this POS and scream from the rafters what it will actually mean to the US electorate. I firmly believe that if every insured American (seniors too) knew what this bill will DO to them, it will never pass. Obama actually opened himself up to this yesterday when he said that Congress WILL read the bill and know what’s in it – the threat (to passage that is) being that the more people know about this the more they’ll hate it. The longer this is delayed toward the end of the year, the greater the chance that it fails.

volnation on July 30, 2009 at 3:13 PM

that’s right.

as long as Obama is president he will not give up on screwing over America. he hates the freedoms we have.

don’t let up. call, email, write everyday if necessary.

my husband wrote an application that is currently in the iTunes application store. it’s called: myGov and it lists all the federal officials & their telephone numbers.

download myGov from the iTunes app store and have all of their numbers handy.

we can’t let this bill pass.

poppieseeds on July 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM

As I’ve been saying – it ain’t Waterloo. It’s not even Leipzig. It’s not even the retreat from Moscow, though it’s closer to that.

We may be looking at Spain pre-Trafalgar. Maybe. Cap’n'Trade was probably Egypt.

CK MacLeod on July 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Stop thinking ABBA. Start thinking The Carpenters.

I am thinking more along the lines of James Taylor.

HalJordan on July 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Tell my why then .. oh why should it be that we go on, hurting each other …..

Karen Carpenter had an awesome natural contralto … I hate to link her to anything Obama.

BigD on July 30, 2009 at 3:15 PM

As I’ve been saying – it ain’t Waterloo. It’s not even Leipzig. It’s not even the retreat from Moscow, though it’s closer to that.

We may be looking at Spain pre-Trafalgar. Maybe. Cap’n’Trade was probably Egypt.

CK MacLeod on July 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Battle of Trenton, perhaps?

Kapitan on July 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM

I am thinking more along the lines of James Taylor.

HalJordan on July 30, 2009 at 3:14 PM

“Won’t you look down upon me, Jesus.”

An obvious religious fanatic. Can’t use JT.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Doesn’t it make some wonder what ONE provision of Obamacare MAY help the current situation? Namely:

FORCED insurance. Most companies are at 85% participation. That because many YOUNG people feel they don’t need insurance because they are healthy. Let’s FORCE them to buy it NOW, that will help with costs for insurance companies NOW.

Imagine a 15% BOOST in premium collections.

originalpechanga on July 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM

lemme see……Monsanto, and the like, destroying worlds natural agriculture and livestock with GMO’s,

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I’d like to to prove that.

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM

I’d like for to you to prove that.

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Just wait until the deficit numbers come in. The unemployment up again, people satisfied with their health care insurance, and a fired up producer segment of the population will stop this.

Keep up the work. The most important action item is to go to your representatives meeting armed with the actual bill and ask them WTF!

jukin on July 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM

The Carpenters were Republicans weren’t they?

Ted Torgerson on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I’d like to to prove that.

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM

if you don’t know any of these issues, you are not paying attention. Go educate yourself, I don’t have the time, and could care less what you think of my opinion…

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Mr. Obama… a B+, a D+, a D-, and two Fs. That’s a 1.06 GPA.

Congratulations, Mr. Obama. That puts you at the top of the Delta pledge class.

teke184 on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I said in this post that there are 5 things that we can’t lose sight of going forward, including the fact that any plan that has a public option guarantees rationing of health care for seniors.

LFRGary on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Paging AnninCa

Paging AnninCa

Knucklehead on July 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Start thinking The Carpenters.

“It’s Yesterday Once More”
(HillaryCare again)

DamnCat on July 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Democrats are really missing the point here.

Working Americans of ALL p;olitical persuasions are united behind a simple principle: they are FED UP with government schemes that they believe will force them to pay for other people’s irresponsibility and allow people who are basically deadbeats and freeloaders to get stuff for free that they have worked their asses off to pay for. This is why people are so angry about the mortgage “loan modification” scam, the Porkulus that is creating mostly more government jobs for people who aren’t smart enough or competitive enough to get a real job in the private sector, etc. And now comes ObamaCare, promising free or very low-cost health care for people on welfare, illegal aliens, etc. – at the obvious expense of ruining the employer-based health insurance system that most working Americans are quite satisfied with. All of these “wealth redistribution” schemes are being connected in the public’s mind – as they should be. But the Democrats haven’t figured this out.

rockmom on July 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM

An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.

Yes, and then from there they move on to the less obvious examples of citizens who “can’t fully participate in public deliberations” and therefore should be denied health services — like the mentally retarded, and then kids with ADHD (how can they debate when they can’t sit still or pay attention?), and then people with lower-than-average IQ’s, and then . . . .

I can’t decide which one of those Emanuel brothers is the bigger creep.

AZCoyote on July 30, 2009 at 3:24 PM

if you don’t know any of these issues, you are not paying attention. Go educate yourself, I don’t have the time, and could care less what you think of my opinion…

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Quiddly fuh duh to you too. LOL.

As an American citizen that works for the aforementioned company I must be the devil to you. I mean, how could I provide for my family knowing that what I sow is destroying the WORLD! I must be soulless right?

Get a clue and go spend $1200 on ‘organic’ at Whole Foods.

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:24 PM

“Hey Paul, what are you doing over there?”

“I’m kicking my @ss.”

Krugman gets pwned by Krugman on health care.

fogw on July 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM

LOL! Krugman is a stupid a$$

Bulldogger on July 30, 2009 at 3:25 PM

As an American citizen that works for the aforementioned company

well that explains it then don’t it…..

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Karl’s posts are always so thoroughly research and well argued. Kudos on another good one. I was thinking last night killing this government run health care plan may be linked to the words that Karl found in the title of the WSJ linked here, namely “Fannie Med.” I think maybe Allahpundit used it first. Maybe that was where I first noticed it. Naming this whole thing Fannie Med is such a great way to describe the whole fiasco with a mere turn of a phrase.

msmveritas on July 30, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Mr. Obama… a B+, a D+, a D-, and two Fs. That’s a 1.06 GPA.

Congratulations, Mr. Obama. That puts you at the top of the Delta pledge class.

teke184 on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Probably close to the grades in the protected transcripts.

farright on July 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM

The Democrats may be struggling today, but their current attempt to take over our healthcare system is far from meeting its Waterloo. Stop thinking ABBA. Start thinking The Carpenters.

I’m thinking more along the lines of elementary school…

This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends…

Rogue on July 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 3:26 PM

That patchuli and nag champa got your brain not thinking right. F logical arguments, lets just ad hominem till I fly to NY.

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Yes, and then from there they move on to the less obvious examples of citizens who “can’t fully participate in public deliberations” and therefore should be denied health services — like the mentally retarded, and then kids with ADHD (how can they debate when they can’t sit still or pay attention?), and then people with lower-than-average IQ’s, and then . . . .

I can’t decide which one of those Emanuel brothers is the bigger creep.

AZCoyote on July 30, 2009 at 3:24 PM

But of course, there will be full coverage for treatment of HIV/AIDS which can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars yet is a completely preventable disease, and for other STDs which are totally preventable, and for abortions which are totally preventable. Then they will require amniocentesis for all expectant mothers over age 35 and deny any coverage for any genetic abnormalities or conditions that are found, to encourage the mother to kill the baby.

rockmom on July 30, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Probably close to the grades in the protected transcripts.

farright on July 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Aw, give Barry a break. It must have been hard to focus on class when he was so busy smoking weed, snorting blow (when he could afford it), and keeping watch 24 hours a day for any perceived racial slights.

AZCoyote on July 30, 2009 at 3:32 PM

a B+, a D+, a D- and two Fs.

Let me guess. The B is Proud Michelle. One D is Barack and the other D is Biden. The two Fs are Reid and Pelosi, though I’d personally give Pelosi a C. What do I win?

LibTired on July 30, 2009 at 3:35 PM

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM

So “terminator seeds” that can only be used once, then the farmer has to buy again from Monsanto, is a good idea to you. I think southern India farmers who are killing themselves over crop failures, antd there families might disagree. Ask farmers in the corn belt how they feel about neighboring farms pollinating their farms and Monsanto sues them into oblivion for stealing their dna copyright. That good with you? How about Monsanto trying to patent the friggin pig! Cool with you is it…of course it is.

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 3:36 PM

LibTired on July 30, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Actually, it’s the scores he got on the “report card” from Nate Silver listed in the main article.

teke184 on July 30, 2009 at 3:37 PM

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM

go back to sleep….

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 3:38 PM

originalpechanga on July 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Actualy, they need to give INDIVIDUALS the exact same tax break for buying their own insurance, as companies get.

I know a LOT of self employed folks, and contractors, who are young and betting on their continued good health, instead of buying insurance.

I would also get the States to pass laws forcing existing insurance companies to pool all their individual Insarance clients, and theat them the same as they treat a company (or at least within a few percentage points). With modern IT I can’t imagine it saves an insurance company much to insure a company of 100 people, vice 100 individual people.

Through in a bit or TORT reform? and you have a free market solution.

Romeo13 on July 30, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Obama sez: Lie to me….tell me that I’m doing good.

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Start thinking The Carpenters.
“It’s Yesterday Once More”
(HillaryCare again)

DamnCat on July 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Why do birds
Suddenly appear?
Everytime you are near
JustUnlike me
They long to be
Close to you

(MSM love song to 0bama)

Brat on July 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM

turfmann on July 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Well said. The left are masters of Hegelian Philosophy.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM

So “terminator seeds” that can only be used once, then the farmer has to buy again from Monsanto, is a good idea to you. I think southern India farmers who are killing themselves over crop failures, antd there families might disagree. Ask farmers in the corn belt how they feel about neighboring farms pollinating their farms and Monsanto sues them into oblivion for stealing their dna copyright. That good with you? How about Monsanto trying to
patent the friggin pig! Cool with you is it…of course it is.

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 3:36 PM

There is no such thing as the ‘terminator seed’.

Indian Farmers who plant cotton and their crops fail have been performing subcontinental seppuku way before we got into Ag. That doesn’t mean I am heartless to their plight. No one put a gun to their head and forced them to buy seed with our tech.

Pollen and subsequent genetic drift into a neighboring field has always occured. What is the problem with diversity? Oh and the same farmers that buy our seed of their own free will right?

No one is attempting to ‘patent a pig’ That idea is absurd.

Do you have greater than, and I ask this honestly and sincerely, a high school knowledge of science?

Sounds like you ingest everything that the Sierra Club, Greenpeace, American Corn Growers Assoc., Union of Concerned Scientists, and other luddite propaganda groups produce.

Seen Food Inc. recently? Do you have your doomsday non-hybrid seed vault ready for the impending agriculture apocolypse?

I’m wide awake mang. And it feels delish.

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:49 PM

and you know right after they played We’ve Only Just Begun the Poseidon got hit with that killer wave ….the analogy works all the way through the film…

ginaswo on July 30, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Just like Jennifer Granholm’s (Gov. Mich-D) last campaign, after spending 4 years decimating Michigan’s economy she stood in front of the Michigan house and declared:

“You ain’t seen nothing yet, we’re just getting started“.

This is zerobama after only a few months. Now extrapolate this wake of destruction after 4 years. Now have a nightmare imagining 8 years of this communist pr1ck.

Now, grab your nearest liberal ‘buddy’ and slap his/her head clean off their shoulders. There. Problem solved.

Spiritk9 on July 30, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Knucklehead on July 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM

AnninCA is going through skin regeneration therapy for the loss of epidermis she took a couple of days ago.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Actually, it’s the scores he got on the “report card” from Nate Silver listed in the main article.

teke184 on July 30, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Oh. I thought the letters stood for certain words and we were guessing.

LibTired on July 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM

as they should be. But the Democrats haven’t figured this out.

rockmom on July 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM

They give a new meaning to slow learner don’t they.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 3:52 PM

I don’t know where you get your propaganda from, but I urge you to indeed show some curiosity and compare your sources of information with what can be found at activistcash.

I apologize for the initial abrasiveness. It is a gut reaction to being constantly atacked by people with no true knowledge of science who have an ideological axe to grind.

See ya in NY!

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Rogue on July 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM

now you put this tune in my head :0)

ginaswo on July 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM

CynicalOptimist on July 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Product of the “Self Esteem” culture at its best.

chemman on July 30, 2009 at 3:55 PM

ObamaCare = NAZI Eugenics

Andy in Agoura Hills on July 30, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Yes … and not enough people seem to be able to grasp that. It always starts out slow and incrementally, then it’s ramped up to include enemies and other “undesirables”.

darwin on July 30, 2009 at 4:00 PM

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Laughable: A simple Google search, which you are apparently incapable of performing, answers easily the following two points. Only shows your ignorance.

“There is no such thing as the ‘terminator seed’.”

“No one is attempting to ‘patent a pig’ That idea is absurd.”

“Seen Food Inc. recently?” Never seen it.

“I’m wide awake mang. And it feels delish.” What’s it taste like? Round Up?

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 4:05 PM

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:52 PM

And I know plenty of farmers and I am far from a Lib, nice try

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 4:07 PM

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 3:52 PM

But I will look at the site, to be fair, will you look into what I’ve said or just take some one else word?

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 4:09 PM

“The Democrats may be struggling today, but their current attempt to take over our healthcare system is far from meeting its Waterloo. Stop thinking ABBA. Start thinking The Carpenters.” Karl

Statists come in both Democrat and Republican flavors. One may be slightly more palatable, but both are toxic. If we don’t replace all of the statists, of either stripe, we risk ending up with nationalized healthcare and a whole host of ills that come with crushing debt that we pass on to our children. The statists will never stop. There is no compromise with them. They must be destroyed.

SKYFOX on July 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

I look into the issues you raise all the time. Like I said. I have family. I have a conscience. I would never sell out the safety or health of my family just to put food on the table. I am well aware of the issues you have raised and I just don’t think you understand the science behind the ‘anti-’ propaganda. I never tried to paint you into the political spectrum.

Hell yeah it tastes like round-up! Check out Mon’s own blog. They have tons of information on there about all the issues you raised. Of course, being the good skeptic you are you would never accept evidence from a corporation. So I hope someday your lack of science knowledge will not strengthen your zealotry furthur.

Have a happy weekend!

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Have a happy weekend!

daesleeper on July 30, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Heheh, you too man…….

Ozprey on July 30, 2009 at 4:32 PM

We need to think…

From the Halls of Montezuma,
To the shores of Tripoli;
We fight our country’s battles
In the air, on land, and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean;
We are proud to claim the title
Of United States Marine.

Our flag’s unfurled to every breeze
From dawn to setting sun;
We have fought in every clime and place
Where we could take a gun;
In the snow of far-off Northern lands
And in sunny tropic scenes;
You will find us always on the job
The United States Marines.

Here’s health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve;
In many a strife we’ve fought for life
And never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.

luvstotango on July 30, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Rogue on July 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM

now you put this tune in my head :0)

ginaswo on July 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I sowwy..I blame Bush

Rogue on July 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Mr. Obama… a B+, a D+, a D-, and two Fs. That’s a 1.06 GPA.

Congratulations, Mr. Obama. That puts you at the top of the Delta pledge class.

teke184 on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Probably the same grades he received in Harvard, that is why you don’t see transcripts.

izoneguy on July 30, 2009 at 5:18 PM

But of course, there will be full coverage for treatment of

HIV/AIDS which can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars yet is a completely preventable disease, and for other STDs which are totally preventable, and for abortions which are totally preventable. Then they will require amniocentesis for all expectant mothers over age 35 and deny any coverage for any genetic abnormalities or conditions that are found, to encourage the mother to kill the baby.

rockmom on July 30, 2009 at 3:30 PM

The very thought of this being plausible should be enough to scare even those of us with our heads in the sand. Take a good look at some of the unappointed Czars that have been assembled without congressional oversight/consent and an even closer look at their beliefs/histories/writings and a definite pattern emerges. Michelle’s “Culture of Corruption” is a great start, but I think it goes even deeper than that.

These people are evil and will not stop until their agenda is implemented. They realize that they have a brief window of opportunity to “Rahm” this agenda through and that it appears that window is closing rapidly. Whether you subscribe to any of the “conspiracies” or not, any sane person would have to conclude that they’ve waited generations for this opportunity and are now desperately trying to take advantage of it.

Focus on what the right hand is doing and not on the shiny object that the left hand is holding.

singer on July 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM

The way to stop this socialization of the United States via takeover of a very large segment of private business may be to convince the Chinese that if this Healthscare boondoggle ever passes the costs associated with it will so bankrupt the U.S. economy that they will never recieve the interest on their investment much less the principle.
When the Dims can no longer sell T- Bills they can no longer finance their takeover of America via takeover or bankrupting of private businesses!

dhunter on July 30, 2009 at 6:33 PM

The Carpenters were Republicans weren’t they?

Ted Torgerson on July 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM

All the good musicians were republicans.

Chaz706 on July 30, 2009 at 8:52 PM

ObamaCare? I prefer to call it CommieCare………

adamsmith on July 31, 2009 at 10:26 AM