Obamateurism of the Day
posted at 8:05 am on July 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
If Americans are to trust their government to re-engineer 15% of the total US economy, we have to trust that the leaders pushing that plan can count to three on the fly. Yesterday, Barack Obama tried to make his health-care pitch at an AARP town-hall event, and managed to fail that test. TPM has the transcript of Obama’s answer when the moderator asked the very first question — and Obama broke his answer into two three four parts (emphases mine):
MR. CUTHBERT: Much as it would be every broadcaster’s dream to share the podium with the President of the United States, he has to get wired up for sound. So I’ll start with a question that was e-mailed in before the program, which combines a couple of factors you spoke about, Mr. President.
He says: My brother is 56 and uninsurable. He could afford to buy insurance, but he can’t get it because he has a preexisting condition and in his state there is not a high-risk pool. When the President’s program starts, will insurance companies be required to cover people with preexisting conditions? Will he be able to get insurance in the first phase of the plan, even if he’s willing to pay the full amount?
THE PRESIDENT: The answer is yes. And so let me talk just a little bit about the kind of insurance reform that we’re proposing as part of the broader reform package.
Number one, if you’ve got a preexisting condition, insurance companies will still have to insure you. This is something very personal for me. My mother, when she contracted cancer, the insurance companies started suggesting that, well, maybe this was a preexisting condition; maybe you could have diagnosed it before you actually purchased your insurance. Ultimately, they gave in, but she had to spend weeks fighting with insurance companies while she’s in the hospital bed, writing letters back and forth just to get coverage for insurance that she had already paid premiums on. And that happens all across the country. We are going to put a stop to that. That’s point number one.
Point number two: We’re going to reform the insurance system so that they can’t just drop you if you get too sick. They won’t be able to drop you if you change jobs or lose your job, as long as you’re willing to pay your premiums. They are — we’re going to make sure that we eliminate sort of the lifetime cap that creates a situation — a lot of times people get sick, then they find out the fine print says that at a certain point they just stop paying, or they’ll pay for your hospitalization but they don’t pay for your doctor, or they pay for your doctor but not your hospitalization.
We want clear, easy-to-understand, straightforward insurance that people can purchase. So that’s point number one.
Point number two is, in addition to those reforms, we want to make sure that we set up what’s called a health insurance exchange so that anybody who wants insurance but can’t get it on their job right now, they can go to this exchange; they can select a plan that works for them or their families — these are private-option plans, but we also want to have a public option that’s in there — but whatever you select, you will get high-quality care for a reasonable cost, the same way Congress, members of Congress, are able to select from a menu of plans that they have available. And if you’re very — if the plan that you select is still too expensive for your income, then we would provide you a little bit of help so that you could actually afford the coverage.
So the idea behind reform is: Number one, we reform the insurance companies so they can’t take advantage of you. Number two, that we provide you a place to go to purchase insurance that is secure, that isn’t full of fine print, that is actually going to deliver on what you pay for. Number three, we want to make sure that you’re getting a good bargain for your health care by reducing some of the unnecessary tests and costs that have raised rates.
Even if you have health insurance, your premiums have gone up faster than wages over the last 10 years. Your out-of-pocket costs have gone up about 62 percent, which means that for people who aren’t on Medicare right now, people let’s say 54 to — or 50-64, a lot of those folks are paying much higher premiums than they should be — hundreds or thousands of additional dollars that could be saved if we had a system that was more sensible than it is right now.
Actually, Obama couldn’t count to four, either. His points were actually these:
- Force insurers to cover pre-existing conditions.
- Force insurers to keep people once they get sick.
- Simplify policies so people can understand them.
- Force insurers into government-run exchanges and provide subsidies to lower-income Americans.
Most people would support the first three goals as part of any broad overhaul of health-insurance regulation, even if they differ on how to achieve them. What’s apparent is that we need people who can count to lead that effort. (h/t: HA reader Michael from Vista, CA)
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That’s pretty funny, too.
I would love to hear The Count answer that one in detail.
(Throwing the Holy hand grenade of Antioch)
“One…two…five!”
“Three, sir”
“Three!”
reaganaut on July 29, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Simplify???
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Beat me to it, reagnaut (heh)
apostic on July 29, 2009 at 8:11 AM
FIFY
mwdiver on July 29, 2009 at 8:12 AM
beat me to it….Obama missed that episode on sesame street
cmsinaz on July 29, 2009 at 8:12 AM
I’m pretty sure that should read “simplify” Ed…
doriangrey on July 29, 2009 at 8:13 AM
I guess I’m one of Obama’s strawmen who argue against any proposal
1. Force insurers to cover pre-existing conditions. – why get a policy until you get sick? May as well save your monthly premiums, and then when you think you have something really bad, go get insurance.
2. Force insurers to keep people once they get sick. – see answer to point 1.
3. Simply policies so people can understand them. – there’s nothing simple about a health payment plan and the corresponding coverage. I don’t see how a ‘simple policy’ is anything but lip service.. ever.
4. Force insurers into government-run exchanges and provide subsidies to lower-income Americans. – yeah, the govn’t is a model of efficiency and cost-savings /sarc off
gatorboy on July 29, 2009 at 8:13 AM
By this same pathetic line of argument, we shouldn’t have our healthcare reformed by conservatives like Ed who can’t spell words like “simplify.” How can they simplify the system if they can’t spell simplify? Hur hur hur.
e-pirate on July 29, 2009 at 8:13 AM
I wonder if he’ll be able to count when he has his town hall in my area this evening…
…and just why is this town hall closed to everyone but the employees of Kroger????
What’s he afraid of?
ladyingray on July 29, 2009 at 8:15 AM
Actually, he failed more than that. I knew he was going to speak to this liberal group but it didn’t even make the news. Perhaps the state-run media is covering for the filthy liar’s inabilty to count. I’ve always maintained the filthy liar is an extremely dim bulb who has never exhibited the brilliance proclaimed in his propaganda.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:15 AM
Can’t say I oppose this. I don’t know if this actually happens or not, but if it does, it’s bullshit. What’s the point of having insurance if when you need insurance the most, the coverage is taken away?
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 8:16 AM
Why is he still campaigning? Everyday is just another campaign stop with a speech thrown in. He has no idea what he is saying and promising…
texabama on July 29, 2009 at 8:16 AM
Should have just taken the pain pills and gone off in a corner and died… Right Obama……
doriangrey on July 29, 2009 at 8:17 AM
But he did catch the one featuring all 57 states.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:17 AM
that would be the patriotic thing to do
gatorboy on July 29, 2009 at 8:18 AM
Are grocery store employees union? If so, which one?
sherry on July 29, 2009 at 8:18 AM
Let me guess. Kroger employees are unionized.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:19 AM
Good point.
My retort would be:
1. Force insurers to cover pre-existing conditions. But if you have one, you get charged more. If you have an existing policy and you get a “condition” at some point, your premium can’t increase because of it.
The responsible get rewarded. The irresponsible get punished. Done and done.
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 8:19 AM
e-pirate on July 29, 2009 at 8:13 AM
Or conversely, Ed would make at least as good a President as Obama.
fluffy on July 29, 2009 at 8:19 AM
Great, can he apply rule #1 to car insurance?
Because I don’t really need that until after I have an accident.
Seriously, if pre-existing conditions are all covered, why buy health insurance at all?
This is simply Obama’s method of putting the health insurance companies out of business, in order for a full government take over to take place.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 8:20 AM
So,we had already determined that Bambi:
Doesn’t know History
” ” Current Events
” ” English
” ” how to add and subtract
Now we find out he can’t even count.
And Sarah looks better every day.
DDT on July 29, 2009 at 8:21 AM
So I can wait until I need a full cardiac bypass, then buy insurance and then my premium will be “more”?
How much more? Enough to cover the surgery? Probably not.
So after the surgery is done, I can drop the insurance again until my next medical disaster?
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to sell health insurance under those conditions?
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 8:22 AM
Are grocery store employees union? If so, which one?
sherry on July 29, 2009 at 8:18 AM
Let me guess. Kroger employees are unionized.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:19 AM
The employees at this particular store, as is the case in Kroger stores the entire area, are not unionized.
ladyingray on July 29, 2009 at 8:23 AM
in obama’s alternate reality, thats what he wants to do
gatorboy on July 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM
CrockObama: Point 3 of our medical plan. If you get to the age of 62, you must die. This will shore up the social security deficit as well as rid Medicare of unnecessary spending which we can use to pay down our debt we inherited by Bush.
dthorny on July 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM
The list of those who would be at least as good a President is very long and includes my cocker spaniel.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:25 AM
Not simply (er or should that be simplified? oh well,) it’s what Obama specifically said people for whom medical treatment would only marginally extent their lives should be required by law to do.
doriangrey on July 29, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Well you can do that now if you want and just not pay the bills. What you’re talking about is committing fraud not buying insurance at good rates.
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Then my guess would be that some union wants them to be and they are working it with this healthcare angle.
sherry on July 29, 2009 at 8:26 AM
If you want to quote Python, how about this to describe Obamacare:
“Dr. Piglet, Dr. Winston, practice your art.”
Kafir on July 29, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Hence the state-funded visits by the grim reaper to discuss “end of life options.”
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM
how is any of that fraud?
gatorboy on July 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM
I would, I assume it will be a federal job soon. Lots of days off, no long hours, pension, lots of sick days that you can horde, no pressure, no shopping around for your clients, pictures of Dear Leader in the office…
reaganaut on July 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM
Well, the at the actual hospitals it will be;
“Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard”
reaganaut on July 29, 2009 at 8:28 AM
Cough cough… Oh my…. But still probably true… :O
doriangrey on July 29, 2009 at 8:29 AM
Unless it comes with darts, that’s the dealbreaker for me.
sherry on July 29, 2009 at 8:29 AM
Isn’t that how dictators work? Force?
tarpon on July 29, 2009 at 8:30 AM
Yeah, but that’s not the worst case scenario….
apostic on July 29, 2009 at 8:32 AM
Okay, off to the William Ayer’s Memorial Community Re-Education and Capitalist Elimination Facility with you….
doriangrey on July 29, 2009 at 8:33 AM
oopsie, didn’t realize that was monty python…forgive the ignorance
cmsinaz on July 29, 2009 at 8:37 AM
If I don’t pay my premiums my coverage will be dropped.
Under this idiotic “plan”, what is to prevent me from dropping my insurance as soon as they’ve paid for my condition?
Will Obamacare subsidize my premium payments henceforth if I don’t feel like paying it?
Remember, the goal here is to destroy the insurance companies. Dopes who vote for Democrats would like portability in health insurance as in, they only want to pay for it when they need it.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 8:38 AM
I would still love to know how insurance companies make any profits. Is it from investing the premiums?
WoosterOh on July 29, 2009 at 8:39 AM
Years ago, I was in Kenya, the filthy liar’s homeland. Pictures of their dictator Daniel A. Moi were all over the place. The US is quickly coming to that same end.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:39 AM
Hmmm…interesting thought.
ladyingray on July 29, 2009 at 8:41 AM
reaganaut on July 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM
Sign me up!
For the cushy job, not for the overpriced, crappy health plan.
I’ll take the gold plated fed plan Democrat politicians enjoy.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM
You’re right. Fraud isn’t the right word. Unethical is.
I can’t believe I’m defending Obama, but on this I agree. My wife applied for personal individual insurance a few years ago. She was turned down by BigInsuranceCompany #1 for a ridiculous pre-existing condition. It was something that happened 5 years earlier, was not chronic and was almost an afterthought for her. But their policy said anyone who had that “condition” at any time over the past 7 years was denied coverage, period. It was like you took a test and got a 95% but failed because the one question you got wrong was an automatic fail.
Luckily Blue Cross/Blue Shield was a little more sane and they didn’t even care about that “condition”. But they could have cared too. And my wife would be insurance-less right now or on some shitty government insurance plan.
So yes I think forcing insurance companies to accept one and all – but charge accordingly based on health – makes perfect sense. If not what will happen is those that are not accepted will go to the county ER every time they have a cold and you and I end up paying for them.
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 8:43 AM
Page 16 guarantees that your coverage will be dropped long before that can happen anyway so why worry?
doriangrey on July 29, 2009 at 8:43 AM
Simply put, they take in more than they pay out. That’s how any business makes a profit. Which is the real point here. The filthy liar and too many of his supporters seem to think that an insurance company should act like a federal entitlement program. That’s not the point of insurance.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:44 AM
Difference is, Ed would be the first to admit he made a typo. He doesn’t pretend to be perfection incarnate and saviour to all.
I wonder if this happened because Barry looked away from his teleprompter for more than 20 seconds.
fireweednectar on July 29, 2009 at 8:44 AM
that’s what gets my goat…..how can they be exempted as they are forcing this down our throats…i know, do as i say, not what i do…
cmsinaz on July 29, 2009 at 8:45 AM
You drop coverage today. Then 3 months you need it again. You apply again, you have the existing condition and history. Your premium is 500% more. That’s your incentive to not drop coverage. And when you drop coverage if the insurance company is smart, they send you a letter saying OK your coverage is dropped but just to make sure you understand your $300 premium will be $1500 if you decide to reapply. Still want to drop coverage?
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 8:45 AM
Well,Obama has a counting problem,so whats the big deal,
unless,
Obama thinks its DEFCON 3,when its actually DEFCON 1,
and the enemy’s birds have already left their silo’s!!
-(Sarc).
canopfor on July 29, 2009 at 8:45 AM
thats not fair though because the chronic chronic free loader could not afford the $20k/mo. premiums required due to their cancer treatment.
pre-existing exclusions are the crux of the ins industry. w/o them, a govt forced mandate is req’d, otherwise premiums will spiral for all and more folks will just drop coverage until they need it.
gatorboy on July 29, 2009 at 8:48 AM
Some years ago, SCOTUS ruled an insurance company can cancel a policy, and I think it was in a case where the policyholder got cancer. I can’t say I agree with that decision, but most policies cap at $1 million.
If government is kicked out of the way, people can pick and choose the coverage they want and maybe the cap, too, instead of being forced into a pool that includes by gov’t mandate people who are substance abusers, depressives, and other things most Americans aren’t or might become. Why should people be forced to pay higher premiums b/c others in their pool are alcoholics that might someday want counseling? If I were a manic depressive and want coverage for treatment, I should pay that premium. But someone who isn’t might not want the same coverage, yet under the present system of mandates he/she is still paying for that–and for me.
The fix to this crisis, as I see it, get gov’t out of the way. Citizens and the rest of the private sector will do the rest, to the benefit of all involved.
Liam on July 29, 2009 at 8:49 AM
You do realize that everything about Barack Obama, his political party and his “administration” is by any reasonable definition, extremely unethical.
So your wife was turned down by one insurance company, was covered by another, so that’s why insurance companies should be forced to accept individuals with pre-existing conditions?
Sounds to me like the market sorted it out.
Not unless they’re poor enough to qualify for Medicaid. If you have assets, the hospitals will make you pay.
And worse come to worse, get a catastrophic policy that only covers expenses over $5,000 or so and pay for your own doctor’s visits. Most people would save doing that, insurance should have never been about covering primary care visits, that’s why we’re in this mess in the first place.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 8:49 AM
OK so let that free loader shrivel up and die of cancer. Problem solved.
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 8:49 AM
doncha know, its not about them
gatorboy on July 29, 2009 at 8:50 AM
But on the positive side, your goat cannot be denied coverage under Obamacare. :-0
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:51 AM
+1000000000000
gatorboy on July 29, 2009 at 8:52 AM
Yeah they “make you pay”. Sure a bill is sent. The bill is ignored. The bill is written off. Next time that person shows up, hospital still has to treat him and the process starts over. Sure sometime hospitals will sue, but only for really large amounts. For the $1000 here $2000 there bills, which are the majority of hospital bills, it costs more in legal fees than what the hospital would get back.
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 8:52 AM
And with perfect timing, I got my premium notice in the mail today (yesterday, I opened it today). Surprise, surprise it’s going up again. In 2007 I paid $151 a month. Starting in Sept it will be $243 a month, same coverage. Only a 61% increase in 2 years. No big deal.
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 8:55 AM
More accurately, insurance premiums are based on actuarial tables that take into account what various medical conditions are going to cost. The cost of forcing private insurance companies to take on individuals with pre-existing conditions will be reflected in the price everybody pays for insurance. Which, of course, is part of the filthy liar’s scheme to make government the default provider for all.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 8:56 AM
If you have assets, the hospital will make you pay, unless you want your credit ruined.
Just like if you buy a stereo at Best Buy and don’t feel like paying. The rules are no different for hospitals.
Hospitals are not the complete suckers they are portrayed to be.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Well, not this little gray duck. I fail to see how the Federal Government has any business “FORCING” private insurers to do any damn thing.
Ed, you sure you wanna keep calling yourself a conservative???
Ragspierre on July 29, 2009 at 9:01 AM
LOL
cmsinaz on July 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM
The One can’t even count to two!
pilamaye on July 29, 2009 at 9:06 AM
I’m not saying it is right but federal government forces companies to do stuff all the time. You think employers willingly installed those handicapped bathrooms or agreed with the Family Leave Act?
Fact of the matter is government regulation is no different than paying off the mafia. A cost of doing business. What is offensive about the filthy liar’s scheme is that it wants to take over the insurance industry in the same way it has raided the auto and financial industry.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM
According to Page 59 of the Health Care Bill lines 21-24: The Government will have direct access to your banks accounts. Since health insurance will be mandated, I assume the gov’t could, and probably will, just help themselves to your money.
Barb Dwyer on July 29, 2009 at 9:10 AM
This is just another thing the President has handled “stupidly”.
yoda on July 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM
That’s really swell of them.
I hope they take a little extra to buy themselves something nice, maybe another hamburger at Five Guys or some ice cream for the girls.
Because they deserve it.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 9:15 AM
The filthy liar is stuck on stupid.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 9:18 AM
The Ed Mask is Falling Off?
Americannodash on July 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM
I disagree.
Barry would need to unlearn all the crap he learned from his hippie momma, her baby daddy, his loony Reverand, his overrated universities and his terrorist buddies, to be thought of as garden-variety stupid.
He’s a maleducated idiot and that’s the most dangerous idiot there is.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM
I spend my 20+ year career in the health insurance field. At end I was the Prez of two insurance companies owned by the largest independent PPO in America. For past 10 years – yesterday my anniversary of being diagnosed – I’ve been beating up on my Cancer, multiple myeloma.
OK, that’s my intro for cred. What I’d like to offer is that, based on my reading of Barry’s Mom in a TIME mag bio, I’d bet mucho money that her cancer treatments were forced down an Hawaiian insurance company by Barry the Harvard Law School Grad.
Barry’s Mom was in Indonesia when she began having terrible stomach pains. She flew to Hawaii where she applied for individual health coverage. It’s my very learned guess that she omitted a truthful answer when asked the medical questions I’m sure were asked.
From Time mag article:
In the fall of 1994, Ann was having dinner at her friend Patten’s house in Jakarta when she felt a pain in her stomach. A local doctor diagnosed indigestion. When Ann returned to Hawaii several months later, she learned it was ovarian and uterine cancer. She died on Nov. 7, 1995, at 52.
Of course, this part of life is very sad and what occurred during this horrible time I do have real empathy for… but, when Barry said the following yesterday it was all but the “proof” I needed – based on dates in Time mag article – that our Prez used his big verbal muscles and tax payer paid for Harvard degree to force ineligible treatments for his mom.
Number one, if you’ve got a preexisting condition, insurance companies will still have to insure you. This is something very personal for me. My mother, when she contracted cancer, the insurance companies started suggesting that, well, maybe this was a preexisting condition; maybe you could have diagnosed it before you actually purchased your insurance. Ultimately, they gave in, but she had to spend weeks fighting with insurance companies while she’s in the hospital bed, writing letters back and forth just to get coverage for insurance that she had already paid premiums on. And that happens all across the country. We are going to put a stop to that. That’s point number one.
Do I think pursuing this line of intrigue of any real value in the battle to unseat this guy in 2012… or undercut his credibility today? Not really; but I’ll toss out another “bet” that if Palin or GW had made the following claim someone would have followed up on it.
ps. my house is on fire; does anyone know the name of a good Property and Casualty insurer… I need to get someone to cover my loss… damn, eh?
Shivas Irons on July 29, 2009 at 9:31 AM
“Most people would support the first three goals as part of any broad overhaul of health-insurance regulation, even if they differ on how to achieve them.” Ed.
I understand why you, given the personal information you’ve divulged, would support that contention, but I don’t agree that most Americans would if they knew what that would do to the insurance system. I have to agree with gatorboy on this one.
SKYFOX on July 29, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Everything this administration has done or tried to do since January makes me think that The Jug-eared One is one of those educated idiot lefties who think that Communism would really work, if only “done right”.
The Stimulus charade, Cap and Tax, the usurpation of the states’ sovereignty, and now this sham of “reform” all fit nicely into the Cloward-Piven model.
Of course,
The Messiah’sThe Mistake’s past associations and influences in his upbringing that we know about do little to dispell this nagging notion.hillbillyjim on July 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM
IMO, this bill has nothing to do with “health care”…it’s all part of the bigger plan to control every aspect of our lives. Our personal finances, what kind of food we eat, the type of car we drive, how our kids will be educated…and how and when we will die.
Barb Dwyer on July 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM
I hate when I misspell dispel.
hillbillyjim on July 29, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Yahtzee!
hillbillyjim on July 29, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Shivas Irons on July 29, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Very insightful – what is curious is if the US healthcare system is so bad, why oh why did Barry allow her to go to HI for care?
gatorboy on July 29, 2009 at 9:53 AM
I am sick of hearing a politician say “this is a cause very personal to me, one of my parents had cancer” – screw you buddy, my parents had cancer too – I don’t parade them in front of anyone
seaniep on July 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM
It was cheaper to fly her to Hawaii than the UK?
Barb Dwyer on July 29, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Good point but I would suggest it is worse than that. He is an arrogant maleducated idiot. Some stupid people know they are stupid and compensate for the fact by asking questions and listening to others. The filthy liar in the White House believes his own press.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 10:03 AM
I agree with you but I don’t believe the filthy liar is smart enough to realize that is what he is selling. He’s just been indoctrinated with certain “truths” that he is attempting to force on the American people. There is nothing in what the bastard has said to suggest he has the mental capacity to draw on the lessons of the past attempts at Communism and apply them to American society- he can’t even go to a townhall without TOTUS in tow.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 10:08 AM
The first question every single politician must be asked is if they would put their own children in the scheme that they are attempting to ram through Congress before everyone figures out what they are doing. If the answer isn’t an emphatic and immediate “yes” whatever they say next is irrelevant because that means the plan should be defeated now and the rat bastard traitor (of whatever party) needs to be defeated in 2010.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Yet.
Isn’t there some kind of provision in the bill’s current form that gives special treatment to the unions? I’m sure he’s trying to help his union boss pals “persuade” Kroger employees to unionize.
I agree. The timing seems awfully fishy to me, too.
Also? If he thinks dealing with insurance companies is difficult, just think of the horrors of trying to reason with some low-level government employee. I can only imagine that it will be the same sort of experience of going to the post office, or the DMV.
Except that your life will be in their hands.
Shudder.
jana on July 29, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Haven’t you been listening to the filthy liar? If we like our health insurance nothing is going to change! Nevertheless we need to soldier on because of all those letters he’s getting at the White House pleading for this reform (somehow letters saying “keep your paws off my health insurance” get lost in the mail). So, just remember when you go to your local board and ask for an appointment, it was a moral imperitive that we destroy “big tonsils” even if it means we all suffer as a result.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 10:46 AM
I have a question, Ed notes in the post that healthcare is 15% of the entire economy. Is that strictly insurance or does that figure include doctors, hospitals, nursing homes, etc. etc.? I am not trying to be snarky I truly don’t know the specifics of what that number encompasses.
Cindy Munford on July 29, 2009 at 10:49 AM
I don’t have kids, but I’m pretty sure pediatricians don’t go around yanking out tonsils, do they? They would have to be in cahoots with a surgeon, right? It’s a huge conspiracy! Quick, someone call the government to step in and put a stop to it!
I still have my tonsils, by the way. I guess I had one of the few ethical pediatricians to be found back in the ’70s.
jana on July 29, 2009 at 10:51 AM
I think if Obama wants the insurance companies to have clear language in their policies. He should make sure the bill he is trying to pass has clear language. Not 1400 pages of legal speak.
Xnailbender on July 29, 2009 at 10:54 AM
YOUR President went on television last week and said that doctors yank out tonsils for the money. Are you calling him a liar? :-0
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 10:57 AM
You mean a personal anecdote from Barack Obama’s legendary life, isn’t enough for you, to radically change health care for 300 million plus people?
Have you no decency sir.
Barack Obama is going to personally change everything that ever got him in a snit, isn’t that why people become President?
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Not guilty.
jana on July 29, 2009 at 11:01 AM
I read his book. If we’re talking about *everything* that put Barry in a snit? Well…
Goodbye, America and all you stand for!
jana on July 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM
This is an interesting issue . . .
This isn’t Russia (wait, is this Russia?).
We’re not subjects.
Seems to me, we can take him or leave him.
I prefer to leave him.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM
So do I. My preference would be to leave him in a small raft somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM
No wonder Barry is a failure at economics, he can’t even count.
GarandFan on July 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Wasn’t this part of a Monty Python skit about the Spanish Inquisition?
Mallard T. Drake on July 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM
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