In any case, the fact that men’s rights are routinely abused when charged with domestic violence is not a persuasive argument. I know someone who was assaulted by their wife, he had scratches and a ripped shirt, but he was pretty angry when the cops got there so the victim got arrested. Feminists have persuaded PDs to arrest whoever is belligerent, usually the man regardless of who initiated the violence.

rokemronnie on July 30, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Where did all that come from? Did I mention the sex of any person in my hypothetical? I think you need to re-read what I wrote.

Give any cop, anywhere, lip and you’re risking arrest or worse.

rokemronnie on July 30, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Absolutely. The cop must control, because not to control risks his/her own death. When I was ordered about at gunpoint as a suspected intruder by a cop at my father-in-law’s house, you bet I did everything the guy wanted me to do, including “shutting up” when he ordered me to. The apologies were profuse when he discovered his mistake, but I’m still betting he would have shot me if I had done anything the least bit antagonistic. He would have been sorry afterward, but he would have shot me.

Crowley showed great restraint upon meeting Gates — almost to the point that, had Gates actually been a burglar, Crowley would have been in danger of his life.

rokemronnie on July 30, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Threatening another person’s mother is a threat against the person whose mother is threatened, is it not?

I know not all cops are bad, but here in Texas we are currently suffering a crisis of police corruption all around. No one in their right mind would speak up to a Texas cop these days. They know they might find themselves cuffed face down in the back of the squad car, tazed or worse. And missing any large sums of money they might have, since outright cop theft has ballooned with current confiscation laws (a major source of corruption).

Crowley and Gates both acted stupidly. Too bad half that is lost on most people.

Secondly, of course he doesn’t want “whitey” polluting his doorstep.

Unless whitey has great legs and is willing to marry him and give birth to his children. gates is about everything black and nothing white except women.

It has been repeatedly pointed out to you that upon request for ID on multiple occasions Crowley was responding by giving ID but that Gates repeatedly shouted over the response.

If that has been ‘repeatedly pointed out to me’ it has been pointed out by people who are adding their own words to Crowley’s own report.

Crowley’s own account says only that he twice told Gates he was Sgt Crowley- no first name, no identification. He did not provide the identification card he was required by law to provide. He did not give him his full name.
Identifying himself verbally as Sgt Crowley is NOT fulfilling the requirements of the law, and it was NOT answering Gates’ question.

Crowley knew Gates was not asking for verbal identification because he says when he asked Gates for ID, Gates initially refused, demanding that Crowley first *show* his own identification. Crowley never showed his identification as asked, and he never once claims that he does, let alone ‘repeatedly’ or ‘several’ times.

If I had cited medical professors, would you say they were all liberals too?

rokemronnie on July 30, 2009 at 5:04 PM

If they were liberals belonging to a liberal school of the philosophy of medicine, opining on a metaphysical yardstick for interpreting behavior, sure, why not?

Maybe Gates needs to acknowledge that Negros are living proof that the American Indian had sex with the Buffalo.

workingforpigs on July 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM
You guys want racist comments like this to represent your position?

rokemronnie on July 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM

yeah, that’s a real stellar statement. You’ll notice everyone ignored it for the complete pile of crap that it is. Really sad that you want to try to connect that to our possition, I suppose it’s easier to focus on that and ignore all the holes getting punched in your arguments by serious commentors.

In domestic disturbance situations, a person can be taken into custody in their own home for nothing more than verbally threatening other occupants of the house. In other words, threatening words count as threatening acts.
unclesmrgol on July 30, 2009 at 10:29 AM

If you bothered to read Prof. Silverglate’s article, you would have seen that Gates’ words did not rise to the level of a threat of violence. Gates would have been acquitted six ways to Sunday. His speech was protected *and* it didn’t meet the standard of disorderly conduct based on existing case law in Mass.

In any case, the fact that men’s rights are routinely abused when charged with domestic violence is not a persuasive argument. I know someone who was assaulted by their wife, he had scratches and a ripped shirt, but he was pretty angry when the cops got there so the victim got arrested. Feminists have persuaded PDs to arrest whoever is belligerent, usually the man regardless of who initiated the violence.

Maybe Gates needs to acknowledge that Negros are living proof that the American Indian had sex with the Buffalo.

workingforpigs on July 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM

You guys want racist comments like this to represent your position?

I think she knows every police officer, fireman and politician in Greater Boston on a first name basis. Listen and learn the truth.

TheBigOldDog on July 30, 2009 at 3:05 AM

So you’re saying that she’s a badge bunny and a firehouse groupie?

When the faculty of the Harvard Law School, pretty much unanimously says that Crowley was out of line, well, he was probably out of line. That includes both liberal and conservative law profs.

You mean just like the professors of Duke “pretty much unanimously” said the members of the lacrosse team where guilty?

Religious_Zealot on July 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM

That was mostly from Duke’s liberal arts faculty, not a cross section of some of America’s finest legal scholars. Harvey Silverglate helped start FIRE, which has been of monumental assistance to campus conservatives. I have my disagreements with Alan Dershowitz, but when he agrees with Silverglate on a civil liberties issue, they’re probably on sound legal ground. Politics aside, Harvard still has a top five law school.

If I had cited medical professors, would you say they were all liberals too?

You know Dude, I just can’t figure out what’s happening here.

You hit the nail on the head, it is about approval and acceptance in the “elite”. ed has been that way from day one when he showed up here and it’s got worse. Go back and read the posts from last week about newts health care proposal and then the response. Listen to the tone, ed really thinks his opinions have weight and influence. I don’t know if he reads the comments on his posts but whoever is giving him that idea isn’t around here. At best his posts are 50/50 pro to con and on most I’d guess the con is way ahead.

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM

You know Dude, I just can’t figure out what’s happening here. It makes no sense to me unless being patted on the back by the likes of Media matters and such feels good or they’ve come to so dislike our partisan rhetoric (clearly we are proud partisans, not objective martians) that they reflexively jump to the other side. Maybe they are just paranoid of being labeled racists. I honestly don’t know but I do wonder.

Gates clearly had a chip on his shoulder and caused the entire problem. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

How do these race pimps always get promoted?

saiga on July 30, 2009 at 10:37 AM

So few today have common sense that it is no longer common. Today, people with “common sense” are complete morons who think they are actually quite intelligent. Most even hold college degrees. They take the obvious and twist and turn it in so many different ways it becomes unrecognizable and Gates comes out the winner and a champion of civil liberties.

You mean just like the professors of Duke “pretty much unanimously” said the members of the lacrosse team where guilty?

Religious_Zealot on July 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Insert photo of big mushroom cloud here blowing away the idiotic simplicity of all the galacticly stupid.

TheBigOldDog on July 30, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Ah yes, and who can forget race pimpstress Wahneema “Jiffy” Lubiano?

workingforpigs on July 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM

“teachable moment” or banned poseur?