Maybe Gates should have stood on civil liberties rather than race
posted at 10:55 am on July 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Henry Gates erred, says Christopher Hitchens in a must-read Slate piece, by assuming to know the motivations in a police officer’s heart when Gates found himself under arrest for screaming at Sergeant James Crowley from his own property. Instead, Gates should have avoided motivation altogether and stuck to the strange notion that venting one’s frustration on one’s own property could result in an arrest for disorderly conduct. Civil liberty and free speech are the issue, Hitchens insists, and not race:
I can easily see how a black neighbor could have called the police when seeing professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. trying to push open the front door of his own house. And I can equally easily visualize a thuggish or oversensitive black cop answering the call. And I can also see how long it might take the misunderstanding to dawn on both parties. But Gates has a limp that partly accounts for his childhood nickname and is slight and modest in demeanor. Moreover, whatever he said to the cop was in the privacy of his own home. It is monstrous in the extreme that he should in that home be handcuffed, and then taken downtown, after it had been plainly established that he was indeed the householder. The president should certainly have kept his mouth closed about the whole business—he is a senior law officer with a duty of impartiality, not the micro-manager of our domestic disputes—but once he had said that the police conduct was “stupid,” he ought to have stuck to it, quite regardless of the rainbow of shades that was so pathetically and opportunistically deployed by the Cambridge Police Department. It is the U.S. Constitution, and not some competitive agglomeration of communities or constituencies, that makes a citizen the sovereign of his own home and privacy. There is absolutely no legal requirement to be polite in the defense of this right. And such rights cannot be negotiated away over beer.
Race or color are second-order considerations in this, if they are considerations at all.
In my former career, I worked closely with police and fire departments across the country. The overwhelming majority of interactions were at least polite and professional, and many warm and friendly. Even when we had different short term goals, we had similar long term goals — the security of the communities they served. However, in more than a few cases, my staff and I had to deal with officious, condescending, and hostile representatives who treated everyone as their enemies. Instead of understanding the role and scope of their authority, they used their power as they saw fit, and in those cases went beyond their authority in demanding some kind of compliance to which they were not entitled. And it might surprise a few people that we saw that dynamic more with fire marshals than any other type of authority figure.
(An old industry joke: What’s the difference between a fire marshal and God? God doesn’t think he’s a fire marshal.)
When the Gates story first broke, I refrained from commenting on it until Barack Obama foolishly took sides without full information, mainly because I’ve had a couple of similar interactions with law-enforcement officers who either enjoyed their power a wee bit too much or simply had one bad moment. At that time, I mentioned a party that I attended many years ago that drew noise complaints. Someone mouthed off about a warrant, which provoked the officer to charge into the house without permission, thump his finger repeatedly into the smart-alec’s chest, and threaten to arrest everyone at the house. That broke the law and was an abuse of power, which his partner was smart enough to end by grabbing the officer by the arm and dragging him back out of the house. Race played no factor at all in that incident, but like Hitchens’ experience, it has stuck with me ever since as a reminder of the potential cost of demanding that the police stick to the rule of law while keeping the peace.
James Crowley sounds like an outstanding officer, but arresting someone on their own property for yelling at the police sounds a little strange. It seems at least plausible that Crowley had a bad moment and used poor judgment, not because of race, but simply because he’s human and has a tough job. Had Gates stuck to just those facts, he would have provided a teaching moment and a lesson on civil liberty and the right, at times, to yell at the representatives of our government when they appear to trample on the rights of citizens — even when the citizens are wrong in assuming the motivations involved.










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Maybe Gates should have remembered his keys and showed a little more humility when he “stupidly” forgot them.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM
When you’ve got a Chip on your shoulder the size of Gates’, it tends to suck brainwaves out. Even if you are an esteemed Harvard professor.
bridgetown on July 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM
This is exactly right, and what first crossed my mind when hearing of the story. In this case, race got in the way of the true issue.
Vashta.Nerada on July 29, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Hitch is spectacular when he’s right, but here he’s spectacularly wrong. Gates acted like an ass when a cop answered a 911 call and came to his door. Period.
I guess we all do have the right to act like assholes and treat police officers like “the help,” but we don’t have the right to expect said officers to thank us for the abuse.
funky chicken on July 29, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Why – because he’s a black man in America?!?!?!
/Henry L. Gates
Ted Torgerson on July 29, 2009 at 10:59 AM
a documentary based on civil liberties isn’t as interesting as one based on racist police
gatorboy on July 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Also, I disagree.
When you are outside yelling “This is what happens to black men in America!!” You could very well cause a dangerous riot to begin. That’s not okay.
bridgetown on July 29, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Yes, it’s a big shock that Professor Race Baiter, PhD., got involved in an issue involving race.
This guy probably got a woody the size of a Sequoia when Crowley approached him.
“Now’s my chance to be Martin Luther King to Bull Connors”, he thought.
Instead, he’s just a minor jackass who exposed the Commander in Chief Jackass, Barack Obama.
And it was good.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM
All the officers on the scene have said Crowley did the right thing, and they seem sincere about it. Act obnoxious and crazy enough and you’ll get popped. Property rights are neither nere nor there.
Plus, I would guess there’s nothing more satisfying than cuffing a man who has just screamed in your face, “do you know who I am?”
S. Weasel on July 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Which is why we need not hitch our wagons to these people too quickly (see also: the guy at the McCaskill townhall meeting).
mankai on July 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Given the raging debates on Hot Air over any video showing potential police abuse I think that Gates would have garnered some sympathy with that approach.
Bill C on July 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Amen. This isn’t a racial issue, it’s a civil liberties issue. Why any “conservative” would defend the government’s right to arrest you in your own home for being impolite is beyond me.
To paraphrase Radley Balko of Reason – conservatives correctly are skeptical of government interference when it comes in the form of a bureaucrat or regulator, but when it comes in the form of a police officer, suddenly conservatives think the government shouldn’t be questioned.
Police officers are government employees with guns who have the power to use force against private citizens. Such power should be met with strict scrutiny, not deference. Gates may be an ass, but last I checked, in America you’re allowed to be an ass. Anyone who thinks Gates got what he deserved isn’t serious about defending individual rights.
Enrique on July 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Too busy playing the racism victim.
marklmail on July 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM
And then again….. maybe Gates is just an ass-hole.
Spider79 on July 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Remove the name Gates and insert President Obama. Birds of a feather and all that good stuff.
Knucklehead on July 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Huh. disappeared comment. I’ll try again.
Hitch is spectacularly wrong here. Gates acted like an idiot and a jerk when a cop came to his door in response to a 911 call. I do suppose it’s our right to behave like a jerk and heap abuse upon police officers, but it’s not our right to expect the cops to then thank us for treating them like “the help.”
Gates holds the police in disdain and is a hateful race baiter. He showed his true nature in this incident. I don’t believe he deserves support on any grounds.
funky chicken on July 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM
From a legal perspective, being on your own property is not a defense to disorderly conduct.
From a practical perspective, if you verbally abuse a cop while he’s doing his job, then you are an idiot who deserves to be arrested. There was no reason for Crowley to take Gates down until Gates himself created one.
Blacksheep on July 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Please excuse my confusion — are we saying that there is no such thing as disorderly conduct inside one’s home?
jwolf on July 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM
This isn’t someone being Rude on his own property.
This is a man trying to incite something.
If there had been a group of black people near by, who thought it meant something, they very well could have started rioting and hurting the cops/destroying property.
There’s more to this than a rude person on his own lawn.
bridgetown on July 29, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Just watch Chris Rock’s video on “You’re going to get your a** kicked”, a vey well researched instructional on how to deal with the police.
major dad on July 29, 2009 at 11:06 AM
NoDonkey,
So you’re saying the government should have the power to detain people in their own homes if they hurt a cop’s feelings? You’re right – freedom’s totally overrated, dude.
I guess Gates shouldn’t have been so uppity, huh?
Enrique on July 29, 2009 at 11:06 AM
a black person cannot be racist
liberal343 on July 29, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Yeah, I’m not getting that. Have we found an inalienable right to scream at the police on your own property? Is that like King’s X or something?
S. Weasel on July 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Hitchens is mostly right, but, as an atheist, he cannot assert the truth without endangering his own anti-God belief, namely, that these rights are part of our human nature. The Framers of the Constitution recognized them as being given us by God, not the State. By saying that it is because of the Constitution that we have those rights, he would be saying that it’s sovereignty in one’s house is not a right of those not living under the Constitution.
That quibble aside, I agree with Ed and Hitchens that Gates should have taken the civil liberties approach. It’s sad that the media hubbub focused on race and not the fact that a man was arrested in his own home for yelling at a cop.
Fallen Sparrow on July 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I’ve seen that. Maybe it is gun envy? They never seem to get the respect that police do – I bet it nags at them.
Vashta.Nerada on July 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
You’re right, he’s kind of like Nelson Mandela.
I remember when he was invited to have a beer with the South African President, that was truly a dark day for freedom.
NoDonkey on July 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Civil liberties would have had more play to it, for sure, but hey, then Skip “Mr. Chips” Gates would not have mouthed off to the cops in the first place. And we would not be discussing this.
Mr. Joe on July 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Uh, but he’s a race peddler… You saw this video didn’t you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0gaK-Nato4
And then there’s this:
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&pid=0&sid=1725138&page=2
This guy is just a POS. End of story.
RightWinged on July 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Enrique on July 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM
That argument doesn’t hold up since the cop was responding to a 911 call reporting a burglary in progress.
Gates went nuts and accused the cop of racism, and ranted and raved for quite a long time, and even followed the cop outside, screaming and acting like a fool. Yeah, I guess he’s got a “right” to do so, but the cop isn’t obligated to be somebody’s punching bag (verbal or physical).
funky chicken on July 29, 2009 at 11:08 AM
…yeah blogs like Reason were covering this…
Gates not standing on civil liberties says something about him and his buddies… They don’t give a flying f*ck about individual rights and are more interested in filming a documentary of victimhood.
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:09 AM
That is what we are saying. Of course there are limits to that; one cannot endanger or harass neighbors, etc. I don’t know if he was inside the house or on the lawn trying to incite something – if the latter there is a valid case to be made for arresting him.
Vashta.Nerada on July 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Enrique at 11:03 is spot on. I’m as white as they come and I had a similar run-in with the San Diego, CA PD. They have a policy of driving around suburban neighborhoods looking for expired car plates. They then tow the car and hold it until you pay an exorbitant ransom. I had paid my registration fees, was insured and licensed but needed a $1000 repair for smog purposes and was saving for it. On a peaceful Saturday morning I looked out and they were towing my only means of getting to work. I went out and told the guy what a crock of sh*t this was (quite loudly) and asked him what he would do if I got in MY car and tried to drive away. He said he would shoot me dead in front of my kids who were standing at the door. After a lot more yelling (nothing more) I was hauled downtown. Yes, Gates is a jerk, but we cannot allow law enforcement to become nothing but armed revenue agents either. The sanctity of private property is the crux of true conservatism.
barberik on July 29, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Christopher Hitchens is so full of BS.
I mean seriously – this is the guy who had the brains to think he could beat up the Nazis in Syria. He really should be dismissed out of hand.
Americans don’t have a “civil liberty” to abuse Cops – not on the streets, not in their homes. These people protect us in the same manner our soldiers do overseas.
Period – end of story.
Hitchens is an idiot.
HondaV65 on July 29, 2009 at 11:12 AM
But if he stood on Civil Liberties, how could they craft an unconstitutional “Hate Crimes” bill?
TexasJew on July 29, 2009 at 11:13 AM
there’s being in your house and then there’s being on your property….have to agree with funky chicken@11:08
cmsinaz on July 29, 2009 at 11:13 AM
The point of the whole kerfuffle is Obama interjecting himself into the story. Also, black or white-don’t mess with a cop investigating a break-in.
ndulik on July 29, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Actually, funky chicken, that’s exactly what our right is. I take it you’re not familiar with the Bill of Rights?
Enrique on July 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Precisely.
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Gates should have listened to the cops and focused on making a coffee cake for the eagle eyed neighbor who reported the break in. I hope my neighbors are that protective of my property.
myrenovations on July 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
No, I’m sorry. This simply is not a property issue. There is no special set of behavior rights for your own front lawn.
S. Weasel on July 29, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Your problem is with the ridiculous laws of the State of California. Look in the mirror – you elected the idiots that passed those stupid laws.
Your problem is not with the police officer who is only enforcing the law.
Maybe you guys in California should kick out a few of those busy body liberals you keep electing and you wouldn’t have these problems?
Here in Louisiana – I’ve had zero problems with cops – zilch, zero, na-da – and it’s because we’re still FREE here in Louisiana – at least for the moment.
HondaV65 on July 29, 2009 at 11:15 AM
You don’t have all the facts, Ed. You criticized Obama for jumping to conclusions without the facts and then make the same mistake.
Here’s one actual FACT that I do know. Every single person who was present during the arrest–from other officers to witnesses to the lady who called the police in the first place–who has made any public comment has said the arrest was proper. No witnesses have come out to back Gates’ side of the story. While that isn’t “proof,” it does suggest that Gates’ conduct may have gone beyond simply “complaining” about police misconduct from his porch step.
Outlander on July 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
That said, I’m not surprised by the fact that he was arrested. It’s possible to treat cops with scrutiny and respect at the same time; in some ways this is similar to the story here some time back with the 72-year-old woman who got tazed. Was the cop right to do it? A thin line, but it’s also not surprising that when you act like a complete douche and escalate things with the cops that they don’t just stand there and take it.
Fallen Sparrow on July 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
http://www.reason.com/news/show/135039.html
…and although I’m not sure I’m in the exact same camp as Goldberg (close though), he makes some good points
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGNhMDBhYzY5ZTAzNTU3NTYyY2JjOGRhZTUxNGIzMzM=
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
The minute the police showed up Gates found an opportunity. I wouldn’t be surprised if his goal was to be arrested. Most people do what they can to avoid handcuffs.
sherry on July 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
“Black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, white, white, white, white, black, black, black!!” – Insightful and thoughful academic.
“Perhaps you should cooperate with police trying to help you.” – RACIST PIGS!!
/MSM
mankai on July 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
It doesn’t matter that he was on his own property. He was a) outside his house; b) engaged in “loud and tumultuous behavior” and c) creating a public disturbance.
Any honest person who has read both the police report and then read the penal code to understand Crowley’s grounds for arresting Gates. It was not Gates’s outrageous behavior to Crowley, it was the public disturbance Gates created by continuing to shout invective from his front porch into a public street where there were seven passersby who had stopped to see what was happening.
That’s why Crowley said in his report that the people in front of Gates’s house were surprised and upset by Gates’s behavior.
Here is the legal definition of disorderly conduct New York Penal Code:
aengus on July 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Harvard professors should know better.
Don’t we have a Harvard professor as a President right now?
portlandon on July 29, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Maybe we should stop validating these cretins by awarding them tenure for teaching such mindless, worthless shite as ‘black studies’.
LimeyGeek on July 29, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Good point. If I’m away and someone is breaking in, I want my neighbors to look out for my place; it’s what we do for each other.
Fallen Sparrow on July 29, 2009 at 11:17 AM
In all of this discussion, I don’t recall seeing where Crowley knew it was Gates’ property at the start. Gates could have been an intruder, a returned estranged husband on a stay away order, or whatever. The fact that he’s older and somewhat lame and very glib puts him in the company of a lot of bad guys, who are often on drugs. Crowley simply has to go by the book.
He has to ask him out since the possible perp may have a gun stashed. It also gets him on “neutral” ground.
In all of this, Crowley really isn’t “thinking” too much. He’s following the drills and seminars and other training he’s been through. The thinking is the expertise he has in getting an arbitrary person, who is in doubt, to respond rationally and to determine what the hell is going on, while following the law and not getting killed. It’s a tough job.
Blagden Alley on July 29, 2009 at 11:17 AM
This is not a property rights case. There are plenty of things you can do in your house that you cannot do on your front lawn or porch. Try yelling racial slurs in your house, now go on your front lawn and continue yelling and see what happens. Do whatever you are doing in the bedroom with whomever you are doing it with, now do the same things on your front lawn or porch.
Howcome on July 29, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Hitchens doesn’t have all of the facts straight. The arrest didn’t occur INSIDE Gates’s home. It happened on his front lawn. The police report and witnesses all clearly state that. The officer states that the arrest occurred because Gates was creating a scene that was causing alarm to bystanders.
flutejpl on July 29, 2009 at 11:18 AM
When has not having all the facts ever stopped Ed?
Sigh.
HondaV65 on July 29, 2009 at 11:18 AM
I believe we are all in agreement that what Gates did was foolish. The question is, was it illegal? I’m wondering what is case law in this kind of situation. To put it crudely, how far can one go in “being an asshole” and still be legally in the clear? If Gates just yelled at the cop in his house, is he OK? Can he still do that in the yard? On the street?
jwolf on July 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM
gates is a racist it’s called reverse profiling. he couldn’t stand taking orders from a white cop and got what he deserved. the real problem is he is a friend of obama and has no respect for the law or people of other races
rjoco1 on July 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM
… hey, “black studies” is a step above “Studying my, your, and their wee-wee”
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM
If hippie libertarians still upset that Gates was arrested, after having read both the police report and the penal code, they should suggest altering the penal code in order to change the definition of disorderly conduct to allow for “unreasonable noise” and “tumultuous or threatening behavior”.
aengus on July 29, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Enrique on July 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Huh, so the 3rd amendment says I can treat police officers like garbage and scream unfounded accusations of racial bias at them?
Wow. I never knew the Bill of Rights said that I can verbally abuse police officers. Do I get to physically assault them too? Gosh, I can’t wait to exercise these newly-discovered “rights.”
//jeez
funky chicken on July 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM
funky chicken, your position seems to assume police officers are uniquely virtuous individuals who would never abuse their power. The fact that police officers have a dangerous job shouldn’t exempt from criticism, especially since the consequences of a police officer having a lapse in judgment are much more severe than when civilians have lapses in judgment.
Conservatives don’t want the government to have power over our health care choices, but many of them do want the government to have the power to detain us in our homes for being impolite. That seems inconsistent.
Enrique on July 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!
Hitchens has gone insane, and I’m starting to wonder about you too, Ed.
“Oh those obnoxious cops – the exception that prove the rule!” I have met obnoxious employers, employees, baristas, burger slingers, postmen, politicians, etc.
That whole story about walking in the woods, and giving the cops lip – then the “white guilt” about a black man couldn’t do this. Give me a break.
I am black, and I “wouldn’t” backtalk the cops because I am not a jerk, like Hitchens, Gates, or apparently Obama.
Agrippa2k on July 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM
aengus:
Didn’t this occur in MA?
barberik on July 29, 2009 at 11:22 AM
-sigh-
He wasn’t arrested INSIDE his house.
He was arrested OUTSIDE his house after he, of his own choice, FOLLOWED the officer outside to continue to berate him.
Look, if you can’t get the facts straight, then maybe you shouldn’t comment at all.
Religious_Zealot on July 29, 2009 at 11:22 AM
+1
funky chicken on July 29, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Hitchens, chase a responding/helping cop outside your house screaming at him and yelling about talkin’ to his momma. Let’s see how your subtle civil rights argument works out for ya.
marklmail on July 29, 2009 at 11:24 AM
And the only reason you’re allowed to do many things inside your house is that it’s behind closed doors and nobody, presumably, can see you.
S. Weasel on July 29, 2009 at 11:24 AM
But that would require Gates to not be who he is: an over-priveleged, racist Victim who only got his job by evoking white liberal guilt. Bit like our w*nker of a president, really.
Fortunata on July 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM
exactly
funky chicken on July 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM
is there a single journalist out there willing to write that maybe, just maybe that gates is a liberal race baiting azzhole. if it had been any reasonable person non racist person they would have showed there I.D thanked the officer and that would have been the end of it WTF……
SHARPTOOTH on July 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM
There never would have been an incident had Gates not tried to bring race into this. It’s one thing to just be arrested over a legitimate difference of opnion or see an instance when an officer goes off on a power trip and that would be wrong but that’s nothing close to what happened here. To follow the officer to his car and berate him for being a racist when he was simply doing his job is asking to be arrested no matter where you are.
cadams on July 29, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I don’t know why this isn’t sinking in! Anybody who watches “Law and Order” knows the police get you outside, before they arrest you. Still the cop didn’t ask him outside, he was followed. Obviously he had lost his senses.
Agrippa2k on July 29, 2009 at 11:26 AM
C’mon, Ed. Gates wasn’t arrested for just “mouthing off.” He was arrested for a real criminal offense, written and passed by elected representatives of the citizens of the Commonwealth of MA, and defined in their legal code. And he wasn’t in the privacy of his own home, as Hitchens incorrectly states in his piece. It was outside of his home, in the view and hearing of the public. That makes it a public offense.
Police are granted the discretion to decide whether or not to charge people, particularly in minor matters, such as Disorderly Conduct or traffic offenses. If you want, you can argue whether or not it was wise in the grand scheme of things for Crowley to make the arrest, especially given the circus that has ensued. It was a minor offense, no question about it.
But it is a real offense and it’s a pretty weak position to take that a person should be able to commit a minor offense, that an officer might normally choose to exercise his discretion and not arrest or charge for, act like a total jackhole to the officer, and still expect the officer to cut him the same slack that a person who responds politely and respectfully to the officer might get.
I’ve gotten out with a lot of people for all kinds of offenses, many of them minor. I’ve given plenty of people verbal warnings instead of traffic tickets, especially when the person treated me with respect and didn’t BS me about what they’d done. Even when I still felt the situation required enforcement, I’ve done the people favors in other ways, such as writing a person who was doing 62 mph in a 25 for 50 mph instead based upon their attitude. (The difference is whether or not he had to make a mandatory court appearance.) It isn’t that I wanted them to be subservient or “respect my authoritah.” It’s about rewarding civil behavior and taking responsibility for your actions.
But if you act like a dick, you get the full ride. Do you really want to live in a society where officers have no discretion and everybody gets the full ride? I sure don’t, and I think most people, if they really think about, wouldn’t want to either.
Dukeboy01 on July 29, 2009 at 11:26 AM
HondaV65
Are you saying that the CA government was elected unanimously? We (intelligent Californians) are trying to vote them out but we have a populous that is addicted to government handouts. I could easily say your lack of understanding about how representative democracy works is due to your Southern education, but I’m too polite.
barberik on July 29, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Hitchens is an idiot … I mean, this is the guy who was surprised to find out that his First Amendment rights didn’t apply in a country like …
Syria.
So yeah – stupid is as stupid does – and Hitchens is pretty stupid.
HondaV65 on July 29, 2009 at 11:27 AM
If Gates lost his senses, it was long before this particular incident.
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:27 AM
You are being dishonest by characterising Gates’ maniac behaviour as “impolite”.
Early on in the incident, Officer Crowley repeatedly began to leave Gates’s house, but Gates stopped him, insisting that Crowley first tell him his name. But each time Crowley gave his name, Gates kept shouting so loudly that he couldn’t hear the officer’s answer. And when Crowley would again start to leave the house, Gates would again demand his name.
Gates then followed Crowley out into the street and created a public disturbance in front of several passersby.
aengus on July 29, 2009 at 11:27 AM
There is an impression that, as soon as Gates step on the porch the cuffs were slapped on.
He was warned, and warned, and warned (thrice) – fully with “do you understand” protocol. The answer – “your momma”.
Agrippa2k on July 29, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Move your arse out of California then if you don’t like who your neighbors are voting for – but don’t blame the cops for enforcing the laws that you and your neighbors elected them to do.
Fifty states brah – you can easily move to Louisiana and not be bothered with that crap – and wouldn’t you be doing us a favor in raising the intelligence level here?
Your statement is so foolish – who’s the lesser educated? The people in a state who appreciate freedom and the bill of rights? Or the ones in a state that keeps taking rights away?
I rest my case.
HondaV65 on July 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Yes it did but I have not been able to find Massachusetts’s legal definition of disorderly conduct, so I choose the New York penal code just to make my point as I imagine they are very similar. If any lawyers here can provide the MA definition I would be very much obliged.
aengus on July 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM
What if he had whispered “yo momma?”
Crowley’s actions were justified more if Gates was making a raucous – which it appears he was.
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM
I think this is just a convenient way of not explaining the racism of Professor Gates. This is what caused this incident to escalate to the point of arrest. It also explains Dear Leader’s errant response.
d1carter on July 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM
This is a nitpick but I question Hitchen’s understanding of the word ‘modest’.
Also, is Hitchens suggesting that if a guy with a limp and slight and modest demeanor breaks into my house the cops shouldn’t take it seriously?
gwelf on July 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM
It seems to me that a lot of libertarians (Ed, surprisingly included) are PROJECTING other cases upon this one (see Ed bring up yet again something that happened years ago).
If you want a general argument over police authority and their abuse of it we can certainly have that.
But no such thing happened here.
And in their zeal to bring up and rehash past injustices these people miss a fairly simple point:
This case is NOT like those other cases.
Gates was NOT arrested due to racial profiling.
Gates was NOT arrested because he disagreed with the police.
Gates was NOT arrested INSIDE his house.
Gates WAS arrested because he followed the officer outside (read: The officer was leaving the scene but Gates wasn’t “through” with him yet) and made a loud, disorderly PUBLIC scene.
Religious_Zealot on July 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM
The genius of Obama will probably have Robert Gates read Little Black Sambo to Gates and the Cop and have each write a report on the book and what reparations should be paid with the star not having government health care or insurance against Tiger attacks. Only the government can protect you against Tiger attacks.
bluegrass on July 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM
This opinion begs the question…how much abuse should I be able to yell from my window at people passing by my own house and should I be able to abuse the police any more than I should be able to abuse anyone else?
rhombus on July 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM
The White House just released this video statement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwtkdedf7tk
Seriously though, the audio is all real. From audio versions of his books.
RightWinged on July 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Or perhaps his racism becomes more magnified. This clearly wasn’t a situation concerning race until Gates brought it up. This shows just how convoluted his priorities are.
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I can’t believe you got ths so wrong. Officer Crowley was investigating a break in where a witness saw two people breaking into a house. Professor Gates was asked to step outside his house so the police could ascertain the situation. Did Officer Crowley know if there were other people in the house at the time? Did Professor Gates really live there? It sounds like that was not very clear. For safety reason for both individuals, it was a very prudent request. Backup was still coming to the location as per the transcripts and I am sure that Officer Crowley did not want to have other armed officers piling into a house where he was not sure what the heck was going on. This would have put everyone, including Professor Gates, in danger.
It is reported that Professor Gates became extremely agitated and uncooperative. How many times have police officers been hurt or killed by agitated individuals in their own homes. A few years back, NYC police officer Vincent Guidice was killed by the occupant of house during a struggle when the officer fell on a broken mirror.
Please stop saying that the Professor Gates was arrested for mouthing off. There is nothing in Sergeant Crowley’s records that indicate he is like the cop you described in your post.
Aaron K on July 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM
oh, content warning on that
RightWinged on July 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I don’t know what is up with Hitchens. Since he claimed that “obama can learn” (about Islamic terrorism of all things) I have been waiting for his head to explode.
Agrippa2k on July 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Well if he wasn’t arrested for mouthing off loudly, what was he arrested for?
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM
The police report was very specific on what he was arrested for.
Read it.
He was NOT arrested for “mouthing off”.
HondaV65 on July 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Disorderly conduct or, more specifically, engaging in “tumultuous or threatening behavior” and creating a public disturbance in front of several passersby. I know that in a world run by hippie libertarians that would be no law against disorderly conduct but in this world there is, and Gates broke that law.
aengus on July 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM
The arrest was in Massachusetts.
YYZ on July 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM
I did read it.
How was Gates being disorderly? …I’d say by mouthing off loudly. What would you say?
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM
It’s hilarious to see you guys backtrack on this. as it becomes increasingly clear that Crowely did in fact act “stupidly” by arresting Gates.
crr6 on July 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Any man who poses like this – with this body – should be completely ignored due to reasons of demonstrated lunacy.
Ed holds this guy up as some kind of genious – while kicking poo on Sarah Palin for being a mental midget. This is the crazy world we live in.
HondaV65 on July 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM
I said this on another thread, but it bears repeating:
When did cooperating with the police become a “violation” of our rights?
And when did acting rude become something we should lift up?
BTW Ed, PLEASE tell us what “rights” of Gates were violated before he was arrested?
Heck, please tell me what “rights” of Gates were violated WITH the arrest?
Religious_Zealot on July 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Conservatives don’t have to ignore the rule of law just to defend individual rights. What Crowley did was perfectly legal. What Gates did is not.
Maybe we should be discussing the law itself, but there’s been no indication that Crowley broke it.
Stop with the quotes when talking about Conservatives who disagree. It’s childish and does nothing to advance your argument unless all you want to do is throw out names.
Esthier on July 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM
And why is that?
Upstater85 on July 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM
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