Breaking: Blue Dogs win delay on ObamaCare vote; Update: Agreement on cuts, not on floor vote
posted at 12:45 pm on July 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Despite rumors floating around Capitol Hill earlier this morning, Democrats will not rescue Barack Obama’s credibility by getting him a floor vote on ObamaCare this week. The Hill reports that Blue Dogs have successfully stalled the process until after the August recess as they try to win concessions in the bill’s composition:
The Blue Dogs and House leaders have struck a deal to guarantee that the House will not vote on a healthcare bill before August, a leading Blue Dog said on Wednesday.
In exchange for putting off a floor vote until after Labor Day, the Energy and Commerce Committee may be allowed to continue its markup of the healthcare bill this week even if an agreement has not been reached between Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and seven Energy and Commerce Committee Blue Dogs over the content of the bill.
Asked if House leaders had told Democrats that there will be no House vote on healthcare before Friday, Blue Dog Co-Chairwoman Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.) said, “I don’t think [leaders have] made public statements to that regard, but my understanding is that that would be part of an agreement, if they actually do move forward with an Energy and Commerce markup that there will be no vote on the House floor until after Labor Day.” …
“There has been no official announcement on floor timing, but at this point, the odds are that we will not likely vote before we adjourn for August,” a Democratic leadership aide said.
Earlier rumors had the Democrats attempting to arrange a show vote in order to give Obama a little face-saving send-off to everyone’s vacation. Not only did Nancy Pelosi fail to get that much, Henry Waxman all but ran up the white flag on his bluff to bypass his own committee. The only concession made by the Blue Dogs was to continue working with Waxman to change the bill — hardly a defeat for the Blue Dogs, who refused to buckle to Waxman’s demand to take it as is.
Now the House will return to their constituents and hear an earful from all sides of the health-care debate, but the ground has shifted considerably in the meantime. The popularity of ObamaCare has plummeted as the costs have become more known, and so have Obama’s polling numbers. Moderates will face more conservative constituents, but even more traditionally liberal districts are going to look at hundred of billions of dollars in increased deficits with some skepticism.
When Congress reconvenes, expect the moderates to have even more pull — and for the split between Democratic leadership and its rank-and-file to widen.
Update: Both Fox and CNN are reporting that Blue Dogs have agreed to ObamaCare proposals in the House in exchange for about $100 billion in cuts to the program in order to make it less fiscally destructive. Both Fox and CNN are repeating that the bill will not get out to the House floor until the fall, however; the agreement is to get the bill out of the Energy and Commerce Committee by Friday, when the House adjourns for its August recess.
If they’re right, this is a tremendously stupid move by Democrats. It gives the Republicans a fixed target for the next few weeks, with an ability to cite the actual legislation and pick it apart, while painting moderate Democrats as fools who haven’t bothered to read it. Having no final version of the bill would have allowed Democrats to dodge questions about it. This makes them stand on the bill for weeks without getting moved out of way. Call it political target practice, practically akin to shooting ducks in a barrel, for the GOP.
Update II: Ace has more, including some great ideas for activists on this issue.










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Done.
I’m one of the lucky ones, as my Representative is Bill Shuster. So this was a good time to say THANK YOU.
petefrt on July 29, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Call senators. They are voting.
***
I tried calling turncoat Snowe and it was disconnected. I abhor these people.
Mommypundit on July 29, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Liar. Ogabe or any other demorat could personally shoot your mother in the head and you will still pull the lever for them during the next election cycle, mainly because Ogabe is black and hip and whatever.
Bishop on July 29, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Na Na Na Na! Na Na Na Na! Naaaaaaaancy, Good-bye!
Christien on July 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Serious question folks: Did America just die a few minutes ago?
BPD on July 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM
You didn’t get the updated memo, did you? Better brace yourself.
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Per the Washington Post, the agreement has three part: there will be no floor votes before September; $100m will be cut from the cost; and the Medicare reimbursement formulas will be reconfigured to benefit rural areas, which the Blue Dogs disproportionately represent.
ChrisB on July 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM
This allows the Blue Dogs to pretend to listen to their voters and yet go back and vote for Obamacare without ruining their vacation.
TexasDave on July 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Short answer, yes.
FireBlogger on July 29, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Fox reports that it will cut the cost by $100B. Not million.
Sir Corky on July 29, 2009 at 1:29 PM
It died on January 20, 2009.
Knucklehead on July 29, 2009 at 1:29 PM
You are right. My typo error.
ChrisB on July 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM
FIFY.
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM
OT:
Martha McCallum is beating the living sh!t out of some lefty turd right now on the health care deceptions and the lefties’ blatant lies about it.
progressoverpeace on July 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM
America went on life support election night 2008 and went into full cardiac arrest on January 20, 2009. Vital functions are automatically keeping the system running but the patient is hemmoraging money and otherwise is beginning to fade. America is not dead but cannot be sustained much longer with the filty liar in the White House and an out of control Democrat congress.
highhopes on July 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM
If all this crud bho wants gets passed, the only prayer for America is for the states to do the 10th. I live in TX and do hope Gov. Perry will do something to stop the dc bunch for my state. God please have mercy on our beloved Republic.
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letget on July 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Doesn’t matter if they vote tomorrow or September 1. If the BlueDogs have had their requirements met…it’s happening. Obama can use the concessions as signs he has changed the bill to lower costs and everyone is a big happy family. Good job.
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Her guest Angela something got the last word and said that Obama’s promise to cut any bill with pork in it was proven a lie by the stimulus so how can we trust that this bill will do what they say (i.e. let us keep our doctors and current insurance). The left tard responded by saying that there are signs that the stimulus is working and then the segment ended.
Sir Corky on July 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Obama is raping a corpse?
lorien1973 on July 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM
I’ll take 2 double cheeseburgers with bacon and a diet coke….trying to watch my weight.
Texas74 on July 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Paging Dr. Palin…
ZJPolitical on July 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM
The problem is, WE’RE being serious… YOU’RE being silly. The end result of Obamacare will be single payer government run health care… which will be the final nail in the coffin of the US Dollar.
I hope you’re good at foraging food.
BPD on July 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM
You bet this isn’t over.
KEEP VIGILANT! It ain’t over until it’s over.
Put yourself in a blue dog democrat’s shoes. I know it’s a stretch, stick with me here… okay… you are a blue dog democrat and are holding up the House Bill. What kind of offers and promises do you think you will get from the White House to get you to change your mind. Okay. Now, picture yourself holding your position against having the House Bill delayed until after the recess. You think the White House is going to sit around moaning that they possibly didn’t offer you enough?
We have to keep on our toes, and fight for freedom every step of the way folks! The White House isn’t going to lay down, nor should we.
I’m with petefrt. Stay on your representatives; let them know their re-election is on the line (to offset what the White House is offering under the table). We’re on the front lines of a war to preserve our freedom, and it’s internal, and it’s quite real.
It’s not time to exhale quite yet… we can take a short breather when the recess comes.
Danzo on July 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Perry has said he will go the 10th route and refuse to allow implementation in TX.
Vashta.Nerada on July 29, 2009 at 1:36 PM
But will the GOP take advantage of duck season?
ladyingray on July 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Yes but a new utopian nation was born soon after, a socialist-inspired garden full of hope and change, led by a cool black guy who would reduce unemployment and fix everything.
Bishop on July 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Such high hopes, Ed!
SouthernGent on July 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Letting it out of committee and waiting a month for the vote is worse for Obama than waiting all together.
Chuck Schick on July 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Obama is a racist necrophiliac?
Daggett on July 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Every other civilized country in the world has gotten by with single-payer coverage. The Euro and British Pound are ALWAYS stronger than the dollar, as well. I’m sure we’ll make it through. Wow. Who knew Cons were such drama queens?!
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Impossible. Democrats are super smart. Republicans are backwards hillbillies. Or so I am told by MSNABCPS every day.
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Make room boys, I’ll be heading down there. They do have cars in Texas, right?
Bishop on July 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM
my thoughts exactly…
cmsinaz on July 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Wabbit season.
Daggett on July 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Yeah. I heard some socialist flack (D) on CSPAN radio saying that there was nothing in the “legislation” that would cause people to be knocked off private insurance.
WTF?
What “legislation” was he refering to? The “legislation” in his head?
Write the damned bill and let the public view it for 5 days before a vote, Obama (and his minions in Congress). Or are you (all) still lying scumbag(s)?
Aquateen Hungerforce on July 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Reminder, SUPERPAGES is your friend. You can become ANY congressperson’s constiuant via SUPERPAGES.
I’ve called at least a dozen congress reps. today.
stenwin77 on July 29, 2009 at 1:38 PM
You can paint a dog blue but it is still dog.
farright on July 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
I live in TX and do hope Gov. Perry will do something to stop the dc bunch for my state. God please have mercy on our beloved Republic.
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letget on July 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Perry has said he will go the 10th route and refuse to allow implementation in TX.
Vashta.Nerada on July 29, 2009 at 1:36 PM
For the first time in my adult life, I am proud to be a Texan.
txag92 on July 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
For those that can’t handle trucks, yes.
Vashta.Nerada on July 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Wow. The level of stupidity by libs never fails to impress me.
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Keep repeating that Ed Morrissey spin. Maybe it will help you sleep better.
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Alright, I’m convinced…dcwvu is getalife.
ZJPolitical on July 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Do the other countries also have a $70 trillion entitlement hole like the one you idiots left everyone to clean up?
Chuck Schick on July 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
+100
Daggett on July 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Maybe the Blue Dogs really want to kill it and getting the bill out before the recess is a sure way to do it. Hope prevails but don’t lower the guard.
promachus on July 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Yup. Just like Cap-and-Trade. Getting it out of committee was the big obstacle. Then all those concessions the Democratic leadership made to individual Democrats to get it passed were immediately cheered by all Americans as Cap-and-Trade swiftly became the law of the land.
/sarc
ChrisB on July 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Angela McGlowan. I like her. Thanks, Sir Corky. I missed this last bit as I was typing my comment.
LOL. I really can’t believe they are going to try and take this line. Well, I’m happy that they are permanently wedding themselves to the Porkulus.
I always loved Martha, but she was beyond awesome in this exchange. She deserves a blog post for that.
progressoverpeace on July 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I mean do people have cars which would eventually need fixing by the best mechanic this side of the Nile. He!l, maybe I could talk a few of my guys to relocate with me.
Bishop on July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Hey dipshyt… they don’t have $100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities coming up in the next 90 years. We already have that…. You add on an even more expensive entitlement and it’s curtains…. thanks to you and your fellow drones.
BPD on July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM
A $100 million, a $100 billion, what difference does it really make?
A bribe is a bribe is a bribe. The blue dawgs will sellout in the end. Count on it.
Knucklehead on July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM
ZJPolitical on July 29, 2009
cousins maybe?
blatantblue on July 29, 2009 at 1:42 PM
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
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Keep wasting electrons, dcwvu. Maybe someone will care.
(paging sesqi… sesqui, please pick up …)
Mew
acat on July 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
That made me laugh. Thanks Vashta, I might make my way down there too. I can drive stick, but I don’t have a gun… yet.
Sir Corky on July 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Steny Hoyer can kiss his dreams of becoming the next Speaker good-bye.
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Christien on July 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
And I have little doubt that Republicans will still find a way to shoot themselves in both feet.
Vic on July 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Yup. Just because one dollar equals less than same of another currency doesn’t mean a darned thing. Obviously. dcwvu failed international economics. Or most likely, didn’t have to take an econ class to complete his degree in Transformative Cross-Gender Dance and Child Buggering Studies.
PimFortuynsGhost on July 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Cuz the more people hear about the bill, the more they love it. Right?
Which, of course, is a non sequitor. But you won’t let that bother you.
You should really read up about single payer coverage in other countries and how it’s faltering – how it is denying coverage to “useless eaters” and how supplemental insurance is needed to pay for things that the government won’t cover. But you don’t care, I’m sure. You want your binky.
lorien1973 on July 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Regardless of a private or public plan, you will still be unemployed.
No wonder you are a champion of having other people pay your way.
Bishop on July 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
They always have. They are nothing more than democrats who have been successful creating an illusion of being conservative to get elected in coonservative districts.
ICBM on July 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
There will be no spoon.
lorien1973 on July 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
No, I’m serious. Getalife was banned before the last registering period. I think it’s the same person.
ZJPolitical on July 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
For the imbecile liberals:
http://www.canadianpaincoalition.ca/index.php/en/help-centre/clinic-locations
Average wait times to see a pain management in Canada: 2, 3, 4 even 6 months in some locations. What’s waiting 6 months in agonizing pain?
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
pain management specialist that is
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM
I mean do people have cars which would eventually need fixing by the best mechanic this side of the Nile. He!l, maybe I could talk a few of my guys to relocate with me.
Bishop on July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM
And I saddle up my horse
And I ride into the city
I make a lot of noise
Cause the girls
They are so pretty
Riding up and down Broadway
On my old stud Leroy
And the girls say
Save a horse, ride a cowboy.
txag92 on July 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Because they don’t have to pay for their own defense (we do) and because they draft off of the advancements and develpments that are done solely for the US health system, which is where the money is. But we can’t draft off of ourselves, you blithering idiot.
Huh? Do you even know what it means to be a “stronger” currency?
No, you’re a lib. You don’t know jack about anything .. except complaining, pushing utopian fantasies and perpetual motion machines as policy objectives, and crying a lot.
progressoverpeace on July 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM
FTFY
LimeyGeek on July 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM
It makes no difference, especially with how far in the tank we are already. The Democrats will make us seem like Richie Rich hob nobbers by saying that the bill doesn’t cut much out when it cuts $100B, completely missing the fact that $100B barely makes a dent in the overall picture.
Sir Corky on July 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Why do I think that the blue dogs just pulled one over on the lefty libs in their party?
Are they that stupid that they don’t realize that this gives the GOP time to eviscerate this bill (if they have the stones)?
Or, did the blue dogs set it up so that the GOP does all the hard work of attacking this thing for them, saving their skins and helping them back home when votes count?
If they just pulled a fast one it’s brilliant on their part… if they didn’t they just proved they’re just as stupid as their lefty buddies…
angrywonk on July 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Yeah, because you look cool to make wildly wrong and laughable statements about strangers on the Internet. Score.
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Canadians won’t be able to come here and we of course won’t be able to go there.
Guess I better stock up on airline tickets for medical tourism.
Bishop on July 29, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Wow. And this from the party that rants and raves for ‘free speech’, and accuses US of doing such things almost weekly…
At least the books conservatives want to burn are worthless filth!
Dark-Star on July 29, 2009 at 1:47 PM
RP: DON’T BE FOOLED
Go to RedState now and call your congressman: http://www.redstate.com
In the first post, there is a link to call your representative. Click it and put in your zip code and submit. The name and number come up and then you can do your part to make a difference!
Please do this! Please do your part. Posting here is good, but calling your congressmen can make the difference!
kerrhome on July 29, 2009 at 1:47 PM
This is all a load of crap. they just want their pet projects or payola, then they will sell their mothers if they get what they want.
workingforpigs on July 29, 2009 at 1:47 PM
http://www.hhsc.ca/body.cfm?ID=1144
Surgery wait times in Canada:
Cataract Surgery: 26 weeks (that’s 6 months for you morons)
CAT SCAN: 4 weeks
Cancer surgery: 12 weeks
12 weeks? Pffft. Why rush with cancer surgery? It’s not like time is of the essence or anything right?
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 1:47 PM
I’ll take that as a yes. You know it, I know it.
Cheers! :-)
Bishop on July 29, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Remember, August is when the updated budget numbers will be released. Won’t be pretty when a $2 trillion dollar deficit is announced for 2009 and 10% unemployment hits. That’ll -really- help the passage of a bill.
lorien1973 on July 29, 2009 at 1:48 PM
eh
i dont count on it
they got elected as conservative dems. they have a constituency to attend to back home. bear that in mind.
its a strong possibility.
I think this new “liberal343″ is former troll “nice343″
blatantblue on July 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM
angrywonk on July 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Or they are betting – or forgetting – that there’s a strong chance it will die in the Senate, who have no health care agreement with the House, Blue Dogs-on-board-or-not.
ChrisB on July 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Bishop on July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Cars are like people’s horses back in the day.
What I have seen, there’s more autos than residents per household.
We do what we can for global warming, too.
tru2tx on July 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM
A gun is de rigeur, but not yet required by law.
Bishop: Definitely a need for good mechanics. In a similar vein, how are you at up-armoring?
Vashta.Nerada on July 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Um, look at that list again. Most don’t even list their wait times. And most that do are between 7 days and 3-4 weeks. It takes that long to get to a specialist here…and we pay out the nose for it.
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM
They get by, at bureaucratic speed (marginally faster than the speed of smell)….I don’t want to merely get by, I want excellence! And I want parasitic pussies like you to stay the fsck outta my way!
America is the one nation that has been smart enough to not follow the mindless socialist herd.
LimeyGeek on July 29, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Senate will pass something that can get a majority. They’ll stick in everything during reconciliation. They’ve already put the nuclear option on the table with the budget deal earlier this year. It’s available anytime they want it. They are just trying to get some semblance of bi-partisanship and compromise.
lorien1973 on July 29, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Rick “The Hair” Perry will guarantee re-election if he uses the 10th to disallow this “Obamacare”.
Kay Bailey – your only shot is to rally enough support to keep this poo-wich from passing.
The GOP’r that prevents Obamacare from effing up my healthcare gets my vote for Texas governor… Aaaaand break!
Doppleganker on July 29, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Sure they get by.
But it SUCKS!
Why is this a good thing?
blatantblue on July 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I agree with your deficit number, but I think UE will be closer to 11%. I am also betting that Barry will delay the release of the numbers further, based on the delay in the socialized medicine vote. He can’t let those numbers out until after the vote.
Vashta.Nerada on July 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Bullshit. I saw a back pain specialist 3 days after calling to make an appointment. I had an MRI the next week and then needed an outpatient procedure that I had 2 weeks after the MRI. Total out of pocket cost to me about $350 for all of it. And within a month my back pain was gone.
You have no clue what you’re talking about….health care and otherwise.
angryed on July 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM
If you want excellence in nearly anything, you’re certainly in the wrong country. Unless you want excellent obesity rates.
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM
weightist!!!!!!!!
daesleeper on July 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Does it matter if the GOP has a fixed target to shoot? The GOP has practically no say in whether or not this passes. I think that when all is said and done the Blue Dogs will be satisfied at the mere appearance of having injected ‘fiscal responsibility’ into ObamaCare.
gwelf on July 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Massist just doesn’t have the right ring.
daesleeper on July 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM
And my wife’s grandfather got his cancer surgery done in 2 weeks. It would have been a week or less, but HE wanted to wait.
MobileVideoEngineer on July 29, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Absolute drivel. America is #1 by far. I weep with relief when I think of what I left behind.
You are an ungrateful, selfish, petulant little runt.
LimeyGeek on July 29, 2009 at 1:55 PM
dcwvu, Do people come here for treatment or not? How often are you forced to go to Canada or UK for health care?? You libs have to wake up at some point and stand for Liberty!
WhatsRight on July 29, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Canada’s doctor:patient ratio is one of the worst in the industrialized world. Doctors move to the US to get out of the system.
lorien1973 on July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM
And thats why the healthcare system is drowning. Americans demand every little test for every little thing… and they want it NOW. And we are still grossly unhealthy and die sooner than most other Western countries. Meanwhile, the private insurance companies are laughing all the way to the bank.
dcwvu on July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM
I’ll take healthcare in America over any other country.
Be honest, would you rather go to an American dentist or a British one?
gwelf on July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM
And don’t forget that minimum wage increase that kicked in last week. According to Glenn Beck’s experts, umemployment among teenagers is goint to hit 300,000 in the next couple of months.
Knucklehead on July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Next step: Obama Youth.
Then I was thinking, It’ll be reeducation camps after that, until I realized they already have them up and running in the form of our public school system. The ‘re’ part of it meaning: unteaching kids anything their parents might have taught them.
We need to declare an all out no-holds-barred war on this left wing agenda now. We need to knock Humpty Odumpty off his wall before he turns America into one big freaking shanty town.
Sharke on July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM
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