Pablo on July 30, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Obama has admitted his father’s lineage and citizenship which automatically makes him ineligible.

I’ve known since I was 8 that a naturalized citizen (like me, one American parent and one foreign born) can NOT be POTUS, and that is the point we’re trying to make.

If somebody’s dead then anything they said in an affidavit is “unimpeachable”? Can’t be refuted by living witnesses or legal documents showing the dead person’s affidavit wrong?

That is the legal term. If you had actual evidence that contradicted them, you would likely be able to offer it. But barring that, the facts asserted in the affaidavit would be considered fact.

If it was a late registration by either Ann or Madelyn it would explain almost everything that’s happened up to this point – including why Obama is hiding this and how the Hawaii officials can make these official statements without outright lying.

Is 4 days after the birth “late”? Because that’s when the COLB says it was filed by the registrar. But just go ahead and ignore that. The BC doesn’t matter anyway, except for hwen it does. Because he’s still not a natural born citizen, even if he was born in Hawaii, which he definitely wasn’t because THERE ARE QUESTIONS!!!

Good grief.

All that change does is make it so a “birth certificate” contains no actual documentation of its own accuracy.

And why refuse to print copies of the originals? They’ve got them on microfiche. And those documents (together with associated permanent files holding the evidence given for late registrations) are the only documents with information able to be independently verified. IOW, those are the only safeguards against fraud. Why get rid of that?

Now, according to a former CIA investigator who was hired to look into the laws regarding birth records in Hawaii, when they print out a document just like the COLB Obama posted they call it a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth. That began sometime between June 10-18. So you need to update your argument.

It would also be interesting to hear your explanation of why they made that change (as well as refusing to make certified copies of original long-form birth certificates) within one week of the judge in Kerchner v Obama telling Dick Cheney and Nancy Pelosi to get good legal counsel because they were gonna need it.

If you follow the link I gave a couple posts earlier you’ll get to some posts where I explain that Fukino can say she looked at an original birth certificate and followed the law in saying she determined him to be natural-born, even if she doesn’t look at the separate file containing the only documentation of the birth.

If it was a late registration by either Ann or Madelyn it would explain almost everything that’s happened up to this point – including why Obama is hiding this and how the Hawaii officials can make these official statements without outright lying.

Hawaii change the titles of their documents and their procedures for what they will and won’t do?

Any ideas, anybody?

justincase on July 30, 2009 at 2:01 PM

ummmmmm….maybe to standardize, and streamline? Maybe to show once and for all that a COLB is actually a Birth Certificate, that the wording was confusing, but now it is clear and apparent. A COLB is a birth certificate…

But the only thing to do when the facts aren’t on your side is pound the table and ridicule your opponents.

JackOkie on July 30, 2009 at 6:19 AM

Or make up things like you did…
What ruling are you referring to about Obama not being eligible?
There are not “two different formats”.
The COLB was the only format issued for birth in Hawaii, it has been like that for over 50 years. No exception.

Sun Yat Sen was born in 1866, Hawaii explicitly has stated that they have all the records stored from 1909. They don’t “guarantee” anything before that.
Please, stay off the crazy birther sites…you are known by the company you keep.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/29/video-americas-most-famous-birther-appears-on-colbert-for-ritual-mockery/comment-page-4/#comment-2498796

If somebody’s dead then anything they said in an affidavit is “unimpeachable”? Can’t be refuted by living witnesses or legal documents showing the dead person’s affidavit wrong?

Good thing Granny Dunham is dead, eh?

Turns out that sometime between June 10th and 18th Hawaii started printing up the same info as is on a COLB but titled it “CertifiCATE of Live Birth”. They also began to refuse to print certified copies of original long-form birth certificates.

Interesting timing. June 10th is when the judge in Kerchner v Obama extended time to the defendants because he said they would need competent legal counsel. Why all of a sudden did Hawaii change the titles of their documents and their procedures for what they will and won’t do?

Any ideas, anybody?

But the thing is, it’s not just about asking questions. It’s DEMANDING THESE DOCUMENTS THAT WE ALL HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO INDIVIDUALLY EXPECT BECAUSE…WELL, JUST BECAUSE, THAT’S WHY!!!

It’s kinda kooky.

Pablo on July 30, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Noone’s asking you to believe, we are only asking to be ABLE TO ASK the questions; we’d like answers to those questions, but we don’t need/want YOUR answers to those questions.

Especially given that neither Obama nor his half-sister can tell a consistent story about what hospital he was born at, it seems like maybe his birth was registered as not having happened at a hospital – which would mean that the account of Ann or of Grandma would have been taken at face value with no corroborating evidence.

Yeah, I remember my birth in great detail, almost as well as I remember my older brother’s.

Now, even if it were issued upon affidavit, those who gave the affidavits are dead and therefore unimpeachable. Which means those affidavits stand as evidence, and the fact of his Hawaiian birth legally remains. Which brings you right back where you started: empty handed.

Some good advice for you.

Yet Ann and Barack were in Seattle at the end of August, 1961 – alone, without Ann’s parents or husband.

Strange.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105371

Basically shows that fraudulent claims could easily be on the public record, and without saying what documents she looked at or how they were filed nobody can know whether the methods for obtaining a fraudulent certificate were utilized.

Especially given that neither Obama nor his half-sister can tell a consistent story about what hospital he was born at, it seems like maybe his birth was registered as not having happened at a hospital – which would mean that the account of Ann or of Grandma would have been taken at face value with no corroborating evidence.

If so, then either Ann had her first-born child outside of a hospital in Hawaii or she had her first-born child in a hospital somewhere else and lied to Hawaii in order to have him be a US citizen.

I suppose a person would have a baby outside of a hospital even where hospitals were available if they had a very short labor and couldn’t get to the hospital. Any time I’ve heard of that happening, though, it becomes an even bigger story to the mother and child than if the birth had happened in a hospital. We had a gal in our church in Minnesota who had her baby at home because her labor was so fast. Anybody in the (small) town could tell you about it – and certainly her aunts, uncles, cousins, friends, neighbors, etc even if they didn’t live in the town.

I know this issue is a little tough for some of you to wrap your little pea brains around – so maybe those of you who lack the mental capacity to understand the topc should just be quiet and let the Big Boys handle this one mmmmmmmkay?

Now that’s funny. Look out y’all! We’ve got F. Lee Bailey and Perry Mason on the case.

Birth certificate or not, the third point, assuming that Barack Obama Sr. was in fact Obama’s father, disqualifies Obama from office.

According to your esteemed, erudite legal opinion, despite SCOTUS having declined to hear that very issue. And your plan to evict him is what, exactly? Pound on the table? That appears to be all you’ve got. Would you like to borrow a shoe?

Have they made a tactical retreat, or have have we chased them from the field in disarray?

JackOkie on July 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM

No, but since you decline to heed our advice in regards to the futility of you efforts… you may commence your charge General Pickett…

Folks like Pablo apparently have a problem with taking the time to understand an issue, like the facts that

1. There are two different formats and provenances for Hawaiian birth certificates.

2. Sun Yat Sen, obviously born in China, obtained the “short form” COLB, the same document we may or may not have seen on a web site.

3. “Natural Born Citizen” is not the same thing as “citizen”, it means both parents were citizens.

Birth certificate or not, the third point, assuming that Barack Obama Sr. was in fact Obama’s father, disqualifies Obama from office.

But the only thing to do when the facts aren’t on your side is pound the table and ridicule your opponents.

Are you sure? Can you provide a link by any chance, or do you remember the topic or a phrase or anything that I can search on?

FloatingRock on July 30, 2009 at 12:00 AM

It happened in this thread. Read the first two pages of comments. Ed didn’t come right out and say MB4 was banned, but the implication was there and he hasn’t been seen since.

Good Lt on July 29, 2009 at 7:56 AM

How could we since he hasn’t released his CERTIFICATE of Live Birth. You link to the CERTIFICATION of Live Birth.

I realize there is just a difference of a couple of letters there, but those different letters mean they are talking about different documents.

I know this issue is a little tough for some of you to wrap your little pea brains around – so maybe those of you who lack the mental capacity to understand the topc should just be quiet and let the Big Boys handle this one mmmmmmmkay?

He made some comment a few weeks ago about not liking so many Micheal Jackson threads, and was poking fun at Ed about it, and I think he got sent to the corn field.

Tav on July 29, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Are you sure? Can you provide a link by any chance, or do you remember the topic or a phrase or anything that I can search on?

Don’t give up. I intend to continue to press hard on every obfuscation in President Training-Pants’ past and I hope you will too.

You’re better off focusing on the present obfuscations. Those are the ones that will prevent His reelection.

and Gibbs had to dive in (what terrible strategy, to give notice to something you just want to go away), we’re gaining ground.

They don’t want it to go away. They’d much rather have you digging around in the basement than watching what they’re doing. You’re not gaining any ground. You’re wasting your time and credibility.

I think it’s that the thread is about done. Seems to me I carried forward one of your questions / arguments, but I could be mistaken.

Don’t give up. I intend to continue to press hard on every obfuscation in President Training-Pants’ past and I hope you will too. It was great to see you jumping in. If Lou Dobbs and The Corner are talking about it, and Gibbs had to dive in (what terrible strategy, to give notice to something you just want to go away), we’re gaining ground. I have tried to coin a new term (DOCUMENTERS), to point out it’s the secrecy itself that is insulting. I have no idea where Obungle was born – THAT’S THE POINT! We’re not serfs, nor subjects – we’re citizens of the greatest republic that ever was. And Obummer is not the king. Like Joe Friday, I want just the facts, ma’am.