Video: Hawaiian official corroborates Obama COLB … again
posted at 11:36 am on July 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
What does it say about the Birther issue when Fox News covers its debunking while CNN continues to stoke the controversy? Yesterday, Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a second definitive statement that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, as his Certificate of Live Birth states, after having seen the records in the Department of Health for herself. A second Honolulu newspaper produced a birth announcement for Obama in August 1961 as well:
In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii’s health director reiterated this afternoon that she has personally seen Obama’s birth certificate in the Health Department’s archives.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”
On Oct. 31, Fukino originally tried to put an end to the belief among so-called “birthers” that Obama was not born in the United States and thus was ineligible to run for the office of president.
Last July, a Hillary Clinton supporter doing oppo research on Obama dug up a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser from August 1961 that noted Obama’s birth in Hawaii. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin has also found one in its own archives from that month:
Theories that Obama was born abroad abounded during the presidential campaign, even after an official Hawaii birth certificate was produced, along with August 1961 birth notices from two Honolulu newspapers. Numerous lawsuits and emergency appeals were lodged challenging Obama’s eligibility to be president, and all were rebuffed.
People wonder why Obama doesn’t demand that Hawaii release the original records to put an end to the Birther nonsense. The biggest reason? It wouldn’t work. The same people who believe that Obama forged a Certificate of Live Birth twice corroborated by the state that issued it will insist that Obama got someone to forge any new records produced by Hawaii as well. It’s the same reason that having Palin produce her gynecological records won’t satisfy Andrew Sullivan and why producing the phone records from United 93 families to prove that they haven’t been in contact with the supposedly still-alive-but-hiding passengers on the 9/11 flight won’t change Truther minds. The conspiracy theorists have far too much invested in their argument to retreat.
Obama has a valid COLB attesting to his Hawaiian birth, two statements from the state Department of Health explicitly noting his birth in Honolulu, and not one but two contemporaneous reports of his birth there. He’s a natural-born American citizen. I realize that this evidence won’t convince the fringe true believers, but maybe it’s enough to get the rest of America to ignore them to the same extent we ignore the Truthers and the Trig Truthers. Hopefully that will be soon, so we can build conservative credibility to fight the real battles — ObamaCare, cap-and-tax, and other attempts to socialize the American economy.
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Ed
OK we get it, you want some distance from the Birthers, they embarrass you. But that argument there is a non-starter.
I have no idea where Ochavez was born, but what makes you think that the networks now flogging the birth certificate issue has anything, anything, to do with staving off Obamacare and cap n trade? I must say I am enjoying the flap, and don’t see any evidence whatever that Ochavez’s plans for the economy are any closer to fruition.
james23 on July 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM
You laugh but how many people out there still repeat all the Palin myth’s? You know, she banned books, says she can see Russia from her house, made rape victims buy rape kits, shoots wolves from aircraft, is a creationist.
That’s my point.
darwin on July 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM
The truth or falsity of the story interests me less than whether it’s useful. The truthers didn’t harm the dem party but rather provided the passionate footsoldiers. So I’m quite respectful of the birthers. One of them is worth a DC cocktail party full of respectable Uncle Tom conservatives.
dhimwit on July 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Because he LOVES BIRTHERS. They make his heart sing, and he giggles like a schoolgirl when he sees them on the national news.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM
You know what you’re not talking about? ObamaCare. The unemployment rate. The deficit.
By all means, keep on talking about birth certificates. Obama loves you for it.
Caiwyn on July 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM
So many people just don’t get it.
The least vetted POTUS in history, is going to great lengths to keep ALL documents from his past surpressed.
The hopeandchange “new era of transparency” guy is going to great lengths to keep ALL documents from his past surpressed.
The guy who illegally leaked court records of his opponents is going to great … you get the idea.
Now anytime someone calls him on something, they will be lumped in with the “birthers”. Watching the right get outfoxed politically time and time again is just frustrating as hell.
reaganaut on July 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM
You have a business.
You need a CFO for your business.
Do you hire the experienced guy with a strong accounting background and high grades or the guy who has been working at the 7-11 and majored in “Racial Grievance” at college and squeaked-by with a D+ average?
Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM
I don’t care where the man was born, but I’m positive that he is UNAMERICAN.
bridgetown on July 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Understand. Hell, I’m a “natural born” US citizen, and I can’t just walk on to US bases in the UK.
(I can pull out my ID in some cases and get in, though).
BobMbx on July 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM
That’s not the opinion of either the law or any US military I ever knew in the UK.
LimeyGeek on July 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM
RELIAPUNDIT:
PLEASE USE YOUR INSIDE VOICE!
thank you.
mimi1220 on July 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM
The prisoners at Gitmo are considered not to be on US soil. Which is why they don’t have the same constitutional rights that the rest of us have. Even illegal aliens inside the US proper.
MarkTheGreat on July 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM
No. This erupted after a reservist filed a suit. They had to deal with it – but how ? They chose to ridicule (Alinsky rule #5) but they forgot rule #6 : Never go outside the expertise of your people
runner on July 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM
The COLB is not relevant since it’s not a BC, two different Hawaiian health care muckity-mucks have certified the documents (whatever documents they are) as real, the Republican governor has stated the same thing but that doesn’t matter because they are either liberals, democrats, liberal democrats or shills for liberal democrats so their word is mud, birth announcement in papers back in 1961 were faked or aren’t real for some reason or other…
Hillary Clinton and all of her minions couldn’t make anything of this issue because they’re either too stpuid, or are in on it depending on who you read AND EVEN if we now accept the word the COLB is what it is, it doesn’t matter anyway becuase the REAL question is about his dual citizenship or his being a muslim or something…
And even if all of this were true, it doesn’t matter because Obama has never told the truth and he’s hiding SOMETHING having to do with his name or race or religion, which is the real reason he won’t release the records…
And again, even if this is true and Obama is a ‘natural-born’ citizen, WHY won’t he release his college records BECAUSE HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE…
Sorry. It is just like 9/11 Truthers.
catmman on July 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM
So if releasing his long form birth certificate, which I thought was destroyed (but apparently not?), won’t satisfy anyone, now Obama can claim anything he wants and won’t have to provide any evidence at all.
Because after all, it won’t satisfy anyone.
Riposte on July 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM
On this we can agree. Obama is not an American in any meaningful sense. He is merely ‘American’ on paper.
LimeyGeek on July 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM
This idea that “birthers” will never be satisfied, so there’s no reason to unseal Obama’s birth certificate, is a bigger conspiracy than the original.
Rebar on July 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Then why are you here? Shouldn’t you be focusing your efforts somewhere else?
darwin on July 28, 2009 at 12:16 PM
I’m a US citizen, and I can’t walk onto US military bases here in the states.
MarkTheGreat on July 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Seriously, Ed. Are you really this dumb?
Riposte on July 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Just stand on the entirely precise and complete record of truth, beginning with the Constitution, Article II.
The research disproving Obama’s legitimacy deals with the records not only including his long-form certificate of live birth, but also the passport dates of his under-aged mother’s travels preceding Barack’s birth, and the day’s residency requirements for citizenship status in Hawaii, all of which did not substantiate Barack’s legitimacy within the US Constitution’s prerequisite for any POTUS.
Setting aside the fact that Obama, Sr. was NOT an American citizen is stupid. Stupidly producing a grandparents’ proud announcement of their daughter’s newborn is hardly grounds to dismiss the demand for substance produced. Trusting a government employee whose existence at this point depends upon corroborating the status quo is not so convincing, either.
Obama deserves no trust. To insist otherwise is stupid.
But then, there are those populist “leaders” who just can’t take the heat, as well as those who choose to not bother getting hot because after all, it’s so inconveniently uncomfortable. Therefore, according to Alinky-ites, anyone who insists upon fulfilling the letter of the law with regards to maintaining legitimate governance is just another “truther” or “birther”. That substantiates how easy it is to get stuck with the enemy accepting the premise substantiating MSM fodder presentations.
Don’t cower to Obama or be afraid of name calling by any practicing Alinsky methods, including progressives in our own ranks.
Obama still refuses to produce his own certification as required by our supreme law of the land, even in court. Rather, he would rather arrange to dismiss charges than comply with court order to produce the evidence demanded by the Army Major’s suit.
It matters. Morale also matters.
maverick muse on July 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Comment from Ace of Spades:
Remind me again, what was the cute nickname that everyone came up with to describe the people who went to court to get Jack Ryan’s sealed divorce records unsealed on behalf of Obama’s campaign?
And what was in those divorce records that had any bearing on Ryan’s statutory qualifications to be elected Senator?
Posted by: Ortho at July 27, 2009 08:12 PM (hikr8)
Bottom line, Obama is a liar. Every sentence he utters beginning with the word “I” is a lie. Nobody ever told the truthers to stfu, either, because they knew the useful idiots, were… well… useful. They created a perception of doubt. Now in the 9-11 truthers case there was no credible evidence to back their position. Nor is their any credible evidence to back the birther position. Which the Dems are just fine with. They won’t provide the evidence. Period.
alliebobbitt on July 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Guess what, if the MSM jerkwads didn’t have birthers to use as a flog against conservatives, they would either find something else or create something from whole cloth.
Palin is STILL used against conservatism because she is supposedly a dumb broad who likes to shoot animals and has white trash for a family.
If you aren’t used to it already then you must have been living on an asteroid.
Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Oh, I’m just trying to keep people like you from making the entire conservative movement look like the audience for Alex Jones.
Caiwyn on July 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Why try making a point by asking inane questions?
Who cares? It’s apparent you have not been paying attention and not reading the comments. You see there are a whole bunch of people, enough of them to make national news that want BO to produce a bunch of documents but BO refuses to do so.
To further answer your questions about the other people. I don’t think they have been asked or that there is a movement to have them released them. If there was and they refused then maybe there would be attention drawn to it.
It’s really pretty simple to understand but I’m seeing that there are far to many people that just don’t. On the other hand maybe they are like me and this just provides cheap entertainment for them.
jmarcure on July 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM
There’s one person who is really enjoying this ….Charles Johnson! He’s sooooo happy !
sandee on July 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Correct. And, as Pres. Obortion has discovered, that is precisely why they are there. It wasn’t serendipity that they just ended up there.
BobMbx on July 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM
You know, you can actually visit other pages of this website to see us talking about these issues.
Riposte on July 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM
hey morrissey,
the bottom line is millhouse nobama NEVER produced the LONG form birth certificate which states THE hospital and attending physician, as well as other details
any kid who grew up in HI can get a short form cert of live birth. it proves NOTHING.
IF HE WAS BORN THERE, WHY DOESNT MILLHOUSE JUST PRODUCE THE LONG FORM? THEN the case would be closed. he hasnt produced it because he CANT
WORLDNETDAILY.COM for the best info on this stuff
sidewinder22 on July 28, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Not a “birther”. I think the issues of cap & tax, obamacare,foreign policy,decreased missile defense funding,record deficits and so on, should be at the forefront.
canditaylor68 on July 28, 2009 at 12:19 PM
If Fukino would have named the hospital and the doctor I’d probably accept her statement. I still believe in the old Cold War philosophy however ….. “TRUST, BUT VERIFY.”
StimulateTHIS on July 28, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Ok thanks for being so thoughtful. Now how about you try to keep public representatives beholden to the law and prevent them from stealing and lying.
Riposte on July 28, 2009 at 12:20 PM
And wacked out!
upinak on July 28, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Potentially millions of illegal aliens are sitting in Hawaii (claiming to be born there). Possibly a pretext for an invasion. And you all are concerned about 1 person?
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Have any of the other people listed in the newspaper as being born the same week as Obama been contacted so we could see what a real birth certificate from Honolulu, Hawaii looked like in 1961?
Wouldn`t these people maybe like the recognition as being born the same day in Honolulu and maybe even the same hospital as the future President of the United States?
http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf
albill on July 28, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Palin is AWESOME!
Sporty1946 on July 28, 2009 at 12:20 PM
He should be somewhere else because it’s obvious that Ed, Allah and MM are birthers, why else would they seek to distract HotAir readers with constant threads about birthers?
They aren’t concentrating on the big issues. All is lost. Rational people have been given a choice: birtherism or the destruction of the nation under Ogabe. They chose Ogabe.
Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 12:20 PM
+ 1 trillion
As has been pointed out, ending the controversy is simple, but President Obama would rather spend tons of money fighting this in court rather than comply. He can use this legitimate concern to demonize his opponents, and it will never go away, because it is a real issue.
alliebobbitt on July 28, 2009 at 12:21 PM
A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag
runner on July 28, 2009 at 12:21 PM
That’s not what I was literally getting at. I couldn’t go into a US military base and act in accordance with UK law. It was officially US soil. I would be arrested under US military jurisdiction. Of course, the relationship between the two jurisdictions was pretty close….so I’d likely end up in a UK jail depending on the severity of my crime…
Many happy memories of partying with US servicemen…. :)
LimeyGeek on July 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
O
Thanks for looking out for me. If you’d paid attention I’m not promoting the “birther movement”, I’m simply pointing out that this is actually more damaging to Obama than to us. Even if it plants the tiniest doubt about Obama in someone’s mind, it’s useful. The more this stay in play, the more people will wonder why it just doesn’t show it and stop it.
darwin on July 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Obama IS the President. Trying to argue he is not a citizen takes away credibility from those who normally have great intellect and great principles.
Of all the Hills to die on, you would choose a Birth Certificate issue?
Obama will be undone, but not by his live birth certificate.
portlandon on July 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Not all those people have their finger on the nuclear trigger. Just making a point that Ogabe is POTUS, not the local municipal dog-catcher.
Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
“Obama has a valid COLB attesting to his Hawaiian birth”
OH I thought that ended this also until I found out you could be born in a foreign country and still get a COLB from Hawaii.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
JeffinSac on July 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Actually, the birth announcements are really more compelling, since multiple copies of those papers should be held in different locations, so it would be much harder to fake retroactively.
holdfast on July 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
South Korean travel agencies have been selling vacation packages to pregnant women for decades, but we are still very concerned about whether the CIC and POTUS meets the Constitutional requirements to hold office. That takes priority.
alliebobbitt on July 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Hey. As long as we agree that Hawaii is filled with people who are illegal aliens, I think it’s a start.
I demand investigations!
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Ah. The time travel argument comes to the front!
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM
according to whom does the conservative movement look like that ? Gibbs ?
runner on July 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Yeah, but Palin will mop the floor with him in 2012!
Sporty1946 on July 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM
I read a piece from a link to post I do not currently have available to me right now that lists what were the current ways to get a birth certificate in Hawaii at the time Obama was being born in Kenya. Since no one has stepped forward to say they were at the place of his birth beside his Grandmother who said he was born in Mombasa, Kenya. Note there were 4 ways Obama could get a Hawaiian birth certificate. Most were after the fact. For example one parent could swear to the event, Someone could send in a form, swearing they were the parent and that the birth took place. Obama himself could swear he was born in Hawaii and they would issue a birth certificate. Someone needs to see if Stanley Ann Dunham had a passport to travel outside the United States and was it stamped Kenya. Seem Ms Dunham had a habit of registering births late and multiple times. Dig a little deeper. Stop taking this fraud at his word.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on July 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM
A birth announcement in a local newspaper is only worth the change you paid per line to have it posted. It won’t even get you a library card in the real world.
alliebobbitt on July 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM
I agree with Ed on one point: No matter what is produced, shown, or proven, some will still claim conspiracy, coverup, forgery, etc.
It would however push the questions (that I even find myself curious about) out of the mainstream and into the outer fringe where they belong. Just like the Truthers, no matter what Popular Mechanics proved, what recordings were released, whatever, there they still were. But most considered them nutjobs, rightly so IMHO.
There is probably very much something there about using this brush to paint any opposition as crazy, and providing cable news distractions to real issues.
That said, I think I’m going to side with Baldilocks here, that there is merely something embarassing and not nefarious, if indeed there is anything there.
JamesLee on July 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
The lease agreement with the host country gives the US the right to control access to the land in question and the right to enforce their own laws. That doesn’t make it “official US soil”.
MarkTheGreat on July 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Holy cats, I’m agreeing with portlandon.
Caiwyn on July 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Read my posts. That is not my position.
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
“Natural Born Citizen” Means Unity of Citizenship At Birth
So far as the US President is concerned, “Natural born Citizen” status requires not only birth on U.S. soil but also birth to parents who are both U.S. citizens by birth or naturalization.
Article II, Constitution
maverick muse on July 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
I’m not agreeing on that basis, only that there is concern about a President who isn’t forthcoming with anything to prove his worthiness for office.
Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Ummm actually the hospitals post it. You don’t pay… or I should say, no one I know has ever paid for a birth announcement in the paper.
upinak on July 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
There’s a reason the MSM latched on to this so recently. And it 100% has to do with Obamacare going down in flames. Any distraction they can.
oddjob1138 on July 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
All he has to do is walk into the White House Press room with his official birth certificate, signed sealed and hand it to the first report and ask them to pass it around the room. Then, the next time a Colonel challenges his official military orders to deploy he can court marshal his ass. Until that happens this will continue.
TheBigOldDog on July 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Cats & Dogs living together…..
Now I know what Stolkholm Syndrome feels like.
portlandon on July 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Awesome. This “please don’t talk about it” topic is now a “Hot Pick”. Sweet, sweet, irony.
Please don’t talk about it anymore, unless you want to, you know, contribute to traffic :)
Spirit of 1776 on July 28, 2009 at 12:28 PM
need a new one sweetie. My Dogs and Cats sleep together.
upinak on July 28, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Obama’s mother scammed food stamps. She obviously saw advantages to US citizenship beyond Chocolate Jezus’ future bid for the presidency.
alliebobbitt on July 28, 2009 at 12:28 PM
That’s what the Shamnesty folks said, right before they called us bigots and racists and nativists. The Shamnesty supporters were also trying to ignore our Constitution, deny US sovereignty, and break our law. This is just a repeat of that same attitude, driven by cowardice more than anything.
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Why do you think it is that we’re holding people at Gitmo instead of bringing them to US soil? It’s because Gitmo, a leased base, is not US soil.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM
is the thread still all screwy due to the birther pic? Or am I the only one see it?
upinak on July 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM
There is at least one poster here who advocates erecting “Not Allowed” signs to discourage dialogue on things he disagrees with; wouldn’t that make HA a fun place to be?
Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Luckily the guy we hired graduated with high honors from one of the most prestigious law schools in the world. The other guy who applied was in the very bottom of his class though, so I see where you’re going. Gotta watch out.
jonknee on July 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM
hmmm did either of these ever hold a job before they applied?
upinak on July 28, 2009 at 12:31 PM
And if Ed and Alllha and Michelle think this is all “nutburger” conspiracy theory truthism crap then stop cover it unless you enjoy hurting the cause you claim to support. You may feel sophisticated, enlightened and proud to get your names mentioned in places like media matters but I can assure you others view it very differently. So, if you like shitting where you sleep keep on reporting this nd every time Palin breaks a heal or trips up a flight a stairs.
TheBigOldDog on July 28, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Article II of our Constitution has a lot to say about how a would-be President is born. “Natural born Citizen” status requires not only birth on U.S. soil but also birth to parents who are both U.S. citizens by birth or naturalization.
maverick muse on July 28, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Yer outta yer mind, PoP…
Sheesh.
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 12:31 PM
In 1961, she knew this might be an issue so an announcement was published. Best psychic ever!
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Now spend some time reading what you linked and you will understand why the COLB is so accurate.
You can’t “just change” or have a “new one” on a whim…look at what you have to do, then read how it is stamped, and look who has to adjudicate it.
What you posted proves even more that Obama’s COLB is accurate.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Crush dissent!!!
It’s you guys who act like the Obamabots.
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Luckily the guy we hired graduated with high honors from one of the most prestigious law schools in the world. The other guy who applied was in the very bottom of his class though, so I see where you’re going. Gotta watch out.
jonknee on July 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM
The guy you hired is an idiot.
darwin on July 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Not just you.
Abby Adams on July 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Pic is x-lg on my browser, too, but front page works fine otherwise.
Heh. Well, I mean it’s an easy solution for our hosts. It’s an amusing message to say ‘To our posters: STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS (right after I have the last word with this post).’ I just find it amusing.
Spirit of 1776 on July 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Sharks & humans?
Orca & Seals?
Tom Cruise & Reality?
portlandon on July 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
is that the same guy who decided on the high flying career of…community organizing , where he spent 17 years applying his brilliant litigation skills to …community organizing ?
runner on July 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
the_nile on July 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
The worst the US could do is ban you. They casnnot arrest you, only detain you and turn you over to the locals for arrest. If there were prosecution, the locals would have to do it, as you are not subject to the UCMJ. They can’t prosecute US dependents or civilians either. They can make your life miserable, and you could get sent back to the US for trial in federal court, depending on the offense. But the military can only prosecute military members, war tribunals excepted.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I support the lawfare part of demanding a BC,as his career is built on it. Obama is hiding a lot of stuff , and it should be exposed.
His mob crew has dumped millions into hiding and locking down his history.
The anti-nirthers miss that point , yes some poeple will always belive he’s born on Mars, but it’s about treating Obama the way he’s been manipulating the system himself.
It’ time to treat Obama , Axelrod and Rahm the way they attack others.That’s the only way to get a ceasefire,and maybe a new system.
the_nile on July 28, 2009 at 12:35 PM
And they say that would never happen in America…MLK was right!
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Bah, the only thing we disagree on is Peggy Noonan. Our mutual distaste for Obama will always bring us together.
Caiwyn on July 28, 2009 at 12:35 PM
High honors huh? And of course we have the transcripts to go on…laying around here somewhere.
If you actually, you know, READ my post you would have seen references to experience and qualified learning. Even if Ogabe DID have great grades, majoring in “Racial Grievance” or “Social Engineering in Minority Communities” doesn’t transfer well to things such as economics, finance, and business.
Like I said, would you hire an accountant as your CFO or the guy who has a degree in zoology?
Then of course there is the experience factor, but we can’t talk about that either since you would fail to read that too.
Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 12:36 PM
So if Obama had been born in Hawaii and not Kenya (or where-ever), you’d be cool with him on the trigger?
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 12:36 PM
How about other nations saying he was not legitimate according to our laws? How about other countries saying that anything he signed or agreed to is invalid? How about other countries saying our soldiers had no legal authority to take the actions they did?
Sure we might just accept it, which would be wrong in my opinion but would other countries?
If it were found that he was illegitimate and we ignored it would in my opinion damage us more then he could. It would be a violation of the foundation of our way of government and can not be left to stand so he would have to be removed.
I think that for the good of the country two things have to happen.
1. We completely ignore the whole issue.
2. In 2017 we pass a law that says all presidential hopefuls have to have on public record any documents that could call into question their eligibility for the office.
Why 2017? because BO has to be allowed to run as the incumbent and we can’t take the chance that he is in fact not eligible.
jmarcure on July 28, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Seems to have worked out form him, no? Maybe you should give this community organizing thing another go. The pay’s poor, but it makes you feel good and there’s plenty of room for advancement.
jonknee on July 28, 2009 at 12:36 PM
amazing what mothers do for future of their children, cross a hostile border at night, bribe immigration officials, marry US citizens, you name it….
runner on July 28, 2009 at 12:37 PM
TheBigOldDog on July 28, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Ed’s lack of curiosity for thorough research is a lazy reflection of his lack of scholarly discipline.
Michelle’s forte is networking and sniping.
Reportedly, Allah Pundit is legally trained.
Out of these Three Amigos, you’d think at least one of them studied the Constitution before taking a stand on what part of the Constitution is no longer relevant.
It is illegitimate and illegal to dismiss Article II.
maverick muse on July 28, 2009 at 12:37 PM
*for the future*
runner on July 28, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Now I understand your confusion. Indeed, some lands are leased, some owned….the details of the arrangement with the host nation makes a big difference.
In the UK, the bases are not only considered US soil, but US law is supreme, and children born within them are considered US citizens.
The status of the land upon which a military base is located is governed by international treaty, law and what are known as Status of Forces agreements. You really have to look at the terms of those agreements to know for sure.
I know that in some circumstances, childbirth citizenship is determined by parental citizenship and documented through the local consulate.
It’s a messy area of immigration law, for sure.
Anyway, back on topic – Obama is a legit citizen.
LimeyGeek on July 28, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Birther Derangement Syndrome…much?
Christien on July 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM
LOL. The Precedent was an affirmative action baby at Harvard, got awful grades for an editor of the law review (let alone precedent of the law review) and has the intellect of a worm. But, morons like you are impressed with “profit and earnings ratios”, I guess. Do you also drive on the highway at 65 “minutes and hours”?
Your idiot Precedent doesn’t even have an 8th grade understanding of math. The fact that he never learned how to correctly use the indefinite article is another beaut. But, to you, he’s a genius. No surprise, there.
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM
The old joke is….
One is qualified as an attorney, one is qualified as a CPA, and the other is qualified as an office manager…who do you hire?
The one with the big….but then we had to take down all the Fawcet posters also…
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Allahpundit does not care for the “natural born” clause, thinks it should be removed. Go figure…
runner on July 28, 2009 at 12:39 PM
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