Video: Hawaiian official corroborates Obama COLB … again
posted at 11:36 am on July 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
What does it say about the Birther issue when Fox News covers its debunking while CNN continues to stoke the controversy? Yesterday, Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a second definitive statement that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, as his Certificate of Live Birth states, after having seen the records in the Department of Health for herself. A second Honolulu newspaper produced a birth announcement for Obama in August 1961 as well:
In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii’s health director reiterated this afternoon that she has personally seen Obama’s birth certificate in the Health Department’s archives.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”
On Oct. 31, Fukino originally tried to put an end to the belief among so-called “birthers” that Obama was not born in the United States and thus was ineligible to run for the office of president.
Last July, a Hillary Clinton supporter doing oppo research on Obama dug up a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser from August 1961 that noted Obama’s birth in Hawaii. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin has also found one in its own archives from that month:
Theories that Obama was born abroad abounded during the presidential campaign, even after an official Hawaii birth certificate was produced, along with August 1961 birth notices from two Honolulu newspapers. Numerous lawsuits and emergency appeals were lodged challenging Obama’s eligibility to be president, and all were rebuffed.
People wonder why Obama doesn’t demand that Hawaii release the original records to put an end to the Birther nonsense. The biggest reason? It wouldn’t work. The same people who believe that Obama forged a Certificate of Live Birth twice corroborated by the state that issued it will insist that Obama got someone to forge any new records produced by Hawaii as well. It’s the same reason that having Palin produce her gynecological records won’t satisfy Andrew Sullivan and why producing the phone records from United 93 families to prove that they haven’t been in contact with the supposedly still-alive-but-hiding passengers on the 9/11 flight won’t change Truther minds. The conspiracy theorists have far too much invested in their argument to retreat.
Obama has a valid COLB attesting to his Hawaiian birth, two statements from the state Department of Health explicitly noting his birth in Honolulu, and not one but two contemporaneous reports of his birth there. He’s a natural-born American citizen. I realize that this evidence won’t convince the fringe true believers, but maybe it’s enough to get the rest of America to ignore them to the same extent we ignore the Truthers and the Trig Truthers. Hopefully that will be soon, so we can build conservative credibility to fight the real battles — ObamaCare, cap-and-tax, and other attempts to socialize the American economy.
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Bring it on.
Oiling up my AR-15…
guntotinglibertarian on July 29, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Um, how would the Government people be conspiring if, under Hawaii law, persuant to affidavits, as was LEGAL at the time, Obama had a birth cert?
It was NORMAL to give birth certs to those who had affidavits. After that? All the Gov folks are just following the law, and NOT giving out information until yesterday… when, the Sec State said that according to their records (affidavits) Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.
NO conspricy beyond Obama, and whoever put in the origional affidavit, is needed. Everything after that is just Gov people following the law.
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Every one sing along.
I love Barack Obama, he’s my man
About all this birth stuff, I’ll just look the other way, ’cause I can
I’m so sure he’s always looking out for you and me
That he’s an honest man, anyone can clearly see
Whatever he says, is good enough for me
And if things get too bad, I’ll just climb a tree
OK, big group hug now.
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 12:02 AM
I agree 100% which is why I am pushing for documentation. I can’t believe people want to let this drop because they are embarassed by it. Even with the threat of violence I say pursue it. But, I will prepare myself if the crap hits the fan.
mrsmwp on July 29, 2009 at 12:03 AM
he may not be removed from office. who knows, this case has no precedent.
runner on July 29, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Still waiting on “all the evidence” demonstrating that he was born outside the US. Provide credible evidence compelling enough to outweigh the evidence that he was born in the US and I’ll change my tune. Promise.
Hollowpoint on July 29, 2009 at 12:05 AM
what he said
runner on July 29, 2009 at 12:05 AM
Agreed…. this is a HUGE black eye (if true) for both the MSM, and the GOP.
This is a Vet’ing process thing… not somthing that should be coming out 6 months after he is in office.
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:06 AM
By not authorizing their release? Hardly requires a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.
Hollowpoint on July 29, 2009 at 12:07 AM
So, it is your contention that the question is moot? that nothing you heard raises even a doubt as to his meeting the Natural born clause?
And therefore, all inquiry should be shut down?
If cops thought like you, they would never solve any crimes, becaue they would not bother LOOKING for evidence.
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Totally true. Here is a plausible explanation that I heard.
Grandma wasn’t a fool and being borderline commie certainly knew how to work the government system. Stanley and Obama never really had a stable relationship and Grandma wanted to make darn sure that the Kenyan father couldn’t abscound with his Kenyan son if the relationship went south. Having little Barack being 100% American would have made sure that there would be no question of where Barack would end up. The Dunhams had their faults but I am sure that Mom and the Grandparents loved him dearly and wanted the best for him. When Stanley called to tell Mom that she had Barack they immediately got him a BC by affidavit. Stanley wouldn’t have even had to sign in person. Problem solved. Even to a commie, what could be better than American citizenship?
It’s just a theory but one that as a mother makes perfect sense to me.
mrsmwp on July 29, 2009 at 12:10 AM
LOL. I want to get one those!
mrsmwp on July 29, 2009 at 12:11 AM
I have no idea about his medical records but I can offer some enlightenment on his time in college. The Mad Hatter told me that he went to college with him where they both excelled in reeling and writhing, of course, to begin with and then the different branches of arithmetic: ambition, distraction, falsification and derision with additional courses in Karl Marx, Napoleon Bonaparte with washing – extra. I hope that helps clear things up some.
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 12:12 AM
YOU GUYS WON’T LET US SEE THE EVIDENCE. AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH! THIS IS SO MADDENING!
mrsmwp on July 29, 2009 at 12:13 AM
If cops thought like you, they’d be busy trying to find the real killer of OJ Simpson’s ex-wife.
The reason they’re not? Because the evidence supported the conclusion that they already had the killer.
Hollowpoint on July 29, 2009 at 12:13 AM
runner on July 28, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Which leads to the natural question of, “Why did Obama so much want to stop this particular case from going forward?”
Seems like he’s just buying time – while losing a lot of goodwill. Why do that?
justincase on July 29, 2009 at 12:14 AM
In all seriousness, for the most part we are not kooks or wackos or conspiracy theorists. The questions we raise are legitimate and as such deserve an honest and straight forward answer. It is not unreasonable that Obama simply show a document that everyone here has had to show at one time or another in our lifetime. I think that very few of us here can not see that Obama has been a disingenuous, deceitful, dishonest, corrupt, narcissistic thug from his college years thru his community organizer years into his Illinois state senate time, then on into his couple of years as a Senator in Washington and on through the campaign years up until the last 6 or so months as President. One only need look at who he has surrounded himself with in the Administration as well as the 35 or so “Czars” as well as groups like the ACLU, SEIU, ACORN, ect. We all know he ignores the Constitution, established bankruptcy laws, his own Executive orders as well as the one piece of legislation that he co-sponsored concerning the IG’s. It seems obvious to most of us that he hates this country and seems to have no problem apologizing for its “shortcomings” as he travels around the world. We have seen him insult and show disdain to almost every one of our allies while trying to impress and coddle our enemies. He cut all humanitarian aid to our closest ally in South America(Honduras) while actively and openly backing and trying to reinstate a would be dictator who was himself actively trying to subvert his own countries Constitution. He has absolutely refused to release even ONE of his personal documents such as the college transcripts. Is it really such a stretch to have doubts and questions about what is in said documents and to wonder why he would go to such great lengths to hide them(and pay a cool million to keep them hidden)?
I mean really, is it?
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Bah… AR 15… girly gun…. /smile…
how about an M-14, match barrel, which… shots just a bit faster than normal (if you get my drift… LOL).
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:15 AM
None is required in order to ask for proof he was born inside it. Do you actually not know this, or are you just so committed to the role you’ve chosen that you can’t shake it?
Jim Treacher on July 29, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Then why does this?
Jim Treacher on July 29, 2009 at 12:17 AM
And how long did that investigation last?
Kinda like the Bennet Ramsey thing here in Denver? Its STILL open.
Just because you have not FOUND the evidence yet, does not mean that evidence does not exist.
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Please continue, race fans. You sound as dopey as that idiot woman from NW Canada. King Hussein thanks you for your efforts.
simplesimon on July 29, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Huh? I’m real knew to this gun thing. I’ve been trying to read up on guns and ammo and want to go to the gun range and try out some handguns but whatever you just said was like Greek to me!
mrsmwp on July 29, 2009 at 12:19 AM
His very pregnant mother living in Hawaii decides- in 1961- to take a very expensive plane ride to Kenya, give birth in a third-world country, immediately hop a plane back, then falsify having given birth in Hawaii.
Perfect sense.
Hollowpoint on July 29, 2009 at 12:19 AM
While that’s busy jamming, my Lee-Enfield 1917 Mk. III will be firing shot after shot.
MadisonConservative on July 29, 2009 at 12:21 AM
While I don’t subscribe to Romeo13′s particular scenario, I should point out that no government officials whatsoever are required to participate in a “conspiracy” of any kind to make that scenario workable.
Hawaii had in place until 1972 (I believe) a program whereby someone could swear out an affidavit with respect to the birth of a child, and a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth would be issued based upon that affidavit.
If, as Romeo13 contended, Obama’s mother and grandmother did this, the issued Certificate of Hawaiian Birth would serve as the foundational original vital record. The values for dates, times and locations of the birth would be in accordance with whatever they supplied in that affidavit. In official records parlance, this foundational document would be an original Hawaii birth certificate, and any reprints would be issued based upon those values.
Any government official, such as Dr. Fukino, would be quite legitimate in stating that, based on those original vital records, BHO was born in Hawaii at the noted particular date, location and time. She would not be lying, conspiring, forging, or acting in any unethical way at all (setting aside for the moment the violation of law that she engages in by speaking about the contents publicly AT ALL).
The reprints of the COLB shown on the Internet would thus be entirely legitimate and fully legal documents, with no conspiracy or forging at all taking place. Hell, in that scenario, BHO might not even know what his mother and grandmother had done!
Thus, the “multiple people” you decry as so unlikely would devolve down to just two: Obama’s mother and grandmother testifying. Two people is the bare MINIMUM possible for any “conspiracy” to exist, and this would be an entirely pedestrian form of conspiracy, barely worth of the name, and certainly not of the typical elaborate “conspiracy theorist” epithet.
If that were the case (and again, I don’t subscribe to the theory that it did), everything would hinge on seeing the foundational documents, and if the involved an affidavit, trying to run to ground whether the statements that formed that affidavit were all actually true.
Since we know that trivial “conspiracies” of this type can and do happen with disappointing regularity, why the incredulity over whether it could have even POSSIBLY happened in this particular case?
No elaborate cover-up is necessary in the theory Romeo13 offers. No shadowy cabals, no opposition research that has to be silenced, no lying and scheming government officials, no elaborate document forgery or Photoshop efforts.
VekTor on July 29, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Young people do stupid things all the time. Maybe she found out that hubby-to-be already had a wife and wanted to go fight for her man. I have no idea. Also, for some poor-ass people both Barack and his Mom seemed to have no problem traveling the world. Strange, no? But hey, if I could see the BC then I could stop all this speculation!
mrsmwp on July 29, 2009 at 12:23 AM
This woman has just committed the most egregious offense of all, logic combined with reasonableness! She is totally out of order!
Now, I give you fair warning, either you or your head must be off, and that in about half no time! Take your choice!
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Close, but its actualy just ONE person on the affidavit… a single parent under Hawaii law could set this whole course into motion.
Not saying this is what happend…. but it is interesting conjecture.
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:28 AM
We already have evidence that he was. The COLB, affirmation by government officials, newspaper birth announcements- all pretty compelling evidence.
Compelling evidence that it’s all fake and that he was really born in Kenya or some other country? Non-existant.
I give up trying to have a civil, rational discussion about this- it’s as pointless as trying to debate a dedicated member of the Flat Earth Society.
It was a mistake to diverge from a better use of my time- mocking Birthers with absurd alternate theories using lots of capital letters and exclamation points. At least I find that much more amusing than pointlessly going in circles with fantasy-prone conspiracy theorists.
Hollowpoint on July 29, 2009 at 12:28 AM
If I may ask…Madison, guntotin and anyone else who may have an answer or opinion…?
If things got to hell and they do so quickly, there are some of us who may find ourselves at a disadvantage, ya know…like me. I grew up around guns, am comfortable with them, can shoot and shoot straight, but my problem is that my ex-husband was not, so, I currently do not own one and can not afford one. I guess my question is, will there be others who will be willing to arm me(and possibly my older children) ar at the very least “cover me”? I kow that that seems like a strange question, but it has been a huge weight as of late and I worry about it frequently.
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 12:30 AM
/Rasberry…
Never had a Jam with a properly maintained M-14…. but then I was a sailor and not really in the mud…
But…. as Billy Joel said… its still rock and roll to me… can your Enfeild play a little Rock and Roll?
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:30 AM
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 12:27 AM
My answer will from time to time vary with such a serious question.
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 12:32 AM
But the long-form birth certificate, that’s out of the question. Because… just because.
Nor necessary.
When did you start?
Beats thinkin’.
Jim Treacher on July 29, 2009 at 12:33 AM
There are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, and, yours, the third is useless.
Tav on July 29, 2009 at 12:33 AM
You can’t use logic with true-believer cult members who are sloppy drunk with groupthink.
econavenger on July 29, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Focus people! Quit harping on about this ‘born in Hawaii’ business. Start focusing on the ‘live birth’ aspect.
Obviously, he is an evil cyborg.
There was no live birth… there was … assembly required!
bitsy on July 29, 2009 at 12:35 AM
M-14 shoots a bigger bullet than the .223 calibre that the normal AR15 or M16 shoots. Although they shoot at a higher velocity, many of us old school types like the larger bullets, as it tends to go through things, instead of bouncing off things… (I also prefer the 45 to the 9mm).
Match Barrel means that the barrel is made for more accurate fire…
Shoots faster? Lets just say that Full Auto weapons are illegal, so of course NO ONE would have a full auto M-14…
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Nice… Machiavelli… used that quote twice today meself… LOL
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:38 AM
I think I should understand that better, if I heard it spoken, but I can’t quite follow it as you write it.
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Or maybe his mother, while living in Hawaii, gave birth to Obama in a Hawaiian hospital, just like the government of Hawaii states in person and on written documents.
Ha ha ha ha- JUST KIDDING!!! That’s CRAZY talk, I know, right? Who could be so STUPID that they’d believe THAT unbelieveable and unpossible story???
It is ONLY a matter of time before we the mighty Internet EXPOSE the TRUTH about Obama!!! FIGHT THE POWER!!! Stop the LIES!!!
Hollowpoint on July 29, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Thanks for the info! I always try to pay close attention when you guys talk about guns. Too bad Bishop’s not here!
Anyway, can’t you just feel the love again? We’ve all been arguing like cats and dogs over this BC crap but talking about our guns has brought us all back together. Sniff… it’s a beautiful thing.
mrsmwp on July 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM
There’s no need to concoct a conspiracy theory about Obama’s birth in order to ask for proof of his long-form birth certificate. But you’re obviously back in your comfort zone, far from those pesky brain cells.
Jim Treacher on July 29, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 12:38 AM
I’ll type slower next time.
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 12:42 AM
There was someone else here who used that quote now and then going way back but I think he was killed off a few episodes back in “As Hotair Turns”.
Tav on July 29, 2009 at 12:45 AM
and think quicker so that your mind and my fingers are seeing the confusion of what is as one. : )
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Sorry, but I was just discussing the meme that there had to be a HUGE conspriacy theory.
He very well could have been born in Hawaii…. I do not know… but as they have checked for hospital records, and they don’t exist… it raises questions.
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:47 AM
I think it was MB4…. did he get voted off the Island?
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:48 AM
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 12:30 AM
I’m sorry, I know that is a difficult question to answer, but please, will someone answer me as best as you can.
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 12:50 AM
So oft in political wars
The disputants, I ween
Rail on in utter blindness
Of what each other mean
And speculate about a Birth Certificate
Not one of them has seen!
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 12:52 AM
You know whose fault this really is? Those rascally Founding Fathers for putting that annoying, silly little phrase “natural born” in the Constitution in the first place! Those are the real “birthers”, the real kooks and consipracy-nuts. And it doesn’t help knowing what John Jay, John Bingham, and the court ruling in the Elg case means; I mean, it’s just so muddled and not at all clear-cut or black and white. /sarc.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn’t be. And what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?”
Not only does this describe Obama’s world, it describes the world that anti-Documentors/anti-birthers inhabit as well. I, on the other hand, refuse to fall down the rabbit-hole.
Cheshire Cat, it’s all your fault! Making me look up Alice quotes! ;)
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on July 29, 2009 at 12:55 AM
He made some comment a few weeks ago about not liking so many Micheal Jackson threads, and was poking fun at Ed about it, and I think he got sent to the corn field.
Tav on July 29, 2009 at 12:56 AM
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 12:56 AM
Don’t tell me you can’t afford one. I paid 50 dollars for my rifle, and I know they and others like the SKS and Garand can be had for under two bills. You don’t have to go all out and get an AR variant for your first rifle. You’ll need to work on marksmanship anyway.
Sad fact is, if it does, proverbially, hit the fan nationwide, you’d better have an established flag or password with an armed neighbor, or you’ll end up taking one looking for refuge. Best to learn yourself. It’s a responsibility of Americans to arm themselves and be proficient with those arms, not only to protect your family and property, but to protect your liberty against tyranny.
Head down to your local gun shop, and I’m sure you’ll find used rifles cheap. Even Gander Mountain carries used weapons now. Talk to some people at the nearest shooting range, and they’ll be glad to help you out.
MadisonConservative on July 29, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Mine plays Guns’n'Roses.
MadisonConservative on July 29, 2009 at 12:59 AM
We are all mad here. You would never fit in.
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 1:02 AM
Connec up with the Vets in your neighborhood… they will know where to go…
When it drops… internet will be shut down, so you need to know your “local” resources….
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 1:06 AM
All this reminds me of the long ago, now in reruns on some off channels, “chilling” TV Outer Limits episode “One Hundred Days of the Dragon”, I think it was called. It was all sci-fi’ed up but some elements of the plot are similar to what is being uncovered here, or not allowed to be uncovered, depending on how you look at it. Some may not be able to see the similarity, but many would be able to.
Tav on July 29, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Treacher,
You know the Obama takedown of the U.S. is getting closer when Ed Morrisey adopts Saul Alinsky’s methods while becoming a lame Obama defense counsel.
Who would try to argue that a deceptive incomplete unsworn hearsay statement about a document – where the witness glaringly omits the two crucial facts in question and then makes a wild unsubstantiated assertion in what is a political press release – is far more compelling than primary evidence? In fact, he argues the actual document would be useless!
He’s talking about a case where just the mere existence of the primary evidence is known to prove nothing unless the full content of is known, or at least some crucial details. Thus the production of it would logically be only a first step in determining the circumstances under which the document was issued.
The fact that the content is being completely ignored here is clearly designed to obfuscate. This blog post falls under the category of both legal and journalistic malpractice. But it’s par for the course on the new LGFHA.
econavenger on July 29, 2009 at 1:17 AM
Thank you madison, I understand I should be able to, but the reality is today I had to pay $80 for a “new” refrigerator, which to me means that I have to find that money somewhere in the grocery “bill”(I know- the irony!). I am a single mom, recently unemployed, with 3 children at home and 1 in college. For some reason your answer makes me wonder where “our” sense of community has gone. It also makes me realize that you are right, and I certainly should be able to find a kind, understanding person of like mind who will work with me, as they will inherently know the value of working together now as well a later. Because ultimately, we will all need to stand together as one or we will surely be taken out one by one, alone.
Thank you I actually feel better and again I apologize if any of what I have said seems strange. You can always blame the chaotic swings of menopause or the oh so wonderful side trips of the hot flashes(works for me anyhow)
LOL
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 1:17 AM
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 1:02 AM
I’ve noticed. :)
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on July 29, 2009 at 1:19 AM
TV Outer Limits episode “One Hundred Days of the Dragon”
Plot:
The second volume in a collection culled from the 1963-1965 science fiction anthology television series focuses on an experimental drug which allows a con artist to make himself the doppelganger of the secretly-murdered U.S. President. After commandeering the Oval Office, the impostor begins making executive decisions. ~ Jason Ankeny, All Movie Guide
I certainly hope that there is no one here so clueless as to not be able to see a certain similarity. Replace “experimental drug” with “hidden full fledged Birth Certificate” and “secretly-murdered U.S. President” with “secretly-murdered U.S. Constitution” and in fact it is a very good fit. I know this might get some “Suppressionists” all upset but so what.
Tav on July 29, 2009 at 1:22 AM
History demands close scrutiny of those in critically sensitive positions of power and knowledge. Kim Philby comes to mind.
trollkiller on July 29, 2009 at 1:22 AM
Nice to see a few people who still think the Constitution is more important then The One and who are not into juvenile masturbatory groupthink on his behalf.
econavenger on July 29, 2009 at 1:23 AM
*than The One
econavenger on July 29, 2009 at 1:24 AM
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Thank you too Romeo, it does seem like a good time to volunteer and give a little back to those who gave and give so much for me. LOL I actually feel a little foolish as the answers now seem to be so simple. Time to find a different rabbit hole I guess!
I have been stocking up on some things for a while now and do actually have a general plan, it was just that one issue that seemed just out of reach. And I fully understand what an important part is truly is(being locked and loaded).
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 1:27 AM
Robert Hanssen, too.
Christien on July 29, 2009 at 1:33 AM
Actualy kind of funny…. I live on a culdesac in South Denver, in the burbs… and 2 years ago, at a block party in my back yard, I told my neighbors that if they ever felt unsafe… come and talk to me… as I work from home, and am both armed, and have a “bit” of experience….
At the time… they looked at me like I was both drunk (true) and nuts…
Since then… 6 out of 8 of those households have approached me individualy to ask if I was serious about the offer…. needless to say I said yes.
You’ll find that many Vets, like myself, still take our oath to defend seriously…. even as we age.
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 1:36 AM
I could not agree with you more. You have hit the nail on the head. Someone else said similar upstream. I had expected him to be banned, but saw him make a few comments well apart along the same lines. Maybe none of the “powers that be” have been reading the comments here. I think that sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t. The thing that perplexes me is that Ed, and Allahpundit, has seemed like an intelligent and good man, but then how can someone really know from a blog. Maybe he somehow does not even realize what he has been doing or at least somehow does not realize the extreme he has gone to. Maybe they are so fearful of being called “birthers” themselves. It is disheartening. I just mainly read the comments at Hotair now.
semloh on July 29, 2009 at 1:46 AM
Christien
Indeed.
Philby and Obama have some similar background. Both born overseas. Philby’s father, a British diplomat, converted to Islam. Philby pretended to be a conservative at university; but, in actuality was a communist.
Both are/were charming liars. Philby was even acquitted by the House of Commons before finally being trapped in a web of lies by Allied surveillance and cross checking of data. It took a huge amount of persistent pursuit to corner him — and a single foul up by the Soviets of using a double pad cypher more than once.
Of course, in the meantime, he gave our nuclear secrets to the Soviets and outted our operatives to the point the CIA didn’t even try to infiltrate the Soviet Union for some time.
trollkiller on July 29, 2009 at 1:50 AM
I know, and I can’t say how much that comforts me, it seems I had forgotten that there are many more who share and deeply cherish the very same core values as do I. I admit that I had fallen into a trap of my own making, that it was me who allowed the fear of what may come to isolate myself, instead of seeing the obvious choice of banding together with those who also acknowledged that the fear was real and warranted. Again, thank you. I am in North Georgia and there are a lot of us right wing extremist nut job, conspiracy theorists here, thank God!!
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 1:50 AM
Correction, I meant to say Obama and Philby were both raised overseas. We’re still debating where he was born 7 months in.
trollkiller on July 29, 2009 at 1:52 AM
BTW Romeo, know of any fellow, aging vets in my area that may want to take up residence in my basement? – grin -
I’ll supply the 151!!
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 1:55 AM
Bacardi 151? That can be lethal if drank in copious amounts! It can also result in pregnancy!
Tav on July 29, 2009 at 2:00 AM
You are full of shit to suggest that your comments would be edited and you banned for simply disagreeing with Ed or AP. You do yourself a disservice because most readers know that your assertion is a lie.
Mentioning Alinsky pretty much IDs you as someone who cannot think for themselves. You likely never heard his name until Hannity puked it up one night. I despise talking points from both sides. They are like stereotypes of information — useless, inflamed and ultimately untrue despite tenuous connections to reality.
The likely reason you only read the comments is because your ego cannot handle the challenges laid out by some of the best political bloggers online.
The Race Card on July 29, 2009 at 2:01 AM
Tav on July 29, 2009 at 2:00 AM
Yup bacardi 151, I have a very high tolerance, and could drink most under the table, as far as pregnancy, I believe that sex is also a necessary component, but after 4 kids, a tubal ligation, and a descent into menopause, it seems an unrealistic concern. Of course, I am willing to put the theory to the test, as well as reconfirming that theory as often as may be needed to provide hard data(pun intended)!!
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 2:10 AM
Knowing Obama’s background means you can’t think for yourself?
Is it okay if we heard it from Mark Levin?
Jim Treacher on July 29, 2009 at 2:11 AM
Are you on a meth binge?
trace_9r on July 29, 2009 at 2:15 AM
LOL… I can’t drink rum anymore, after an interesting experince in Nasau at the Bicardi factory there…
Now… Tequila? LOL…
Romeo13 on July 29, 2009 at 2:16 AM
Use the 151 for
Molotov CocktailsObama Cocktails.trollkiller on July 29, 2009 at 2:16 AM
It won’t die. CNN is trying to propagate it for ratings and the same nutjobs that believe 9/11 was an inside job (or are Pat Buchanan supporters) are proponents for this movement.
Cr4sh Dummy on July 29, 2009 at 2:19 AM
You do not know what you are talking about, trash mouth. I never said anything about “edited” and I was banned under two other ID’s for simply disagreeing, not using things like “full of $hit” like you just did.
It does no such thing and for you to say that reveals your limited capacity to think.
Again, you do not know what you are talking about. You are just making a wild assertion like you are drunk.
I don’t care what you despise, your royal majesty, and I don’t depend on “talking points”, but you sure have a profound fondness for getting hysterical. BTW, although I am not into them much myself, “talking points” are not always wrong, despite your useless inflamed and ultimately untrue stereotyping of them and so much else for that matter.
I do not find all that much challenge in the “challenges laid out … …” here lately and you sure are no challenge at all. You come across like you have rabies. Maybe you should get that checked out.
semloh on July 29, 2009 at 2:20 AM
Has any investigative reporter looked up the banking transactions of Dr. Chiyome Fukino? Let’s say we go back a year or two to see if there was any spikes in the Dr’s deposits. Maybe the good Dr’s standard of living has vastly changed. Bribes & payoffs can take many forms. I know, I know, what would a person like this be called if they were discovered in obstructing justice, corruption or racketeering? Don’t think about Acorn/Americorp for the moment. Just rememner that they are from the government and they’re on here to help.
When all else fails, follow the money.
Americannodash on July 29, 2009 at 2:25 AM
That is good to hear as apparently “The Race Card” has a very low tolerance for it. So I guess it all balances out. If “The Race Card” had grown up, he would have made a dreadfully ugly child, but he makes a rather handsome pig, I think.
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 2:28 AM
As I have said to you before, I often enjoy your comments. However, please refrain from using vulgarity. I do not want to see you banned from posting.
Loxodonta on July 29, 2009 at 2:28 AM
I think all that gaming is fusing your brain synapses. Try a poll on this site of how many people think 9/11 was an inside job. Or will your ADHD prevent you from doing that?
trace_9r on July 29, 2009 at 2:29 AM
Please refrain from quoting another poster’s vulgar term. Thanks.
Loxodonta on July 29, 2009 at 2:29 AM
Ed, This is one of the few topics in which I do not agree with you and hope you will reconsider. I am not a lunatic on the fringe, either, which probably explains why I enjoy reading all your posts to be informed of important political news from a sound conservative perspective. On this matter, I cautiously read the posts making a case that Obama’s place of birth may not be Hawaii. Rest assured this does not consume all my time or emotional energy; I’ll be fine no matter what turns out to be true or not. However, it does appear there is reasonable doubt regarding Obama’s actual place of birth, and the answers from Obama and the others supporting him that receive press coverage are not clear and certain. They actually leave a lot of questions unanswered and invite further doubt. Specifically, there appears to be a definite difference between the type of certificate Obama received (and has touted) and the normal certificate that was given to babies actually born in Hawaii. His “Certificate of Live Birth” was apparently presented to some babies that may have been born outside the country or otherwise not actually in Hawaii. State officials are not answering specific questions regarding this problem. A full accounting of this, and open transparency by Obama, would stop this speculation and investigation; of course, maybe Obama wants this distraction to take attention off of his many other problems. This is a good place to start paying attention to this problem: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105280
ET USN 71-78 on July 29, 2009 at 2:39 AM
I believe the other human put a $ [dollar sign] in place of the s. Did he not sufficiently clean of the bad potty man’s language.
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 2:39 AM
Tequila? Yum!! Its been a long time since I drank tequila, since I don’t drink alone and have found that most can’t tolerate it!
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 2:46 AM
Where do you think this asinine economic program, insane environmental policy, and government meddling in the private sector lead to, anyways? Double digit unemployment never looks too good on the cities, and they are all bankrupt, already. This ship is headed into very, very rough seas with a nasty, arrogant, little 10 year old as our captain and a collection of lunatics and morons for his crew.
progressoverpeace on July 29, 2009 at 2:47 AM
You rather overrate the charms of your rhetoric. I’faith, for one thing, it does seem monstrous ill-tempered for any society, even a crude one such as yours.
PercyB on July 29, 2009 at 2:49 AM
Cheshire Cat on July 29, 2009 at 2:28 AM
maybe he’s not as think as he smart he is, but rest assured that he is as nasty as he trolls we see
stacy on July 29, 2009 at 2:50 AM
Yes, in most cases in the past, AP and Ed have been very intelligent “good guys” and can do an honest, thorough logical deconstruction of a topic. That’s why the cleverly uninformed, or willfully lazy LGFHA Alinsky-blogging sticks out like a sore thumb.
So many who comment just get sucked up into the groupthink based on AP/Ed’s previous reputation and will mimic what the new cool kids in the MSM or other cool blogs are saying. They don’t understand the fundamentals involved but figure that the HA guys or others do and are thinking straight, when the latest evidence in the current post and others wildly contradicts that assumption. Think for yourselves. It’s blatantly obvious that both are miles away from the top of their game and they could choose not to be intellectually lazy or resort to smearing those they can’t soundly refute. But reading some of HA lately is like tuning in to find Chris Matthews sitting in for Rush. It’s predictable, distorted and muddled thinking. Plus it’s crappy journalism on top of that.
Look, the MSM is being the classic MSM, nothing has changed there. That’s to be expected though and I don’t criticize the MSM for being blind, manipulative sycophants. But when Ed and AP jump on that loaded bandwagon, suddenly can’t think their way though a post and start saying “logic is conspiracy,” “nonsense is fact,” and ignorance is strength,” they should be called on it for their own good.
econavenger on July 29, 2009 at 2:51 AM
The nation is going lower, more than it went higher before.
Time there was reason and progress, but that cup soon runneth no more.
Though we could not caution all, we still might warn a few:
Dont lend your hand to raise no flag atop no Ship of Obama Fools.
Ship of Obama Fools on a intellectually empty sea
Ship of Obama Fools sail away from we.
It was later than we thought, when we still might have had some belief in you,
Now we can no longer tolerate your fumbling antics, Ship of Obama Fools.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on July 29, 2009 at 2:56 AM
Have you researched the “terms of use” lately? The words vulgar and vulgarity are not there. Although, libelous, defamatory, abusive, harassing, threatening, profane, pornographic, offensive, false and misleading are there. The word that the race card used was yes a vulgar term but not a reason to be banned.
Americannodash on July 29, 2009 at 3:08 AM
I don’t believe this doctor is lying. However, many things still bug me:
1. She never said whether or not the COLB presented was truthful and was in sync with the original.
2. Even the president seems to be having problems with his knowledge of what hospital he says he was born in.
3. Why did she say “vital statistics” and not “original birth certificate”? Maybe nothing there, but kind of odd.
4. How come no doctor’s or nurse’s name has come forward? I would think that anyone present at the birth of a future U.S. president would have come forward by now for their fifteen minutes of fame. Maybe deceased?
5. How come she wouldn’t have stated what hospital he was born in? That bit of info is part of the controversy. Also, where are they going to put the brass sign that says “BHO was born here!”?
6. How can she assert that BHO is indeed a ‘natural born citizen’? No one has ever satisfactorily defined that, but some medical doctor is all of a sudden a constitutional expert?
7. Someone here on a related thread said the original couldn’t be released due to HIPAA regulations…then how could the COLB be released then? Also, does HIPAA cover selective service information, college transcripts, his missing thesis, records dealing with his involvement with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, etc.?
8. Then there’s the Khalidi going away party video locked up in the LA Time’s vault.
Nope. Nothing to see here folks, move along now.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 29, 2009 at 3:34 AM
Indeed. Let us know if that ever happens, OK?
Pablo on July 29, 2009 at 4:24 AM
Any time one of our bloggers begins to sound just like Gibbs, something’s definitely not right. I never thought I’d see the day when bloggers on HA would actually quote Gibbs on anything (“the birthers will never be satisfied”). Isn’t the old axiom “If Gibbs says it, it must be wrong?” Thought I read that somewhere… You deniers/unbelievers, do you realize that you are in agreement with Gibbs?! Take a step back and reassess. What’s wrong is right, what’s right is wrong… and there I said I refused to fall down the rabbit hole!
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on July 29, 2009 at 4:29 AM
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