Video: Palin’s farewell speech reinterpreted by master thespian/starship captain
posted at 3:29 pm on July 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
The Daily Show’s riff on Sarahcuda was funnier — watch the first nine minutes here, especially the bit with their correspondent on the scene heckling the media — but this better captures her, er, unique place in the culture. On the one hand, she somehow managed to ramble in a speech she had three weeks to prepare; on the other hand, no less a pop-culture icon than Captain Kirk showed up to goof on her. Whatever else she may be, she’s a bona fide star. There’s got to be a comfortable living in that somehow going forward.
For what it’s worth, I liked this better than “Mr. Tambourine Man” but not quite as much as “Rocket Man.”
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From now on, I will. You really do nothing but nitpick with this smug tone, and usually pretty much the same argument (she’s dumb, she’s not Reagan or Thatcher, she can’t speak well in public); I never see much of a positive nature from you if the subject is Palin. It’s just being a wordier troll. Not worth the effort.
Dear Allah, let’s have an ignore function…
ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Isn’t it fun that Shatner, Hollywood and the MSM have the spare time to launch a new style of attack on Sarah Palin while our country goes down like the Titanic under Maobama’s policies?
You’d think their time would be better spent making a video that “spoofs” NObama’s incessant lies, his army of straw men, his “ability” to drop his “g”s and talk folksy when talking to the NAACP, the irritating way he raises his voice at the end of declarations to make them sound important, and worst of all, his annoying claims to a mandate to completely wreck this country and its relationships with its allies.
Never mind that America herself is under attack and that Sarah Palin is doing the best she can to save our great republic, she’s nothing but a figure of fun!
Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Dave never whined. Terryanne never whined. I didn’t whine. Nor did we engage in ad hominem attacks. We simply stated our opinions.
But when a Palin post comes up, any opinions other than ones which come uncomfortably close to the type of unquestioning adulation we all witnessed from Ogabe’s cultist are not to be tolerated.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Anyone who watched the interview quite reasonably thinks that she was not able to name what she reads. Does this mean she doesn’t read? No. Does this mean that she doesn’t know what she reads? No. What it means is that she was unable to answer a very simple question–for whatever reason–on national TV with a huge audience. That is a very, very, very big problem for her, whether you are willing to understand it or not.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Show me where I ever said she was dumb.
Go ahead.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM
How do you know she has ideas if she’s unable to articulate them?
ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Nobody here said she was dumb. And the silly arguments re Reagan and Thatcher are usually coming from people who are incredibly trying to compare her to them. None of us come out of the blue and arbitrarily begin asserting that she is no Reagan.
Again, the problem you people have is an inability to think critically and you are way, way too dependent on the fallacy crutches. Stop with the red herrings, straw men, and general non sequiturs.
And it isn’t nitpicking to point out that a politician should be able to communicate effectively.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM
For Chrissake, she could have at least said “The Wall Street Journal and the Anchorage paper”.
Look, the woman was governing a (small) state, raising a family that includes a special needs baby, helping her husband with his business, etc, etc.
We didn’t expect her to read the freaking New York Times and the Economist.
But,come on…
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Only if she was green. I think that’s the clause in the Prime Directive.
mizflame98 on July 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I don’t know which speech you were watching but in the one I watched the Governor didn’t appear to ramble to me. Then again it dosent surprise me that when it comes to Sarah Palin given the strong opinions she tends to elicit in people that some especially in the pundocracy tend to see want to see and that witch fits the narrative of her that they have created. All I can say is that these people need to be very carfull about making sure that their critisisms of Sarah Palin are based on fact and not on generalized caractarizations lest they be seen as “making stuff up”.
Dreadnought223 on July 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM
We aren’t talking about Ozzy Osbourne here. People can understand what she’s saying, she just doesn’t speak well. Quit being absurd.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Her public speaking isn’t any worse then Obama’s. He manages quite a bit of “rambling” without a teleprompter.
elclynn on July 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Point ‘em out, Professor. And begin with my question above. She apparently can communicate fairly well.
ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM
After you. She’s unable to articulate but yet she’s able to articulate.
ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Seriously, get some common sense and stop repeating the media meme of the day, week, or year. 73% of all Republicans don’t seem to think it is a very,very big problem. And 40% of all American don’t either. Without any common sense you may think 40%? 40% is terrible. Most people realize at this point it is remarkable and a great start.
jmell7 on July 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM
To be honest, her communication skills aren’t any worse than most politicians out there. But this is Palin: the bar is higher. That’s what irks me.
ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM
We aren’t talking about Obama, but I disagree. Obama is bad, though.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Maybe you didn’t engage in ad hominem, gtl, but go back and read Dave’s posts. Yes, you’ll find a few Palin zealots here and many more who are falsely accused of being zealots just because we think relentlessly s****ing all over a nationally recognized advocate of low taxes, respect for the military and defense of American ideals who doesn’t ape Hollywood approved political figures is – oh I don’t know, a bad idea?
gtl, I’ve agreed with you on some things and I’m not trying to get into some mano-a-mano internet throwdown here but I think many conservatives are cutting their own throats with the absurd venom directed at Palin.
Django on July 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM
I really could care less how much guntotinglibertarian, Dave S, terryannonline or AP dislike Sarah Palin.
I loathe Barack Obama and Americans need to focus RIGHT NOW on how to stop him taking the United States of America into history’s toilet.
Media-based critiques of Sarah–most of which are baseless and petty–d can wait until elections are in full swing.
We have a country to save and a House and Senate to hold back and win back.
Anything that doesn’t contribute to that end is…hot air.
Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Sorry, Dave, when you offer the least bit of critique regarding Sarah here, the default mode amongst your respondents is absurd.
What’s the big deal? Why not simply acknowledge that we can all agree to disagree about the quality of her speeches?
But no…any dissent must be ruthlessly squashed by ad hominemm attacks, accusations of trolldome, assertions that ware Ogabe lovers, etc.
Of course, these same people have no problem telling their wives, husbands, children, co-workers how they might improve.
But to suggest that Sarah needs to improve – das ist verboten.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:04 PM
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:04 PM
You’re all over the map just trying to avoid looking like an idiot.
Fail.
Django on July 28, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Jesus Christ, you are quite the idiot.
She is inarticulate and mangles her speeches, but people know what she’s trying to say–especially people who already agree with her. What part of this are you having a hard time understanding?
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Gee, Dave, I wasn’t aware that you “dislike” Sarah Palin.
You must be an Ogabe lover.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Thanks. I’ve seen many excellent posts by you here also.
Django on July 28, 2009 at 6:06 PM
There was no venom directed at Palin… only an observation that she is bad at speaking. It was–and always is–the pro-Palin zealots who escalate these things among their ideological brethren.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:08 PM
I have never directed venom at Palin. I like the woman. I like what she represents.
I just don’t think she demonstrates itellectual rigor or strong public speaking abilities.
And it just amuses me how much ill-considered “venom” is spat at me when I voice those opinions.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:08 PM
So must you be.
Palin and her oratory skills aren’t the problem in front of us; Obama is.
BTW, I thought your mother’s opposition to Palin was your big obstacle.
Now, it’s her ability to speechify and her interviews with Couric and Gibson?
Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Criticism of Palin is fine, but the argument that she’s inarticulate and poor at delivering speeches just seems to fly in the face of logic. She’s obviously reaching plenty of people, as evidenced by the crowds she draws. So the only conclusion one could come to is that thousands of people enjoy listening to inarticulate, bad speeches. Not sure I buy that one.
Erich66 on July 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Why on earth would the bar be higher? If anything, I would set it lower, because the politicians to whom one might compare her lack so many of the positive qualities she projects.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:11 PM
No, Palin is. Obama has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
She’s charismatic and representative of ideals that a very large number of people hold in high regard. But she is also a crappy public speaker.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:12 PM
We’ve already addressed that. She draws crowds by virtue of who she is.
Madonna and The Black Eyed Peas draw crowds, too.
So does NASCAR.
But they don’t have to persuade. She does.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:12 PM
I will also add that I think Jon Stewart is an egotistical man. Jon Stewart gets all pissy when people don’t appear on his show. Jon Stewart seemed to sort of liked John McCain because he appeared on his show. He seems to be alright with Huckabee because he appears on his show. When Tony Blair was on his show he moaned about how President Bush didn’t appear on his show. Duh! He wants the President of the United States while two wars were going on to appear on HIS show. I hope Palin never appears on The Daily Show because it will go feed his ego.
terryannonline on July 28, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Dave s, (What could the S stand for?)How about sh*tfor brains? If you had enough intellegence to watch Ziegler’s documentary on Palin you would have learned that Sarah was fed up with Kouric’s stupid questions about what she read and was basicly flipping her off with the answer she gave. You would have also learned how stupid McCain and his super staff were by letting Gibson and Kouric have editing rights with no final approval by McCain’s staff. From the docu. you would have learned that Sarah answered many questions correctly that they edited to make her look dumb. What’s wrong with you guys that write this blog? Do you want to drive us away? If we wanted to hear the fu**ing garbage about Palin we could go to Frum the scum or KOS sites and enjoy their mind numbing childrens hour. I know it produces a lot of hits but so does unzipping your pants on the subway. Grow the f**k up!!!!!
inspectorudy on July 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM
My mother was given as an example of idiot “moderates”. For better or worse, Palin cannot win a national election without persuading them.
Her challenge in that regard is particularly steep, because moderates seem to find her extreme.
So, unless she can charm them with rhetoric as she has charmed us by her values, we’re in trouble.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Exactly… I just want her to show some minimal effort to improve, so that she can achieve some minimal level of proficiency that she would need to actually win over voters.
I agree with you, that the most troubling thing is that she doesn’t seem to want to put the effort toward improving.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Yet you misquoted me, you tried to say I posted something I never posted, maybe not “ad mominem”, maybe you are just dishonest. I have pointed it out, and you called me a liar for pointing out your post was wrong.
Wise up, do you think we don’t get it?
You make attacks without the correct facts, then you “move on” and pretend you don’t “engage”.
Meanwhile, we defend Palin and you guys whine that you are always attacked for attacking Palin.
I am sorry, but you posting a dishonest post, then pretending to be “above it all”, doesn’t hold water. You have been outed…
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Well-reasoned.
Well-written.
Great spelling.
Sure convinced me.
By the way, we agree on one thing: she never should have agreed to do the Couric (not Kouric) interview, as I’ve previously noted.
But she did.
That bothered me. Greatly.
I would have told Couric to show the video of her colonoscopy again.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Once again…put down that crystal meth, homeboy.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Precisely. It’s sort of like a natural baseball player who fails to realize that what worked on the sandlot won’t get you into the big leagues.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:20 PM
I have never directed venom, I just don’t think she is smart or a good speaker…okay. You honestly don’t see your disconnect there do you?
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 6:21 PM
What you are doing is excusing an inexcusably bad performance. I’ve heard the spin, but I am also able to think critically and don’t swallow whatever excuse Ziegler, or McCain, or Palin herself give me.
There is nothing inherently wrong with asking a VP candidate who has suddenly burst into the public’s consciousness what she reads, and there is absolutely no excuse for being unable to answer that question. Maybe it was stage fright, who knows? The point is that these are the types of things that she absolutely MUST fix if she wants a chance of winning in a national election.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Shantner is a no talent buffoon just like that ginger running the tonight show now. Talk about crash and burn.
Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 6:21 PM
There you go again. I never said she is not smart.
I said she demonstrates a lack of intellectual rigor.
Don’t twist my words.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Yet another straw man. Please, engage somebody about what they ACTUALLY SAID, not what is convenient to you.
GTL never said that he “doesn’t think she is smart”.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Do we really think it’s funny to laugh at the Former Gov. while America is going down the tubes?
I have lost my sense of humor and I am mad as hell at what is happening to America.
I am not going to pile on with all the liberals who like to degrade Palin with their so called humor in order to minimize what Palin stands for which in her own way outshines the Socialist Zero and his Gaff Bag side kick who are ruining America as we laugh at Palin.
Yep, the liberals have you all manipulated too, laughing at someone who has a platform to perhaps make a difference and salvage the major damage being done.
Maybe all of you really don’t care.
djn on July 28, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Sarah has that Saint Patrick quality that makes the snakes very uncomfortable.
frizzbee on July 28, 2009 at 6:25 PM
No, Obama is. He’s Precedent.
Sarah Palin is now a private citizen who, thus far, hasn’t announced her candidacy for any political office.
Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM
That is PRECISELY the point. But we’re dealing with people who seem to think Sarah is perfection already and so when we suggest that she has work to do…it…it…disturbs them.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM
+++++
I’m with you, my fellow patriot!
Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 6:27 PM
We are talking about Palin. Not Obama.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Last time I checked, this was a Palin post.
It is entirely possible that Sarah Palin exists separately from Ogabe.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:28 PM
If you were advising palin what would u advise her to do next?
TimeTraveler on July 28, 2009 at 6:28 PM
When, and in what way, did we laugh at Sarah Palin?
Please do be specific.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Clearly. Also, I hate it when people call leftists “liberals”.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
The only work Palin has to do is to work along with the rest of us to stop the NObama juggernaut from destroying this great republic!
What’s disturbing is that Leftists like you try to deflect our attention from the task at hand by focusing on the petty and the unimportant.
Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 6:30 PM
If I were advising her, I would do what she’s doing, but I would add Foreign Affairs, the Economist, and others to the list of things she reads but won’t tell Katie Couric about.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:31 PM
I must confess that I literally LOL’d at this comment. It was perfect in every way… it is art.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Great question.
1. Assemble a small group of prominent conservative advisors.
2. Ask those advisors to recommend remedial reading (Burke, Paine, Hayek, Friedman come to mind).
3. Hold weekly salons with her advisors and invited guests to improve her knowledge of political history, economics, geopolitics.
4. Hire a speech coach and practice rigorously.
5. Hire excellent speech writers
6. Meet personally, on a regular basis, with a variety of moderate and independent voters to try to understand how best to establish rapport with those voting blocs.
7. Having done (6) above, craft a consistent message which speaks to the concerns of those voters and assuages their concerns about their perception of her as an extremist.
That’s a starter.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Yes and so?
Palin isn’t the problem nor are her speaking skills.
The problem is Ogabe: Hollywood (in the form of Shatner) has decided to try and attack Palin to take the focus off the O’s ramming through of Obama Death Care and to destroy Palin personally to ensure his re-election in 2012.
“Ooh, she’s a crummy speaker…Tee hee hee!”
I don’t care how crummy a speaker she is (which she isn’t!), what she’s saying is what has the power.
Palin articulates the bedrock values and truths as first espoused by our Founding Fathers and that’s what matters to me.
Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Ah, I’ve dealt with Jenfidel before. Her heart is in the right place, but her passion overcomes her at times.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:35 PM
I have no problem understanding Sarah Palin. I think it depends on the listener to open their ears and listen
instead of yapping like a tiny ankle biter dog continuously.
Ahh but it pays so well to kill the country. Right soros?
lexa on July 28, 2009 at 6:35 PM
It looks like Obama is going to be a one termer… So if she wants to have chance at the presidency she better get her shit together.
She should throw all her kids out of the house and dump todd for DC.
These kids are only harming her… that Bristol idiot caused her a lot of trouble… She needs to dump these kids.
TimeTraveler on July 28, 2009 at 6:36 PM
I wish to vigorously dissasociate myself with this guy’s comments.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Okay dumb shit…show me the post that backs up this lie.
Here is your lying response:
See where you lied, not once but twice to try to get out of your foolish lie?
Now look at this post:
That’s why people like you have no respect.
You state lies, then you try to cover them by lying even more, then you have your cute statements of “put down the crack pipe”, yet you are the one making misinformed accusations.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 6:39 PM
You would have to be a complete idiot to think John Kerry was a war hero but 48% of the population did.
Speedwagon82 on July 28, 2009 at 6:40 PM
You gave some good advice do you think she will take it?
Do you think she is taking advise from DC insiders?
She needs to completely abandon the family for a couple of months and go on these lecture tours.#$@$!$%
TimeTraveler on July 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM
What advice would you give Palin if you were her adviser?
TimeTraveler on July 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Oh, I guess he meant she doesn’t do push up with her brains?
Why get on me, he is the one who posted the outright lie about me being on the “floor” looking at the teleprompter.
Get on him for making false accusations, then you can try and tell me that he meant she as smart, just “intellectual lazy”.
Good greif…you guys must be sleeping together. Please when reading your friends post, keep both hands on the keyboard.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM
I have come to the conclusion that there are absolutely no conservatives worthy of leading the way. Every single one has a flaw that we simply cannot get beyond.
Well, at least we have our standards.
Queen0fCups on July 28, 2009 at 6:45 PM
You talking about their side or our side?
Apparently, it is now mainstream for those who claim to be conservatives to treat fellow conservatives – candidates, political personages, HA commenters, in a similar manner. The m.o. is to bash, ridicule, and hound people into voting for their candidate. It’s going to be a repeat of 2008. Therefore, you can count on the GOP losing in 2010 and 2012.
Blake on July 28, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Classic….perfection is what we seek…pure perfection, anything less is not worthy.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 6:47 PM
This is really tedious.
Simple: Someone else rhapsodized about Palin giving that speech with a broken prompter.
I noted that the prompter glitch, from what I heard, was only 12 seconds.
You stepped in to claim that you had been at the convention and that the glitch lasted for much longer than 12 seconds. You challenged me to provide proof of the 12 second assertion.
Since I don’t owe you zip, I replied that I heard the 12 second thing from Shep Smith the night of the convention.
(In a subsequent comment, you agreed that the media had put forth the 12-second story).
I challenged you to provide a link to prove that the glitch lasted longer than 12 seconds. I expressed my doubt…which still persists…that a person on the crowded convention floor (if, in fact, you were even there, which I doubt) could have ascertained what the hell was going on with the prompter.
You have failed to provide any convincing evidence of your assertion.
Done
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Gosh, if I had put it that way, instead of “intellectual rigor”, I would have felt like I was patronizing you.
But yeah, buddy, I did mean “push up with her brains”, if that’s what it takes for you to “get it”.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I’d never get into politics. I’m too easy to anger. But one thing I would tell her is to stop talking about Alaska so much in her speeches and can the “most patriotic” applause lines because it sounds like shes pandering. Ronald Reagan didn’t preface every speech with some praise of California, did he? It makes her sound parochial and, unfairly or not, Alaska isn’t really seen as a normal state by most people.
Speedwagon82 on July 28, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Good advice. I would have said “provincial” rather than parochial. But it’s true…she needs to get off the Alaska thing. Nothing wrong with loving her beautiful state, but it really carries no weight in the lower 48.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Best to drop your attacks on r2b’s credibility, g.t.l.
The teleprompter story was confirmed by multiple witnesses.
Palin was observed giving speeches at multiple venues during the campaign and she’s not dependent on the teleprompter, like a certain POTUS we could name.
You don’t have to watch her head constantly move left to right and back again, also like a certain Precedent.
And when she speaks (no matter how cr*ppy you, AP and Shatner think it is), her audience is inspired, impassioned and motivated to take back this country.
I am Sarah Palin. She speaks for me.
If you think she speaks badly, then you’d think the same of me–which is what Sarah’s been saying all along: that the elites think they know better than us, speak better than us and can run the country better than us.
Epic fail on all counts as you can see from the state the country’s in today!
Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 6:55 PM
This pretty much sums up last year’s primaries.
Speedwagon82 on July 28, 2009 at 6:58 PM
I explained to GTL the following, but sadly he only repeats lies and liberal media talking points.
First of all, almost all media outlets originally reported the fact that their was a teleprompter malfunction. Then to try and tamp down any enthusiasm they reported the fact that it only went down for about 12 seconds, but failed to report that when it came back up, and because of applause line pauses the real malfunction was that it was way ahead of her actual speech.
How could one easily ascertain that from a crowded floor. Well maybe you didn’t know that besides the 2 little teleprompters to the left and right, there was a huge television type screen in the center along the back wall. I was not a delegate but had a floor pass from the host committee and along with others and media it was a mass standing herd of cattle. BUT, they would not allow anyone to stand near the center of the floor because of this teleprompter screen. If you were anywhere near this screen you could look over and read what she was saying. And there were many of us who kept reading lines 10 seconds before she actually spoke those same words. And it’s not like a paragraph on the screen but 2 sentences at most.
BTW, Rudy had the same problem in his speech just prior to Palin’s. The damn thing would not stop during the applause and kept moving.
jmell7 on July 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM
You are an outright liar…a complete utter liar, I even gave you the link of the person who posted that…and you sit their and outright lie.
Unbelievable, you just lie like that because you can, or because no one else can’t read the links?
You actually think that you can just lie and no one will know what a stinking low life liar.
Am I wrong? Post where I stated that.
What a complete idiot, fool, stupid, ignorant, lying sack you are.
I gave you two links, several chances and you still just outright lie about it.
How can someone prove they didn’t post something, when they didn’t post it…you have to come up with the post, and you can’t, so you just say someone did.
What a fool you are….a fool….over two years of posting on here and this is the first time such a blatant liar, has been so bold.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:01 PM
As another example of “not demonstrating intellectual rigor”, consider what you were not doing when you wrote that post.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Thanks, but I never posted that it was jmell7 that posted it. He was the one at the party.
But GTL is too stupid to research, he would rather just promote a lie.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:03 PM
This from a person who can’t get their stories straight, even when given several chances to check out their lies…they stick with their lies.
Sweet…a serial liar saying I don’t get it….
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:05 PM
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Why are you obsessed with such a silly little point? GTL reiterated the entire exchange and makes sense. Your comment is unreadable.
For what its worth, I also remember hearing that it glitched for only a few seconds, and I also would question claims that someone on the convention floor would necessarily have any particular expertise. I also know that people who were in a better position disagree.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Thanks. I like your list and those were things that Palin should have done as soon as McCain showed interest in picking her. She should hire a better speechwriter now. But for the other stuff, I think its too late because if she did, the news would leak that she was doing it, opening her up to more ridicule.
Speedwagon82 on July 28, 2009 at 7:07 PM
His version of Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds was pretty rockin’
vcferlita on July 28, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Also, subsequent Palin speeches are strongly suggestive that she wasn’t bravely fighting a malfunctioning teleprompter that night.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Your wish is Allah’s command.
OhioCoastie on July 28, 2009 at 7:08 PM
You and I have gone toe to toe a couple of times…but you are so correct on this. So on spot.
Her attacking the “elites” and bringing the message home is what we need, and what we will even more desire in the next couple of years.
Obama’s lying, his snobbishness, aloofness, will be the liberals downfall.
And people like Palin and Jindahl (another “crappy” speaker that turns on the audience) are the kind that will resonate.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Another thing… she needs to break herself of the habit of using the same keywords and phrases in every speech… in any given speech, she says something along the lines of “we should tap those God-given resources here in Alaska, and send it down to hungry markets in the good ole’ US of A and progress our energy independence”.
Use different words from time to time, mix it up… if it sounds to recitative it turns people off.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:10 PM
That pretty much says it all about Dave. Jonathon Martin says it so it must be true. How gullible must one man be.
jmell7 on July 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM
alright right2bright,
I think i must have confused you and someone else…probably jmell.
My apology if that was the case.
As DaveS has shown with his link, the prompter did not go down, which was the whole point of the controversy.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Because, telling a lie is wrong, but you don’t think so.
Then repeating the lie, and when called out, calling the person offended a liar for being correct, is not wrong.
My question is, why are you defending someone that so blatantly lied, then tried to cover it up by calling that person a liar. Integrity isn’t from the person who lied, and it lack of integrity isn’t the person who caught the liar.
Look at who and what you are defending…you want to attack the person who was lied about, and embrace the liar…you tell me what that is about? What does that say about who you side with? Who you relate to, even if you dislike someone, when they are in the right, they are right…live with it, or give up your integrity.
You know I didn’t post that…but it is up to him to man up or be a liar.
His choice, not yours.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:14 PM
No, Jindal is the anti-Palin. He lacks charisma, but is very eloquent and sounds like a hyper-informed policy wonk.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:14 PM
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Sorry, but I have no idea what you’re talking about.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Without Sarah the Feisty, the conservative base fails to show up at the polls, Obama wins with a 15% margin, even more (R) reps are defeated and even ObamaCare gets steamrolled through Congress with no debate or opposition.However, her role in that campaign had to be a fighter. (McCain sure wasn’t going to do it.)Going forward, our conservative candidate in 2012 will need to be ready to lead a decisive roll-back of the encroaching hordes of socialist coyotes which are surely going to proliferate over the next 3.5 years.
I hope Sarah maintains a strong presence in the GOP, but I hope even more that she makes herself a stronger candidate if she ultimately decides to vie for leadership. I don’t fault her for speaking about Alaska when she was still Governor there (Reagan DID talk alot about CAL when he was still its governor.)
Sarah was a naturally good point guard, using all of her teammates’ skills in leading a team effort while on the attack–but she needs to be a great point guard if she runs for higher office; the kind of point guard who has a clear game plan and disciplines herself and her team to stay on task to get the task done. I think she can, and is humble enough to know that we don’t love her for who she is but what she represents in all of us.
rwenger43 on July 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I would generally agree with your view on Martin.
But his post is pretty well-sourced and agrees with other media at the time, including Fox.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:17 PM
This is an implied ad hominem fallacy. You are attacking the man (Jonathon Martin) so that you can avoid the merits of what he is saying, which I will quote for your convenience:
blockquote>Perhaps there were moments where it scrolled slightly past her exact point in the speech. But I was sitting in the press section next to the stage, within easy eyeshot of the teleprompter. I frequently looked up at the machine, and there was no serious malfunction. A top convention planner confirms this morning that there were no major problems. This is corroborated by pretty much every credible source out there.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM
(let’s try again…)
This is an implied ad hominem fallacy. You are attacking the man (Jonathon Martin) so that you can avoid the merits of what he is saying, which I will quote for your convenience:
This is corroborated by pretty much every credible source out there.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Which in any case is a silly thing to debate, since she has demonstrated repeatedly that she isn’t a very skilled speaker.
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:19 PM
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