Video: Palin’s farewell speech reinterpreted by master thespian/starship captain

posted at 3:29 pm on July 28, 2009 by Allahpundit

The Daily Show’s riff on Sarahcuda was funnier — watch the first nine minutes here, especially the bit with their correspondent on the scene heckling the media — but this better captures her, er, unique place in the culture. On the one hand, she somehow managed to ramble in a speech she had three weeks to prepare; on the other hand, no less a pop-culture icon than Captain Kirk showed up to goof on her. Whatever else she may be, she’s a bona fide star. There’s got to be a comfortable living in that somehow going forward.

For what it’s worth, I liked this better than “Mr. Tambourine Man” but not quite as much as “Rocket Man.”

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DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Dave, did you do debate in HS or college? Or did you just study Latin and logic?

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:19 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Thanks, I hope a lesson learned. A “teachable moment”.
First from your cronies who defended you, defending wrong is not a shiny example of honor. DaveS is an example of character misplaced, attacking the person being attacked by lies is not an honorable position.
Then you adamantly calling me a liar, after being given several chances to back off.
Over two years, and I have been called a lot, but I backup my posts with facts…not accusations. And when wrong, I apologize, no qualms we all make mistakes posting.
The personal accusations are saved for “special” people, who don’t deserve the respect of an honest debate.

right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Another thing… she needs to break herself of the habit of using the same keywords and phrases in every speech

That’s what first set off the alarm bells in my head…after the convention, it felt like every time she showed up, she just parroted herself. My wife and I were watching her at an appearance and we looked at each other with an “uh-oh” glance.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Sorry, but I have no idea what you’re talking about.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM

I didn’t think so…but I had to give it a chance.
Character is something difficult to obtain or understand, so hopefully you will grow into it.

right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:22 PM

This is corroborated by pretty much every credible source out there.

The article itself names 2 sources that disagreed with him. Where are all the other credible sources you speak of. Oh I forgot you’re spoon fed by the liberal media.

BTW the press section of which he speaks was across the arena to the far left of the stage. I don’t think it would be possible for him to see that telepromter in the center from that point. Anyway, it’s kind of like Obama…do I know what I saw or believe what someone tells me I saw.

jmell7 on July 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM

right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Look, we’re on the same side.

And I apologize again. I know how furious it makes me to be called a liar. My remarks weren’t directed at you. But when you came on so strong, I just threw up my hands.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Dave, did you do debate in HS or college? Or did you just study Latin and logic?

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Nothing beyond normal curriculum.

I used to be like them. Then, one day, I realized that there was some pleasure center in my brain that lit up whenever I heard something that reaffirmed what I wanted to believe, and I realized that I was using talking points and bad arguments. I decided I was going to learn to think critically and argue these things on the merits, and I am very sensitive to those things now. Once you start thinking critically, the fallacious arguments start to just leap out at you.

For example, I still like to listen to Limbaugh occasionally, but his whole show is built around elaborate strawmen. I usually agree with his politics, but his presentation drives me nuts.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM

jmell7 on July 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Well, we have several media sources who were there saying one thing.

And you saying another.

And the argument that the applause lines threw off her timing – rather than that there was a prompter breakdown – is compelling.

All that being said, the only time we’ve seen Sarah make a truly stirring speech was at the convention. Other than that, she’s been disappointing – in my humble opinion.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Well, we have several media sources who were there saying one thing.

Who else?

Also must not have had reading comprehension with that magic critical thinking. No One said applause lines threw her off. The teleprompter did not pause during the applause lines, thus moving ahead.

jmell7 on July 28, 2009 at 7:29 PM

For example, I still like to listen to Limbaugh occasionally, but his whole show is built around elaborate strawmen. I usually agree with his politics, but his presentation drives me nuts.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM

I gave up on Rush long ago. Too self-referential, blustery. And his refusal to have guests on the show makes it boring…just 3 hours of Rush’s blah, blah.

Rush’s shtick worked in the days before blogging. Now, there’s nothing he has to say that we don’t already know.

I much prefer Laura Ingraham or Hannity or Beck, who do the hard work of research and production and having really smart guest who add to the content.

Not that we don’t all owe Rush a debt. But there are only so many hours in the day…

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM

For example, I still like to listen to Limbaugh occasionally, but his whole show is built around elaborate strawmen. I usually agree with his politics, but his presentation drives me nuts.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM

I’ve been listening to Rush every day for 17 years–he has *never* ” built a show around strawmen.
Didn’t happen.
His presentation may drive you “nuts,” but 30 million or more people disagree with you.
This fact calls into deep question your opinion of Sarah.

BTW, saying the teleprompter screw-up didn’t happen to Palin during the RN is a Leftist talking point. (Google it.)
Isn’t it strange how that always happens?

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM

His presentation may drive you “nuts,” but 30 million or more people disagree with you.

Let them disagree. 64 million people disagreed with you and I about Ogabe…does that make us wrong?

And because Dave and I don’t like to listen to Rush, our opinions about Palin are invalid?

And I am so done with talking about Palin and the prompter. What on earth does that have to do with the quality of speeches she’s given since?

Nada. Zip. Zero.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Guess what?
Palin isn’t out there to please either of you, DaveS and g.t.l., or make you happy with either her speeches’ content or their delivery.
So where does that leave you?
If AP continues to post these personal, petty attacks on Palin as “news,” I will quit posting here.
I will not have this argument for 3 & 1/2 years while America is destroyed by someone who isn’t worthy to clean Palin’s shoes…much less someone whose speeches are infinitely worse than hers and who was sold to the country as a “great orator.”

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM

I will quit posting here.

Yes, please.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Let them disagree. 64 million people disagreed with you and I about Ogabe…does that make us wrong?

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Nope. That is why America is a republic and not a pure democracy where a simple majority rules. (For now…)

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Yes, please.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:37 PM

After you, a$$hat.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM

And I am so done with talking about Palin and the prompter. What on earth does that have to do with the quality of speeches she’s given since? guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM

It has to do with your credibility and spewing talking points from a discredited media.

jmell7 on July 28, 2009 at 7:39 PM

That is why America is a republic

Honestly, I don’t think we have a republic anymore, in the sense that our representatives are supposed to be responsive to our will.

After TARP, porkulus and Cap n Trade, it’s clear the elites on both sides have nothing but contempt for We the People.

What we have now is autocracy.

And the 2nd Amendment, if we can keep it.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM

I much prefer Laura Ingraham or Hannity or Beck, who do the hard work of research and production and having really smart guest who add to the content.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM

LOL, here’s where we part company. I *LOATHE* Hannity. :-) OK, that’s strong, but the constant soapbox-intensity annoys me and he repeats himself… a lot.

My favorite talk show host is actually Mike McConnell (podcast archives), and lately I have (bizarrely) taken a liking to Dennis Miller. He has gotten much, MUCH better at the radio thing than he used to be when he subbed for Hannity. Both of those guys have the strong libertarian streak too, less party-line.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM

After you, a$$hat.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM

A little shrill, aren’t ya?

God, it’s like poking a little badger in a cage.

Hissssss

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:41 PM

And the 2nd Amendment, if we can keep it.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Gee, I seem to remember Sarah Palin defending our 2nd Amendment rights in her “pathetic” speeches.
Obama? Not so much.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:41 PM

A little shrill, aren’t ya?

God, it’s like poking a little badger in a cage.

Hissssss

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:41 PM

My inability to tolerate you being rude and nasty doesn’t make me an animal.
My response wasn’t very ladylike, but then you are no gentleman.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Actually, my favorite radio show these days is World Soccer Daily, but that’s a different topic.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:43 PM

LOL, here’s where we part company. I *LOATHE* Hannity. :-) OK, that’s strong, but the constant soapbox-intensity annoys me and he repeats himself… a lot.

My favorite talk show host is actually Mike McConnell (podcast archives), and lately I have (bizarrely) taken a liking to Dennis Miller. He has gotten much, MUCH better at the radio thing than he used to be when he subbed for Hannity. Both of those guys have the strong libertarian streak too, less party-line.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Yeah, you know, when I think about it, I don’t listen to Hannity anymore, either. He is repetitive.

I really like Dennis Miller, too, but cannot find him on the air since I moved to CA.

Laura Ingraham may be the brightest of the lot, but my only problem with her is she just cannot resist banging the drum about abortion every 10 minutes and I find that too tedious and too irrelevant. She sure has one hell of a Rolodex, though, which means she gets terrific guests who actually tell us things we haven’t already heard.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Gee, I seem to remember Sarah Palin defending our 2nd Amendment rights in her “pathetic” speeches.
Obama? Not so much.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Who said that Palin didn’t defend the 2nd amendment? Who said that her speeches were “pathetic”? And what does Obama have to do with this?

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM

After Rush, I love listening to Tammy Bruce–a former Liberal Democrat feminist who’s a lesbian.
She loves Sarah Palin.
So does Greta van Susteren.
(As do Rush and Glenn Beck.)

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Who said that Palin didn’t defend the 2nd amendment? Who said that her speeches were “pathetic”? And what does Obama have to do with this?

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Dave, Dave…don’t try. God love ya, but sometimes rational discourse just doesn’t break through.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:46 PM

After Rush, I love listening to Tammy Bruce–a former Liberal Democrat feminist who’s a lesbian

Oh…my…God.

Jen, just when I thought we would never find common ground.

I’m crazy about Tammy Bruce, too.

My only problem with her is that she loves to be photographed holding her .38 revolver, but she hasn’t learned the first rule of gun safety:

KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER!

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:48 PM

DaveS, just curious…where do you live?

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Seriously though, if you’ve never listened to him check out McConnell. He has guests on all the time, and he prefers guests who disagree with him… he’s also pretty good at picking apart arguments, which is fun to listen to.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Seattle. I know….

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Who said that Palin didn’t defend the 2nd amendment? Who said that her speeches were “pathetic”? And what does Obama have to do with this?

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM

g.t.l. forgets to mention Palin’s defense of the 2nd Amendment, even in her resignation speech.
He’s too busy focusing on what he deems Palin’s poor delivery.
You, g.t.l. and others are the ones criticizing the delivery, rather than focusing on the content.
And Obama is the problem we need to focus on because he’s the Precedent, he’s made several moves to control guns and he promised as a candidate to pick up more guns.
I guess you find the fact that gun sales have gone up a bazillion percent since his election irrelevant while Palin is criticized for killing wolves.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Which in any case is a silly thing to debate, since she has demonstrated repeatedly that she isn’t a very skilled speaker.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:19 PM

I think Romney and Huckabee and Gingrich have demonstrated repeatedly that they aren’t very skilled speakers. Prove me wrong.

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:51 PM

You, g.t.l. and others are the ones criticizing the delivery, rather than focusing on the content.

The content is irrelevant if the delivery distracts potential voters from it.

Also, it’s “President”.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:54 PM

I really like Dennis Miller, too, but cannot find him on the air since I moved to CA.

Laura Ingraham may be the brightest of the lot, but my only problem with her is she just cannot resist banging the drum about abortion every 10 minutes and I find that too tedious and too irrelevant. She sure has one hell of a Rolodex, though, which means she gets terrific guests who actually tell us things we haven’t already heard.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:44 PM

So you find being against baby murder “too tedious and too irrelevant,” huh?
(which completely explains your distaste for Palin…)

You can find both Ingraham, Miller or anyone else by either listening on the web (TalkStreamLive) or paying a fee at their site and getting podcasts.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Dave, Dave…don’t try. God love ya, but sometimes rational discourse just doesn’t break through.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Well, one thing for you two professors to realize is that there is a difference between subjective opinion (“she’s a lousy speaker”) and established fact.

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM

.t.l. forgets to mention Palin’s defense of the 2nd Amendment, even in her resignation speech.
He’s too busy focusing on what he deems Palin’s poor delivery.
You, g.t.l. and others are the ones criticizing the delivery, rather than focusing on the content.
And Obama is the problem we need to focus on because he’s the Precedent, he’s made several moves to control guns and he promised as a candidate to pick up more guns.
I guess you find the fact that gun sales have gone up a bazillion percent since his election irrelevant while Palin is criticized for killing wolves.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Jen, just because I critique her speaking skills does not mean I am required to balance my critique with an appreciation of her views.

I’ve said time and time and time again that I admire her, supported her, gave money to her…what the heck else do you need?

As for the guns thing, believe me I know what’s happening in that arena. Rifles I bought 2 years ago are worth 3 times what I paid and I can’t find enough ammunition.

Check out the law that “ex” Black Panter Illinois Congressman Bobby Rush has introduced.

I know where these guys are headed, believe me.

Now let’s stop quibbling, you and I. About the only thing we disagree about is Palin’s public-speaking skills, OK?

Well, we probably disagree about abortion, too…but let’s put that one off-limits.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Also, it’s “President”.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Not to me.
He’s the Precedent.
He’ll never be “President” (especially if he can’t cough up a birth certificate, his medical records, his school records and the revelation of how many votes he got from ACORN.)

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM

You can find both Ingraham, Miller or anyone else by either listening on the web (TalkStreamLive) or paying a fee at their site and getting podcasts.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:54 PM

I’m an Ingraham subscriber, but I really can’t be bothered to listen most days.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant.

JohnGalt23 on July 28, 2009 at 7:57 PM

I think Romney and Huckabee and Gingrich have demonstrated repeatedly that they aren’t very skilled speakers. Prove me wrong.

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Look, this isn’t a logical argument I’m about to make–remember kids, you can’t prove by example–but you will never see an article like this written about any of those guys.

Look, you can concede that she is a bad speaker and still like her.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Dave, believe me, Seattle is a bastion of conservatism compared to where I live.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Dave, believe me, Seattle is a bastion of conservatism compared to where I live.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Gotta be either Berzerkely or San Fransicko.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Look, you can concede that she is a bad speaker and still like her.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM

I don’t think about whether her speeches are “bad” or not.
I do know that she doesn’t say inane things like “I chose to calibrate my words wrongly (sic)” or “The Cambridge police acted stupidly.”
And she never uses straw man arguments–the veritable bread and butter of Maobama’s speeches.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Gotta be either Berzerkely or San Fransicko.

Jenfidel on July 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Marin County. Fabulous weather. Beautiful scenery. Great recreation.

Looney politics.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Look, this isn’t a logical argument I’m about to make–remember kids, you can’t prove by example–but you will never see an article like this written about any of those guys.

Look, you can concede that she is a bad speaker and still like her.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Your “proof” is a Slate article? LOL

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Marin County is home to Barbara Boxer, by the way.

My best friend, also a staunch conservative, has the honor of being represented by Henry Waxman.

My political contributions go to Michele Bachmann, Pat Toomey, James Inhofe, Palin. It would be money wasted here.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Dave, believe me, Seattle is a bastion of conservatism compared to where I live.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Check it out… I’m Washington 7th. It’s pretty bad. :-)

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Your “proof” is a Slate article? LOL

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Did you even read the text that you quoted? Geez…

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 8:09 PM

DaveS-

Shoot, and I thought my husband and I were the only Repubs/libertarians in the Seattle area. (We’re east side though).

Since we’re talking talk shows…

I love Rush; I think he’s hysterical. The ditties they make to mock politicians are fun, and he’s observant. Some of the stories he talks about and things he cites… he obviously does his homework.

Laura is good sometimes, but I think she does mention abortion about every 10 minutes. I’m mostly a pro-lifer, but I do get tired of it. Also, her music sucks. She seems dated.

I like Tammy when she subs for Laura, and she’s sometimes got interesting stuff on her site.

Sean is okay – sometimes he has good guests – and I applaud him for things like his TV special on Obamacare, but he is SO repetitive. At least he stopped using the term ‘omnipotent ecstasy’, which was incorrect.

I like Mark Levin a lot; he’s whip smart and has zero tolerance for idiots. I agree with whoever said Miller is getting better, as I check in him with occasionally.

We do have a lot of talent on the radio, and they’re very different in style.

Regarding Palin & Obama… I am SICK of people on our side conceding that Obama is an eloquent speaker (Newt said this last week on Sean’s show, I believe). Obama SUCKS when it comes to speaking; his rhetoric is full of prevarications and nonsense. Good Lord. From the way people carry on about him, you’d think he was Lincoln and every time he spoke he uttered a Gettysberg address worthy oration.

As for Palin, if she is supposed to be the next big thing for the GOP, she needs to take speaking lessons. I think both Romney and Newt are better speakers than she is. We definitely need someone who can convey the message, expound on it and effectively disseminate our ideas and ideals. Palin is not too effective right now.

linlithgow on July 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM

Your “proof” is a Slate article? LOL

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Did you even read the text that you quoted? Geez…

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 8:09 PM

It’s called disparaging the source. Easily done, but mindless.

It’s why I never mention Fox News or talk radio when arguing with a Lefty. Instant mind-shutter.

Just because it’s Slate doesn’t always mean it’s BS.

I find good journalism at NPR, the New York Times, the New Yorker. And I don’t think we do ourselves any favors when we close ourselves off to other sources of news and opinion.

That, after all, is what the Left does.

We’re bigger than that.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM

linlithgow on July 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM

I know we just met and all.

But is it too early to tell you I’m in love?

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Good Lord. From the way people carry on about him, you’d think he was Lincoln and every time he spoke he uttered a Gettysberg address worthy oration.

In a way, the orgasmic accolades about Ogabe’s rhetoric is racist.

You know, the “articulate negro” thing.

And, as Joe Biden noted, he’s also “clean”.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 8:17 PM

The longer Palin waits to go on those Sunday morning talk shows, the harder it will be for her to get used to them if she really does want a future in politics.

Speedwagon82 on July 28, 2009 at 8:21 PM

linlithgow on July 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM

I agree with almost every word you said. :-)

I was actually thinking of getting involved with libertarian groups here locally.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Your “proof” is a Slate article? LOL

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Did you even read the text that you quoted? Geez…

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 8:09 PM
It’s called disparaging the source. Easily done, but mindless.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM

No, it’s called “weak reinforcement”. I read a Vanity Fair article recently that shows that Palin, unlike Romney and Huckabee and Gingrich, is a neurotic narcisrist. The author of the article DaveS refernced merely took sentences in Palin’s interviews to diagram for good ridicule effect. As if any other politician (or any other mere mortal, for that matter) wouldn’t be vulnerable to the same ridicule. There’s a reason Palin is singled out for that sort of ridicule.

As for Palin, if she is supposed to be the next big thing for the GOP, she needs to take speaking lessons. I think both Romney and Newt are better speakers than she is. We definitely need someone who can convey the message, expound on it and effectively disseminate our ideas and ideals. Palin is not too effective right now.

linlithgow on July 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM

No, what you need is someone who can never, ever be made fun of by the media. Good luck with that.

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 9:22 PM

* narcissist

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 9:23 PM

As poetry, I like it much more than the Obama inauguration poem.

Anton on July 28, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Another thing… she needs to break herself of the habit of using the same keywords and phrases in every speech

Oh, yeah, like, she’s the only one who does that.

Pelayo on July 28, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Whatever the slugs that inhabit MSNBC, CNN, NPR, CBS, NBC, NYT, ABC et al say about Palin, believe the opposite.

Pelayo on July 28, 2009 at 9:47 PM

It’s an Alaska thing, I just don’t understand…

paulsur on July 28, 2009 at 9:55 PM

I find good journalism at NPR, the New York Times, the New Yorker. And I don’t think we do ourselves any favors when we close ourselves off to other sources of news and opinion.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Especially when they reinforce a prejudice. But opinion is still opinion.

My opinion is that we get fired up now about Romney or Huckabee or Gingrich. Yeah, baby.

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Just when I think I may be out of touch I read something like this

Also, it’s “President”.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Or better still something like this

I find good journalism at NPR, the New York Times, the New Yorker. And I don’t think we do ourselves any favors when we close ourselves off to other sources of news and opinion.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Maybe HotAir should be renamed fair and balanced.
btw AP, I really liked the idea of being able to skip over the drool and trivial.

Blacksmith8 on July 28, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Maybe HotAir should be renamed fair and balanced.
btw AP, I really liked the idea of being able to skip over the drool and trivial.

Blacksmith8 on July 28, 2009 at 10:24 PM

You know, Glenn Reynolds modeled his podcasts after NPR.

You shouldn’t tune out things just because you don’t agree with every single thing they say. In fact, if you don’t hear something you disagree with in some “source”, you should not continue to consume it.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM

No, it’s called “weak reinforcement” … The author of the article DaveS refernced merely took sentences in Palin’s interviews to diagram for good ridicule effect.

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 9:22 PM

No, the part of the very short snippet you quoted but apparently didn’t read was the 80% of it where I said:

…this isn’t a logical argument I’m about to make–remember kids, you can’t prove by example…

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 10:33 PM

No, the part of the very short snippet you quoted but apparently didn’t read was the 80% of it where I said:

…this isn’t a logical argument I’m about to make–remember kids, you can’t prove by example…
DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Yet you frame your argument as if it was carved in stone from Mt Sinai. Disagreement is only for the kiddies.

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 11:10 PM

You know, Glenn Reynolds modeled his podcasts after NPR.

You shouldn’t tune out things just because you don’t agree with every single thing they say. In fact, if you don’t hear something you disagree with in some “source”, you should not continue to consume it.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM

But you also consider the prejudices of the source. I’m not going to go to Mother Jones or The Nation and expect to find a fair portrayal of some conservative politician I happen not to like very much, and then use that portrayal to bolster my argument against that politician.

ddrintn on July 28, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Running too many damn scripts for me to be able to watch the video *frowns*

Reaps on July 28, 2009 at 11:55 PM

That was actually pretty funny. Although, IMHO, next time Shatner should do Obama speaking free markets. That would be a riot.

bitsy on July 29, 2009 at 12:24 AM

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Slate is not a credible source – sort of like using Wikipedia.

They have an agenda.

They don’t go after Mitt, and they do go after Sarah, precisely because they view her connection with people as a threat.

Speaking style, like all things related to the “appearance of things” is subjective – beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Substance is what counts;

Who else is discussing:
1. American Exceptionalism
2. Energy independance
3. Media bias

massrighty on July 29, 2009 at 12:27 AM

The longer Palin waits to go on those Sunday morning talk shows, the harder it will be for her to get used to them if she really does want a future in politics.

Speedwagon82 on July 28, 2009 at 8:21 PM

More faux-helpful advice, to reinforce the tired “Palin is not ready…” meme.

How about she writes a book, and appears at campaign stops for candidates, and fills auditoria with people, and generally gets the conservative message out there.

The Sunday shows? They won’t put her on unless they “balance” her with at least two liberals, or do a post-interview review (also by a liberal.)

massrighty on July 29, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Look, this isn’t a logical argument I’m about to make–remember kids, you can’t prove by example–but you will never see an article like this written about any of those guys.

Look, you can concede that she is a bad speaker and still like her.

DaveS on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM

So, instead of purely subjective opinion – do you actually have a logical argument?

massrighty on July 29, 2009 at 12:43 AM

So, instead of purely subjective opinion – do you actually have a logical argument?

massrighty on July 29, 2009 at 12:43 AM

The “horribleness” of someone’s speaking ability is inherently subjective. There is empirical support (in the form of poll after poll after poll) for the idea that she very seriously needs to improve on these things.

(BTW, I find it odd that so many people here, after making egregiously illogical arguments, suddenly find their inner logician when I make a point with the explicit disclaimer that it isn’t a logical argument.)

DaveS on July 29, 2009 at 3:07 AM

Can anyone be willing to do a “flying dropkick” of common sense to Shat and to the rest of the Hollytwat elitists?

Oh wait, I almost forgot…their near irrelevancy.

Chuck In Hawaii on July 29, 2009 at 3:37 AM

Hasn’t anyone figured out the formula. The people attacking Palin’s intellect are the media talking heads. Their only marketable skill is to pretend to be an expert on something.
They gain nothing supporting her skills, they make their money, copying each other on different networks saying the same stupid things degrading her abilities.
One starts a view, and they all follow in lock step. Remember the word “gravitas?” You NEVER, EVER heard that word on TV before it was first used and then suddenly, for a month or two everyone was using it. See they’re all copy cats with no original thinking.

Jeff from WI on July 29, 2009 at 7:27 AM

I liked Palin’s speech

I usually change channels when most politicans speak. Palin does not irritate me at all.

I could not enjoy either Clinton give a speech (too staged) but can listen to Bill Clinton speaking freely.

Bush was boring, although his stand at the WTC after 911 was spontaneous, and memorable and I will never forget the moment

I also enjoy listening to Romney who comes up with interesting angles. He is not a copycat. Romney and Palin are non irritating.

I also enjoy listening to Shatner converse. He is a good talker, not a mumbler. His rendition of Palin was awesome. It displays his enormous skill and voice and phrasing control

Shatner has gotten a wierd rap just like Palin for his style. He is supposed to be a ham, but I think he is very talented. He is the reason Star Trek became a legend, and his rendition of Palin’s words proved his skills. Beautiful really.

To this day I think Shatner’s Dr. Janet Lester character on Star Trek was amazing. Was it corny? I know it was unforgettable. He played that character in a way to make it a classic.

entagor on July 29, 2009 at 9:21 AM

More evidence of what man will do when he doesn’t die before the age of 50, of disease or the fight for food.

J.E. Dyer on July 29, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Did you know William Shatner’s face is the mask Michael Mayers wears in the horror film Halloween? True fact. It was a “death mask” from a Star Trek episode.

alliebobbitt on July 29, 2009 at 10:52 AM