Surprise: Lenders not keen on mortgage modification for people who can’t pay

posted at 1:36 pm on July 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I blame King Banaian.  I really do.  After all, if our nation’s universities did a better job of educating people on basic economics, the fact that banks don’t want to waste money and time modifying mortgages for people who are bad risks wouldn’t make news at all, let alone front-page news at the Washington Post.

I don’t even want to blame Renae Merle or the Post’s editors for running a “Surprise: Water Often is Wet” story.  After all, no one at the White House apparently knew about this, either:

Policymakers often say it’s a good deal for lenders to cut borrowers a break on mortgage payments to keep them in their homes. But, according to researchers and industry experts, foreclosing can be more profitable.

The problem is that modifying mortgages is profitable to banks for only one set of distressed borrowers, while lenders are actually dealing with three very different types. Modification makes economic sense for a bank or other lender only if the borrower can’t sustain payments without it yet will be able to keep up with new, more modest terms.

A second set are those who are likely to fall behind on their payments again even after receiving a modified loan and are likely to lose their homes one way or another. Lenders don’t want to help these borrowers because waiting to foreclose can be costly.

Finally, there are those delinquent borrowers who can somehow, even at great sacrifice, catch up without a modification. Lenders have little financial incentive to help them.

The real issue in the financial crisis is the second set.  These are people who bought homes they never could have afforded in any circumstances, but gambled on the continuation of the housing bubble to get them enough equity to refinance under better terms.  That worked for several years as the government distorted the lending market with pressure to increase subprime lending, which boosted demand and decoupled housing prices from inflation.

Some people gambled near the end of the bubble and couldn’t refinance fast enough to avoid the collapse.  That’s not the fault of the lenders.  After all, speculation carries risk, sometimes a great deal of it, which is why people shouldn’t engage in it unless they can afford the loss.  Indemnifiying people against the risk means that more people will learn that there is no risk in speculation, which will produce much more irrational behavior in the long run.

Of course, in order to understand that much, one has to understand why lenders aren’t brimming with enthusiasm for delaying inevitable foreclosures for people who have no hope at all in keeping their homes, and why it doesn’t take a government program to motivate lenders to restructure loans with borrowers who can.

And no, I don’t really blame King for that.  I blame everyone who didn’t send their children to teachers like King who inculcate some common sense rather than Utopian schemes.

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So is there any evidence that Obama has even a basic grasp of economics? Still, that answer is no.

lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Damn….foiled again by those evil profiteers (who he is in bed with)

genso on July 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

That program is about like his consumer protection program…completely phony.

About to be like his healthcare reform…which is turning out to be medicare reform.

This won’t work. He’ll lose support.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 1:40 PM

About to be like his healthcare reform…which is turning out to be medicare reform.

This won’t work. He’ll lose support.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 1:40 PM

But you run around all the healthcare threads supporting it. Which totally makes sense.

lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 1:41 PM

You must admire the Barry logic. Tax the “rich” to pay for your programs while decreasing their income. What could possibly be wrong with that?

Limerick on July 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM

But you run around all the healthcare threads supporting it. Which totally makes sense.

lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Heh. I just posted her latest back on the healthcare thread for all to see and judge. Sweet.

genso on July 28, 2009 at 1:44 PM

“Community organizers” can’t bother with trivialities like contracts and economics.

There’s a Utopia to create.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

bet they’d modify Chris Dodd’s mortgage if he asked ‘em to

gatorboy on July 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

So is there any evidence that Obama has even a basic grasp of economics? Still, that answer is no.

lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Communism is easy. What’s yours is his. What’s his is his.

SouthernGent on July 28, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Obama to self: Modify the mind control powers. Use the Farce.

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Communism is easy. What’s yours is his. What’s his is his.

SouthernGent on July 28, 2009 at 1:46 PM

What’s yours is the State’s. What’s his is the State’s.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Communism is easy. What’s yours is his. What’s his is his.

SouthernGent on July 28, 2009 at 1:46 PM

The Day Barry wants to live in the same commune as me will I believe he is a communist… At “best” he’s a Soviet-ist.

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM

So is there any evidence that Obama has even a basic grasp of economics? Still, that answer is no.

lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Grasp ? He got it firmly by the throat withering..

the_nile on July 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Simple mathematics and common sense are sooooooooo yesterday.

elderberry on July 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Time for a 50 year mortgage?
It would keep those that are serious about bills in their homes until things start looking up…

Gunslinger on July 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Obama to self: Modify the mind control powers. Use the Farce.

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

May the Schwartz be with you.

genso on July 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

I think whole thing is a systemic problem on the left.

Rush had a clip the other day with Barney Fwank bitching about the businesses coming up to him complaining about changes he’s making that will destroy their profits. His response was “Your profits are not a priority. If you make profits, will be as a side-effect of providing services to people.”

teke184 on July 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM

The Day Barry wants to live in the same commune as me will I believe he is a communist… At “best” he’s a Soviet-ist.

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Communism has always had elitism. While the worker’s in the “worker’s paradise” froze in their state-owned, one-room apartments, the elite in the Soviet Union had their Black Sea dachas.

And, while they went hungry in queues for luxuries like bread, the elite ate at parties.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM

This post needs to be screamed from the rooftops. I’m tired of hearing ‘experts’ on the radio (mostly NPR) who state that economists erroneously believed that ‘markets are always right’ and that the fact that ‘the markets got this one wrong’ means we need a fundamental rethinking of how the markets work and of the basics of capitalism. NO – the markets were being ‘artificially’ pumped by government entities and laws (Fannie/Freddie) that encouraged the securitization of mortgages with the simultaneously loosening of lending standards. And of course you have the borrowers who get into a loan they cannot dream of paying off (I don’t care how many anecdotal stories you cite of some poor old lady who was convinced she could afford that $500,000+ home – these people should have known better). The whole thing worked pretty much how Barney Frank and other Congresscritters wanted it to and now that their intrusion into the market has been disastrous they now want to blame market itself as flawed.

gwelf on July 28, 2009 at 1:53 PM

love the pic….it fits perfectly!

cmsinaz on July 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Ed:

Financial literacy should be a requirement in high schools. You name the duration, maybe two years worth of it. Instruction in budgeting; checking accounts; credit cards; elementary investing (stocks, bonds, mutual funds); home ownership; insurance (health; life; auto; renters; home); retirement planning (IRAs, 401(k), other defined contribution plans, defined benefit plans); other common investment vehicles (variable annuities); common scams.

High school kids take enough fluff in their course loads that there’s no reason not to require such instruction. To some, it may seem pedestrian and materialist. But we should be ashamed of ourselves that people are so financially clueless. It’s pathetic. Industrialized society? Yeah, if it means the ability to master XBox and a DVD player.

BuckeyeSam on July 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Time for a 50 year mortgage?
It would keep those that are serious about bills in their homes until things start looking up…

Gunslinger on July 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Of course then the loan would probably be termed a ‘predatory loan’ by the laws the Democrats want to pass – seeing as your entire payment for the first 20 years would probably be all interest.

gwelf on July 28, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Communism has always had elitism. While the worker’s in the “worker’s paradise” froze in their state-owned, one-room apartments, the elite in the Soviet Union had their Black Sea dachas.

And, while they went hungry in queues for luxuries like bread, the elite ate at parties.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Well… perhaps the gov’t systems that claimed to be communist.

In my opinion, the Russians/Chinese claiming to be communist (while propping up a powerful ruling class) is the same as Obama claiming to be liberal.

…but then again, the left is always good at re-defining words.

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM

love the pic….it fits perfectly!

cmsinaz on July 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

I like the one where he is saluting the TOTUS. He was saluting….right? Cause it’s hard to tell with him and salutes.

genso on July 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

BuckeyeSam on July 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Post-script:

I omitted simple instruction in the various forms of federal, state, and local taxation.

BuckeyeSam on July 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

genso on July 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

LOL

excellent

cmsinaz on July 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Why would they need to modify loans? I thought the recession was over.

Doughboy on July 28, 2009 at 1:58 PM

So is there any evidence that Obama has even a basic grasp of economics? Still, that answer is no.
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Communism is easy. What’s yours is his. What’s his is his.
SouthernGent on July 28, 2009 at 1:46 PM

It’s hard to run a business; but any two-bit hoodlum knows how to run a collection racket.

Obama knows everything that he needs to know.

logis on July 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM

So basically someone who cant afford $1000 per month mortgage cant afford the adjusted $900 payment either?
No kidding.

redshirt on July 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM

My understanding of true communism is – the elimination of the State itself.

Of course, that is impossible if there is to be a country or nation.

The only thing that I know, for sure, is that communism, when practiced by mankind, is elitist, fraudulent, against the yearnings of any normal individual and results in the mass destruction of millions.

That much, I know.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM

BuckeyeSam on July 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

also add, counting back correct change to customers

cmsinaz on July 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Considering Obama’s only experience with checks involve ones coming from Federal grants or the government, why would he think otherwise? Doesn’t the Fed pay for EVERYTHING? Getting closer to it by the day…

bradley11 on July 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM

It’s always been the same problem. You can’t buy a 3000 sq ft house on a 1100 sq ft budget. We’ve been saying that for years. Let them default and quit extending this recession/depression like FDR did.

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Hold on now, Jonknee said that Ogabe received “high honors” from Harvard in something, not sure what but something. Obviously he knows what he is doing in regards to the economy.

Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Policymakers often say it’s a good deal for lenders to cut borrowers a break on mortgage payments to keep them in their homes.

That’s because Americans election representatives based on the color of their skin and how they appear on TV, rather than on competence.

We have a collection of complete idiots in Congress and in the White House, because of this, especially on the Democrat side of the aisle.

NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM

The only thing that I know, for sure, is that communism any form of Big Governmentism, when practiced by flawed mankind, is elitist, fraudulent, against the yearnings of any normal individual and results in the mass destruction of millions.

That much, I know.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM

FIFY

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Mankind is inherently flawed.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM

love the pic….it fits perfectly!

cmsinaz on July 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

My labbie gives me the same look when I discuss economics & foreign policy with her.

bloviator on July 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM

My labbie gives me the same look when I discuss economics & foreign policy with her.

bloviator on July 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I have a sheltie/border collie mix, and she’s smarter than 95% of the people I meet, every day.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Mankind is inherently flawed.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Not if you talk to a lefty ;) … the governing class is anything but flawed (and if so, who cares?)

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM

My labbie gives me the same look when I discuss economics & foreign policy with her.

bloviator on July 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM

LOL

so does mine :-)

cmsinaz on July 28, 2009 at 2:07 PM

My labbie gives me the same look when I discuss economics & foreign policy with her.

bloviator on July 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM

EVERYONE loves a Lab!

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:09 PM

What’s fascinating but discouraging? The GOP is not offering anything to people, either.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Obama grasps economics in 5 .. 4 .. 3 .. Actually NEVER!!!!!!!

johnsteele on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

The real issue in the financial crisis is the second set. These are people who bought homes they never could have afforded in any circumstances, but gambled on the continuation of the housing bubble to get them enough equity to refinance under better terms.

As with everything idiot liberals touch, they simply don’t understand the mechanics. This is easy: separate all delinquent borrowers into two groups:

- Borrowers whose mortgage payment has not changed, but are past due anyway (due to loss of income, etc.)

- Borrowers whose mortgage had an adjustable rate which adjusted, causing a jump in the payment, and subsequent delinquency.

Not hard to see that you can help group 2 by modifying the rate back to the original note, and dropping the payment back down to where the borrower could afford it.

Not hard to see that you can’t help group 1 – they just can’t afford the house, so why delay the inevitable?

Jaibones on July 28, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Give Obama a break…
At least he is not throwing people out like the patient dumping his wife is doing.

SmallGovtGuy on July 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM

What’s fascinating but discouraging? The GOP is not offering anything to people, either.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Here’s an offer,pay your mortgage or get out

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM

“Got no job? WE DON’T CARE!
Got no prospects? WE DON’T CARE!
Got no trust fund? WE DON’T CARE!
Don’t plan to pay us? THAT’S when we care!”

mojo on July 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Help me Barack! The bank wants to re-possess my pony!

I knew I couldn’t afford a pony, but pony prices were skyrocketing. And Chris Dodd got his Special Friend to give me a pony loan with no interest for the first 3 years.

No, I didn’t really read the documents…after all, Congress doesn’t read all that boring fine print, either, and yet things turn out just fine.

Please, Barack – don’t let them take my pony.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM

The GOP is not offering anything to people, either.

Why would the GOP “offer anything” to “people”? You think like an idiot/liberal.

Jaibones on July 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Got no job? Not Our Problem
Got no prospects? Not Our Problem
Got no trust fund? Not Our Problem
Don’t plan to pay us? Move Out Now

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Here’s an offer,pay your mortgage or get out

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I get a tingle when you talk like that, Jeff.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Why would the GOP “offer anything” to “people”? You think like an idiot/liberal.

Jaibones on July 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM

That’s the difference between us and them. They need to be led. And they need the State to lead them.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Why should I pay HIGHER taxes, just so you can keep your house, that was more expensive than you could handle, and is better than my house now!

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM

I get a tingle when you talk like that, Jeff.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Chris?? Chris Matthews??…LOL

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM

What’s fascinating but discouraging? The GOP is not offering anything to people, either.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Everything you’ll ever need to know about Ann, summed up perfectly.

lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Dude, that’s a scam. I paid for that pony in cash.

genso on July 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM

anninca: republicans dont have to “offer” anything. doing less would actually be a help. taking 10 mos. off instead of a mere month’s recess would be a boon for the world at large.

if republicans could repeal about 100 laws, that would be a small start.

kelley in virginia on July 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Everything you’ll ever need to know about Ann, summed up perfectly.

lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Text book case showing the liberal thought process

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Why should I pay HIGHER taxes, just so you can keep your house, that was more expensive than you could handle, and is better than my house now!

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM

And that is Socialism in a nutshell – nonsense.

The seeds of Socialism are illiteracy and ignorance. Only the illiterate and the ignorant don’t see it for what it is. And that is why the Socialists targeted our public schools and universities. Meat for the grinder.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Not hard to see that you can’t help group 1 – they just can’t afford the house, so why delay the inevitable?

Jaibones on July 28, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?

BobMbx on July 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Obama Layaway.

Pay what you can when you can. Nothing.

portlandon on July 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Three years ago, my wife’s financial advisor was telling us we should buy a house (we were renting until we decided if we wanted to stay in the city).

I told him absolutely not…that bubble prices were unsustainable.

I also told him I would buy a house when prices collapsed and I could personally throw some stupid mope and his furniture and his children out on the curb.

Then I fired him.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:19 PM

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

And you actually think it’s the federal government’s role to help people with their mortgage?

Is there anything they shouldn’t do?

A better question is, is there anything the feds do efficiently?

The military is the only thing the feds do that’s effective, in providing a public good.

NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 2:19 PM

And that is Socialism in a nutshell – nonsense.

The seeds of Socialism are illiteracy and ignorance. Only the illiterate and the ignorant don’t see it for what it is. And that is why the Socialists targeted our public schools and universities. Meat for the grinder.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Amen!

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:19 PM

And that is why the Socialists targeted our public schools and universities. Meat for the grinder.

Yeah. Where is Honduras, anyway?

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

What’s fascinating but discouraging? The GOP is not offering anything to people, either. People think the Government owes them something.
AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

FIFY.

BobMbx on July 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

hree years ago, my wife’s financial advisor was telling us we should buy a house (we were renting until we decided if we wanted to stay in the city).

I told him absolutely not…that bubble prices were unsustainable.

I also told him I would buy a house when prices collapsed and I could personally throw some stupid mope and his furniture and his children out on the curb.

Then I fired him.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:19 PM

I told my daughter to wait. Daughter number two just bought a foreclosed house.
Needs work but the price she bought it at was 40% below it’s accessed value. Smart move

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

What’s fascinating but discouraging? The GOP is not offering anything to people, either. People think the Government owes them something.
AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

FIFY.

BobMbx on July 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Over half this country thinks that. That’s the REAL sad part.

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Daughter number two just bought a foreclosed house.
Needs work but the price she bought it at was 40% below it’s accessed value. Smart move

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Well, that’s sweet, but did she get the ineffable pleasure of kicking his wailing children and their stuffed animals to the curb? And shouting, “Shut up! It’s not my fault your daddy is as dumb as brick!”?

That’s the real money part.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM

So is there any evidence that Obama has even a basic grasp of economics? Still, that answer is no.

lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Most Marxists won’t admit to such a “theory” of market driven Capitalism. Obama is about as a far-left Marxist as you can be. Thus many people are
“confused” when Obama does not adhere to tried & true economic principles.
He won’t and never will. It’s all about the O. People & companies be damned.
The sooner Obama supporters realize the only job they will see during an Obama administration is an $8 per hour ACORN job then the sooner we might see the hope & change die. Employers are not hiring and won’t until the Obamanation is dead. If the Obamanation lives then capitalism will die and so will jobs, prosperity and the American dream.

izoneguy on July 28, 2009 at 2:26 PM

So is there any evidence that Obama has even a basic grasp of economics?

Of course he does. Remember his brilliant comment about “profits-to-earnings ratios”?

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Well, that’s sweet, but did she get the ineffable pleasure of kicking his wailing children and their stuffed animals to the curb? And shouting, “Shut up! It’s not my fault your daddy is as dumb as brick!”?

That’s the real money part.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM

FrumInDaHouse is about to sign on and scold you about not embracing Compassionate Conservatism.

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Well, that’s sweet, but did she get the ineffable pleasure of kicking his wailing children and their stuffed animals to the curb? And shouting, “Shut up! It’s not my fault your daddy is as dumb as brick!”?

That’s the real money part.

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM

LOL…especially as they drive away in the new van they can’t afford with the Obama 08 stickers all over it

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM

What’s fascinating but discouraging? The GOP is not offering anything to people, either. People think the Government owes them something.
AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

When Obama was Senator, he pretty much voted against ANY republican ideas that regarded healthcare. Many of those ideas were brought forth from DeMint & Kyl.

Senate Liberal Scores

Obama at the top – DeMint at the bottom

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm#results

izoneguy on July 28, 2009 at 2:33 PM

sick Barney Frank on these awful Banks….he can cap their profit quicker than you can say “I’m a Gigalo”

SDarchitect on July 28, 2009 at 2:37 PM

What I see? People are returning to the position they had before the elections.

They do not like DC insiders.

It’s just corrupt.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Nice try.

mankai on July 28, 2009 at 2:39 PM

What’s fascinating but discouraging? The GOP is not offering anything to people, either.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

As long as I’ve got the box out for my labbie, would you like a Milk-Bone® too?

bloviator on July 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

LOL…especially as they drive away in the new van they can’t afford with the Obama 08 stickers all over it

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Nu-uh… didn’t you hear about Cash for Clunkerheads?

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Everything you’ll ever need to know about Ann, summed up perfectly.
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Text book case showing the liberal thought process
Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM

And a textbook example of why moderates always fail. If you agree with the fundamental premise of liberalism – that it’s the government’s job to “give” stuff to people – but then you promise to give just a little bit LESS free money away, then you’re just being a jack ass.

The only thing we have to offer is love (i.e., personal responsibility.) And we have a lot to give.

logis on July 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Nu-uh… didn’t you hear about Cash for Clunkerheads?

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

LOL…that’s for old clunkers, but these people bought a new $30K van because it was “convenient”.

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Nu-uh… didn’t you hear about Cash for Clunkerheads?

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

How’s that working out, by the way?

New cars flying out of the showrooms?

Thought not.

Even Peggy the Moocher…or AnninCA…could do the math on that one.

As for me, I’m holding out for one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

The only thing we have to offer is love (i.e., personal responsibility.) And we have a lot to give.

logis on July 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

well said

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:48 PM

They do not like DC insiders.

It’s just corrupt.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Yet, you want DC insiders to run your healthcare. Makes total sense.

lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 2:48 PM

LOL…that’s for old clunkers, but these people bought a new $30K van because it was “convenient”.

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

B-b-but minivans are for people with more than .75 of a child…

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM

How’s that working out, by the way?

New cars flying out of the showrooms?

Thought not.

Even Peggy the Moocher…or AnninCA…could do the math on that one.

As for me, I’m holding out for one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY

guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

I’m sure Obama will start paying for commercials showing a Crack Whore buying a new car and crying while thanking The Pimp in Chief.

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:53 PM

do not like DC insiders

Perhaps because everything they touch is crap?

The one thing that does work well, the US military, Democrats in Washington tried to destory in Iraq, for cynical and crass political gain.

NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Health care is a “right” and so is a fly Mercedes. And a gold grill to match.

NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM

B-b-but minivans are for people with more than .75 of a child…

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM

LOL… 3/4 of a kid..LOL

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Let them fail…

Wyznowski on July 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I’m sure Obama will start paying for commercials showing a Crack Whore buying a new car and crying while thanking The Pimp in Chief.

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 2:53 PM

LOL..Government Motors, the Choice of Crack Whores

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM

LOL..Government Motors, the Choice of Crack Whores

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM

When Barry and Michelle are done… we’ll all be socialists Crack Whores.

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Upstater85 on July 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM

LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1gXG1PY5bM&feature=related

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Surprise: Lenders not keen on mortgage modification for people who can’t pay

And in other news…Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

Fighton03 on July 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Health care is a “right” and so is a fly Mercedes. And a gold grill to match.

NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM

oh supreme being who may or may not be present won’t you buy me that Mercedes Benz…

(sry….it had to be done)

Fighton03 on July 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM

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