Rasmussen: Majorities believe ObamaCare will raise costs, lower quality of treatment
posted at 4:03 pm on July 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
Alternate headline: “Majorities now believe exact opposite of what Obama’s been telling them.” Good work, champ.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 47% are in favor of the reform effort proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats while 49% are opposed. Those figures include 25% who Strongly Favor the plans and 41% who are Strongly Opposed…
Currently, 76% of Democrats favor the proposal and 76% of Republicans are opposed. Among the unaffiliated, 35% are in favor and 60% are opposed. Notably, just 16% of unaffiliateds Strongly Favor the legislative effort while 47% Strongly Oppose it…
At this time, voters are skeptical about the ability of the reform effort to help control the cost of health care. Just 23% believe passage of the reform legislation will lead to lower health care costs. Most voters (53%) say it will lead to higher costs, while 18% expect prices to remain about the same…
By 50% to 23% margin, voters expect that passage of the congressional health care reform bill will cause the quality of care to go down.
They can’t crack 23 percent on the questions of whether Obama will lower costs or improve care — and yet 76 percent of Democrats still support the proposal? Now that’s partisanship we can believe in. Meanwhile, unsurprisingly, The One’s approval ratings dip ever further towards negative territory even in Gallup: He’s down to 54 percent there and bound to sink below 50 if the Senate pisses off the left by kinda sorta killing the public plan. Prescient exit quotation from Rich Lowry, writing this morning before the credibility-busting Rasmussen numbers were released: “Obama’s plan is becoming one of the most implausible and thoroughly discredited free lunches in American history.”
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What a strange statistical coincidence: that’s almost exactly the same percentage of Democrats who don’t pay any Federal income taxes.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:05 PM
But…but…but…the recession is over.
Just wait til this brainiac forces through some form of Obamacare and jacks up everyone’s taxes. This is gonna get ugly.
Doughboy on July 28, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Read my lips:
ObamaCare is DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!
Blue dog democrats care more about reelection than some Chicago thug’s idea of Marxism.
THANK YOU to the faux conservative democrats who are standing up to the Kenyan pretender!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exit question: is the “health care for illegals” plank of the bill in there so that Barack himself can get care?????
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 4:06 PM
The people are the only thing that can stop this. Or try to stop it. Congress needs to be afraid for their jobs if this becomes law.
Cindy Munford on July 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM
How Dare They! Obey The One Or Else!
“Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face”
Dead Kennedys
Realist on July 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM
what the #$%@ are the other 24% smoking?
-olympia snowe
-susan collins
-delaware’s mike castle
-lindsay “tears” graham….
-david brooks
-ross douthathatha (or insert NYT house conservative here)
that’s 6 out of like 50 million.
where are these other 24%?
did they just call republicans in connecticut and long island????
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Healther.
Ronnie on July 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM
The RINO’s in the senate haven’t been heard from yet – don’t be so confident
gatorboy on July 28, 2009 at 4:10 PM
But the CBO just came out with new numbers that show that an un-Constitutional federal government foray into health insurance will now save money!!
The sun is shining, again, and all it took was one criminal meeting between The Precedent and the head of the CBO.
That’s why Elmendorf should have been fired the minute he compromised his position with his idiotic trek to the White House. This junta in Washington is pathetic and criminal.
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 4:10 PM
I’ve been waiting to see these words for months and months. This makes my day.
sherry on July 28, 2009 at 4:10 PM
My guess is they’re mainly retirees. Sad to say, the ‘greatest generation” has its share of whores.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM
I agree. And Obama has no scruples. He’ll bully, blackmail, bribe, or do whatever else is necessary to get the votes.
Daggett on July 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Common sense can still be beaten. KEEP UP the pressure!
jukin on July 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Still going to happen.
Skywise on July 28, 2009 at 4:12 PM
My guess is they’re mainly retirees. Sad to say, the ‘greatest generation” has its share of whores.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM
The retirees are the people who have the most to lose…
ladyingray on July 28, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Nah, that’s just Reuters putting an Ogabe spin on the same report that slammed Ogabe care the other day.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Everybody loses. But they won’t pay for this thing, we will.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:13 PM
That was just epic spin by Reuters. Meant for the Ann’s of the world.
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 4:15 PM
I thought Obama was a liar before it was cool to think that Obama is a liar.
NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Imagine…
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Obama Health Dictatorship
Those who vote for it want in on our kill. They will dismiss our voices just as they did on Stimulus. Only this time, its literally our flesh, blood and bone they want.
Obama’s abuse of powers has gone monolithic.
Those who support Obama do so in direct contradiction to constituent well being. Those who vote with Obama expect to do away with opposition, one way or another with coercion.
maverick muse on July 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Duh!
kirkill on July 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM
My fault. I just heard it on Cavuto. Nevermind.
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Soylent Green, its what’s for dinner!
Laura in Maryland on July 28, 2009 at 4:19 PM
These numbers sound good, but what about Harry Reid now promising to deliver a bill by the end of next week?
VibrioCocci on July 28, 2009 at 4:19 PM
The WWII greatest generation barely exist; most are dead, RIP.
maverick muse on July 28, 2009 at 4:20 PM
If the Obama administration came up with a crap sandwich, Reuters and AP would tell us how full of fiber it was and how eating them is good for the environment.
Lesson: No matter how lousy a product is, you can always find something that sounds good about it and there will still be people stupid enough to buy it.
NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Sad that cavuto didn’t notice the spin.
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 4:21 PM
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM
If you don’t die sooner, even YOU will age and require senior health considerations.
maverick muse on July 28, 2009 at 4:21 PM
I never thought the coffins would run out before the nails.
Chuck Schick on July 28, 2009 at 4:21 PM
So Dilbert wrote the healthcare bill.
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Are everyone’s threads all on the left column of the site or is it just me?
Cindy Munford on July 28, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Soylent Green, its what’s for dinner!
Laura in Maryland on July 28, 2009 at 4:19 PM
“He’s gonna change it, and rearrange it” a la Gumbobama.
maverick muse on July 28, 2009 at 4:22 PM
++
ladyingray on July 28, 2009 at 4:23 PM
FIFY
kirkill on July 28, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Read My Lips: CUT YOUR TAXES
maverick muse on July 28, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Yeah. And I pay for my own private plan, save into an HSA and invest wisely so because I don’t think you and your children should have to pay for my care.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:24 PM
I’m no statistician, but that tells me that a significant number of people are in favor of a system that increases cost and lowers quality. Either that, or a significant number of people are stupid blind lemmings.
Vashta.Nerada on July 28, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Sad but true – and that statement probably dates back to this one:
“There’s a sucker born every minute.” -David Hannum
VibrioCocci on July 28, 2009 at 4:25 PM
coercion meet Mr. Springfield he has some skin in this game.
chemman on July 28, 2009 at 4:25 PM
It’s just you. Looks like you lean to the left, Cindy.
/s
;-)
VibrioCocci on July 28, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Cindy Munford on July 28, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Mine are.
ladyingray on July 28, 2009 at 4:26 PM
can’t wait to talk to the Government Employee in India and beg her to let me see a doctor….sometime this millenium….
SDarchitect on July 28, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Not Dilbert, but the pointy-headed boss who is for some reason, our president currently.
Cartoon Character in Chief.
Just dandy.
NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Obama:
“I don’t know what I’m doing”
BobMbx on July 28, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Coming to a Super Market near you. Cheaper than hamburger!
Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Retires have paid all their working life, you are not the lone ranger.
Wade on July 28, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Oh, yeah. And Social Security is a self-funded retirement insurance plan.
Right.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:29 PM
If you have job and draw a paycheck you are paying now. Check the payroll deductions once in a while.
Wade on July 28, 2009 at 4:30 PM
The RINO’s in the senate haven’t been heard from yet – don’t be so confident
This should make everyone exceptionally nervous.
flyawaybird on July 28, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Obarfing is coming to my area tomorrow for another one of his “town hall” meetings on healthcare…
…wonder why the only people who get to attend are employees of the Kroger’s store where the event is being held???
ladyingray on July 28, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Uh…I own a small business. My wife is an edodontist. Between us, we employ 23 people. I have a pretty good grasp of payroll deductions, thank you.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM
I thought Obama was a liar before it was cool to think that Obama is a liar.
NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 4:15 PM
That would make a great bumper sticker. Nice one! :)
jwolf on July 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM
NEVER!!!!
Well at least I am in excellent company.
Cindy Munford on July 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM
I’m guessing they are starting to get the message that what with all the “elder counseling” they won’t be around long enough to worry about who pays the bill.
Lily on July 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Conveniently now, the CBO has a favorable report, for this crap govt. insurance. How cozy they have gotten, after just one meeting, eh?
Democrats are probably thrilled. It’s not their money that has to pay for this swill. I also wonder now…how many will be exempt from having to be forced into it, and pay for it.
capejasmine on July 28, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Huffington Post is really joining in the pile up on the Blue Dogs. Any pic of any despised Republican and they’re tying the Blue Dogs to them. They haven’t posted a pic of Iron Lady Maggie Thatcher yet but it’s not the end of the week yet.
Marcus on July 28, 2009 at 4:33 PM
I thought Obama was a liar before it was cool to think that Obama is a liar.
NoDonkey on July 28, 2009 at 4:15 PM
I was with you the whole time budward…
DanMan on July 28, 2009 at 4:33 PM
It’s not a favorable report. Reuters is just spinning the negatives by omitting them.
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 4:34 PM
I never said anything about self-funded, you added it. You pay for health care and social security NOW, rather you like it not. If you die at 64… money paid for others, if you live past retirement age you may get some back. But with your attitude, I think you should not take it because you are so wise.
RIGHT!
Wade on July 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM
We’ve already de-bunked that. CBO did not release a “favorable report”….Ogabe’s people just re-spun it to the press. When Reuters heard their marching order, they took their noses out of Ogabe’s butt and said, “Yes, Sir!”
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:36 PM
I wonder if the obama’s sit around at nite on the veranda of the white house, sipping the finest bubbly, and chuckle together about all the saps out there, the peasants…..the little, greedy people, clinging to their health
Ris4victory on July 28, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Hey Rasmussen: “Well Duh!”
Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 4:36 PM
If you think your Social Security and Medicare taxes even begin to pay for your lifetime benefits, I’d like to interest you in a great investment opportunity.
Wade,meet Mr. Madoff.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Soylent Green Is People You Know
Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 4:37 PM
They have no choice. This is Obama’s SIGNATURE program even though he has no part in writing it (anyone who believes he’s had no input, I have have a bridge in San Francisco Bay for sale). Barry can claim he didn’t write PORK I, he just signed it because it was, you are aware, AN EMERGENCY! But Barry has been front and center pushing for health care reform as being needed NOW! (NOTE: He’s come close, but hasn’t screamed EMERGENCY! of late). You haven’t heard him push for Crap & Tax lately. It’s stuck in the Senate. Barry has put all his marbles of getting health care through before August. Now he’s all bluster because as the dog days of summer drag on, it’s less likely he’ll get what he wants. And if that happens, he’ll be forced to double down on Crap & Tax. He really wants to go to Copenhagen as an environmental hero. If he gets knocked down on both issues, he’ll still bluster – he’s a past master at that. But he’ll end up a 3 year lame-duck.
GarandFan on July 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM
The fix is in. We’ll be getting ObamaCare Lite as defined by the “bi-partisan” group of traitors on the Senate Finance Committee. Now that the CBO is falling in line, ObamaCare Lite will pass in September, despite the majority will of the American People against it.
We’ve gone from a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, to a government of the elite. Washington cares not what the people think, because there are enough stupid people to vote Democrat, and no strong opposition, causing Conservatives to splinter. Only once the people actually fight back (a la the Tea Party Movement) and start throwing the elites out of office will we take back our government.
SalAOR on July 28, 2009 at 4:40 PM
What really pisses me off is the AARP who could cares less about the members and have become nothing more than a lobbyist for socialism. As it Obamacare stands not, seniors have the most to lose in care, regardless of who pays.
Wade on July 28, 2009 at 4:40 PM
hold on, i thought he was up 3 points on the
rasmussenofficial gop tracking poll since sunday. what about that?sesquipedalian on July 28, 2009 at 4:41 PM
You are an idiot and off subject again. EOD
Wade on July 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM
No, it is a movie.
Wade on July 28, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Yeah but if you had that, you’d be just begging to have your car Effed up.
Youngs98 on July 28, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Bitterly clinging to whatever positive news you can find, huh?
Go enjoy Geitner’s idiocy today where he says that unsustainable deficits will continue for another 5 years. And feel the warm glow of economic responsibility wash over you.
lorien1973 on July 28, 2009 at 4:44 PM
I’ve personally heard 3 octogenerians – each of whom voted for Ogabe – say that they’re glad they won’t be around to see the whole house of cards collapse.
They’re still cashing their Social Security checks, of course.
I know I should be deferential to the elderly, but they are, as a group, very strident in agitating for increases in social program that benefit them in the here and now.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:44 PM
The recession is over – The depression has begun…..
izoneguy on July 28, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Gee, you sure gob-smacked me there, grandpa.
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Too bad that ObamaCare is not just a movie….
This is a real horrorshow….
One that many won’t escape from.
izoneguy on July 28, 2009 at 4:46 PM
AARP will be looking for a bail-out when their membership craters.
AARP will be gone in 4 years.
izoneguy on July 28, 2009 at 4:47 PM
The socialists will keep pushing for something. We have to keep fighting the socialists zombies. Obama next idea will be to link “tax-cuts” to some kind of single payer system….They won’t quit. They must be driven from DC and the funding for groups like ACORN must be stopped.
izoneguy on July 28, 2009 at 4:49 PM
I remember back in my carefree youth that I thought my old age in the year 2000 and beyond would be like something out of a science fiction movie with flying cars, colonies in space, and robot maids.
I didn’t think it would really be like Logan’s Run or Soylent Green.
Ah, the optimism of youth.
Lily on July 28, 2009 at 4:50 PM
AARP has been very left of center for years. Their involvement with Obamacare is perfectly consistent with their political positions. Now, if you polled their *members* you might hear a different story. But that story isn’t being told.
jwolf on July 28, 2009 at 4:51 PM
My mother quit the AARP because of their support for Obama. What was to be a bipartisan group, has become a cheerleading squad for socialism.
My hubby is eligible for AARP membership this year. He will decline, and let them know why. As will I, when my turn comes around. That is, if they’re still around.
capejasmine on July 28, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Hey, cheer up, Lily, at least you got to live to see the First Black President!
Rejoice.
Now, can we discuss your, um, end-of-life options?
guntotinglibertarian on July 28, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Democrats embody that stock comedy routine in which someone is so hell-bent-for-leather on sticking with his way of doing things that he endure any amount of hardship and misfortune before admitting he’s dead wrong.
But what can conservatives do? Sixty percent of independents are apparently experiencing profound buyer’s remorse. But Dems can stick their noses in the air and tell independents, “We won, and elections have consequences.”
Sigh.
BuckeyeSam on July 28, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Did Lowry say there’s “no such thing as a free lunch….”
Don’t let that kind of heresy get out there. We might have a revolt on our hands. We’ve been handing out free lunches for years. The trouble is, the eaters could care less about the makers of the lunch–just so long as they keep providin’ the lunch, we straight, as BHO would say.
ted c on July 28, 2009 at 4:59 PM
AARP staffers are just like members of Congress, they could give a big damn about the folks, its all about them and the cronies they support. If we only had an honest media in this country, the ignorant would get good advise and not depend on the crooks who promise them that their mortgages will be paid, gas will get cheap, free health insurance for everyone, free education for everyone and entitlements for for all illegal immigrants irregardless of any circumtances. What leadership we have in the democrats and the so called free press in this country. It is sickening. We are approaching a point for the people to march against the loss of their freedoms and the lower standard of living forced down our throats. Ever wonder why gun sales are thru the roof?
bluegrass on July 28, 2009 at 5:03 PM
OT, but interesting:
Vashta.Nerada on July 28, 2009 at 5:12 PM
I wouldn’t be celebrating yet. This is like fighting a Hydra.
atheling on July 28, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Lowry is right. Obama has lost all credibility by telling us what is in the bill is really not what is in the bill. He just lies. The statute of limitations is getting shorter and shorter on everything he says.
The AARP is favoring this junk. They are selling out seniors in the name of senior lobbying! Seniors in AARP: wise up and get out before you’re five year counseling session tells you to just take this little pill and die.
24% Republicans favor this? Guess this must be Colin Powell, Meghan McCain and all the other RINOs that stand for big government.
Christian Conservative on July 28, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Strange that 25 percent more Independents disapprove of Obamacare than approve of it, and dems and republicans are tied at 76 percent for and against, yet that results in just a two point difference in the polling numbers. Where democraps are concerned liars figure and figures lie. The only way the democraps can get to this bald faced lie figure is to undercount republicans by a third or more.
eaglewingz08 on July 28, 2009 at 6:38 PM
A friend of mine sent along an analysis of some of the most egregious elements of Obamacare presently touted by the Democrats:
A Few Highlights of the Healthcare Bill
This gives the government absolute power over your healthcare and how your healthcare dollars are spent (on other people).
Is this what you really want?
Be careful what you wish for.
Before you answer see pages 170, 195, 425 and 429
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participat e in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL America n financial and personal records.
• Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.”
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restri ct enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
Wow! Talk about political paybacks.
And these are just the highlights. Prepare for absolute government power over your healthcare.
This is some scary sh!t.
College Prof on July 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Paging AnnainCa
F15Mech on July 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM
It seems to be about time for ObamaCare’s first advance care planning consultation.
Kralizec on July 28, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Guys. Get on the phone to every rino say you are from their state and that you are representing a large tea party organization In their state and that will do everything to vote them out of office if they cave. Call these Rinos now.
texaninfidel on July 28, 2009 at 11:57 PM
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