Palin Truther-in-chief oddly skeptical of Birtherism
posted at 8:49 pm on July 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
Mary Katharine does the honors but this post was bound to emerge somewhere in the blogosphere sooner or later. Like Kaus says, it’s fish in a barrel. The only person who won’t grasp the irony and hypocrisy instantly is Sullivan himself, who used to have as his tagline this line from Orwell: “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” Little did he know how constant.
It doesn’t happen terribly often, but I’m with Andrew Sullivan on the need to lay Obama birther-ism to rest— a subject on which he’s been blogging with some energy over the last day.
Indeed, it’s almost as if birthers have allowed an intense and sometimes irrational dislike of a political figure to lead them to conspiracy theories while rationalizing the indulgence with concerns about the vetting process and rants about the failed responsibilities of a complicit media. It’s almost like they continue to ignore evidence to the contrary of such theories in order to preserve their favored narrative long after the question (and election) is settled, even when induced to abandon it by friends, adversaries, and Occam’s Razor alike.
My only knock on MK is that she limits herself to Sully’s Trig-related conspiracy theories. In fact, his nuttiness goes way beyond that, or at least it did before I quit reading him two years ago. See this post from May 2007 for a few of his greatest anti-”neocon” hits. That was occasioned by him having the gall to accuse Michelle of 9/11 Trutherism, yet another instance of his bizarre blind spot to his own paranoia leaving him exposed as a hypocrite. Ed’s catalogued other examples. Oh, and he’s evidently still a believer in Trig Truth even though he now apparently claims to be agnostic about it: See Ace’s latest for details of that. Exit question from that post: He’s not seriously onto Willow as the prime suspect in Trig’s mysterious birth, is he?
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How do I get some publicity for the “Clintons Murdered Vince Foster” theory?
jgapinoy on July 28, 2009 at 8:52 PM
I am kidding, but thought I would get the out of the way.
F15Mech on July 28, 2009 at 8:52 PM
No, surely you jest.
jimmy2shoes on July 28, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Embedded link orgy. However, Andrea Sullivan never fails to provide plenty of material to show that she’s f***ing lost her cookies.
MadisonConservative on July 28, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Why, oh why, would anyone read what Sullivan writes? He sounds totally demented, and perhaps he is.
chai on July 28, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Since he and Allah are sooooo close why not interview him the next morning over breakfast?
bill30097 on July 28, 2009 at 8:54 PM
ugh.. athiest posts are better Allah. Sullivan is so lame.
upinak on July 28, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Are changes at HotAir in the making?
d1carter on July 28, 2009 at 8:55 PM
I still have a few un-answered questions about Obamas citizenship. I am not a truther, but they do ask some very legitimate questions. And since the left wing of congress actually had hearings about mccains eligibility, I say truthers…..Have at it! but thats just me…
marktarheel on July 28, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Didn’t Obama invite Sullivan at some press occasion?
the_nile on July 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM
God, I hate this nutjob.
TimeTraveler on July 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Can I hijack?
blatantblue on July 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Let’s talk about Democrat POS Murtha – who not only posed a conspiracy theory – but used the power of his office to slander and ruin good Marines.
HondaV65 on July 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM
the = that
F15Mech on July 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Gay bald head … check
Gay black rimmed glasses … check
Gay neatly trimmed goatee … check
Can’t tell, is he clutching a Streisand album?
fogw on July 28, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Eh Andy is a nobody. Put up the Lou Dobbs truther stuff I sent Allah I love him calling out Racheal Maddow.
William Amos on July 28, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Damn that guy’s creepy looking.
dingbat on July 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Good thing I never started……
Seven Percent Solution on July 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM
You have to go through all sorts of mental contortions to be a Truther or a Trig Truther or any of those. Whereas in order to be a Birther, apparently all you need to do is ask what’s the deal with Obama’s birth certificate.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM
I find it ironic that a gay man who came of age at a time when homosexuality was very much despised, who must certainly have faced the worst sort of bullying in his youth, would now stoop to bullying a mentally disabled child. Because that’s what this is, make no mistake. He is publicly calling the child a bastard — a child who will never have the intellectual ability to defend himself against Sullivan’s accusations.
To put it bluntly, Andrew Sullivan is a monster.
I’m ashamed to admit I used to read him. He really was good, once upon a time.
Caiwyn on July 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Bill Clinton is the answer.
He was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.
He was Sirhan Sirhan’s driver.
He talked Jimmy Hoffa into going for a ride.
He watched Hillary kill Vince Foster.
He hired Timothy McVeigh.
He knocked up Willow with Trig because David Letterman dared him to do it.
Finally, he topped it off by creating Obama’s COLB in photoshop, then threatened everyone from Andrew Sullivan, to Jim DeMint, to the Hawaiian governor, to Mary Katherine Ham, to keep quiet.
Dude’s been busy.
MadisonConservative on July 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM
That sums it up the best I’ve seen.
I can’t figure out what the birfers hope to accomplish with this…vindication? And, according to comments on some of the prominent lefty blogs, the birfers are simply racist.
Obviously, the racism claim isn’t true. So what is your goal and why, birfers? Truthfully…
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM
I can’t recall which conservative first pointed this out but he (or she) was close when: “Sullivan is our [i.e., the right's] Gore Vidal.”
No, he’s frigging Gore Vidal, full stop.
SteveMG on July 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Obama QUOTED a false fact from Sullivan’s blog referencing Chruchill and torture.
Remember that?
HondaV65 on July 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Oddly? It’s easy to be skeptical when it harms one of your own.
Esthier on July 28, 2009 at 9:02 PM
So this is the real reason why palin resigned!
TimeTraveler on July 28, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Obama is an American citizen so please stop with the nuttiness…..
Anyone who claims otherwise is a moron.
TimeTraveler on July 28, 2009 at 9:05 PM
I have no doubt that there is something there in the filty liar’s upbringing that would kill him if it comes out. I also have no doubt that John Kerry hid his real military records since he only released a redacted copy of his discharge signed by the Secretary of the Navy when he was in Congress.
None of this matters. You vet a candidate before his/her election. The filthy liar is President. Better to make him fail now than to spend all this time chasing shadows.
highhopes on July 28, 2009 at 9:05 PM
I think the majority believe it’s true and see it as the surefire way to get Obama out of the White House. They might be blind to facts because we’re dealing with Obama, but that doesn’t mean they don’t believe it.
As to the summary, I think it was more directed at Sully himself than the Birthers, though it does apply to both.
Esthier on July 28, 2009 at 9:06 PM
The first 6 months of the Obama presidency have been a hash. The elites whose credibility and vanity are at stake need something they can latch onto, hence the constant birther stuff. Hot Air, don’t feed the FIRE!
rob verdi on July 28, 2009 at 9:06 PM
True … but why stop with the fun?
HondaV65 on July 28, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Lol the only reason why Sullivan is so ardent in his Trig truthersism and so skeptical when it comes to Obama birtherisim is because one conspiracy theory revolves around a powerful male politician and the other revolves around a powerful female politician and we all know that Sullivan is afraid of girls and thinks they all have cooties.
Dreadnought223 on July 28, 2009 at 9:06 PM
The Atlantic should be embarrassed they have this nutjob blogging for them. I can’t believe they pay him.
terryannonline on July 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Is it still okay to hit the filthy liar on being a socialist, a radical racist, and unfit for office?
highhopes on July 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Highlight
”
Andrew Sullivan: The Top Ten Reasons Conservatives Should Vote For Obama
10. A body blow to racial identity politics
9. Less debt
8. A return to realism and prudence in foreign policy
7. An ability to understand the difference between listening to generals and delegating foreign policy to them.
6. Temperament. Obama has the coolest, calmest demeanor of any president since Eisenhower
5. Faith. Obama’s fusion of Christianity and reason, his non-fundamentalist faith, is a critical bridge between the new atheism and the new Christianism.
4. A truce in the culture war
3. Two words: President Palin.
2. Conservative reform. Until conservatism can get a distance from the big-spending, privacy-busting, debt-ridden, crony-laden, fundamentalist, intolerant, incompetent and arrogant faux conservatism of the Bush-Cheney years, it will never regain a coherent message to actually govern this country again
1. The War Against Islamist terror. The strategy deployed by Bush and Cheney has failed
If you are serious about the war on terror
the only serious candidate is Barack Obama”
the_nile on July 28, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Their goal is to do nothing that might earn them the scorn of those who will scorn them regardless.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 9:09 PM
I don’t see anything wrong with stating true facts that can be backed up with evidence.
TimeTraveler on July 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Conservatives who spend time throwing stones at the birthers are idiots imo.
There are better things to do with your time. Attack Andrew Sullivan, or Oliver Stone, or Michael Moore, or Whoopie Goldburg,or any of the plethora of whackjob conspiracies on the left.
It’s kind of stupid to attack the birthers when you ignore the conspiracies the left is throwing at you.
I believe Obama is a citizen – I also believe there is SOMETHING on the birth certificate he doesn’t want seen. So I enjoy the show the birthers put on.
If you want to attack the birthers – congratulations – you’re helping to defend Ogabe the same way David Astroturf and Rahm the Ballerina are doing.
The difference is – you’re doing it for free and they, at least, are getting paid.
Nuff said.
HondaV65 on July 28, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Andrew Sullivan hates women. Period.
Rational Thought on July 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM
I believe that conservatives do attack the leftist conspiracy theories.
terryannonline on July 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Kudos to Sullivan for finding an even more moronic conspiracy theory to cling to than the Birthers.
packsoldier on July 28, 2009 at 9:14 PM
There seems to be a pattern emerging here. Leave Obama in office to sink the democrats instead of getting Plugs or, even worse, Pelosi, to fill his empty shoes. They want to shoot the stupid fish in the barrel, Obama. Then, at the end of his term, blow it wide open and take him out of the record books. Kind of makes sense, even though I would like to see him frog marched out of the Oval Office.
suzyk on July 28, 2009 at 9:14 PM
You are wrong. The first six months of the filthy liar’s reign of terror have been a complete failure.
The filthy liar came in as the post racial guy who could get bipartisan support for his initiatives. Virtually nothing of importance has been passed with bipartisan support. The stimulus bill was a good example as is the way the Democrats literally bought votes to get cap & tax out of the House. The filthy liar himself launched a race war with his comments over an insignificant altercation in Cambridge.
The first six months of this administration have not been a hash they have been a dismal failure hidden largely by the state-run media.
highhopes on July 28, 2009 at 9:14 PM
And I believe that Conservatives have spent more time crapping on the birthers than they did defending Sarah Palin on the “Who’s Trig’s Mom?” issue.
Priorities.
HondaV65 on July 28, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Sullivan should just shut up and stop opining about anybody’s birth certificate.
clnurnberg on July 28, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Just noticed over at TPM that the race card is increasingly being played by the Obama supporters.
As his poll numbers decline and his critics make inroads look to see this card being played dare I say liberally.
From the bottom, middle and top of the deck.
SteveMG on July 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Andrew Sullivan is a pig and hope he runs into Todd Palin in an alley. Obama is a massive fail and I hate to admit it, but I am enjoying seeing him crash so spectacularly. The damage to our country will be done, but at least he will not have a second term.
TXMomof3 on July 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Yup, we’ve never said a peep about the 9/11 truthers, the FEMA campers, the Bush-third-termers, the Katrina-was-setters, or any of the rest of the goddamned lunatics we regularly facepalm ourselves over.
Seriously, please don’t try to rewrite history to make it fit your new paradigm. Think of it this way. If you really think there’s something to it, then the majority of people scoffing at this, including, it seems, most conservatives, will all have egg on their faces, instead of you.
MadisonConservative on July 28, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Honestly, the “who’s Trig’s mom” thing was so “out there” that it didn’t deserve even a moment’s attention.
My brain’s fried…I’m not sure what you mean there…
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Bottoms (that’s gay for “the woman”) tend be oblivious of the forest for the trees.
SouthernGent on July 28, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Classic symptoms of AIDS dementia-related psychosis:
Terry_Dyne on July 28, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Then you’re not reading. Even this post here by Ham is an attack on Sully over Trig.
Esthier on July 28, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Yeah, like I mentioned above, perusing some of the usual lefty blogs…they’re really pushing the racist angle re: the birthers.
But then, stupid begets stupid I suppose.
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Exactly. Andrew Sullivan is a joke 2 all of us.
terryannonline on July 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM
It means we shouldn’t do anything that might earn the derision of people whose opinion and fairmindedness we respect, like Chris Matthews.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM
SouthernGent on July 28, 2009 at 9:22 PM
See? I learn something new every day!
TXMomof3 on July 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM
How about let’s not.
Dark-Star on July 28, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Heh. Blake is a prophet.
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
unclesmrgol on July 28, 2009 at 9:30 PM
I think I saw those names on some FBI terrorist watch list.
TimeTraveler on July 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM
MK Ham… just another stooge of the Grand Conspiracy.
/sarc
JohnGalt23 on July 28, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Are you a birther?
But anyway, Repubs need to really stop worrying what the left says. We need to prop ourselves up on our own merits. And the birthers aren’t helping.
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 9:34 PM
Are you someone who would prefer to throw out a dismissive nickname in lieu of thinking?
Shouting them down will help.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Or how about, we already did.
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/murtha-will-have-to-testify-in-defamation-case/
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/30/marine-to-sue-murtha-over-irresponsible-haditha-accusations/
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/30/murtha-if-im-corrupt-its-because-i-take-care-of-my-district/
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/29/sign-the-vets-for-freedom-petition-demanding-an-apology-from-murtha/
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/28/exclusive-premiere-vff-ad-goes-after-murtha/
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/03/video-haditha-marines-father-unloads-on-murtha/
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/28/cleared-charges-dropped-against-haditha-marine-stephen-tatum/
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/19/murtha-wants-marines-defamation-suit-tossed-out/
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/08/marine-report-haditha-massacre-was-engineered-by-al-qaeda/
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/12/marine-cleared-in-haditha-case-set-to-sue-murtha/
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/18/lawyer-of-haditha-marine-chessani-we-might-sue-murtha/
Esthier on July 28, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Or how about, we already did.
http://hotair.com/?s=murtha+haditha
Esthier on July 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM
My God, Sully is so much like my gay uncle who died of AIDS.
Selfish
Urban affluent
Problems with women
Little control over appetites
Life spent trying to justify sodomy
Thinks the Catholic Church should well…just change the Catechism to fit his lifestyle
Wasted life
Can’t wait for him to blow his own head off with a pistol after Sarah beats O’Barfy.
Sapwolf on July 28, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I’m just wondering, did anyone make it through more one Sully link in MKH’s piece?
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 9:42 PM
I’ll take that as a “yes”.
And I’m not being “dismissive” using the term “birther”…If you prefer a different title, I’ll be happy to use it.
Sorry, but when I see something I consider to be an idiotic waste of time and an extraordinary focus of damage within sectors of my own political party, I call it out.
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 9:42 PM
This idiotic hypocrite should be called out. What a lying moron this guy is. Keep the record in the public view. When this half-wit is exposed, along with his imaginary lover, Obama…we’ll need to remind the other idiot constituency, that voted Dem the last election, why listening to mouth breathers like this goofball (as well as the ‘conservative’ idiots perpetuating the Obama birther scenario) are dead. I suspect Paulbots because these people are as insane as the lefties they think they are fighting.
AUINSC on July 28, 2009 at 9:42 PM
I like how all of a sudden these two newspapers claim they didn’t print birth announcements unless it came from the state…oh, but they do now…but not back then. Back in 1961 it was just soooo impossible to allow someone to phone in a birth announcement. We all know how so very careful they were about everything back then.
Wouldn’t dare leave your car running while you ran into the store-constant worries about the effects of fatty foods and cigarettes-so much fear about terrorism; was a real pain at the airports let me tell ya-definitely locked your house at night or if you went somewhere-wouldn’t even think about hitchhiking because of all the crazies in the news.
Of course, it is well-known that everyone was born in a state hospital back then and it had to be within 50 miles of their residence. I remember reading about that law, but can’t remember what it’s called now?
I guess if you wanted to announce your wedding anniversary, you were just SOL-”the state didn’t inform us.” If a kid was born elsewhere or not in a hospital-again, SOL? No, just bring in a birth certificate (if they even really needed that-I’m sure there’s all sorts of people back then especially who would have fake birth announcements printed in their local newspapers…had to be on their guard you know!) and they’d print it. But a birth certificate does not mean the one we’re looking for anyway.
But whoever WND talked to surely must be believable. I’m sure that birth announcement protocols are something they’ve spent many working hours discussing and tweaking in the last 47 years. Just such a HUGE part of their paper they must have rigorous rules about this.
Yeah, right.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM
As will I.
In that case, I’d prefer if you addressed me as Mr. Treacher.
Me too, which is why I wonder why some people are so terrified of dissent on this issue.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 9:45 PM
LOL. Great post. Biting. (Can I say that in a Sullivan-related thread?)
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 9:46 PM
+1
I simply can’t believe I read that guy before. I couldn’t believe it when he began to have illusions of being an OB/GYN after Sarah came into the national scene.
Maybe someone should tell him that being a doctor without a license is a crime…
newton on July 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM
That’s not quite birther-specific…
Dissent is fine…lord knows I’ve dissented from majority opinion from time to time…but spending so much time and effort on something that’s a moot point (Yes, it’s a moot point) is only damaging the GOP brand. Even tho it’s really not a GOP majority opinion by far.
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 9:53 PM
So what does your side call us? “Suppressors“?
Help help! I’m being suppressed!
MadisonConservative on July 28, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Didn’t this man right a book about being a conservative or something? How many copies did that rag sell?
StevefromMKE on July 28, 2009 at 9:56 PM
I WANT TO BELIEVE!
Iblis on July 28, 2009 at 9:59 PM
If you want to take back the offer, just say so.
Well, maybe they wouldn’t spend so much time reacting to being shouted down if they weren’t being shouted down so much.
Yeah, kind of like that. Why so frenzied?
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Heh. It’s got a nice ring to it. And you can never go wrong with Monty Python.
It’s descriptive of your intentions, not that you folks are successful in suppressing anyone. But it’s not for a lack of effort, that’s for sure.
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 10:04 PM
It seems you confuse amusement with frenzy. Well, I supposed there is such a thing as frenzied amusement. Although, we aren’t that far yet. Not until the thing is released and the birthers cry fraud anyway.
MadisonConservative on July 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM
No it isn’t.
(Since we’re doing Python references)
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM
If you insist.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Blake was just (B 8:19 ^ Al 8:49) 30 minutes off. Not bad. Maybe Blake inspired him.
Americannodash on July 28, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Oh, c’mon now…Mr. Treacher…that’s the weakest argument yet. Again, what are birthers really trying to accomplish here? Really…
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM
I saw this earlier and thought the comparison was very apt, in a weird ironic sort of way.
Is this what they mean by cognitive dissonance?
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Whereas that’s the strongest assertion ever made. Okay, fine, they’re not reacting to being shouted down.
Well, how about getting Obama to release his long-form birth certificate?
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Insisting must be done with those claiming to be telepathic.
MadisonConservative on July 28, 2009 at 10:23 PM
If he did…would you really believe it to be genuine?
So by default, there’s a big cover-up going on. Hawaiian officials and doctors are all in on it. And Hillary missed it during the primaries.
You still haven’t given an answer to: What are you really trying to accomplish with this?
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 10:24 PM
OT for a sec while you’re here…
What ever happened to “Mother may I sleep with Treacher”? Catchy tag line it was.
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM
If your words are so often at odds with your intentions, perhaps remedial English study would be in order.
It would certainly help if we could see for ourselves, as opposed to taking some state official’s word for it.
Not necessarily. But would that really be so far-fetched? He’s managed to keep so much of his past under wraps.
Asked and answered.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 10:30 PM
I changed it.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 10:30 PM
If Obama has nothing to hide why is he hiding? Just to waste time and money?
clnurnberg on July 28, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Andrew Sullivan is given a platform to blog and comment online to constantly demonstrate how mentally f’d up the sodomites are.
Thank the people that have given him a place to share his twisted thoughts.
JaqobJackson on July 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Again, telepathy. Seriously, you need a weekly half-hour show, Friday prime time. The Amazing Kreskin returns!
MadisonConservative on July 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Ahh…so it would “help”, that’s it? And who’s word would you take for it? Since it’s unlikely that you, personally, will be able to hold and inspect Obama’s real birth certificate yourself…
JetBoy on July 28, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Having something to hide isn’t the same as being ineligible.
Esthier on July 28, 2009 at 10:39 PM
It bothers me that some are saying it doesn’t matter where he was born as his story is so American. Screw the story.
I believe he was born here as Barry Sr. was unlikely to spand the money to take his teenage bride to Kenya and then abandon the fam. But so much about the man is shrouded in mystery that you can’t help but wonder what is behind the veil of secrecy.
clnurnberg on July 28, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Of course not, but if he was GOP we’d have known everything, and plenty of lies about him too
clnurnberg on July 28, 2009 at 10:42 PM
No, just reading what you write, and then reading your protestations that nobody understands what you wrote. Maybe it’s you?
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 10:43 PM
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