Of course Obama’s a natural-born citizen, says … Jim DeMint?
posted at 5:05 pm on July 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
Big Jim? Reddest of red-state Republicans? A man who once said he wouldn’t mind if the Democrats held 70 seats in the Senate so long as the 30 GOP seats were occupied by small-government conservatives? That Jim DeMint?
On Monday, however, the South Carolina Republican found himself defending Barack Obama from the fringier elements of his own political party: the conspiracy theorists who insist the president was not born in the United States.
“I may have disagreements with [the president] on issues,” DeMint told the Huffington Post. “But he is my president, he deserves our respect, and we need forget that nonsense …
“He is not only a citizen,” he added, “he is our president.”
Current status of DeMint’s Constitution-abiding “true conservative” credentials: Shaky. Fortunately for believers, there are more than a dozen other congressmen who now question the official story willing to pick up his slack. Something for discussion in the comments: What exactly is the theory about the Certificate of Live Birth that Obama has produced? It’s obviously based on some sort of original documentary information in Hawaii’s possession, be it a contemporaneous statement from the doctor who delivered him or affidavits from his parents and/or grandparents that he was born in Honolulu. Let’s say it’s the latter. What then? How exactly is evidence that’s accepted by a U.S. state as proof of birth somehow insufficient to qualify one for the presidency?
Update: I’m sure National Review’s “true conservative” credentials would be revoked for this editorial if not for the fact that they were revoked long ago for being snobby elitist east coast New York/Beltway cocktail-party attenders or whatever.
If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy. Given that fact, we are loath even to engage the fanciful notion that President Obama was born elsewhere, contrary to the information on his birth certificate, but we note for the record that his mother was a native of Kansas, whose residents have been citizens of the United States for a very long time, and whose children are citizens of the United States as well.
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They won’t accept jack sh!t.
Perhaps some will move on if the desired “proof” was produced, but there would no doubt remain a cadre of theorists.
We have huge openings in healthcare and spending, yet we are getting all wrapped up in a theory that is less than convincing
blatantblue on July 28, 2009 at 6:41 PM
It’s been proven. You don’t accept the proof.
That’s your problem, not the nation’s.
Good Lt on July 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Is Allah and Ed going for Web-Site of the month or something. Is it sweeps week for Web-Sites.
Man, I knew they had the fever, but I think now they have a decease and the only prescription is BC threads all day everyday.
Good Lord
kara26 on July 28, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Only one way to find out.
Well then, it must be true.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM
more cowbell!
blatantblue on July 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM
katy:
You know what? I think Barack Obama is a crappy president for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with this.
The point is that you are saying Barack Obama is a liar because he says he is an American. I am saying that the first people who said Obama was an American were the people who put that ad in the papers back in 1961. So if this is a lie, it began then..not with anything Barack Obama did or said.
I think Obama lied about how he made his money. I think Obama lied about his relationship with Blago. I think he lied about how much money he raised and how he raised it. I think he lied when he said he did not want government to take over health care.
But if we spend all our time and energy on this, it just makes it easier for Obama to get away with all the real honest to God lies he tells every freaking day.
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM
You know who ELSE was born on August 4, 1961?
LAUREN TOM, that’s who.
Who is Lauren Tom you ask?
Born in Chicago. Coincidence?
She did voiceovers for the show Futurama. Obama would go on to be a future President. Coincidence?
She also did voiceovers for King of the Hill. Obama is the head of government, or “king of the hill”. Coincidence?
She was in the movie “Y2K”, Obama first ran for the US House of representatives in the year 2000 or “Y2K”. Coincidence?
She was in the movie “Mr. Jones”. Obama’s “political godfather” in Chicago was Emil Jones, Jr. Coincidence?
She is of Chinese heritage, and Obama has been urging China to buy more of our debt, giving them leverage over the US. Coincidence?
This is only the tip of the iceburg regarding the Barack/Lauren Tom connection. Only with Obama’s ORIGINAL birth certificate can we understand the TRUE connection between them. Are they related? Was Lauren ever in Kenya, Hawaii, Indonesia or Pakistan? We must DEMAND answers!!!!!
Hollowpoint on July 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM
many will actually just move on to another angle from which to attack and “ask questions”
much like truthers, actually
blatantblue on July 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM
What’s this, Jim?
Why isn’t it enough for you?
Good Lt on July 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM
A sucker is born every minute….. speaking of births
katy on July 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Because anybody who disagrees with you is a nutty Birther.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 6:46 PM
If he sustains the lie…. he’s a liar!
katy on July 28, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Don’t become a lawyer – because what you call proof is jack.
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Jim:
Oh yes, Jim I am so unreasonable. In fact it seems to me that the more evidence they get the more they demand. What difference is the long form? What difference will it make? The short form comes from the long form. That is where the information originates. The short form will not contradict the long form.
But hey, knock yourselves out. Go ahead.
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Do you subscribe to the conspiracy fantasy or not, Jim?
Where’s your “proof” and “evidence?”
What has ANY Birther entered into evidence supporting their case?
Good Lt on July 28, 2009 at 6:50 PM
We’ve seen his Adoption Papers?
We’ve seen his name change documents?
Please point out where?
Or, are you as usual, not even trying to answer the point made, but just keep spamming somthing which is not germain to the point?
Romeo13 on July 28, 2009 at 6:50 PM
The problem though is POTUS eligibility doesn’t explicitly define proof.
anuts on July 28, 2009 at 6:51 PM
You tell them counselor.
Why every judge, every attorney, every court in Hawaii has accepted the COLB as the definitive document to prove birth…but you are going over there and straighten them out.
Those fools for over 50 years have been tricked, but now you are armed and ready to straighten them out.
Good luck…report back how you did….
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 6:51 PM
katy:
God, this is like watching a snake swallow itself. What makes you think Obama knows or thinks or believes this is a lie.
I might have been on the planet Mars for all I know, but my parents tell me I was born Oklahoma and the birth certificate I saw says so…so I guess it must be true.
BTW, my original birth certificate was destroyed in a fire years and years ago…so maybe I was really born in Iceland.
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Hmmm… interesting line of inquiry…
Is Barrak Hussein Obama his legal name? Was it ever changed LEGALY from Barry Soetoro? If not, then he knowingly conducted Election Fraud…
Could at least get discovery opened up, even if not a truly valid line of attack…
Romeo13 on July 28, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Hawaii has said they haven’t destroyed any original documents
aikidoka on July 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM
How about his dental records and 3rd grade report card?
FAR more than what’s required, which you are ignoring. Of course.
Good Lt on July 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM
I gots QUESTIONS!!!
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 6:56 PM
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President”
Does Obama qualify?
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 6:29 PM
The State of Hawaii has stated that Obama was born in Hawaii, so, yes…
elgeneralisimo on July 28, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Hmmm… how am I ignoring that document, which has NOTHING to do with later name changes?
Or, as stated, do you miss the point on purpose?
Romeo13 on July 28, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Was it ever changed legalLy to Barry Soetoro? Evidence?
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 6:58 PM
I think you need to change you username to mustbedim. I never claimed that the COLB was not an accepted way of establishing identity, but that’s not what this is about. Is someone spends so much money hiding something it must be worth the money. So what is on the actual Birth Certificate that we are not allowed to see?
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Read what you post?
In 1790, the Congress passed legislation to make everyone born here a Natural Born Citizen. In 1795 they CHANGED that to Citizen.
So its clear THEY had different standards for Citizen, vice Natural Born Citizen (or why bother to change it?).
Romeo13 on July 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Give me hope…. Give me some truth about Obama. Don’t hold back girl…
Let it fly…
katy on July 28, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Why would you say so if it were otherwise? Well proven.
I think they’re just too intimidated by your persuasive charm.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Based on records that were destroyed and then not destroyed, yes. But the point is, Obama was not alive when the Constitution was ratified.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM
As usual you are of the mark. The burden of proof is on Obama to verify his eligibility and not us to prove otherwise. Since no one seems to know how and if that ever happened why should I just take his word for it.
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 7:07 PM
I got bad news for ya.
Obama is a natural born citizen.
Sorry.
Good Lt on July 28, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Uh, you might want to look at who lives in the White House. He’s already met all the burden he needs to, which is why he was sworn in as POTUS. Those who hope to get him out with this theory have an extremely long row to hoe.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Please stop posting the same image of the COLB over and over doing so does not make it into a birth certificate regardless what the link says.
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 7:10 PM
You say this as if he could help himself.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Frankly this whole birth certificate “controversy” is an embarrassment. There is no need for people to act like leftists with their Trig trutherism. People such as Charles Johnson of LGF runs three threads a day on this and tries to link it to rightists in general.
Hilts on July 28, 2009 at 7:14 PM
It’s valid and acceptable for eligibility verification.
Deal.
Good Lt on July 28, 2009 at 7:15 PM
It’s gotta be something in the water down in SC. First Maverick Senator Suck@ss came down with brain rot and now DeMint is showing signs of something terribly wrong.
Mr. Grump on July 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM
For whom? You? Are you now the one man document verification authority for the entire US. Look into the Hawaiian state law and look up under what circumstances these COLB can be issued in terms of time from actual birth, validating the actual live birth etc. Then come back and tell me it is irrevocable proof.
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 7:19 PM
OMG! Y’all were right all along. Obama was not born in Hawaii! Proof positive!
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:20 PM
How do you suppose he got a passport?
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Kathryn Jean Lopez wrote on NRO as noted above:
BUZZZZZZZZ!
W-R-O-N-G!
The document Obama produced is a “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH.” It was printed in 2007, and has 12 details about the registrant’s birth. What “birthers” are seeking is a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH from 1961, generated days after Obama was born, which contains twenty-three details, including the attending physician, a signature from one parent, and the local registrar.
Maddoggit, K-Lo, you don’t even have enough basic knowledge of the issue to even have an informed opinion!
“Inspected by reporters…” Ooooh. Can’t get much better than them reporters, whom we all know aren’t, y’know, biased in favor of Obama, or something.
Speaking of reporters, K-Lo (and Allah), you heard about how CNN chief Rick Klein sent an email to Lou Dobbs’ staff saying that CNN “political researchers” spoke with the good folks who keep the HI birth records, and they discovered that when the information was computerized in 2001, and all the paper documents were discarded, making the search for the 1961 BHO birth cert “a dead issue?” Remember that?
That was a crock. The Hawaii Health Dept’s official spokesmouth, Janice Okubo, today said they didn’t and don’t destroy the originals. So whatthell was Klein’s email all about, telling Dobbs that Okubo said they’re all gone, and “this story is dead?”
So we know now what CNN didn’t want us to know — Obama’s 1961 birth certificate still exists in Hawaiian records, meaning there is a document that hasn’t been yet revealed to the public. And now we know that Okubo’s boss, Chiyome Fukino, has seen that 1961 document and compared it with the 2007 printout, despite the fact that last year, she and Okubo and the Hawaii Attorney General’s office said they couldn’t do that due to Hawaii’s privacy laws.
So what’s happened between last October and now, K-Lo and Allah? The law? Nope. Maybe it’s the possibility this might come to a head in Federal court now that an Afghanistan-bound soldier’s challenge to BHO’s election has been reinstated, and for the first time in all the so-called “birther” cases, the 2007 certificate and the 1961 certificate just might be compared by people under oath.
It astounds me that some of you are rejecting enforcing a Constitutional requirement for President because you’re cowed by being called “crazy.” You’ve been called “fascists,” “racists,” “bigots,” “homophobes,” and worse for years, and you all were confident in the truth that you weren’t any of those things. Why all of a sudden is the name-calling working?
Stand up straight and tell the truth: Obama claims the truth is his friend, but he’s treating it like a mortal enemy. Even if he’s telling the truth, and everything is on the up-and-up, he’s torturing the officials in Hawaii by failing to step forward and authorize them to show the evidence once and for all. On top of that, if everything is in order, he’s going back on his promise of transparency out of spite and political gamesmanship, something he vowed to end in his high-minded campaign. Just because Giggling Gibbs says “it won’t convince them” is no excuse for the White House to do every IT can to end the controversy.
The ball is in Obama’s court. HE can end it. If it doesn’t end, it’s HIS fault, not ours.
L.N. Smithee on July 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM
The point isn’t proving he wasn’t born on U.S. soil. The point is proving he was.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Um your pointing to a document, that if true, PROOVES he is NOT eleigable, due to being a dual citizen at birth.
Romeo13 on July 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM
You tell me. Did he submit his COLB or his full Birth Certificate?
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM
And he doesn’t care about ending it. In fact, he like people sniffing after this bone. You’ve probably noticed that he’s already the President. All the questions in the world aren’t going to change that.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:27 PM
That is what is known as a joke, Jim. Remember them?
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:28 PM
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
You are aware of what Amendments do ?
elgeneralisimo on July 28, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Same applied to Nixon. Just stop asking questions, he is in office and that’s that.
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Hey, what happens if Obama doesn’t PROVE (to the satisfaction of any and everyone) that he was born in HI? Will he still be POTUS in the morning?
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Uh, no. Nixon was about to be impeached when he resigned. Fail.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Why does it have to be oriented toward some end result? Why can’t it just be in the interest of having a single standard for everybody, even if they’re smooth handsome black men who Chris Matthews pleasures himself to?
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Nixon was going to be impeached because two reporters continued digging into a story everyone told them had no legs – you fail and are naïve sir.
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM
It’s also known as a false premise. I know you remember them.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Tilt gas can up, now pour on fire….
$1,000,000.00 give or take a few, $1,000,012.00 takes 80% of burghers away
kara26 on July 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Pure conjecture……..
NAME THE HOSPITAL AND THE DOCTOR.
These are two vital pieces of information on ANYONE’S Real Birth Certificate.
StimulateTHIS on July 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Remember when we were supposed to shut up about John Edwards and his pregnant girlfriend, because it was just the National Enquirer, and nobody would be nuts enough to think he could get away with it, and besides shut up?
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Sorry birthed not burghers. LOL. First post with iPhone.
kara26 on July 28, 2009 at 7:32 PM
MMMMMMM Delicious, I love it when the TC’s cannibalize.
Squid Shark on July 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Obama’s ‘proof’ was acceptable enough to satisfy the State of Hawaii, State of Illinois, Congress, and the EC. Those bodies have verified his eligibility. If his ‘proof’ is indeed fraud, forged, faked, and/or false then we would be in criminal territory (perjury, obstruction, etc.). At which point, as you know, he would be innocent until proven guilty.
Amendments IV, V, and VI still apply to….yes, even the America and Constitution hating POTUS we have today.
anuts on July 28, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Read your history, Pablo: The Watergate break-in occurred months BEFORE the 1972 election, and Nixon (unlike Obama) won in a landslide. The reason why you’ve heard of Woodward & Bernstein is because they kept with the Watergate story when everybody else gave up on it.
L.N. Smithee on July 28, 2009 at 7:36 PM
I know the debates get heated, but there’s no reason to go flinging images like that around.
TheUnrepentantGeek on July 28, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Like Posey’s bill. A fine idea. Let’s fix the fact that there is no verification requirement.
No, it’s a false document. Because of teh funee.
No, I don’t remember that. And remember giggling about that, a lot.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Smart move. Let the truth come out by itself and not get trapped by the libs.
texaninfidel on July 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM
A perfect evening for Chris Matthews: Some scented candles, a nice bottle of wine, the DVD of Obama’s inauguration speech, and a vat of Jergen’s.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Yeah, because there was a story and they rooted it out. And they didn’t do it by stamping their feet and demanding answers. If you think there’s a smoking on gun the long form, then you need to root that out. Which you can’t because you’re not entitled to and the state is prohibited from releasing it to you, or anyone else that doesn’t have a tangible interest.
We’ll be better off keeping an eye out for Obama’s Watergate. You know it’s out there.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:41 PM
That was priceless. :D
Caiwyn on July 28, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Oh. My. God.
That was some funny stuff.
anuts on July 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I understand that you think so.
I do. Except that time it was the left telling me to shut up because there wasn’t any proof and you can’t prove anything and shut up shut up shut up.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
And this time, they’re egging you on.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Stimulate This:
What difference would it make? If they had a name of a hospital and a doctor, it would not change anything. They would just be another part of the conspiracy.
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Why? Because DeMint’s consistency with Constitutional values may possibly run deeper than defeating Obama?
anuts on July 28, 2009 at 7:47 PM
I don’t see them here.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Jim:
Oh but they are egging on you on. Matthews loves this, so do the folks at CNN. They want the American people to think that conservatives are nut cases.
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Ah, then they don’t exist. JUST LIKE OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
Nothing to worry about then. Say hello to President McCain for me, would you?
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:51 PM
So we should allow the likes of Chris Matthews decide what we can and can’t talk about.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Cruel and unusual.
TheUnrepentantGeek on July 28, 2009 at 7:51 PM
If they’re egging me on, they’re being awfully quiet about it. Not much of an egging.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Check my first post: the Hawaii officials broke their own privacy law when they said they compared the documents, and that they are sympatico. Last year, they said they couldn’t do that. Now all of a sudden they can.
I ain’t a lawyer, but I believe that’s called “opening the door.” Maybe I’m wrong. Any members of the bar wanna comment?
L.N. Smithee on July 28, 2009 at 7:52 PM
40% of Americans are conservative and don’t watch CNN or Matthews. The rest already have their mind made up.
Attack, attack, attack is the only way to get the sob out of office. If we wait until the media or beta-male republican talking heads approve of any strategy we will see another 4 years of the O.
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Oh, and if you’re saying what I think you’re saying — not that it’s at all clear — you probably mean “Say hello to President Biden.”
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I mean come on, don’t you think that if Obama wanted to find a doctor that would remember his mama’s labor pains and Obama’s own birth that he could do that? Don’t you think that if he wanted to make sure there was a long form with all kinds of information he could do that too? After all, he has apparently got DeMint on his side, right? And the state of Hawaii? And the McCain campaign? And just about everyone else? So why not come up with the long form?
He wants to keep this going. It works for him.
Besides, even if he came up with the long form the next question would be is the real long form or a forgery?
or something.
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM
This isn’t very quiet.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:54 PM
No, silly. The left doesn’t exist.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:55 PM
If it doesn’t make a difference, why not show it?
L.N. Smithee on July 28, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Maybe they were under the mistaken impression that if they answered people’s questions it would be the end of the questions.
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Everything he does it part of his master plan, and anything you do in response is just playing into it. So just leave it.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Maybe you think the TV is talking to you, but I don’t.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM
LN:
Maybe Obama likes to watch the show. Maybe he does not want them to show the real thing. I doubt if it would end it, but it could well be that Obama is trying to keep this thing alive to distract people from other more important issues.
But then again, if producing the information they have thus far produced, is not enough, why believe that more information would matter?
That kind of thing works both ways.
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Yes. Attack the outrageous spending, attack the socialization of the private sector, attack the power grabs, attack the corruption, attack the foreign policy cluelessness, attack the czars. There’s plenty of great material to work with, and it would take decades to run out of it.
Or, you could keep after the birtherism and maybe call him a ni**er a lot.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Third base!
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Jim:
Me leave it? Gladly. I am not the one who is making the issue in the first place. I am not the one demanding more and more information knowing full well that there will never be enough.
All I ever did was say that I think the whole thing is absurd. And I do.
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Pablo:
Too true. Obama is wrong in so many ways, why waste time and energy on this?
Terrye on July 28, 2009 at 8:01 PM
You don’t let your enemy decide where and how you can attack them, you use all avenues. Just because the MSM says this hurt the right does not make it so.
dpierson on July 28, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Right. There’s no reason to worry. Gibbs is not the WH Press Secretary. Obama is not the President. Everything will be fine. It is definitely not about you. Carry on.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 8:02 PM
We know.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Okay, so I should drop it because Robert Gibbs is being a dick about it? Are you familiar with Robert Gibbs?
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Yeah, and of the ones I mentioned, which ones would Obama pick for you? And you use all avenues, even if you know you’re going to lose much more than you gain on some of them? Remind me not to follow you into battle.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Why waste time and energy lamenting how others spend their time and energy?
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 8:04 PM
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