Bend it like Barack – into the red

posted at 10:55 am on July 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Economists love nothing more than curling up in front of a fireplace with a financial analysis of government policy, allowing the numbers to wash over them like a John Updike novel — or in this administration, more like a Stephen King horrorfest.  For the rest of us, though, the numbers and calculations can prove daunting.  Keith Hennessey puts the CBO’s latest killer analysis of the House health-care reform bill into graphic form, where everyone can be horrified equally.

For a baseline demonstration of the numbers, Hennessey charts the spending and taxes in the House bill, along with the expected revenue of the proposed tax increase — the “surtax” on the rich — over the next ten years:

Despite Barack Obama’s promises, the cost-saving techniques in ObamaCare only offset about a quarter of all the new spending in the plan by 2019.  The offsetting tax increase, Rangel’s surtax, will only generate $87 billion a year by that time, slightly more than half of the next spending increase — and note that revenues almost flatline while spending increases at a much higher rate.  What does that mean for the second decade?  Hennessey has a chart for that, too:

Click on the image if you need a better look at the data.  By the time we get to 2029, ObamaCare will run a $205 billion deficit in that year alone, almost as much as the CBO estimate of the program’s entire first decade.  It’s a devastating analysis of ObamaCare, one which Hennessey calls a TKO of the proposal.  These charts certainly make that case.

Be sure to read all of his analysis.  Curl up in front of a fire.  In fact, throw John Conyers’ copy on the logs, since he won’t be reading it before he votes.


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The graphs look bad, but we can count on reality being much worse.

forest on July 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

More like, “Bend over, Barack has a health plan for you.”

Daggett on July 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

But we need to pass this now. We’re in a crisis!

Doughboy on July 28, 2009 at 10:58 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

No problem, the Chinese will have crashed our economy by then anyway, reducing us to an agri-society of drifters and tenant farmers.

At least our “carbon footprint” will be reduced and the greenies might finally shut up.

Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Can I go back to 1960?

Akzed on July 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM

The offsetting tax increase, Rangel’s surtax, will only generate $87 billion a year by that time

IF their optimistic projections prove to be true.

jgapinoy on July 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM

This chart doesn’t include the cost of the huge influx of illegal aliens that will ensue once they realize that they will have free healthcare on their accelerated path to citizenship!! What’s not to like???????

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

We’ll never reach these deficits because we’ll be completely bankrupt by the end of 2012.

moonsbreath on July 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

I think they mean reform of the reformers.

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

By the time we get to 2029, ObamaCare will run a $205 billion deficit in that year alone, almost as much as the CBO estimate of the program’s entire first decade.

He has plan that will fix this that will be revealed when he is running for his 6th term.

WashJeff on July 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

This nothing but a power grab.

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Who’s got time to worry about kazillions in deficits?

Hussein’s got a beer party scheduled for this evening. I expect that will dominate the next 24 hour news cycle.

fogw on July 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Reform support is still strong, Change and Hope…not so much.

WashJeff on July 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Since the President has said he would not sign a bill that increases the long-term deficit, the bill is dead in its current form.

The President says a lot of things…

elgeneralisimo on July 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

I believe you are mistaken. When I looked at the Rasmussen article in the headlines, the data were 49-47 against. Or does this qualify as “strong support” to you? When the government runs VA care smoothly, I’ll listen to proposals for national health care. Until then, my reply is, “Government, heal thyself!”

jwolf on July 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM

B-b-b-but HE QUOTES NIEBUHR!!!

CDeb on July 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Be sure to read all of his analysis. Curl up in front of a fire. In fact, throw John Conyers’ copy on the logs, since he won’t be reading it before he votes.

Come for the analysis, stay for the snark.

;-)

bluelightbrigade on July 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Someone should create a graph that shows the estimated cost of Medicare (estimated in 1965 when it was enacted) with the actual cost. And then do the same thing with Obama’s healthcare plan comparing what he estimates and what would happen if the actual cost followed what happened with Medicare….

That graph would be too scary to put next to a fire…

RedSoxNation on July 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

It’s a devastating analysis of ObamaCare, one which Hennessey calls a TKO of the proposal.

momma says knock you out

cmsinaz on July 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

jwolf….after a week of non-stop bad news, I think 49% is strong support.

The Congress better listen to it, too.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

I’m sure that by 2029 there will be billions on new millionaires living in the US that can be taxed to clear up some of that defficit.

myrenovations on July 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

The Congress better listen to it, too.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Don’t worry, they’ll pass something.

myrenovations on July 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Daggett on July 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Kinda like this?

behiker on July 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

, where everyone can be horrified equally.

gotta love that affermative action.

SHARPTOOTH on July 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Not many people are saying no reform is needed. An unqualified “yes” answer to “reform” shouldn’t be confused with a desire to socialize health insurance.

forest on July 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

You really need to put the crack pipe down.

Just 23% Believe Health Care Costs Will Go Down if Reform Passes Congress

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 47% are in favor of the reform effort proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats while 49% are opposed. Those figures include 25% who Strongly Favor the plans and 41% who are Strongly Opposed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/healthcare/july_2009/just_23_believe_health_care_costs_will_go_down_if_reform_passes_congress

izoneguy on July 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

In fact, throw John Conyers’ copy on the logs, since he won’t be reading it before he votes.

Funny but sad. And if you haven’t heard the words from John Conyers’ mouth, please listen for yourself.

VibrioCocci on July 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.
AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Now if only we all had the chance to have some actual input on reforms, rather than having a demorat disaster shoved down our throats.

Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

The President says a lot of things…

elgeneralisimo on July 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Many of them contradictory, and they still don’t have anything to do with what he actually DOES.

Daggett on July 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Just 23% Believe Health Care Costs Will Go Down if Reform Passes Congress

The goal is universal coverage, not lower costs. The lower costs is to FUND universal coverage.

Lower costs? We can get that. But then we really will see some stricter methods on usage.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Can I go back to 1960?

Akzed on July 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM

I want to go too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2kLTj3aHFA&feature=related

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

The goal is universal coverage total government control, not lower costs. The lower costs is to FUND universal coverage socialized government-controlled health care.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

FIFY

Daggett on July 28, 2009 at 11:10 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

There’s still big support for ‘having sex,’ too, until they tell you your partner will be Rosie O’Donnell.

snickelfritz on July 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

“I noticed if you turn the chart around it looks pretty good…and that is what we are going to do, turn the country around.”
If Obama stated that, what would you bet his followers would stand up and cheer…Change, change, change.
“When you come to the end of a street, what do you do? You turn around, you don’t go driven off into the woods, you turn around and get back on the road…that’s what we are going to do, turn this country around and get it heading down the road.
Now my opponents, well they are coming to that dead end, and they pull out all their fancy gadgets, charts, videos, gps, but that fact is, they are stuck at the end of the road…we have already turned around and we are heading for better health care, better economy, better education…we don’t need help to find ourselves home, to a better home. Why we might even send back a tow truck to help them get out of their rut….blah blah blah”
Tell me I couldn’t be a writer for Obama…all you need is a bunch of silly metaphors and a cheering crowd, and a little sarcasm.

right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Not many people are saying no reform is needed. An unqualified “yes” answer to “reform” shouldn’t be confused with a desire to socialize health insurance.

I think most people want to see both…public option and private policies through employers.

The biggest issue is no more phony policies that boot people out when they use the policy and portability. Too many people have pre-existing conditions and cannot get coverage at all when they lose their jobs. And we all have seen just how vulnerable we are in that respect. So there’s got to be an option.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

This is insane. Our enemies need not fret . . . this poor sick Republic is destroying itself without a shot being fired. Thank you enlightened voters you really stuck it to us this time.

rplat on July 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I’m sure that by 2029 there will be billions on new millionaires living in the US that can be taxed to clear up some of that defficit.

myrenovations on July 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

You are correct.

Inflation will make everyone millionaires, but the cost of a loaf of bread, a gallon of milk, or a dozen eggs will cost you millions!

VibrioCocci on July 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Ann, you can’t have a public option without putting private companies out of business and bankrupting the country. It’s that simple.

a capella on July 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Intellectually Dishonest. That’s what Obama has been. Tell the old folks what’s in store for them, and I don’t mean the free prescriptions. Tell them the whole truth.

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Lower costs? We can get that. But then we really will see some stricter methods on usage.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I taunt my elderly, Democrat mother with sentences like that.

myrenovations on July 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM

There’s still big support for ‘having sex,’ too, until they tell you your partner will be Rosie O’Donnell.

There are, indeed, some very odd bills being proposed. Like the Senate finance committee one? Heck, that’s nothing but Medicare reform. It’s not healthcare reform at all.

It will hurt seniors only.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM

In fact, throw John Conyers’ copy on the logs, since he won’t be reading it before he votes.

My fave sentence of the whole thing!

search4truth on July 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Support for reform and support of the filthy liar’s scheme are two different things. The whole steaming pile of legislation needs to be thrown out and re-written. Off the table:

The public plan you are championing because we can’t afford it.

Mandatory enrollment and fines for not signing up.

highhopes on July 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

If this insurance reform is so great, why all the lying about it’s cost?

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Phooey. Nobody needs a $130 million bonus, which is what the Wellpoint CEO walked off with last year.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

The biggest issue is no more phony policies that boot people out when they use the policy and portability. Too many people have pre-existing conditions and cannot get coverage at all when they lose their jobs. And we all have seen just how vulnerable we are in that respect. So there’s got to be an option.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Keep your hands off my healthcare. I have a right to my own body and my own privacy.

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I think most people want to see both…public option and private policies through employers.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

You can become AnninMA and realize your public option dreams.

WashJeff on July 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Mandatory enrollment and fines for not signing up.

I’m for that.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I get my insurance from my employer, ALL OF IT.
Just leave me alone. If you have less, tough.

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I see the Rasmussen poll still shows strong support for reform, in spite of a bad week of news.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Nonsense. Obama cultists will continue to follow him over the cliff but thinking people will not yield to his moronic, destructive policies and plans.

rplat on July 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Obama does not care about charts going out to 2029.
All he cares about is the history books and his name attached to remaking America`s health care system. He is looking out for his name in history, he does not care about any future situations regarding any such programs or events.

Like everything else in his life, Obama has voted “present” and relies on others to project upon him smarts, coolness and wisdom. He is like a reverse of the Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale of “The Emperor´s New Clothes”, but in Obama´s case it is the people dillusionally seeing him dressed in the finest attire.

albill on July 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

It will hurt seniors only.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Obama has not been honest with the Seniors. He touts donut hole coverage, but does not say they will have reduced services and interventions.

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

If BHO’s ego could be converted to cash there would be no pesky deficit charts…

mjbrooks3 on July 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Like the Senate finance committee one? Heck, that’s nothing but Medicare reform. It’s not healthcare reform at all.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Why not limit the filthy liar to reforming the VA health system and prove what can be done before jumping into the moronic schemes you give uncritical support. In other words, what the hell is wrong with you people that you can’t see that this should be undertaken slowly and with deliberate analysis?

highhopes on July 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Keep your hands off my healthcare. I have a right to my own body and my own privacy.

There shouldn’t be any issue with that. Private insurance should still be preferable and desirable and a legitimate benefit offered to employees. I do suspect some of the crapola private plans would disappear, but they are not covering much of anything anyway.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

I don’t care about people without insurance. Help grandpa, grandma & the kids, the rest can die.

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Mandatory enrollment and fines for not signing up.

I’m for that.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Maybe you’re not right for a country based on liberty then. Try France or Canada or even China.

Daggett on July 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Obama has not been honest with the Seniors. He touts donut hole coverage, but does not say they will have reduced services and interventions.

I haven’t seen specifics, except a couple of articles. Surely AARP is following this. or No?

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM

The words “wildly optimistic” leap to mind… even with those charts.

mankai on July 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Mandatory enrollment and fines for not signing up.
I’m for that.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

So how exactly are you going to make the druggie, prostitute, and illegal sign up? And how exactly are you going to collect the fine? As Obama says, that’s stupid.

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM

I think Obama has no will to get this passed, frankly. It’s going to be like the mortgage program….a joke.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Sign up, let’em try to force me. Same as Acorn & the census. They get nothing.

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Everyone railed on Bush for “restricting liberties” and yet people in favor of this monstrosity want to willingly hand over even more far-reaching liberties. It is just amazing….

search4truth on July 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

There shouldn’t be any issue with that. Private insurance should still be preferable and desirable and a legitimate benefit offered to employees. I do suspect some of the crapola private plans would disappear, but they are not covering much of anything anyway.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Read H.R. 3200 then come back and say that again without laughing out loud.

rplat on July 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Everyone railed on Bush for “restricting liberties” and yet people in favor of this monstrosity want to willingly hand over even more far-reaching liberties. It is just amazing….

search4truth on July 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Exactly

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Wow. That $205 billion per year deficit sounds like a huge number. Oh, wait, we must add that to the other deficits. Never mind.

Vashta.Nerada on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

So how exactly are you going to make the druggie, prostitute, and illegal sign up? And how exactly are you going to collect the fine? As Obama says, that’s stupid.

I frankly assumed it would be a matter of usage. In other words, you would have to purchase it upon using services. I pictured it like auto insurance. I read where that method is having problems in MA, though, since people sign up, use it, and then drop it. So there’s got to be another way to enforce it, similar to DMV rules.

But I thought that would be the way to entice the insurers.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Cheaper health care the goal? Health care circa 1809 must have been inexpensive…

mjbrooks3 on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

“Medicare Savings”? Oh, puh-leeze.

If there are such phenomonal savings to be gained from changes in Medicare, then why haven’t the changes already been made? The government just enjoyed spending the extra tax money until just now?

And is there anybody out there who really thinks that the federal government will succeed in turning the spiraling expenditures of Medicare into savings? Name one other major program that the federal government has ever managed to spend less on than in the year before? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

As bad as the chart is, it’s still a complete fairy tale. Reality will be much, MUCH worse.

Cicero43 on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Keep your hands off my healthcare. I have a right to my own body and my own privacy.

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM

That’s a matter that is still being debated. There’s some study out there today that claims obese people cost $1400/year in additional health-related expense. Is it so unrealistic to think that this administration and Congress wouldn’t propose taxing fatties for exceeding some government standard?

highhopes on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

search4truth on July 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

+1

cmsinaz on July 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

The government wants to subsidize killing babies. What makes grandma think they aren’t coming for her next.

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

That’s a matter that is still being debated. There’s some study out there today that claims obese people cost $1400/year in additional health-related expense. Is it so unrealistic to think that this administration and Congress wouldn’t propose taxing fatties for exceeding some government standard?

So far, no.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

80% of Americans like their current plan. 10% prefer to buy big screen televisions or Wiis instead of insurance, so turn them away from emergency rooms. 10% are illegal aliens, so turn them away too. There is no health care problem.

Vashta.Nerada on July 28, 2009 at 11:22 AM

I pictured it like auto insurance.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Last time I checked the government didn’t provide its own auto insurance plan in order to keep private insurance companies honest. I wonder why that is?

Daggett on July 28, 2009 at 11:22 AM

We offer a state auto plan in CA.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

As bad as the chart is, it’s still a complete fairy tale. Reality will be much, MUCH worse.

Cicero43 on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Are you actually suggesting that a GOVERNMENT program would exceed projected costs and not realize projected savings? That just can’t be true! The government wouldn’t lie to us, would they?

highhopes on July 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

What’s to keep the government from taxing “meat eaters” or anything else they can come up with. They already lie about global warming when it’
s proven it cooling. Who will believe anything “science” comes up with next.

Jeff from WI on July 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

We offer a state auto plan in CA.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Bwhahahahahahaha…..and the CA deficit is?

Limerick on July 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Is it so unrealistic to think that this administration and Congress wouldn’t propose taxing fatties for exceeding some government standard?

highhopes on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Obama’s stupid and malevolent policies have already cost the country trillions of dollars.

Perhaps we should be taxing stupid and malevolent, too.

Daggett on July 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Bwhahahahahahaha…..and the CA deficit is?

That’s insignificant in terms of the deficit.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Ah err umm COST SAVINGS…ahh…errrr.umm.TAXES ON THE RICH…ah..errr…ummmm.ahhh CHANGE…ah..errr.ummm…

Lord help us if a real crisis comes up with obumbler team in charge.

jukin on July 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Phooey. Nobody needs a $130 million bonus, which is what the Wellpoint CEO walked off with last year.
AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Franbklin Raines walked off with about that much as CEO of government entity Fannie Mae. Are you saying government officials won’t game the system?

a capella on July 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I frankly assumed it would be a matter of usage. In other words, you would have to purchase it upon using services. I pictured it like auto insurance. I read where that method is having problems in MA, though, since people sign up, use it, and then drop it. So there’s got to be another way to enforce it, similar to DMV rules.

But I thought that would be the way to entice the insurers.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Yeah, because that works so well:
On average, 14% of drivers do not carry required insurance.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/southcentral/2003/08/18/coverstory/31628.htm

Vashta.Nerada on July 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

That’s insignificant in terms of the deficit.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Add up each “insignificant” and you get 100%.

Limerick on July 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

And how exactly are you going to collect the fine? As Obama says, that’s stupid.

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM

The Gubmint gets direct access to your bank account.
Its in the bill.

Itchee Dryback on July 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I haven’t seen specifics, except a couple of articles. Surely AARP is following this. or No?

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Yes, AARP is following this closely, as they stand to gain a huge amount of money if Obama care is passed. Obama will repeal Medicare, so the donut hole won’t matter.

bloggless on July 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

We offer a state auto plan in CA.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

And the last time I looked, your state was broke.

Let me be clear AnninCa. You’re acting stupidly again and have derailed yet another thread. Please step back from the computer and get some better talking points from your boss.

Knucklehead on July 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Is it so unrealistic to think that this administration and Congress wouldn’t propose taxing fatties for exceeding some government standard?

So far, no.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Ummmmm… soda tax and Tough love for fat people: Tax their food to pay for healthcare

WashJeff on July 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

The Gubmint gets direct access to your bank account.
Its in the bill.
Itchee Dryback on July 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Not mine; I have large safes and the means to protect them. I’ll them with cash and fall off the grid.

Unless of course the Feds require me to have an account, then all bets are off.

Bishop on July 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

There is no health care problem.

Vashta.Nerada on July 28, 2009 at 11:22 AM

YES THERE IS! The filty liar in the White House and his party are out there seeking to destroy healthcare as we know it. That’s a problem.

highhopes on July 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

The method for funding this has really confused the public, with so many different versions floating around.

The public option SHOULD be simple. Offer the plan at a price that’s affordable. Raise the taxes on the truly wealthy as a subsidy for the costs. And let people choose.

The private insurers? They can start working on those outrageous admin costs.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM

The Gubmint gets direct access to your bank account.
Its in the bill.

Itchee Dryback on July 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Which is likely to end up giving the government tha bility to perform unconstitutional acts. It makes the government able (and likely) to seize property without due process.

Daggett on July 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Yes, AARP is following this closely, as they stand to gain a huge amount of money if Obama care is passed. Obama will repeal Medicare, so the donut hole won’t matter.

How will AARP benefit?

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Ummmmm… soda tax and Tough love for fat people: Tax their food to pay for healthcare

Oh yeah, I saw something about that. Silly idea.

AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 11:29 AM

There can never be a public plan. It would wipe out every private plan. THINK will ya?

I never, as long as I live, want a bureaucrat standing between me and my doctor.

Mojave Mark on July 28, 2009 at 11:29 AM

If they put in extra fees/taxes/fines for the obese, what happens to the homosexuals who engage in very risky activities and very expensive medical bills?

Opps, I know a little more equal.

jukin on July 28, 2009 at 11:29 AM

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