Newt’s six-point health-care reform

posted at 12:55 pm on July 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama likes to accuse his critics on health-care reform of proposing nothing in opposition to ObamaCare.  Newt Gingrich and Nancy Desmond run the Center for Health Transformation and have their own response, a six-point plan to reform health care and lower costs, without spending trillions of dollars to do it.  The CHT plan offers some similarities to ObamaCare, and some key differences:

  1. Stop Paying the Crooks. First, we must dramatically reduce healthcare fraud within our current healthcare system. Outright fraud — criminal activity — accounts for as much as 10 percent of all healthcare spending. That is more than $200 billion every year. Medicare alone could account for as much as $40 billion a year. (Read about our latest CHT Press book, Stop Paying the Crooks, edited by Jim Frogue.)
  2. Move from a Paper-based to an Electronic Health System. As it stands now, it is simply impossible to keep up with fraud in a paper-based system. An electronic system would free tens of billions of dollars to be spent on investing on the kind of modern system that will transform healthcare. In addition, it would dramatically increase our ability to eliminate costly medical errors and to accelerate the adoption of new solutions and breakthroughs.
  3. Tax Reform. The savings realized through very deliberately and very systematically eliminating fraud could be used to provide tax incentives and vouchers that would help cover those Americans who currently can’t afford coverage. In addition, we need to expand tax incentives for insurance provided by small employers and the self-employed. Finally, elimination of capital gains taxes for investments in health-solution companies can greatly impact the creation advancement of new solutions that create better health at lower cost.
  4. Create a Health-Based Health System. In essence, we must create a system that focuses on improving individual health. The best way to accomplish this is to find out what solutions are actually working today that save lives and save money and then design public policy to encourage their widespread adoption. For example, according to the Dartmouth Health Atlas, if the 6,000 hospitals in the country provided the same standard of care of the Intermountain or Mayo health clinics, Medicare alone would save 30 percent of total spending every year. We need to make best practices the minimum practice. We need the federal government and other healthcare stakeholders to consistently migrate to best practices that ensure quality, safety and better outcomes.
  5. Reform Our Health Justice System. Currently, the U.S. civil justice system is the most expensive in the world — about double the average cost in virtually every other industrialized nation. But for all of the money spent, our civil justice system neither effectively compensates persons injured from medical negligence nor encourages the elimination of medical errors. Because physicians fear malpractice suits, defensive medicine (redundant, wasteful treatment designed to avoid lawsuits, not treat the patient) has become pervasive. CHT is developing a number of bold health-justice reforms including a “safe harbor” for physicians who followed clinical best practices in the treatment of a patient. Visit CHT’s Health Justice project page to learn more.
  6. Invest in Scientific Research and Breakthroughs. We must accelerate and focus national efforts, re-engineer care delivery, and ultimately prevent diseases such as Alzheimer’s Disease and diabetes which are financially crippling our healthcare system.

Be sure to read it all, but there are a couple of points worth mentioning in this plan.  First, the “safe harbor” provision sounds as though it will take a different approach than Obama’s IMAC in imposing a best-practices policy on the health-care industry in theory, but in practice it amounts to the same thing.  It proposes an Advisory Panel that will create a standard approach to diagnosis and treatment that doctors will have to follow in order to avoid massive penalties; in ObamaCare, it would be suspension of payment, and in CHT, it would be liability to malpractice suits.  Either approach will mean that doctors have to hearken to a small cadre of elites in Washington on individual treatment of patients, a system which assumes that a one-size-fits-all treatment model would work for everyone.  If the specifics of your individual condition mean that approach won’t work, you will need to find a doctor willing to forego payment or assume a big liability risk. It would be better to pursue an overall tort reform that allows people to gain compensation for real losses while eliminating the out-of-control punitive awards that create the defensive approach that wastes so much money in American health care.

That also applies to having the federal government lead the best-practices effort.  It makes it a very small step from a “best practices” advisory group to a federal agency that imposes those decisions on providers.  Call me a skeptic, but the federal government is hardly a model for best practices anyway.  That effort belongs in the free market, which could be incentivized by tax policy.

The emphasis on electronic records as a reform seems exaggerated.  Many providers have long since gone to electronic record-keeping, especially for billing, which is what CHT proposes.  If that has resulted in massive reductions in fraud, we have seen little evidence of it.  It’s not a bad goal to pursue for efficiency, but even then the prospects for significant savings — in relation to the overall costs borne in the health-care system — seem pretty small.

Newt says that Alzheimers and diabetes are crippling our health-care system, which is not quite accurate.  It’s crippling government programs, certainly, and costing a fortune for families.  Aging, however, is the biggest cost driver for Medicare/Medicaid, which is why Alzheimers has become such a problem; the population has skewed older with the baby boomers, and we’re seeing higher rates for both diseases because of the population distribution (for diabetes, only in part).  As people get older, they require more medical care, and so this should not be a big surprise.  We already spend billions of dollars in federal research on a wide range of diseases, notably cardiology, as heart disease is still the biggest cause of death in America. Wiser spending and a better sense of discretion might do better here.

The CHT proposal is very intriguing, and Republicans could incorporate much of it into their own health-care reform offerings.  Some of this seems a little too close to ObamaCare for comfort.

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Newt’s alway late to the party, with the supposed right answers. Something about this guy is just weird.

JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM

If he’s sitting on a couch with the Crypt Keeper when he pitches it, I’m out.

Darksean on July 27, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Some of this seems a little too close to ObamaCare for comfort.

Well, someone posted on here last week that Newt tweeted some high praise for Obama on something…can’t remember what, though. Anyways, this is the same guy who sat on a couch with Botox face.

SouthernGent on July 27, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I don’t take any health-care proposal seriously that tells hospitals what they can and can not do.

Apparently Newt and Obama don’t differ in principle, but only in degree.

doodleduh on July 27, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Newt says that Alzheimers and diabetes are crippling our health-care system, which is not quite accurate. It’s crippling government programs, certainly, and costing a fortune for families. Aging, however, is the biggest cost driver for Medicare/Medicaid, which is why Alzheimers has become such a problem; the population has skewed older with the baby boomers, and we’re seeing higher rates for both diseases because of the population distribution (for diabetes, only in part). As people get older, they require more medical care, and so this should not be a big surprise. We already spend billions of dollars in federal research on a wide range of diseases, notably cardiology, as heart disease is still the biggest cause of death in America. Wiser spending and a better sense of discretion might do better here.

Sure… aging would seem to correlate well with Alzheimer, but the potential cures for aging probably don’t win elections…

Upstater85 on July 27, 2009 at 1:03 PM

1 & 2 are impossible to quantify – maybe that’s why they are so popular
3,4,5,6 have merit

gatorboy on July 27, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Ask any doc who has tried to implement an electronic medical record. It’s a tremendous time consuming process that reduces productivity and patient visits, increases expense for equipment, licensing and IT support and is in general a pain in the arse.

BrianA on July 27, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I like a few of his points, but I have issues.

Number 1 is good. We need to cut down on fraud in every government program.

Number 2 I have a serious issue with. I would hope that (a) only the right people have access to those records and (b) since it’s electronic, it had better be backed up and secured.

Number 3 I also have an issue with. It could easily be fixed in a much better and simpler way by giving all the tax incentives to the individual rather than the companies.

Number 4 I have minor issues with. We should be the best healthcare system in the world, but what if some people prefer alternative methods of medicine which are often looked down upon by the mainstream medical community? My mother being a prime example of how alternative medicine can greatly improve one’s life.

Number 5 is tort reform. Absolutely critical.

Number 6 is something I’m divided on. Research into finding new treatments and/or cures to Alzhiemer’s, diabetes, and other chronic diseases is a good thing. Money would help on that front, but I’m not sure if I’d want government more involved in research than it already is.

Chaz706 on July 27, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I like John Steele Gordon’s six suggestions at Commentary a lot better:

Gore One Ox At A Time

My condensation:

1) Fix the fee-for-service structure of compensation for hospitals and doctors.
2) Fix the malpractice system.
3) Immunize drug companies from lawsuits if the drug companies have met all FDA requirements (and no fraud is involved, of course).
4) Federalize insurance regulation.
5) Eliminate the deductibility of health-insurance costs for companies and provide tax credits for individuals to buy insurance instead.
6) Incentivize people to watch costs.

It’s really worth a read.

Missy on July 27, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Newt’s gone wonky.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Apparently Newt and Obama don’t differ in principle, but only in degree.

doodleduh on July 27, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Beat me to it. This is just another big government plan. Nice try Newt, but no dice.

UltimateBob on July 27, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Newt doesn’t want smaller government, just more efficient government. Given their misplaced priorities, I don’t know that I want the government more efficient, either.

BTW, based on personal experience, electronic medical records are not some panacea. Two computer systems down during visits this year alone, so the doctor has no data to look at, including medical allergies? I don’t call that progress.

Vashta.Nerada on July 27, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Newt’s right about Item 5, and you can’t get Obama or any Democrat in Congress to even respond to a question about tort reform–at gunpoint. I’ll never understand the stranglehold that the plaintiffs’ lawyers have on the Democratic party. And I’ll never understand why business and the medical professions have gone to Congress and insisted that enough is enough.

BuckeyeSam on July 27, 2009 at 1:06 PM

The CHT proposal is very intriguing, and Republicans could incorporate much of it into their own health-care reform offerings. Some of this seems a little too close to ObamaCare for comfort.

Still, didn’t the filthy liar claim that he would take good ideas from whereever they came from because he is more interested in reforming healthcare than getting credit for it?

I’m not a fan of some of Newt’s ideas. The thought of government having electronic access to everybody’s health records should scare even those with just a passing concern about privacy. Who is to say that at some point in the future the government decides to ban donuts in St. Louis because of obesity rates or declare Miami a trans fat-free zone? What’s to say that you won’t open up your e-mail to find a government mandated diet for your diabetes and directions to the gym you need to check in at if you want to keep your state-run medical plan?

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I love these new and improved ideas:

Do what works.
You think people are currently doing what doesn’t work???

Cut fraud.
If you can’t cut fraud in medicare now, just think of the opportunties for the energetic crook you are creating with nationalized healthcare. LOL

Computerized.
Sorry, but I don’t want my medical records being accessed from by any hacker or the federal government.

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:09 PM

First, the “safe harbor” provision sounds as though it will take a different approach than Obama’s IMAC in imposing a best-practices policy on the health-care industry in theory, but in practice it amounts to the same thing. It proposes an Advisory Panel that will create a standard approach to diagnosis and treatment that doctors will have to follow in order to avoid massive penalties; in ObamaCare, it would be suspension of payment, and in CHT, it would be liability to malpractice suits. Either approach will mean that doctors have to hearken to a small cadre of elites in Washington on individual treatment of patients, a system which assumes that a one-size-fits-all treatment model would work for everyone. If the specifics of your individual condition mean that approach won’t work, you will need to find a doctor willing to forego payment or assume a big liability risk.

There is a happy medium that will be closer to the Gingrich approach here. We can start with practices of the specialties that have the highest malpractice premiums due to the high litigation rates: neurosurgery, anesthesia, OB/GYN. For example, almost anytime something goes wrong during surgery, the anesthesiologist gets sued, along with the surgeon and the hospital. Anesthesia practices are pretty standard stuff. If all anesthesiologists got a safe harbor in return for following fairly simple practice standards, their malpractice premiums would drop substantially, and they could lower their costs to consumers, which are considerable. Actual malpractice by an anesthesiologist is extremely rare, yet lawsuits against them are very common and drive up the cost of surgery.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Other than Newt’s glaring omission of the cost of caring for illegal aliens he’s right.

DFCtomm on July 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM

The laws should also be changed to allow patients to waive litigation, especially on routine procedures. Doctors could be required to pay a minimal amount each year into a compensation fund for errors in such cases.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:11 PM

How about the feds get out of our healthcare altogether. I don’t read anything in our Constitution where they have the authority to provide helathcare.

Let me take care of myself!

davidk on July 27, 2009 at 1:11 PM

This proposal sounds statists in mindset to me (though I did not tunnel into the link).

1. Stop Paying the Crooks: Capitalism is the besst way to combat this. The more money is concetrated in fewer hands, the more likely fraud, or last more massive fraud, will occur.

2. Move from a Paper-based to an Electronic Health System. Working with insurance companies in perform collision repair. Things are very electronic nowadays. No governmetn mandate was required.

3. Tax Reform. D’uh.

4. Create a Health-Based Health System. Again capitalism would produce these results if people were exposed to the daily costs od their own health care.

5. Reform Our Health Justice System. Seems like tort reform needs to happen state by state. Are lawsuits occuring in federal courts?

6. Invest in Scientific Research and Breakthroughs. I am not aware what provision in the consitution allows this accept the part about securing patents. We can, and should, guarantee a period of time (10 years?) after the product hits the market where the company\researcher can get RICH from their product\service via patent protection.

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM

That’s not a great plan, Newt.

The BIGGEST thing that we need to do is move from an employer-based insurance system to INDIVIDUAL-based. There will be a lot of inefficiencies and waste when you have a 3rd party determining your own health care insurance.

There is no easy way to do this, but the first steps are to remove the tax benefits of employer-provided health care and increase the ease and access to HSAs. We need to get off this 3rd party-provided health care system. Employers should be giving us the money for us to choose whatever health care insurance we want, then if we choose a cheap, more individualized plan, we can pocket that money.

“Nobody spends somebody else’s money as wisely as he spends his own.” -Milton Friedman

For more on this, and the BEST health care solution, read Friedman’s paper in 2001: http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3459466.html

iamse7en on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I wonder if Palin has any solutions or insight into this…

Upstater85 on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Here’s an idea: How about we back off and let the guys who trained in medicine for 7+ years decide how hospitals should work?

doodleduh on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM

# 7. Kick out the 20 million illegals that our raising insurance costs and burdening the taxpayer.

darwin on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM

# 7. Kick out the 20 million illegals that our raising insurance costs and burdening the taxpayer.

Or, privatize health care so you won’t have to pay for anyone’s care except your own.

doodleduh on July 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM

1 & 2 are impossible to quantify – maybe that’s why they are so popular
3,4,5,6 have merit

gatorboy on July 27, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I personally believe in the merits of investigating fraud and criminal activity even if it’s a small net loss.

DFCtomm on July 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I’m not a fan of some of Newt’s ideas. The thought of government having electronic access to everybody’s health records should scare even those with just a passing concern about privacy. Who is to say that at some point in the future the government decides to ban donuts in St. Louis because of obesity rates or declare Miami a trans fat-free zone? What’s to say that you won’t open up your e-mail to find a government mandated diet for your diabetes and directions to the gym you need to check in at if you want to keep your state-run medical plan?

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Come on. Amazon.com keeps electronic records of all your purchases, as do nearly all retailers. Your credit card company keeps all kinds of electronic records on you. Yet, if you move to another city and have to find new doctors, those doctors have to go to hell and back to get your records from your previous doctors. In an emergency, if you are unable to speak and nobody with you knows your history, the ER doctors might kill you by giving you medicine you are allergic to or which conflict with other meds you are taking. This is what electronic records will eliminate.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

3) Immunize drug companies from lawsuits if the drug companies have met all FDA requirements (and no fraud is involved, of course).

A-frickin-men.

No one is mentioning this, with all the supposed fraud out there with regards to trial data, where is the FDA in terms of locking this crap down? Reward the drug companies who play by the rules, engage in good scientific research, and present their submitted products to the FDA in good faith.

BTW, based on personal experience, electronic medical records are not some panacea. Two computer systems down during visits this year alone, so the doctor has no data to look at, including medical allergies? I don’t call that progress.

Exactly. To many doctors, nothing beats being able to look at a chart in his or her’s own handwriting. Beats any electronic record to hell.

TheMightyMonarch on July 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Come on. Amazon.com keeps electronic records of all your purchases, as do nearly all retailers. Your credit card company keeps all kinds of electronic records on you. Yet, if you move to another city and have to find new doctors, those doctors have to go to hell and back to get your records from your previous doctors. In an emergency, if you are unable to speak and nobody with you knows your history, the ER doctors might kill you by giving you medicine you are allergic to or which conflict with other meds you are taking. This is what electronic records will eliminate.

So the government should force doctors to modify how they do health care?

Isn’t that EXACTLY what Obama advocates?

doodleduh on July 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Good Start Newt:

Here are some more.

1. Allow health cooperatives like Altrua Healthshare . They can cover people for a fraction of what insurance companies charge because they can keep people with high rish lifestyles out.
2. Teach family/home nursing in the high schools so people don’t feel like they need to run to the doctor for every trivial problem.
3. Have ememgency rooms perform a triage and treat only true emergencies. All others will be refered to a local walkin clinic. The will also be given a voucher. Emergency rooms are the most expensive delivery system around. All people would receive faster treatment.
4. Deal with the illegal immigration issue. They are a major cost on the system.
5. Like Newt says; we must have malpractice reform. 20% of the nations health care bill is in malpractice insurance premiums. Another 20% is in defensive medicine (doctors ording tests only because he may need them as evidence in case there is a law suit.) We also need loser pays. Juries on malpractice cases need to be medical professionals.
6. Medical savings accounts would help.
7. Increase the supply of medical professionals. The AMA limits the number of doctors to keep demand up. They do this my limiting the number of people who are admitted to medical school. Many people get washed out in classes that have nothing to do with medicine.

We can solve this problem if we want to.
Liberals don’t want to solve the problem. They want the problem because they want single payer where the government will own each of us.

The Rock on July 27, 2009 at 1:17 PM

No one is mentioning this, with all the supposed fraud out there with regards to trial data, where is the FDA in terms of locking this crap down? Reward the drug companies who play by the rules, engage in good scientific research, and present their submitted products to the FDA in good faith.

Better solution: Get rid of the FDA and establish a system of objective law.

doodleduh on July 27, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Ahem.

7. Reform the FDA. It is freakin’ ridiculous that new treatments have such incredible barriers to entry — it costs millions and takes years to put a drug on the market. If a drug is developed for a condition has only 1,000 sufferers, then it just has to cost them several thousand dollars apiece for compliance costs alone — not to mention R&D, product costs, or any profit.

cthulhu on July 27, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Here’s another example of where electronic records could help – nurses in hospitals work shifts. Doctors come in infrequently. If they could use handheld computers to update your chart then the next shift will be able to see what was done – or not done – and this can drastically cut down on medical errors.

My family doctor is moving to electronic records and I am happy. On my last physical, he recorded everything on a laptop. This cuts down on transcription errors by doctors as well. It is simply bringing medical care into the 21st century.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Newt’s alway late to the party, with the supposed right answers. Something about this guy is just weird.

JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM

This proposal sounds statists in mindset to me

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I don’t trust Newt any longer. I think he’s just as big government as some of the Libs. He’s a smart guy, to be sure, but I’ve become wary of “smart” guys lately.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:19 PM

# 7. Kick out the 20 million illegals that our raising insurance costs and burdening the taxpayer.

darwin on July 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I’ve told this story before, but worth repeating:

In 1992, I had a terrible accident. I was near death for a couple of weeks, in intensive care after trauma surgery. Then I spent several weeks in a semi-private room with lots of care.

After my discharge, I saw the EOB from my insurance company. My care cost north of $250,000.

The guy next to me in the semi-private room was an illegal from the Dominican Republic. Upon receiving a diagnosis of AIDS at home, he hopped a one-way flight to NYC, made an asylum claim based upon some BS and was released with a promise to show up for a hearing.

He took a taxi directly to the emergency room.

He had been in that semi-private room for a month before I got there. The care he was receiving seemed to be much more intensive than mine.

A nurse told me he would probably be in there another 2 or 3 months before dying.

So, my guess is his care probably cost well over a million dollars.

On your tab, chumps.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:20 PM

JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Somewhere along the line, it seems that he stopped being a leader and started being a follower.

eforhan on July 27, 2009 at 1:21 PM

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:19 PM

agree with you there….

cmsinaz on July 27, 2009 at 1:21 PM

My family doctor is moving to electronic records and I am happy. On my last physical, he recorded everything on a laptop. This cuts down on transcription errors by doctors as well. It is simply bringing medical care into the 21st century.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM

There is a big difference between your doctor having electronic records and the national database that the DC crowd is wanting. Be sure you make the difference when you talk about this subject.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Nuck Fewt

redrock on July 27, 2009 at 1:22 PM

I don’t trust Newt any longer. I think he’s just as big government as some of the Libs. He’s a smart guy, to be sure, but I’ve become wary of “smart” guys lately.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:19 PM

He “jumped the shark” with his global warming support.

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Somewhere along the line, it seems that he stopped being a leader and started being a follower.

eforhan on July 27, 2009 at 1:21 PM

A bit OT, but I always see the media claim that shutting down the Fed govt caused Newt’s downfall.

I don’t see it that way: Reagan shut down govt once, too and people cheered.

I think Newt cratered over his Air Force One tantrum and his shameful personal life.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Socialist-lite beltway hacks.

Rae on July 27, 2009 at 1:25 PM

There is a big difference between your doctor having electronic records and the national database that the DC crowd is wanting. Be sure you make the difference when you talk about this subject.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:21 PM

That national database will also have the responses your kids give to their pediatricians to questions like, “Do your parents smoke at home?” and “Does your daddy have guns at home?”

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Here’s another example of where electronic records could help – nurses in hospitals work shifts. Doctors come in infrequently. If they could use handheld computers to update your chart then the next shift will be able to see what was done – or not done – and this can drastically cut down on medical errors.

My family doctor is moving to electronic records and I am happy. On my last physical, he recorded everything on a laptop. This cuts down on transcription errors by doctors as well. It is simply bringing medical care into the 21st century.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM

They’ve been doing that forever. It’s nothing new. What they want to do is put all the records on computer — not use them to create paper records. And one of the reasons they want them all computerized is so they have easy access to them in a nationalized healthcare system. Again, I don’t want some schmuck I have not authorized looking at my medical records.

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Or, privatize health care so you won’t have to pay for anyone’s care except your own. doodleduh on July 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM

We already pay for indigent care with our taxes.

SC.Charlie on July 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

“Does your daddy have guns at home?”

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Answer….”No, he’s got it with him in the waiting room.”

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

change it back to healthcare INSURANCE, and get away from the healthcare PAYMENT PLAN

high-deductable catastrophic plans. If you have a cold, for, over $80 for the office visit and $20 for the meds – this isn’t something that ‘insurance’ should be paying for to start with.

When was the last time you filed a claim with your auto insurance when you filled up your gas, or changed your oil?

gatorboy on July 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

When it comes to comparing Newt Gingrich and Barack Obama, Obama doesn’t even hold a candle to Newt’s intellect and political savvy.

bluelightbrigade on July 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM

If they could use handheld computers to update your chart then the next shift will be able to see what was done – or not done – and this can drastically cut down on medical errors.

That’s right. Because unlike notes entered into charts, notes entered into a computer contain no errors — evah! LOL

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM

We already pay for indigent care with our taxes.

SC.Charlie on July 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Correction: we pay for them in increased costs for our own care (see my anecdote above: the reason my insurance company paid $15 every time I got a Tylenol was because of the illegal in the bed next to me.)

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Come on. Amazon.com keeps electronic records of all your purchases, as do nearly all retailers. Your credit card company keeps all kinds of electronic records on you.
rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

You’re forgetting one important point. Amazon is a private company, run by experienced businessmen. Our Government can’t run squat.

Knucklehead on July 27, 2009 at 1:29 PM

That’s right. Because unlike notes entered into charts, notes entered into a computer contain no errors — evah! LOL

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM

And can’t be altered, of course.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM

gatorboy on July 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Good points.

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM

And can’t be altered, of course.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM

And all those bimbos who work in hospitals in LA and illegally access the private records of the famous — now bimbos in hospitals every where can do the same thing. LOL

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:19 PM

He “jumped the shark” with his global warming support.

+1000

Mutnodjmet on July 27, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Here;s my plan.

Federal Government requires all companies offering health insurance to federal employees, to also offer insurance at the same rate to any citizen.

The program will be administered by each state which may tack a 2% administrative fee to the insurance rate. The state may contract out the administration or provide it themselves.

The rates will be the same as the insurance company charges federal employees in that state.

Individual, families, and businesses can buy insurance through the state agency.

huckleberryfriend on July 27, 2009 at 1:33 PM

He “jumped the shark” with his global warming support.

WashJeff on July 27, 2009

He’s looking for exciting new ways to jump the same shark.

SKYFOX on July 27, 2009 at 1:33 PM

change it back to healthcare INSURANCE, and get away from the healthcare PAYMENT PLAN

high-deductable catastrophic plans. If you have a cold, for, over $80 for the office visit and $20 for the meds – this isn’t something that ‘insurance’ should be paying for to start with.

When was the last time you filed a claim with your auto insurance when you filled up your gas, or changed your oil?

gatorboy on July 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Yep, in the bygone days, we had “major medical” – catastrophic care insurance. And we paid our own way at the doctor’s office.

But then unions, doctors and busybodies came up with this myth that regular preventive care and screening would improve our health, so we should all have low-deductible, low-co-pay plans. Utilization went through the roof.

My ex-employer and I together paid about $18,000 per year for a bells-and-whistles plan.

Now that I am self-employed, my wife and I pay about $5,000 for a high-deductible plan with an HSA.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Republicans do share plans but they aren’t given the light of day so the news can say…stop griping and get a plan.

Maybe, they should take an ad out in the new york times.

tomas on July 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM

In an emergency, if you are unable to speak and nobody with you knows your history, the ER doctors might kill you by giving you medicine you are allergic to or which conflict with other meds you are taking. This is what electronic records will eliminate.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

For the few in which that situation may apply, they should wear an medi-alert bracelet. If not, there is always an antidote. Seriously, it’s not a big deal if you have an allergic reaction in an ER. They just treat the reaction.

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Come on. Amazon.com keeps electronic records of all your purchases, as do nearly all retailers. Your credit card company keeps all kinds of electronic records on you. Yet, if you move to another city and have to find new doctors, those doctors have to go to hell and back to get your records from your previous doctors. In an emergency, if you are unable to speak and nobody with you knows your history, the ER doctors might kill you by giving you medicine you are allergic to or which conflict with other meds you are taking. This is what electronic records will eliminate.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

All that sounds perfect but the bottom line is that everybody’s electronic health records with mandatory enrollment is far too much information to entrust to the government. It would only be a matter of time before the IRS is cross-linking the data to find out who they need to fine, or some other function that has nothing to do with the inconvenience of getting established with a new doctor.

Information is power and can be abused. Let’s not forget the way Joe the Plumbers legal records were illegally accessed by Obama supporters. What’s to keep that from happening again with centralized health records? What’s to keep the government from taking your census data and appending to it your health data? These are legitimate concerns.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM

they should wear an medi-alert bracelet.

Darn right! I want the gubbimint to pay for my medi-alert bracelet.

Or better yet, have the gubbimint tattoo the info on my chest, right next to my re-education camp barcode.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:33 PM

And all this preventative care that they are talking about as if it is some big miracle — all it means is that you are going to get a whole lot of lectures, brochures, and maybe classes on health. I though I was done with that crap in high school.

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM

For the few in which that situation may apply, they should wear an medi-alert bracelet. If not, there is always an antidote. Seriously, it’s not a big deal if you have an allergic reaction in an ER. They just treat the reaction.

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM

True. This thinking is what gives us the nanny state trying to eliminate all personal responsibilities and give our own protection to the government.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM

And all this preventative care that they are talking about as if it is some big miracle — all it means is that you are going to get a whole lot of lectures, brochures, and maybe classes on health. I though I was done with that crap in high school.

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Of course, what actually happened was the switch to low-deductible plans caused such an explosion in runny-noses utilization that the doctor who would have spent 45 minutes with you in the old days now spends 10 minutes.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I was minding my own business. My employer pays for my health insurance.I like the plan. Leave me alone.

Jeff from WI on July 27, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I stopped reading at “Electronic Health System”. If Republicans cannot understand basic PRIVACY… they’re no different than their counterparts. They’re Democrat-Lite at that point, not standing on the principles of Liberty (Freedom of the Individual), but rather embracing the same collectivist mindset of the Democrats in power, that the ENDS SHOULD JUSTIFY THE MEANS.

I will never support or cooperate in a plan that puts my private medical records in the hands of bureaucrats.

Murf76 on July 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM

In an emergency, if you are unable to speak and nobody with you knows your history, the ER doctors might kill you by giving you medicine you are allergic to or which conflict with other meds you are taking. This is what electronic records will eliminate.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I have seen the opposite twice this year – fortunately, it was not an emergency, so we could recreate the allergy template on paper on the spot, bypassing the downed computer system.

Vashta.Nerada on July 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM

You’re forgetting one important point. Amazon is a private company, run by experienced businessmen. Our Government can’t run squat.

Knucklehead on July 27, 2009 at 1:29 PM

I can just see it now:

The government database diagnostician:

People who have had tennis elbow have also suffered from….

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I was minding my own business.

You sound like one of those far-right domestic terrorists.

I bet you even have one of those pocket-edition Constitutions.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Of course, what actually happened was the switch to low-deductible plans caused such an explosion in runny-noses utilization that the doctor who would have spent 45 minutes with you in the old days now spends 10 minutes.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Did you notice the report the the swine flu is more dangerous to kids. I think this is because of all the parents who took their kids to the emergency room/clinic with runny noses and got antibiotics. Their immune systems never got a chance to develop. I think this will cause healthcare for the younger generation to increase as a result.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Or better yet, have the gubbimint tattoo the info on my chest, right next to my re-education camp barcode.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Mandatory microchipping.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Apparently Newt and Obama don’t differ in principle, but only in degree.

doodleduh on July 27, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Newt is being a chameleon.

He is on the inner circle pushing us toward global governance. Hey, we fell for this with Bush, Newt. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice…..

PrincipledPilgrim on July 27, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Well, it’s nice to see some specific proposals from the GOP.

I would add one of my own: Get the overall economy humming again with tax cuts, sensible monetary policy, incentives for investment, etc.

When people have jobs and are prospering, they can more easily afford insurance and health care.

jazz_piano on July 27, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Newt is just another grey-haired fascistic statist. Flush the turd already.

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 1:49 PM

When people have jobs and are prospering, they can more easily afford insurance and health care.

jazz_piano on July 27, 2009 at 1:47 PM

You sooooo totally miss the point. When people don’t have jobs and are destitute, they can more easily be seduced by promises of big-government benefits.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:52 PM

When people have jobs and are prospering, they can more easily afford insurance and health care.

jazz_piano on July 27, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Yea, like when we were booming a couple of years back and the healthcare system was just like it was today? If people can’t go out and buy insurance on their own (pre-existing condition limitations make it tough) and their employer doesn’t provide it, there’s not a lot that can be done,

jonknee on July 27, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Come on. Amazon.com keeps electronic records of all your purchases, as do nearly all retailers. Your credit card company keeps all kinds of electronic records on you. Yet, if you move to another city and have to find new doctors, those doctors have to go to hell and back to get your records from your previous doctors. In an emergency, if you are unable to speak and nobody with you knows your history, the ER doctors might kill you by giving you medicine you are allergic to or which conflict with other meds you are taking. This is what electronic records will eliminate.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

We have a CHOICE as to whether we’ll shop at Amazon or utilize a credit card. Unless we’re willing to DIE for the principle of privacy, we have no choice but to seek medical care when necessary.

I personally doubt that “electronic records” would result in savings anyway. What’s cheaper, a “bic pen” and a ream of paper or an army of data entry and computer security techs? Further, this data is only as fool-proof as the people who enter it into the system.

Just this year I received a phone call and then a year-old medical bill in the mail because my orthopedist had my address wrong. Now, I’m not the one who wrote it down wrong. I know where I live. Nope. Some administrative lackey entered it into their billing system incorrectly. So… let’s imagine a little mistake like that going nationwide for just a minute and see if the blood doesn’t curdle.

We’re supposed to believe that medical mistakes will be avoided by electronic records, but what do we do when the records themselves are subject to human error?

The ONLY reason that I can see for creating a national database is to eventually set cookie-cutter standards for medical treatment.

Murf76 on July 27, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Just this year I received a phone call and then a year-old medical bill in the mail because my orthopedist had my address wrong. Now, I’m not the one who wrote it down wrong. I know where I live. Nope. Some administrative lackey entered it into their billing system incorrectly. So… let’s imagine a little mistake like that going nationwide for just a minute and see if the blood doesn’t curdle.

We’re supposed to believe that medical mistakes will be avoided by electronic records, but what do we do when the records themselves are subject to human error?

The ONLY reason that I can see for creating a national database is to eventually set cookie-cutter standards for medical treatment.

Murf76 on July 27, 2009 at 1:56 PM

With a national electronic records system your scenario wouldn’t have happened because your address would be kept in one place and easy to verify its authenticity. You’d also be able to change it so you wouldn’t have to let all your doctors know when you move.

Pens are cheap, storing and transporting around all the paper that they write on is the expensive part.

jonknee on July 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM

doodleduh has it right.

Gingrich has conceded the basic false premise that it’s the Feds job to ‘design’ the health care portion of the economy.

It is NOT appropriate for the Federal Government to make any efforts whatsoever to make health care affordable for those who lack coverage, nor to provide a “safety net.”

We are NOT our brother’s keeper. The free market will create the lowest possible price for health care products and services, as it does for every other good. But freedom is the only right we have in this area, the freedom to seek medical care and the freedom of some to provide it.

The Feds should help every American by simply GETTING OUT OF THE WAY.

JDPerren on July 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM

doodleduh has it right.

Gingrich has conceded the basic false premise that it’s the Feds job to ‘design’ the health care portion of the economy.

Never let the Constitution stand in the way of “free” goodies for the sheep.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 2:05 PM

With a national electronic records system your scenario wouldn’t have happened because your address would be kept in one place and easy to verify its authenticity. You’d also be able to change it so you wouldn’t have to let all your doctors know when you move.

Pens are cheap, storing and transporting around all the paper that they write on is the expensive part.

jonknee on July 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM

The hell with that. Look, doctors aren’t some government program now. They run a business….period. No better or worse than your local plumber. What makes this a national issue except for medicare. Get the government out of it and let them run their businesses.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 2:05 PM

The hell with that. Look, doctors aren’t some government program now. They run a business….period. No better or worse than your local plumber. What makes this a national issue except for medicare. Get the government out of it and let them run their businesses.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 2:05 PM

The doctors I know all love electronic records. They are getting grants from the Feds to do it too. What doctor wouldn’t like to be able to more accurately and cheaply store patient records? Better care and less overhead.

jonknee on July 27, 2009 at 2:07 PM

[Newt's plan] proposes an Advisory Panel that will create a standard approach to diagnosis and treatment that doctors will have to follow in order to avoid massive penalties; in ObamaCare, it would be suspension of payment, and in CHT, it would be liability to malpractice suits. Either approach will mean that doctors have to hearken to a small cadre of elites in Washington on individual treatment of patients, a system which assumes that a one-size-fits-all treatment model would work for everyone.

The summary in the post doesn’t say that, necssarily. I haven’t read the real plan, but if they are using a standard for treatment that offers positive guidance (make sure you do this, this and this or you don’t get paid) rather than negative guidance (if you do this then you don’t get paid), then it could be much better and wouldn’t prevent doctors from doing things that they think needs to be done.

DaveS on July 27, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Has anyone seen Newt’s birth certificate/

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but seriously, this guy is a tool that’s always a day late and a dollar short.

omnipotent on July 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM

First impression: “Argh, this is just Obama-care light!”

Count to 10 on July 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM

My Obama-inspired Plan:

Imagine a place wherein the following conditions prevailed… the workers were provided (free of charge)…

1. Housing
2. Food
3. Clothing
4. Health Care
5. Jobs (with no forced retirement)

The only rules for the workers would be…

1. They can’t own guns
2. A central power would decide what medical treatments are warranted and for whom
3. They can’t switch health care providers
4. If you leave the system, you are subject to prison

Of course, if the system is going to function, the workers must produce at a rate outlined by the central planners. Failure to produce for the benefit of the system at large will result in severe penalties… after all the system is greater than the individual… in fact, the concept of the individual must go.

They used to call this a “plantation” and it apparently worked well for at least one class of people in the system.

mankai on July 27, 2009 at 2:11 PM

The doctors I know all love electronic records. They are getting grants from the Feds to do it too. What doctor wouldn’t like to be able to more accurately and cheaply store patient records? Better care and less overhead.

jonknee on July 27, 2009 at 2:07 PM

I have no problems with electronic records in a doctor’s office. I have computers here, obviously. What I don’t want is a national database that too many people can look at. The doctor/patient relationship has to be maintained.

genso on July 27, 2009 at 2:11 PM

I think we’re all clear the government has no authority or ability to fix the healthcare system, so why do we think they have the authority or ability to make all records electronic?

Isn’t this the same government who couldn’t before 9/11 and still can’t get the CIA and FBI databases to communicate with one another? And Newt thinks it’ll work with healthcare?

Go back to Nan and the couch, brother.

macummings on July 27, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Yea, like when we were booming a couple of years back and the healthcare system was just like it was today? If people can’t go out and buy insurance on their own (pre-existing condition limitations make it tough) and their employer doesn’t provide it, there’s not a lot that can be done,

jonknee on July 27, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I mentioned my idea as an additional proposal, not as sufficient in itself.

I know all about paying for insurance out of pocket; our premiums are over $500/month.

Pre-existing conditions are tough. If you can wait until you’re sick to buy insurance, who would buy it? So they want to force everyone to be covered. Tough issue.

jazz_piano on July 27, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Newt lost me when he got together with Hillary (Hillary!) to “tackle health care” a couple of years ago. That’s like getting together with Hitler to “tackle the Jewish question.”

mankai on July 27, 2009 at 2:12 PM

With a national electronic records system your scenario wouldn’t have happened because your address would be kept in one place and easy to verify its authenticity. You’d also be able to change it so you wouldn’t have to let all your doctors know when you move.

jonknee on July 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Nope. My accountant entered my SS# wrong on my tax forms one year and I didn’t catch it. The IRS did and contacted me. However, every couple of years since, I get contacted by the state or the IRS because they still have the old wrong SS# in their computerized system. I fill out the forms to correct it. I triple check my SS# for accuracy x3 before I file my taxes, and two years later, it happens again.

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 2:14 PM

You sooooo totally miss the point. When people don’t have jobs and are destitute, they can more easily be seduced by promises of big-government benefits.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Hey GTL.

Yes, if the goal is to enlarge the gov’t and dependent class (which reliably votes Democrat, coincidentally), then a thriving economy would not be helpful.

How’s Marin County treating you? We drove through on our honeymoon–beautiful.

jazz_piano on July 27, 2009 at 2:16 PM

I like 1, 3, and 5. Re #3, we could elaborate a voucher system for LOW-INCOME uninsured people ONLY that would give them government money to purchase PRIVATE low-cost, high-deductible health-care insurance on a sliding scale–the amount of the voucher would decrease with income. For example, if the cutoff income was $40,000, and the voucher for someone with no income was $3,000, the person would lose 7.5 cents of voucher for every dollar earned if he/she got a job, but would not completely lose coverage. Such a program could be paid for by raising the income cap on Medicare taxes.

We would also need to allow people (and/or small businesses) to form for-profit co-ops to buy health insurance in quantity and sell it to individuals, families, and small businesses. Policies are usually cheaper for large groups due to a large number of “healthy” people in the group. Even if the co-ops could make money to pay their administrators, competition between co-ops would tend to keep costs down.

We should also allow people, businesses, and co-ops to shop for health insurance across state lines, so that people could choose between high-cost policies in states with strict regulations and low-cost policies in states with looser regulations, and patients decide who much they are willing to pay, and what risk they are willing to accept.

We should also have maximum “caps” on damage awards in malpractice suits–a fixed amount that can be awarded to a plaintiff if malpractice causes death of a loved one, or loss of arms, or legs, or sight, or hearing, etc. These limits could be hundreds of thousands or low millions of dollars (depending on the type of injury), but the elimination of awards in the tens or hundreds of millions of dollars would significantly reduce costs for malpractice insurance, as insurance companies would write policies to cover the caps, rather than a theoretically unlimited risk.

No. 4 in Newt’s list is interesting, but requiring every small local hospital to provide the level of care of the Mayo Clinic is unrealistic. But there could be several “levels of accreditation” of hospitals, where the lowest level must provide basic emergency care, treatment of infectious diseases, and common surgeries, while hospitals able to provide more specialized care (such as open-heart surgery, cancer care, neuro-surgery, etc.) would receive higher ratings, and these ratings could be made known to doctors and paramedics deciding where to send patients who cannot be treated by a general practitioner. The ratings could take into account cost of care as well as quality, and could be differentiated by type of care, for example one hospital could be highly rated for cardiology, another for kidney transplants, etc.

Such a rating system would allow the government some regulation over the quality of care offered, and allow it to fine or close substandard hospitals, while offering doctors, patients, and insurers impartial criteria for choosing hospitals for various types of care, without “rationing” care, because the government would have no financial interest in choosing one hospital over another.

Steve Z on July 27, 2009 at 2:17 PM

How’s Marin County treating you? We drove through on our honeymoon–beautiful.

jazz_piano on July 27, 2009 at 2:16 PM

We moved here simply for quality of life. Weather for past 3 months has been perfect, every single day. 70′s, blue skies, light breezes. Lots of hiking, mountain biking. Gorgeous.

Our taxes here aren’t any higher than they were in NYC or Philadelphia.

Of course, every other car on the road sports Obammy stickers.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Our taxes here aren’t any higher than they were in NYC or Philadelphia.

Of course, every other car on the road sports Obammy stickers.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Yeah, I suppose if NYC and Philly are the standard of comparison, it wouldn’t be so bad. Less crime, better weather, nicer scenery.

jazz_piano on July 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Newt says that Alzheimers and diabetes are crippling our health-care system, which is not quite accurate. It’s crippling government programs, certainly, and costing a fortune for families. Aging, however, is the biggest cost driver for Medicare/Medicaid, which is why Alzheimers has become such a problem;

Actually these diseases and others associated with the elderly have been around for a long time, its the demand for treatments for them that’s driving much of the health care dollar.

The CHT proposal is very intriguing, and Republicans could incorporate much of it into their own health-care reform offerings. Some of this seems a little too close to ObamaCare for comfort.

Its the “can’t we all just get along” people in this country who like Newt are the most infuriating, what is it we’re accepting half of to compromise?
Liberalism as national destruction?

How much of half of the America we’ve had passed on to us are we willing to let be destroyed, so we can what, say now we can all get along?

BS, evil never rests, and if progressives get halfway to the goal, its a good day, see ya tomorrow.

People like Newt need to commit 110% or get off the pot, no more sulky balk, paw and lay down halfway across the creek.

People who think compromise is the American ideal make me sick.

Speakup on July 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM

3. Have ememgency rooms perform a triage and treat only true emergencies. All others will be refered to a local walkin clinic. The will also be given a voucher. Emergency rooms are the most expensive delivery system around. All people would receive faster treatment.

This is a good idea–that emergency rooms NOT be required to treat minor injuries, such as a broken finger or sprained ankle, and they should have protection from liability for turning away patients with minor problems, if alternate care is available (for a price) at a local clinic or general practitioner’s office.

Steve Z on July 27, 2009 at 2:23 PM

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