New Dem strategy on ObamaCare: Ignore the evidence and just trust us!

posted at 10:11 am on July 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

After taking shots to the political solar plexus from the CBO on the costs of their health-care reform package, House Democrats have decided to drop the pretense of saving money through ObamaCare.  Instead, The Hill reports that Democrats will argue that the new health-care system will be so good, that it will be worth spending a lot more money on it, and the savings will magically appear from …. somewhere.  Since the entire raison d’etre of ObamaCare is that medical costs are bankrupting America, this smells like desperation:

Following a blow from the Congressional Budget Office, Democratic leaders in Congress likely will make the case this week that the healthcare reform plan has multiple benefits and cost savings that cannot be scored by independent congressional accountants.

Democrats are going to seek to convince skeptics that the healthcare overhaul has other provisions, such as prevention and wellness measures, that will provide benefits and save money, a House leadership aide told The Hill on Sunday. …

“At CBO, they are accountants, but we still have to make our case,” the leadership aide said. “They are doing their thing and we are doing ours.”

“What people seem to forget is that we are making progress [with legislation], but that the [Energy and Commerce] committee is still talking and that the legislation is not finalized,” the aide said. Lawmakers are continuing to look at “other measures to save money or to slow the rate of growth — all of those things are under discussion,” the aide added.

Call it faith-based economics.  Just forget all of those people who make a living at looking at balance sheets, cost projections, and legislative analysis — trust us!  For a party that screeched about returning science to its “rightful place” in policymaking, they seem highly enamored of tarot cards and entrail-reading when it comes to their own fiscal policies.

The Obama administration and the Democrats have yet to learn that one cannot spend their way back into solvency.  We already have government programs for medical care that don’t work.  If Congress wants to overhaul Medicare/Medicaid to make it financially viable, the VA to make it responsive, and Indian Health Service to make it do anything for its consumers, that would be enough for any Congress to do.  Otherwise, we don’t need the Church of Democratic Spending asking us to ignore the evidence of massive irresponsibility and ask us to believe that they can perform some kind of transubstantiation to make it into cost savings for the American taxpayer.

Update: Gary Gross discusses the difference between cost and price, as I have done repeatedly.  This point needs constant attention.


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To quote Maxwell Smart

“Would you believe”

CommentGuy on July 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM

all we need is 10.7% unemployment and O is toast…..

SDarchitect on July 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Hey! Did Laura Ingraham adopt a little boy? Good for her!

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM

we weren’t ready yet for Obama. we need to be shamed for 20 more years

gatorboy on July 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM

For a party that screeched about returning science to its “rightful place” in policymaking

Good point, Ed.

Democrat Slogan: Returning Science to it’s rightful place: Under Government Control

cntrlfrk on July 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM

CommentGuy on July 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Barbara Feldon! Grrrowl!

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 11:13 AM

TexasJew on July 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM

We’re going to need to insure “equal access” to medical degrees… so they’ll be flying off the shelves at your local community college.

Sample Board Licensing Question:

#143 – A patient (that’s a sick person) comes in after his 17-week waiting period and he still complains of a broken leg. Do you:

A. Give him some pain pills
B. Hand him the brochure “Stop Burdening the System”
C. Turn on MSNBC in the waiting area and give him pain pills.
D. Remove the compressor before draining the old oil
E. All of the above

mankai on July 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM

It will be interesting watching the umemployment numbers over the next few weeks.

HoustonRight on July 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Agreed, fellow Lucky Texan, watch the spin: ‘It’s just the natural summer employment drop due to school starting.’
Balderdash.
Local paper says 10,000 will get the .70 cent bump, but doesn’t take into account the fact that insurance, liability, workers comp, Social Security, Medicare are all tied to how much a worker makes. Prices go up, they can spend less.
Middle class gets pushed down because we don’t get a commensurate raise.

TinMan13 on July 27, 2009 at 11:15 AM

One of your best, Ed.

burt on July 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM

We’re going to need to insure “equal access” to medical degrees… so they’ll be flying off the shelves at your local community college.

It’s already in the bill… racial preference to minority schools to receive extra funds

doncha know, we’re living in a post-racial society now?

gatorboy on July 27, 2009 at 11:23 AM

TinMan13 on July 27, 2009 at 11:15 AM

The only offset to the numbers will be the people whose benefits are expiring. I only wish we could report the real unemploymnet numbers whatever they may be.

HoustonRight on July 27, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Vote R for Recovery

Mojave Mark on July 27, 2009 at 11:25 AM

all we need is 10.7% unemployment and O is toast…..

SDarchitect on July 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM

No, the spin on that is already started. The stimulus was passed on a purely partisan vote to get people into jobs “right now” (filthy liar’s own words) doing those shovel-ready projects but that has already been replaced with lectures about employment being a lagging indicator and discussions that this might be a jobless recovery in the short-term.

The filthy liar will not go down on 10.7% unemployment but the real concern in the filthy liar’s party is how they are going to explain all this to voters in 2010. I suspect if the elections were being held this November it would be a bloodbath for the left.

What will another year do to that prediction? Hard to tell but this much is certain. Obama needs to pass something that he can call healthcare reform because of the political investment he has made in this issue. Even if it is a Congressional proclamation declaring March Band-Aid appreciation month, he needs to sign something.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 11:25 AM

To quote Maxwell Smart

“Would you believe”

CommentGuy on July 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM

More like…

“Missed it by thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat much.”

And when they don’t get the bill passed in August…

“Sorry about that Chief.”

mankai on July 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Middle class gets pushed down because we don’t get a commensurate raise.

TinMan13 on July 27, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Nobody wins. Fewer jobs for the unskilled and young. Higher business costs and prices.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 11:28 AM

put your trust in the one who will heal your cancer and give you top doctors. Never mind the evidence, faith is all that matters. Do not be led astray by those who would lead you to the path of conservatism

Liberalism really is turning into a church

Defector01 on July 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM

We all know that the biggest problem with our health care is the massive cost of malpractice insurance rates doctors have to pay. They make up for this by ordering too many unneeded tests and giving out too many medications and charging outrageous fees just for patients to get the results of those tests, often only to find out there is nothing wrong, or if there is it’s not worth bothering with. Used to be you’d get a phone call with results, now you get a copay visit appointment. If Obama’s so hip on diplomatic relations, why doesn’t he just create a committee (hell, even appoint another czar if that’s what it takes) to try and cobble out some kind of solution with the insurance companies, hospitals and doctors instead of tossing the whole industry (and all of us citizens) to the wolves (government)to be in charge of? IT’s the perfect example of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

scalleywag on July 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM

mankai on July 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Thank God the filthy liar opted to take on energy first. That bill is less likely to get through the Senate than HC reform. Had they not rammed through the cap&tax bill with its huge pricetag first, healthcare reform (still not a dead issue) would have been more likely to get through by partisanship alone.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Government Control => Price Controls => Shortages => Rationing => Black Markets.

This is always the progressive’s brilliant strategy.

kirkill on July 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM

We’re used to bending over and taking it so I sometimes wonder why we’re so upset about it now? Oh, we think we’re tough guys and independent, but we’re not.

For probably 100 years we’ve moved towards being a society that doesn’t want to get involved. As long as we have ours, it’s all good.

We’ve all been screwed over by ‘the system’. We shrug and move on rather than seeking redress. Perhaps we’ve known co-workers at jobs who have gotten the shaft and again we shrug and mumble something like, “Hey, they can fire you if they don’t like they way you part your hair. Too bad.” Don’t want to get involved and have the wolves eat us, too.

Ages ago those who stood up for themselves were admired. Now you’re admired if you get your a@@ kicked while everyone stands around and watches. Getting whipped by the bullies for no reason, and getting up is somehow more holy than standing up in the first place.

We’ve handed social responsibility over to the lawyers, the politicians and the police. We rely on people we don’t even know and who don’t give a crap about us to protect our families and our property. We stand by and say nothing when they abuse their power. Don’t wanna ‘make waves’.

We fawn over some of the biggest thugs, drunks, and drug addicts in our society because they can run fast or hit a ball well. One upon a time, we ourselves competed with our neighbors, friends and family in sport. What are we…Romans?

In case you all haven’t noticed, these Communists have been writing their own rules. They stick together. They get law degrees and such and work their way into the power structure. They didn’t prefer the reverse-elitism of the pride of the Blue Collar worker over going on with their educations.

So I ask…how’s it worked out for us?

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM

The One asking for Sacrifices is The One that wants to be Slave Master.

kirkill on July 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM

We’re going to need to insure “equal access” to medical degrees… so they’ll be flying off the shelves at your local community college.

mankai on July 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Tell me about it. Everytime I hear Obama talk about what is clearly a decision to be made by the patient and his doctor as if it is nothing, I cringe.

Blake on July 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM

The only offset to the numbers will be the people whose benefits are expiring. I only wish we could report the real unemploymnet numbers whatever they may be.

HoustonRight on July 27, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Agreed. And, as far as I know, no way of tracking those who lose hours – still employed at a higher rate, less hours working due to higher rate.

TinMan13 on July 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM

As a Catholic school survivor, I especially appreciate “transubstantiation”. Brilliant.

gopmom on July 27, 2009 at 11:37 AM

If Obama’s so hip on diplomatic relations, why doesn’t he just create a committee (hell, even appoint another czar if that’s what it takes) to try and cobble out some kind of solution with the insurance companies, hospitals and doctors instead of tossing the whole industry (and all of us citizens) to the wolves (government)to be in charge of? IT’s the perfect example of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

scalleywag on July 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that this is about reforming the healthcare delivery systems. It is not. It is about government taking over the medical industry in the same way they raided the auto and banking industries. They don’t want a good free-market solution, they want to be in control of it all from cradle (or not with the feds offering abortion on demand) to grave (i.e. pulling the plug on grannie). You will not have a choice about your treatment options, you will not have a choice in providers, you will even be fined if you do not enroll in the state-sponsored healthcare. To top it off, Obamacare puts Rahm Emanual and the rest of the criminal class of unelected street thugs in possesion of all your medical data.

Bottom line, Obamacare opposition is as much a defense of the First Amendment as it is anything else.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Nobody wins. Fewer jobs for the unskilled and young. Higher business costs and prices.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Higher costs + tight credit = hits to small businesses and stagnation.
Always good things in a recession, right?
‘Hey kids, things are tight this year, so this can of pork ‘n’ beans will have to do for a Christmas present. No, sorry, only one can, you all can split it. Oh, and since there’s no electricity due to cap ‘n’ traitor, you’ll have to eat ‘em cold.’

TinMan13 on July 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM


scalleywag on July 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Simple question to ask your local legislators: “Why is tort reform NOT included in any of these bills in the House or the Senate?” “If reducing health care cost is a primary aim President Obama and Congress is trying to achieve, why is there NO TORT REFORM?”

“Is that a lawyer bulging in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?”

Rovin on July 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM

The Obama administration and the Democrats have yet to learn that one cannot spend their way back into solvency. We already have government programs for medical care that don’t work. If Congress wants to overhaul Medicare/Medicaid to make it financially viable, the VA to make it responsive, and Indian Health Service to make it do anything for its consumers, that would be enough for any Congress to do. Otherwise, we don’t need the Church of Democratic Spending asking us to ignore the evidence of massive irresponsibility and ask us to believe that they can perform some kind of transubstantiation to make it into cost savings for the American taxpayer.
posted at 10:11 am on July 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Tell us how you really feel Ed. :)

I have been saying for months that this administrator hasn’t adopted science as their mantra but alchemy. They think they can create wealth from non wealth and when we the people push back they tell to believe their lying lips and not the evidence of our eyes.

chemman on July 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Dr. James David Manning says your support for Obama’s Health Care will kill you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6oWWGVWSFA&feature=player_embedded

izoneguy on July 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Nobody wins. Fewer jobs for the unskilled and young. Higher business costs and prices.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 11:28 AM

On our local news site (NC) they dragged in a university professor and another “analyst” who both concluded that the rasing of the MW would benefit the economy and the state.

They argue that increases in pay equal greater buying power and greater tax revenues for the state.

Ignorant… and sound suspiciously like Demand-side “Stimulus” reasoning.

I suggested they support a MW of $20/hr if that’s all it takes. I also asked where these business are going to get the extra money (pay plus benefits) and how the additional expenditures will be set-off. Ummmm…. they’ll either have to raise prices or lay off unskilled labor (which is a tough group to re-employ)… they can also withhold increases for more skilled labor. In any scenario, the economy is not helped at all.

How many times does history have to prove to these people that forcing higher wages without regard to the market results in higher unemployment, inflation or both?

mankai on July 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM

These are not the savings you are looking for. You can move along.

Lily on July 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM

To quote Maxwell Smart

“Would you believe”

CommentGuy on July 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Or, Obama to CBO:… “Dont’ tell me that these numbers don’t add up!”

CBO:”Mr. President, not only are there no savings in the proposal, in fact it increases the deficit.”

Obama: ” I asked you not to tell me that!”

Archimedes on July 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM

How many times does history have to prove to these people that forcing higher wages without regard to the market results in higher unemployment, inflation or both?
mankai on July 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Yeah, but it’s always good for the folks that make automation equipment.

Chainsaw56 on July 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Who’s ready for the mandatory “Ted Kennedy… Workout Plan”?

Isn’t that the one that requires you to hold your breath underwater for forty seconds, then hold your conscience at bay for forty years?

EyeSurgeon on July 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Maybe because we are more honorable? The day may come when the Galt’s conduct a real strike, but right now I think it comes down to honor and believing that such conduct is antithetical to what we believe.

Bishop on July 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM

It’s not antithetical to what I believe. Except for emergency life and death situations, I think docs ought to go on strike. I also think the Am. middle-class ought to have coordinated nat’l strike days. I don’t have forever to lead a normal life again, and I want to send my kids out into the America I was able to live in.

JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Archimedes on July 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM
CommentGuy on July 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Remember…..Smart worked for CONTROL and battled daily against KAOS.

sound familiar?

Rovin on July 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Government Control => Price Controls => Shortages => Rationing => Black Markets.

This is always the progressive’s brilliant strategy.

kirkill on July 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM

In notice of all the corruption charges swirling within the rank and file Dems these days, can we assume that they are merely voting their own self-servingly?

can anyone say conflict of interest?

Archimedes on July 27, 2009 at 12:15 PM

The One asking for Sacrifices

I’ll start “sacrificing” just as soon as this clown pays the taxpayer back for the cost of his over the top inaugeration, flies coach on Southwest, sends his kids to DC public schools, pays his taxes and starts taking Metro around DC.

Otherwise, take a flying f’ing leap, Barack.

NoDonkey on July 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

The One asking for Sacrifices is The One that wants to be Slave Master.

kirkill on July 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Instead of mangling Ayn Rand’s work, quote it in full…

It only stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there’s service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.
Ayn Rand

Archimedes on July 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Maybe because we are more honorable? The day may come when the Galt’s conduct a real strike, but right now I think it comes down to honor and believing that such conduct is antithetical to what we believe.
Bishop on July 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM

There is evidence to suggest that Costa Rica’s ranking as “the hottest real estate market in ’09″ is at least partly fueled by a growing “Going Galt” movement. I know I’ve been looking into RE down there.

Archimedes on July 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

KAOS?

What, did they just drop the “A” in the internet age?

Archimedes on July 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Maybe because we are more honorable? The day may come when the Galt’s conduct a real strike, but right now I think it comes down to honor and believing that such conduct is antithetical to what we believe.
Bishop on July 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM

It’s not antithetical to what I believe. Except for emergency life and death situations, I think docs ought to go on strike. I also think the Am. middle-class ought to have coordinated nat’l strike days. I don’t have forever to lead a normal life again, and I want to send my kids out into the America I was able to live in.
JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM

It would also be antithetical to what we believe to go along with self-enslavement.

National Strike days may be the only way to stop the descend of darkness known as Statism.

Chainsaw56 on July 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM

The Obama administration and the Democrats have yet to learn that one cannot spend their way back into solvency. We already have government programs for medical care that don’t work. If Congress wants to overhaul Medicare/Medicaid to make it financially viable, the VA to make it responsive, and Indian Health Service to make it do anything for its consumers, that would be enough for any Congress to do. Otherwise, we don’t need the Church of Democratic Spending asking us to ignore the evidence of massive irresponsibility and ask us to believe that they can perform some kind of transubstantiation to make it into cost savings for the American taxpayer.

Probably the best, and truest, graph/analogy you’ve ever written, Ed.

Nichevo on July 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM

We didn’t read it because it takes two days and two lawyers, but trust us, it saves money.

katablog.com on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

mankai on July 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM

You forgot…Shoot him, and put him out of his misery, because now our lives are worth less than those wild stallions on the tax payer dole.

Gotta give the Dems credit for having no shame, and the ability to spin the hell out of anything.

capejasmine on July 27, 2009 at 12:41 PM

New Dem strategy on ObamaCare: Ignore the evidence and just trust us!

Said the spiders to the flies.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Call it faith-based economics.

How about: “Short-bus economics.”?

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 27, 2009 at 12:46 PM

The costs are scary enough, but my concern is that no matter the cost I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING HEALTH CARE, PERIOD. Someone should continually tell these smart A$$’$ that the system is NOT BROKEN. Legislation to help make insurance more affordable and a way to protect catastrophic health care is something that needs addressed. NO to Government Control.

hillbilly on July 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM

***UNICORNS***

RedNewEnglander on July 27, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Ed,you nailed the head on the hit(as we used to say) on every point.
Any time you hear the word”comprehensive”,vote no.
The left has tried for decades to solve all the world’s problems “comprehensivly”.One bill to create Utopia is nothing more than magic thinking.
Comprehensive immigraton reform,comprehensive health care reform,comprehensive economic reform.All of these ideas are nonsense.
To stop illegal immigration–stop them at the border first,worry about those who are already here later.
Health care–stop the lawyers from driving up the price of malpractice insurance first,then deal with all the other problems,one at a time.
Economic recovery–government get out of it,then deal with the corruption that goes with runaway Capitalism.
One administration can’t do it all,but one administration can do a little bit.
How do you eat an elephant?One bite at a time.Our friends on the left can’t understand that simple fact of life.They want to eat the elephant in one bite.
Sarah Palin understands the simple facts of life,and our liberal friends think she is stupid.
Stupid is as stupid does,Obama has failed,Sarah has succeeded.

DDT on July 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM

DDT on July 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM

For the love of God, why can’t anyone on the hill realize this? What we really need is comprehensive congressional and lobbyist reform.

scalleywag on July 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Thank God the filthy liar opted to take on energy first. That bill is less likely to get through the Senate than HC reform. Had they not rammed through the cap&tax bill with its huge pricetag first, healthcare reform (still not a dead issue) would have been more likely to get through by partisanship alone.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM

The timing did work for us. For that I am grateful. It would be much easier to get rid of Cap and Trade than it will be to get rid of Nationalized Medicine, if either are brought to pass.

Once you get people dependent it takes decades to get them through rehab.

petunia on July 27, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Go ahead stick your head into that alligators mouth… he’s friendly.

workingforpigs on July 27, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Witness the Democratic Party, unmasked at long last for all the world to behold.

Now that you know what they really stand for, maybe it’s time to throw each and every one of them out of office.

Starting with Pelosi! Then we work our way up the food chain.

pilamaye on July 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM

izoneguy on July 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Here is a comment on the page of that video:

I have Family Health Plus, which is State Run. I am allowed only a certain amount of doctor visits per year. Things have to be approved and deemed needed by my insurance company BEFORE treatment. I have teeth that have needed pulling for 9 months. It took 6 mos to get approval and 3 mos for the appointment. It will be another 6 wks to be able to get fitted for false teeth, and who knows how long before I get them. Can you imagine if it were cancer?? -pyrae1688

Isn’t government insurance great!

boomer on July 27, 2009 at 8:43 PM

We’re going to need to insure “equal access” to medical degrees… so they’ll be flying off the shelves at your local community college.

mankai on July 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Teachers are a prime example of what to expect in the medical field under socialized medicine. The average teacher spends four to six years in college for a job that pays the bills and little more. The real teachers do it because they believe in what they are doing and willing to put in long hours, many after the school day is done. They must take what they are offered in a contract, if they want the job. Doctors spend ten years or more in college and internships to earn a living that, unlike teachers, rewards them for their years of sacrifice and dedication to their profression. What happens when the the goverment takes over? The doctors lose the freedom to practice freely. They are assigned patients and paid according to the number that they are assigned on a yearly basis, like public school teachers must accept. Many will leave and find something else that their education provides the opprotunity to earn a better living. We will see fewer doctors coming out of colleges and probably with less education, and more assistants and nurses under the supervision of a doctor who may or may not be competent to supervise. It will not matter if you like that or not, you are assigned to that doctor, no choice. That is the way it is done where the governmets control health care. So how long does it take to become a nurse? Most programs begin with a two year program of classes at a junior college. For the same amount of time, education and Licensing requirements, you can be licenced to cut and style hair and the potential income is greater.
In England the amount given to doctors was increased a couple years back. What was the results? The doctors saw that they could afford to work less for the same money they had been getting. There was no reward for working harder which is typical under socialism and more so under communisum. My understanding is that privae practice has been made illegal. How good is government care? A case in point. An boy in Great Britian where they have enjoyed the horrows of State medical care for decades, was declared by doctors to be almost deaf in one ear from the time he was a tottler. One day as a teenager, the end of que tip fell out of the ear. He was no longer deaf in that ear. How many governement doctors looked into that ear, or was there ever one that did?

Franklyn on July 28, 2009 at 6:54 AM

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