Gibbs on Birthers: Nothing will convince them
posted at 4:14 pm on July 27, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via Breitbart, I’m pretty sure an original long-form birth certificate would do the trick — for a while, until amateur Photoshoppers inevitably “discover” that the long-form’s also a forgery. Of course, according to CNN’s research, the original was discarded when Hawaii’s Health Department went paperless eight years ago, so there may be no long-form still available to produce. Even so, whatever they have on record is sufficient to warrant an official state certificate attesting to his birth in Honolulu, which is good enough for me and for 95 percent of the rest of the population although YMMV.
I do a lot of dumping on Birthers so in the spirit of reconciliation I’ll direct you to the most credible person on their side that I know, the always thoughtful and insightful Tom Maguire, whose front page currently features three posts on the subject. You’ll find the crux of his argument here, explaining that the Dunham family had a perfectly sound motive at the time to claim little Barack was American-born even if he wasn’t — namely, that it might give them leverage in a future custody battle with Obama’s father if he decided to try to have the matter heard in Kenyan courts. Interesting theory, although I’d be curious to know how prevalent that sort of shrewd legal maneuvering was in the 1960s between couples of diverse citizenship. Was it par for the course or were the Dunhams just unusually savvy about family law? And even if Maguire’s right and it turned out that the only evidence for Obama being born in Hawaii were affidavits signed by his mother and grandparents, where would that leave Birthers then? All three are dead; there’s no obvious way to impeach their testimony short of finding a Kenyan birth certificate, which would itself immediately be challenged as a forgery by The One’s defenders. So what’s the point?
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is a copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate &
Obama’s Indonesian birth certificate-
There is even a copy of Obama’s TALIBAN birth certificate.
THAT IS THE REASON DIGITAL IMAGES ARE NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Fun at your expense. Keep going.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Exactly, that is why the head of the Health Services Dept. looked at the documents and deemed them proper and legal.
That would normally be the end of it, the official head of the Dept. publicly stating that the COLB is accurate.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:15 AM
Yeah, whatever enjoyment you get.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:16 AM
The documents that were destroyed in 2001, right. Case closed.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 1:16 AM
That’s right.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 1:17 AM
So you think this was all being planned back in 2001, actually it took a few years for all the documents to be transferred, so you think 10 years ago, they began this nefarious operation. And of course almost 50 years ago they planted those birth announcements.
So while Obama was in his 20′s, they began planning this, they “destroyed” all evidence of his birth and “they” replaced it with new evidence. “They” have been very busy.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:21 AM
The documents that were destroyed in 2001. But weren’t destroyed in 2008. Those documents.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 1:23 AM
This is a new twist for the birthers, this is very interesting to me.
You are now beginning to think the plot was managed for at least a decade.
These must have been very powerful and influential people to get to the records and change them.
Any idea who that would be?
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:23 AM
No, I’m beginning to think the b.s. was managed since 2008.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 1:24 AM
They’ve had 3 different stories (June & October of 2008 and July 24, 2009). I say what’s good for the goose- John McCain had to produce his original birth certificate to a forensic document examiner at a Congressional hearing and he was a war hero. Obama’s left almost no footprints (documents) in his 48 years- all missing or sealed. He has no respect for Americans, even those who still support him- who want him to put this issue to rest- the proper way- as John McCain WAS REQUIRED TO. Obams “STUPIDLY” thinks he’s too good for that, obviously.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 1:24 AM
What grade are you in?
warden on July 28, 2009 at 1:29 AM
I guess you don’t understand….they took all the records and placed them on micro-fisch and digital. Paper records decay and can be burned or destroyed, and more easily tampered or stolen.
They took all the records from 1908 forward and archived them.
They looked at those records and compared them with the COLB, and found the information as being accurate.
Now I don’t know what other agency you need to have look at it, but the Health Services Department is the one that would have that authority and expertise.
But probably not as smart as josmoe the 18 year old blogger who thinks having a Hawaiian COLB isn’t a valid certificate.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:31 AM
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They’ve had 3 different stories (June & October of 2008 and July 24, 2009). I say what’s good for the goose- John McCain had to produce his original birth certificate to a forensic document examiner at a Congressional hearing and he was a war hero. Obama’s left almost no footprints (documents) in his 48 years- all missing or sealed. He has no respect for Americans, even those who still support him- who want him to put this issue to rest- the proper way- as John McCain WAS REQUIRED TO. Obams “STUPIDLY” thinks he’s too good for that, obviously.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 1:24 AM
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 1:34 AM
Obama produced the COLB, it was deemed accurate by the Dept. of Health Services.
The COLB was the only document issued for birth in those years. It was accepted by everyone in the WORLD, with the exception of the birthers.
Selective Service, Passport, Motor Vehicles (I know some don’t believe it), everyone….everyone in the WORLD.
There is no other document that has any more information regarding where he was born, Honolulu, Hawaii.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:36 AM
The original reason for not being able to produce the long-form birth certificate was that it had been destroyed. Now the same person is claiming to have inspected it recently. The reasons why nobody else gets to see it keep changing.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 1:36 AM
again, you are a moron if you think a modern ‘certificATION’ (not certificate you goober) is valid for a driver’s license.
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 1:37 AM
McCain produced his birth certificate because that is what was issued….Obama produced his birth certificate because that is what was issued.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:37 AM
sigh….
dangit, i can’t seem to find the “short form, certification of live birth” or the “certification of live birth, post-2001 edition” as acceptable? interesting.
what’s amazing is, hudnreds thousands of hawaiians have been given drivers licenses ONLY when producing birth certificates with doctors signatures on them ( see
http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/birth-cert-small.jpg
) but apparently obama can get a loan or a CIA desk job based on a green, soulless, non-notarized JPG image.
Right2Bright ignores the facts are totally against hima nd starts a long diatribe about judges and illegal driver’s licenses in 3…2…1…
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 1:44 AM
Obama was born in 2007, when the green thingy was printed??????
OH, you mean that obama HASNT produced his “birth certificate”; you meant to say “Obama has produced a printed green reproduction in 2007 of some information that might or might not be on the original birth certificate, but we’ll never know because obama refuses to release his original birth certificate”
POLL FOR HOTAIR: HOW MANY POSTERS HERE OVER 40 YEAR OLD HAVE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE DATED “2006″, “2007″, or “2008″ LIKE OBAMA>
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 1:46 AM
They only issue one now, it has been called Certificate, Certified, Certification of Birth. The terms have been interchangeable. That was the historical problem, each agency had a different name.
It would be technically called a Certificate of Live Birth, and if you requested a copy it would be called a Certified Certificate of Live Birth. But they are all called a birth certificate. So if you requested a certified birth certificate you would have received a COLB.
All of the above would allow you to get a drivers license, along with a Hawaiian ID certificate.
FYI: The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.
And the rules have been amended several times since then.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:50 AM
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YOUR IGNORANCE KNOWS NO BOUNDS. TAKE A LOOK AT THESE:
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& NOTE DIFFERENCES:
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A) A REAL COPY OF A 1963 HAWAIIAN Cert of Live Birth Aquired after the NOW-INFAMOUS “Paper Purge of 2001″
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B) Obama’s Cert of Live Birth 1961 as posted online
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Obama, 50 years without leaving a paper trail- left unscrutinized by the State-Run Media & their liberal buddies.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 2:03 AM
You didn’t read that?
The Certified Birth Certificate and the COLB is one and the same….you didn’t know that very basic fact?
Prior to 2006 everyone was given a COLB, now they call it a Certified Birth Certificate, but it is the exact same information….you really didn’t know that?
I gave you the phone numbers to call and ask…it would have saved you the embarrassment.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 2:05 AM
YOU ARE WRONG DUDE. look 2 posts up. the birth certificate from the 1960s has a bunch of extra info and signatures on it (see the side by side link i posted); obama’s has none of that other than his father’s race as “african”
YOU cant seem to grasp that the colb on daily kos is not what was issued at all in the 1960s.
but go ahead, keep trying to ignore the dozens of holes in your theory by acting high-and-mighty. it’s pretty fun to watch! ;)
Read nightmare’s post at 2:03. and actually, yknow, ANSWER him instead of saying something arrogant for no reason.
(and i REALLY cant believe you think obama’s green thingy is the same as the 1960s era COLB. do YOU not know that basic fact that different info exists on each!??!?!!)
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 2:08 AM
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Not me. But there are a lot of monkeys here which I’m sure will push the numbers up.
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P.S. Good points you’ve made.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 2:09 AM
I doubt few will read this way back here on the end of Page 7 of the comments, but, here goes, anyway:
I propose that the phrase “Nonbirthers” be used now for people such as Robert Gibbs and those like him.
Nonbirthers. People who can’t substantiate the requests for documentation and utterly misrepresent the terms that the rest of humanity has little issue grasping, such as what the Constitution means by “citizen” and “natural-born citizen”.
Lourdes on July 28, 2009 at 2:10 AM
So you are saying that the Health Services Dept. in Hawaii lied?
Dr. Okuba lied, and the other two lied?
This is how stupid your excersise is.
I have posted this several times.
I have two “official” birth certificates, both official.
One has my dads occupation, the other doesn’t.
One has my footprint the other doesn’t.
One has one type of border, the other doesn’t have the same.
My wife, born in the same hospital 9 months later, totally different then my two.
So we have A, B and C…which one is a forgery, or all all three official.
On mine they have the same date, time, doctor, hospital, names, nationality…but the details are different and they look totally different.
Tell me which one is forged? If either, by your analysis one has to be a forgery, and by your analysis either both of mine or one of mine and my wifes is a forgery.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 2:11 AM
Well then, tell me which one of the three birth certificates I have in my possession, at least two have to forgery’s by your “brilliant” analysis.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 2:14 AM
you idiot!
you yourself said that the original birth cert was destroyed in 2001….
….but you also said the dr examined the birth cert in 2008
how can i believe anything you say? (unless, somehow, your expert witness doctor saved a copy of barack’s cert in 2001, knowing the not-quite-yet-illinois-state-senator would someday be president???)
you’re C-R-A-Z-Y
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 2:16 AM
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I like the sound of that: Nonbirthers. I call the Blind Believers of Obama “Bliefers”. And some here have called them Suppressors. It’s all good.
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Lourdes- pretty name; like Our Lady of Lourdes? If you have any connections (lol) I could use some prayers. Next couple of days could be a matter of life & death & I am scared…
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 2:18 AM
i don’t have to; according to you, all 3 are teh SAME document with the SAME information (even though 2 of the 3 don’t have all the signatures nightmare listed above)
you’re saying 1=2=2. i cant argue with that lack of logic
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 2:19 AM
God be with you during the next few days, and good luck to you. With medical stuff for me or family, I’ve found that prayer always helps in those situations in particular…
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 2:22 AM
I guess you have a hard time following, and you are so consumed with a “gotcha” that logic has left.
What I stated was in 2001 they converted all the documents from 1908 to film and digital. That way they can be kept forever, since paper and ink deteriorate. They have archived it.
So the “original” paper is not there, but the original image is.
So they can compare the original information with the present information.
Which is what the Health Services Dept. did, and reported on.
That should be clear enough for you to understand.
You don’t understand what archiving is? How it works?
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 2:23 AM
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battleoflepanto, thanks so much from me, my husband & my kids.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 2:27 AM
But they don’t have all the same information, one has different then the others, they aren’t the same document, they look completely different. One is hand written, one is partially type out.
So which one is the forgery, if you looked at them you would swear one was and the other wasn’t or both were.
Similar to the logic of saying, Obama’s certificate looks different…btw, isn’t that Alan guy born in a military hospital? I think McCains looks totally different then any that I had seen also.
Anyway, which one of mine is a forgery since they have different information, different borders, different handwriting, different most everything, except for the critical stuff….just like a COLB.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 2:29 AM
Goodnight birthers…the earth is not flat, we did land on the moon, and fire can melt steel…
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 2:31 AM
Has anybody here seen Sarah Palin’s birth certificate? Because I have it on authority that she was delivered during the Iditarod and may have been in the Yukon Territory. It was covered up because a lot of people thought she might become president someday.
Brainster on July 28, 2009 at 2:47 AM
Maybe this won’t convince anyone either, but then again, maybe it will. This article(after the pic) should cause every person in their right mind to stop and think of the possible implications. I encourage y’all to read the whole article and then to pass it on!!
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
stacy on July 28, 2009 at 3:24 AM
How about the issue regarding the newspaper announcement? The thing that pushed Hot Air into rejecting that something was fishy?
Apparently, neither Dunham nor Obama ever resided in the place of residence that’s presented on that birth announcement in the papers.
A leftist professor named Orland Scott Lefforge and his wife did. He died in 2007 and she died 10 days before this newspaper announcement was “discovered.”
http://bit.ly/1rYNki
If true…doesn’t this make even the most ardent anti-birther question that perhaps something is going on here?
powerpro on July 28, 2009 at 3:37 AM
Gibbs. What a piece of work this guy is. Where the hell did they ever come up with this bonehead? I think Oblingo hired a bunch of idiots to try and make his own self look good.
tbear44 on July 28, 2009 at 3:37 AM
Godwin. You haz it.
If nothing will turn people against Obama, Hitler comparisons most certainly definitely will!
Seriously… enough with the kookyness. Ya’ll are making the rest of us who have legitimate reasons to dislike Obama and his naive, arrogant, misguided policies look bad.
Hollowpoint on July 28, 2009 at 5:40 AM
BUT ELVIS LIVES AND ANYONE WHO SAYS DIFFERENT BETTER PUT UP THIER DUKES RIGHT FREAKIN NOW.
Hollowpoint on July 28, 2009 at 5:41 AM
OMG he’s in on the CONSPIRACY!!11!!!
Nice to see you’ve been so selective in who’ve you hitched your horse to:
Hollowpoint on July 28, 2009 at 5:50 AM
Really? And just Who is the Director of the Health and Human Services?
(Hint: An Obama Loyalist and Cronie)
Great points; but you’re barking up the wrong tree with people who want to debate platitudes of everything but the FACTS of the Details of this matter.
You omitted the Illegals in 1998 (Hmmm, just over 10 years ago) in Oregon who obtained Drivers Licenses (“valid” documents) BY an Illegal who’d assimilated and somehow (God knows… Conspiracy?!) got a job there!
But, HOW could THAT have happened? Surely the “Secretary” and Government THERE would have “checked” the Legal Status of that Employee BEFORE putting her to work, right?:
http://www.ocregister.com/features/dmv/dmv01001cci.shtml
nationspatriotcom on July 28, 2009 at 6:08 AM
POST them then, and open them up for the “scrutiny” you call for.
If they’re BOTH “Birth Certificates”, and ONE’s different; something smells.
Have You NOT gone to WND to READ the DIFFERENCE of the COLB (borders, print, etc.) yourself?
Lastly:
THIS is what “logic” YOU resort to, while questioning those above:
Wow… How can you Possibly argue with THAT?
nationspatriotcom on July 28, 2009 at 6:26 AM
Obama File 78 Hard Evidence! Proof That Obama’s Hawaii and Chicago Communist Networks Were Linked?
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-file-78-smoking-gun-proof-that.html
Friendly21 on July 28, 2009 at 7:23 AM
Have you not gone to WND? HAHAHAHAAHA…uh…I think I’m going to be sick…
Black Yoshi on July 28, 2009 at 7:32 AM
The Constitution.
jerrytbg on July 28, 2009 at 7:33 AM
If in 2001 Hi began microfiche conversion, what was the time schedule of file conversion? Is it still ongoing?
I converted student files to microfiche as a work study job at Duke Alumni Affairs many years ago. It was a slow tedious tremendously boring process which allowed me to see everyone’s records — contemporaneous and from many years prior. There was no rhyme or reason as to the matriculation dates or alphabetical order of the files I was handed. And, refiling or disposal was handled by someone else. So, multiple persons upon a whim could take a gander at the files — or conceivably copy them.
Methinks, Ogabe et. al., may be afraid original information was compromised if indeed there are disturbing facts in the said document(s); therefore, it would behoove them to stay mum on the subject and hope no copies of the birth certificate ever turn up.
And, if an original does not exist, they may be incapable of creating and acceptable forgery for lack of the appropriate type linen/paper — From what I have seen in NC, typically, high end paper products with specific watermarks, borders, linen, ink, embedded fibers were utilized to make such documents. A limited supply of such product would have been produced. If in fact, Ogabe’s little collective wished to conjure up a forgery, the undertaking to duplicate such high end paper could be painstaking and, even then, readily identifiable as a forgery.
trollkiller on July 28, 2009 at 8:02 AM
I was born in 1945 and have a copy of my birth certificate. I am not a birther, but why doesn’t he release his copy, if he has one, to shutdown the birthers. Unfortunately his birth records are not the only records that are not public. So what does he have to hide?
amr on July 28, 2009 at 8:06 AM
Give it up, race fans! You lose! The King of Kenya has 7 1/2 more years and you guys have Sarah Palin!
simplesimon on July 28, 2009 at 8:11 AM
I agree.
Right2Bright, you are incorrect. Hawaii used two different documents and they are not the same at all. A COLB is not a birth certificate.
Hawaii issued COLB’s to people arriving in Hawaii with children born elsewhere as a beginning to their paper trail. Of course some dumbass couldn’t figure out they would be used as proof of citizenship, WHICH THEY WERE NEVER INTENDED FOR.
There’s no huge, grand conspiracy here. Only a couple very small ones, made by well intentioned stupid people, imho.
No proof that Bozo is a natural born citizen has been provided, as was required of McCain, but we do have sworn testimony from Bozo’s grandmother to the effect that he was born in Kenya.
Bozo must have an original Birth Certificate among his records. All he has to do is produce it. I several of mine, don’t most people?
BTW how did he get those other passports he owned? I wouldn’t mind seeing those too. What are Indonesia’s rules about issuing passports?
He may well be a citizen, but I want him to prove it. I think he’s hiding his BC for some reason we don’t know. Perhaps someone else is listed as his father, or perhaps there is no one listed as his father.
There is something worrying him about the original, or he and his legal team of feral lawyers would not be fighting this issue tooth and nail in the courts to block every attempt to make his real Birth Certificate public.
dogsoldier on July 28, 2009 at 8:15 AM
Per this morning’s AP –
Hawaii again declares Obama birth certificate real
Therefore – something exists in long form, as opposed to the myth “it was destroyed”. Now this tidbit I find interesting:
Is it in the American peoples best interest to verify an authentic long form, as did this “dept official” – in order to ensure a Constitutional requirement of President?
I am not a birther by name – but good lord – how about the long form simply be released instead of repeating the same questionable “viewings” by the same officials.
Odie1941 on July 28, 2009 at 8:16 AM
Obama has nothing to gain by doing so. How does it help him out to try to mollify the birthers? Its to his advantage not to do so. It makes much of the right look like conspiracy nutjobs and diverts them from actually opposing policies when they waist time chasing after conspiracies and hoaxes.
firepilot on July 28, 2009 at 8:19 AM
I mentioned this a few months ago, but thought it relevant again:
I applied for and received my Irish dual citizenship in 2001, whereas I am listed in the Irish Foreign Births Registry.
Every single document I produced for the Irish gov (yes, I understand Ireland is not America) had to be authentic long form, raised seal and sig guaranteed – from my grandfathers birth in Cork, to his travel papers to America, to his marriage to my grandmother, death certificate, birth certificate of my father, his marriage certificate to my mother and finally my birth certificate to show lineage. There were zero exceptions. If it wasn’t authentic, long form or certified raised seal sig guarantee – it was null and void. I took about 4 months, considering some of the existing forms my parents had – weren’t good enough for the Irish gov, like their marriage license and a few other issues along the way.
I just find it amazing Ireland would require stringent authenticity, yet the POTUS doesn’t, as I state in my post above.
OT – If anyone is interested in obtaining Irish Foreign Births Registry info – be more than happy to help…
Odie1941 on July 28, 2009 at 8:23 AM
“Much of the right is loathed by the left anyway – nothing to worry about there. Reps have been opposing Obamas policies from Day 1 – yet we dont hear a peep form the WH (I won) or the MSM – thats a non starter. And this hoax forced Hawaii officials to again, release the same so-called “authentic” viewing statement I posted above – which I find interesting.
2010 will not be won or lost based on Birthers. In the same way left loons hijacked the House/Senate and Presidency after years of fringe accusations, radical behavior and likening BUsh/Cheney/Rummy/Reps to satan.
Odie1941 on July 28, 2009 at 8:27 AM
My take on all this… There are cranks. Ron Paul and HRC cranks that pass these rumors around. The media, seeing The One falling in polls knows that if they can tie these crank theories to anyone who criticizes Obama they are helping him.
I am beginning to believe the whole birth cert story is media generated and inflated. It all started the with the HRC campaign and her supporters. Why should the GOP then be painted and tarred with this story…
James on July 28, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Now, I would like to see Obama’s college records and read his Thesis. I mean he is the President for chrissakes.
Also, I would like him to submit to the same Top Secret clearance interview and documentation release that many men and women have to participate in so that they can work in sensitive areas of the Defense Department.
James on July 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM
It’s like the truthers, who with their inane theories kept the flame burning hot against Bush. It seems we’re slowly learning how to play that game too. Of course, for the destruction of Obama he himself will have to do the heavy lifting, and is.
dhimwit on July 28, 2009 at 9:27 AM
James on July 28, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Conspiracy theoririst!
Mr Purple on July 28, 2009 at 9:29 AM
I have to agree with Gibbs on this one…nothing will convince this group.
AnninCA on July 28, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Let me just add to this. When I applied to work for the Navy as a civilian, it was for an entry level GS5 job right out of college. The highest level we dealt with, if dealing at all was confidential. Almost no one in our branch, except for the military and civilian branch heads, dealt with secret or top secret, and even that was rare.
So, for what was basically a glorified clerical job, the FBI or some agency came to my neighborhood and interviewed every person who answered the door. Those did didn’t answer got a questionairre. That was something like 20 or 30 homes. FOR A FREAKING ENTRY LEVEL POSITION.
But, we can hand over our economy, our freedom, our lives and about a half million megatons of nukes to a narcissistic, marx loving, teleprompter reading, cop hating, jug eared bozo on “I sez I’m amurikin”
Yep, makes sense to me.
bullseye on July 28, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Obama could put this to rest once and for all by just signing a release of the documents to the public, but for some reason he has not.
I believe the Obama administration is using this to distract from some of their policies and why they want to keep this hoax alive.
JeffinSac on July 28, 2009 at 10:23 AM
I’d be convinced if one of the following occurred
1. The jugeared jackass faced the same scrutiny over his documents and status that the Senate subjected a war hero to.
2. One or more of the states enacted some strict vetting procedures for 2012 and Ozero passed the test.
It’s that simple.. Give someone the accountability and responisibility to vet him, show the paper trail and fine, then I’ll believe. Otherwise there are too many questions.
“I Sez so” just doesn’t make sense when you hand over the keys to a half a million megatons of nukes.
bullseye on July 28, 2009 at 10:26 AM
So, let me see,
- It was supposedly destroyed,
- Then it was backed up on microdisk.
- Now Honalulu state official, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, says she has seen it (She is an Obama supporter, I’m sure)
- It’s only released to people with “tangible interest”
- McCain showed his birth certificate immediatly
- So the COLB is not what was issues back when Obama was born?
- So this COLB issues in 08 is supposed to put the nail in the coffin of this “conspiracy”?
Even Allahpundit who started this article said it was destroyed, but it wasn’t destroyed because this woman says she has seen it. So much for that argument.
Where are the journalist trying to find out where he was born. Jerome Corsi was thrown out of Kenya when he tried to find out.
Here is a way to put it to rest.
SHOW THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
I for one don’t think it exist. I am sick of what our country has become. I thought conservatives were supposed to be open minded and search for the truth. But as evidenced from this site that is not the case.
So we are supposed to take the word of a lying liberal? Just believe them? Are you serious?
Is it so hard to believe that this lying, Chicago thug, can actually be above hiding his place of birth?
I am conservative, Voted for Conservatives every election, at least until this one when I voted for McCain.
Here is the article that Newsmax released
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/us_obama_birth_certificate/2009/07/27/240674.html
Why are you all taking this lying down. The constitution may be getting violated and we need to find out. Stand up for what is right and demand that this be shown.
sd78 on July 28, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Keep in mind folks that this goes beyond the birth certificate. Ozero was supposedly adopted by his second indonesian father. There is a possibility that at some point he lost US Citizenship. Also, as I understand it, he may still be ineligible based on the age of his mother and the status of his father as a british subject.
I’m glad the lamestream media put as much into this as they did into Sarah Palins privately purchased tanning bed. Bravo Zulu folks!!!
bullseye on July 28, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Palin’s daughter, thats news
Palin’s handicaped son’s “allegid” mother/father, thats news
Palin’s ethics, that’s news.
McCain’s houses, that’s news.
Obama’s not showing a valid birth certificate, move along people nothing to see here.
Let’s just roll over and take it. That is the mentality of “Republicans” not Conservatives. If Birther you call me then birther I am. Don’t stand up and fight for truth like our founding fathers or anything. Just believe your masters and all will be well.
sd78 on July 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Alinsky rule- ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
Gibbs is using the tired old psych tactic of “minimization”, make it sound like no big deal and ridicule those asking as morons…instead of simply answering the question.
Ah, a long form birth certificate certified by the Hawaii Dept. of Records, shown to have been submitted to appropriate offices before election would suit me just fine. Then, if I think he faked it, then I would have a burden to meet, not Obambi.
Now the story is that the long form original was destroyed and Hawaii just has short forms only now, since their records went digital. That’s odd, as since my boss, who is an Obama voting lawyer, said short forms are not the “same” as long forms (i.e not as good for verification). Though I believe that the office would destroy documents once scanned, they wouldn’t destroy a long form until they copied the actual document into the computer. It would be stupid to do a short hand document that lacks detail, and toss the original, when the long form is not much “larger” than the short.
Ad nauseam? Really?
The only thing Obama submitted publicly was the short form, apparently to factcheck.org, which isn’t a govt. office.
As a side issue, the Director of the Hawaii Dept. of records said she can verify she saw the long form on record. But the office says it was destroyed years ago when they went digital. Que?
A parting slam:
DNA doesn’t show natural born status, dipshiat. That is a legal issue, not a biological one.
Saltyron on July 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM
This should add an interesting twist to this debate.
Here is a piece about how attorney’s associated with Obama were investigating the “citizenship-issue” and ways around it, in 2006.
http://mitchell-langbert.blogs…..plant.html
Millions of dollars spent on lawyers to prevent anyone from obtaining ANY records pertaining to his past. A hard-core campaign of ridicule and marginalization waged against ANY critics, and now evidence that Team Obama was looking for ways to circumvent the citizenship issue as early as ’06. This will be Obama’s “Watergate.” May I suggest that we begin to use the term “Certifi-gate”
badcrow on July 28, 2009 at 11:47 AM
The link isn’t working. Sounds interesting.
Lessee.
Obama tries to find ways around the citizenship requirement
He seals all his records
No one conclusively vets him for president.
OK, nothing to see here, move along, we just gave a guy a half million megatons of warheads on his “I sez so”.. Let’s go after Sarah Palin for being a quitter or sumptin.
bullseye on July 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Needs more exclamation marks.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM
The Obama and the Dems are trying to distract us with the birther issue. Let’s focus on fighting the crapsandwiches in Congress.
atheling on July 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Ooops, Obama and the Dems…
atheling on July 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM
OK…so the State of Hawaii destroyed all their copies. What about the one given to Obama’s mom as his own personal copy? That’s what people are waving at town hall meetings, not a government copy.
/pot stirrer
James on July 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Yes, we can make up a derogatory term to be used to ridicule Americans who are interested in finding out if their President is legally eligible to serve. Let’s call them “birthers” ’cause it’s an obvious play on “truthers” , it will be easier to ridicule and marginalize these people if the mainstream public sees them as crazy. Let’s say they’re insane, draw connections between them and truly wacked out things–this will discredit them entirely.
Sounds like a page from the Kremlin Propaganda playbook. Or Goebbels, for that matter (make the lie really big, mein Fuhrer!)
Boy, the Comrades in power sure are putting a lot of effort to conceal access to all of Mr. Soerto’s records. They’re also spending a lot of money on lawyers who obsfucate, misdirect and attack critics.
Wanna put this to rest?
Wanna prove that all of the good citizens are really crazy, just like you say they are!
THEN SHOW US THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
That seems to be a lot easier, and cheaper than the actions they are taking now. Why not just end “CERTIFI-GATE” right now? Why would you logically let this crisis continue when you could presumably end it with the stroke of a pen, and a quick phone call. Could it be that Comrade Soerto does not have one to show? Could it be that America has been OBAMBOOZLED!
Where’s Woodward and Bernstien when you need ‘em. Someone to expose CERTIFI-GATE.
badcrow on July 28, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Any relative or friend could have placed that announcement.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Oh sure…grandma calls in and wants to put in a birth announcement and theb someone at the paper tells her to get lost-they only get their information from zee state!
Do these two newspapers wait for the state of Hawaii to tell them what classifieds and other announcements to put in? Have they really been that lazy and inept over the last 50 years? I guess it’s only these two newspapers in the entire GD country that won’t just let anybody call in and print stuff on the Holy of Holies-the friggin’ classified page of all places.
Someone from one of those papers said in a WND article that they don’t have a birth announcement editor. Well, no $hit…I thought for sure they were paying someone 80K a year just to do that. I bet they have someone run to your house and make sure that old washing machine you listed in their classified actually works, too.
Google it, pal. There’s been several Libtards including Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod who have said they’ve seen the original birth certificate…calling them liars, huh? HUH? Don’t know what universe you live in but all the original records are still warehoused. It’s just more convenient (duh) for them to pull up the info from a data bank and spit it out.
Not too bright, are you?
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 28, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Oh, Christ, no…
…that’s it. Treach, I’m with ya. Release the certificate, and stop suppressing us!
MadisonConservative on July 28, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Nothing Gibbs says could convince me of anything either
entagor on July 29, 2009 at 8:53 AM
The ONLY way you lose citizenship is to renounce it, and doing according to a certain procedure. You do not just lose it. Nor does having a foreign parent do anything.
Its like you Birthers are throwing as many unrelated and even contradictory things against the wall, praying something will happen to be true.
Some of you are saying he was not born here, so cant be Pres.
Some of you are saying he was, but has a foreign parent, so cant be Pres
Or that you read he lost he citizenship, so cant be Pres either.
Obviously he cant have both been born here and born in Kenya, and unless baby Barack renounced his US Citizenship, and unless he did that, nor did he lose it either.
firepilot on July 29, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Well, since we’ve seen images posted here on HotAir of the long-form birth certificates for a pair of twins born the day AFTER Obama’s birthday, in the same Kapiolani hospital that Obama acknowledges as the place of his birth, I’m going to have to doubt this assertion of yours.
Long-form certificates existed, and certified copies of them have been made available in every year since then.
Yet, oddly, it seems that the Hawaii Homelands program specifically asks people to submit their long-form copies instead of the COLB. Why would they ask for such a thing if it doesn’t exist?
You’ve claimed that long-form documents “don’t exist”, further that no such document has any more information than a COLB, yet you also claim that they are backed up on microfiche. How can something that never existed be backed up on microfiche?
If a court in Hawaii today issues an order for someone to produce a certified copy of the original “vault” birth certificate, perhaps as part of a custody dispute when certain facts are in contention, how do you think someone would comply with that order? Do you think they would throw themselves on the mercy of the court, because they cannot possibly comply?
I don’t. I think they’d do what happens on a regular basis in Hawaii. They’d go to the Department of Health, and the Department would print for them a copy of what is on the microfiche, and then sign and certify it as an accurate copy of the original vital record.
The moment they do so, there is a DOCUMENT which has more information on it than a COLB. It is a document which contains an image of a doctor’s signature, along with that doctor’s name.
What did you think happened when a court wanted to see these vital records? Did you think that court was adjourned while they all relocated to the Department of Health, to crowd around a microfiche viewer, because damn it all, we just don’t have the technology to PRINT from one?
Your representations and notions about the reality of what was, is, and will continue to be the case in Hawaii are simply nonsensical. They are directly contradicted by the facts that we have all seen. Do us all a favor, and leave off already.
Long-form records DO exist in Hawaii, they DO contain information not on a COLB, and they CAN be printed out and certified as accurate copies of the unedited archival record.
To state otherwise is to demonstrate a staggering level of ignorance.
VekTor on July 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM
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