Gibbs on Birthers: Nothing will convince them
posted at 4:14 pm on July 27, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via Breitbart, I’m pretty sure an original long-form birth certificate would do the trick — for a while, until amateur Photoshoppers inevitably “discover” that the long-form’s also a forgery. Of course, according to CNN’s research, the original was discarded when Hawaii’s Health Department went paperless eight years ago, so there may be no long-form still available to produce. Even so, whatever they have on record is sufficient to warrant an official state certificate attesting to his birth in Honolulu, which is good enough for me and for 95 percent of the rest of the population although YMMV.
I do a lot of dumping on Birthers so in the spirit of reconciliation I’ll direct you to the most credible person on their side that I know, the always thoughtful and insightful Tom Maguire, whose front page currently features three posts on the subject. You’ll find the crux of his argument here, explaining that the Dunham family had a perfectly sound motive at the time to claim little Barack was American-born even if he wasn’t — namely, that it might give them leverage in a future custody battle with Obama’s father if he decided to try to have the matter heard in Kenyan courts. Interesting theory, although I’d be curious to know how prevalent that sort of shrewd legal maneuvering was in the 1960s between couples of diverse citizenship. Was it par for the course or were the Dunhams just unusually savvy about family law? And even if Maguire’s right and it turned out that the only evidence for Obama being born in Hawaii were affidavits signed by his mother and grandparents, where would that leave Birthers then? All three are dead; there’s no obvious way to impeach their testimony short of finding a Kenyan birth certificate, which would itself immediately be challenged as a forgery by The One’s defenders. So what’s the point?
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Typical comment from a supresser. Have any proof of that 95% figure or did you just make that up?
According to a recent AOL poll 82% of Americans want him to release it.
So much for your 95% BS.
Enough of your lies and made up statistics. Cover the issue fairly you f@#$ing hack.
Fire Allah!
Mr Purple on July 27, 2009 at 7:41 PM
any change would be stamped and noted.
right2bright on July 27, 2009 at 7:34 PM
>>>>
Noted on the microfiche? So if these were microfiched in 2001 and amended in, say, 2007 nothing would show on the microfiche which you say Fukino referred to having personally looked at?
Where could you see in one glance all the history of the birth certificate – as, for instance, what happened when Barack Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and became an Indonesian citizen?
What protections are in place to prevent electronic records from being tampered with? Is there any tamper-proof record of who changed what and when? The thought of electronic-only records is very scary because it is SO easy to manipulate data electronically.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 7:41 PM
AOL POLLS = REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLING OF AMERICANS!!!
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I would add that people were making fun of some Congressmen who were forwarding a bill to just force future Presidential nominees to officially register the documents establishing their eligibility. Just a bill requiring future Presidential candidates to file their qualifying documentation before running. Who could be against that? Well, that was the point of the first Chrissy Matthews Birth Certificate thread here, a little while ago – which also made these same people embarrassed, who are screaming not to check anything, now, and calling people like me, “birthers”. There is no winning with the Suppressor crowd.
progressoverpeace on July 27, 2009 at 7:42 PM
There are questions where the courts are split 5-4, or where the court reverses precedent. And then there are cases like this one that, with the current set of fact, don’t really raise any real questions.
The courts (in the US) are not there to give advisory opinions. What you are asking is really for the court to give an advisory opinion about a non factually existing controversy. Wrong country. You could amend the Constitution if you want to force the SCOTUS to take such questions in consideration (i.e. “what is a natural born citizen” in the abstract), but that’s not the way this court works. You need a real problem, and I’m pretty sure that based on all the evidence, every court will see the COLB, and simply move on.
Seriously, your best bet is to either change the Constitution to define what a natural born citizen is or to change the Constitution to create a way to send it theoritical questions.
mycowardice on July 27, 2009 at 7:45 PM
DasObamaReich on July 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM
I think you’ve got that right. Did you see WorldNetDaily’s article about 6 or 7 people in the administration running all the policy – actually working against the State Dept, for instance, in the negotiations over a US ambassador to Syria? Rahm Emanuel and Dave Axelrod are literally making foreign policy decisions in place of the people who had to be confirmed by Congress to be in the cabinet positions.
At least Obama’s consistent, I guess. He doesn’t violate balance of powers just once or twice, but in absolutely everything he does.
Seems like Dave Axelrod is the president. Maybe he’s TOTUS.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 7:45 PM
How about verifying that a candidate is eligible to be POTUS? How about assuring all those troops wondering if they are comitting war crimes by following the orders of an usurper?
How about holding him to his promise of ‘transparency’
What is the point of NOT releasing it?
Deception. He’s hiding something. He really is ineligible and would be thrown in jail if the truth were ever revealed.
I have no doubt if the long form was released with a birth of Kenya listed and an 8mm home video of the Kenyan birth was recorded Allah still wouldn’t believe it. He’d claim a forgery and a vast right wing conspiracy.
These supressors see conspiracy EVERYWHERE. Even the birthers are a ‘conspiracy against Obama’ – not just concerned American wanting to know their President is actually eligible for the position.
Mr Purple on July 27, 2009 at 7:47 PM
It’s funny, but I would love to see the Constitutionality of such law. That would be the legislative branch encroaching on the Executive branch. Normally, the tool to use would be impeachment. I wonder where this one would fall.
mycowardice on July 27, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Re: my comment at 7:45
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103910
and
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104430
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 7:50 PM
We read all your comments MC. You don’t need to use caps to make a point.
[btw] What gives with this?
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 7:52 PM
If you get a big enough hammer and you pound hard enough, for long enough, you can get them to fit together.
Cheshire Cat on July 27, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Not at all. Interpreting the Constitution is the Court’s job. That’s what I’m asking for.
I disagree. “natural born” meant something and was written for a reason. In the absence of any other defintion for it, it is to the Court to say what that meaning is. It is not the job of Congress to define Constitutional terms, nor of the Executive. Nor does it require an amendment to explain one of the most basic pieces of the Constitution. If the Court comes up with some crazy interpretation, then I would go for an amendment to redefine the eligibility requirements for the Presidency, but that is not necessary to establish what the current rules are, as written and as intended by the writers.
This might have to be done, but if one goes down this path with simple Constitutional clauses, and much writing of the Founders as to their intentions, there is no end to what people might have to “define by amendment” from the original Constitution. It is a perilous path, to me, though it might end up being the only option, depending on how things go.
progressoverpeace on July 27, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Hey Allah, Sarah Palin has a message for you:
I think Hot Air should have higher standards for reporting than just printing s#!t Allah makes up to smear those who disagree with him.
Here is how your quote should read:
Mr Purple on July 27, 2009 at 7:55 PM
I never gave allegiance to Palin, nor any human being. I liked her when she showed up. I still do. However, I don’t hide my eyes when she makes mistakes. I acknowledge them. Some can’t. That’s your call. You really should try talking to me before giving me a pointless lecture that only shows your lack of knowledge of who I am or what I think. I know it’s a sound bite culture, but don’t presume it provides you with my perspective. If you want to keep going OT, use madisonconservativehotair at gmail dot com from now on.
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Romeo13, just wanted to say it before I forget: Thank you for being where our country needed you even when you had every reason to want to be home with your wife helping her give birth to what I’m sure are two wonderful children.
And tell them (wife and kids) thank you for sharing you with the rest of us. It knocks me over every time I think of how much our military people are willing to sacrifice for a sometimes stupid and thankless nation.
My sister put up with a lot while her navy pilot husband was deployed. It’s hard on families, and I really want you all to know the hardship is noted and appreciated.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Thanks… I’ll tell the kids… probably not the X though… LOL…
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Hotair has again gone topsy-turvy with its latest parlour game
Some dress themselves in a Crown of Air and battle Ghosts of Straw that are evermore lame
Ranting on and on about these “bithers” from night to morn
They seem to think that in those who dare to question their new King, the Devil Himself had been reborn
But the Jackanape Suppressors are always runnin’ round with empty blows
It’s unfortunate to note that concern for their increasing sheep like state just grows and grows
PercyB on July 27, 2009 at 8:12 PM
I don’t have an insecure enough ego to need to make fun of the “birthers” and actually feel they have some valid concerns.
With that being said, those of you pushing this are looking for some easy, silver bullet solution to Obama. Unfortunately, one, there is no such thing, and two, even if there were this angle is not it.
Finally, I think those of you that continue to only see a political battle in defeating Obama are totally missing the point. What we need is a social battle against the 52% of the population that put him there. Obama is a symptom…not the root cause.
ClassicCon on July 27, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Ahh, the dregs of the GOP. I wonder how many of these patriotic tin-foil wearing birther idiots are also Palin supporters? I’m guessing 9 out of 10 – if not the GOP dreg pool is even bigger than first thought!
simplesimon on July 27, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Gibbs is wrong. Just show us his birth certificate and his college records and “then we are done”. That’s not too much to ask, is it?
suzyk on July 27, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Obama’s numbers fall and the Democrats bring this up again.
Coincidence?
I guess Democrats don’t do well when talking about policy. No wonder they want to talk about something else.
JohnJ on July 27, 2009 at 8:19 PM
So not only did Democrats create and nurture this, but they’re blaming it on Republicans?
The greatest trick the Democrat attack machine ever pulled was convincing America it didn’t exist.
JohnJ on July 27, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Great: Just what we need now: One of the most stupid and vile trolls evah on HA shows up to shed Light and spread Joy
Janos Hunyadi on July 27, 2009 at 8:23 PM
There is nothing theoretical about it. The dude is acting as POTUS right now. If he is unqualified and acting as POTUS, their is a justiciable controversy. We just need to solve the standing riddle. Maybe Allan Keyes is the key (pun intended). His case has not yet been thrown out on standing issues.
tommylotto on July 27, 2009 at 8:24 PM
I’d have thought it was “lights out time” for you by now.
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Oh….myyyyyy…
On the COLB, those records, like all birth records are highly regarded, and policies are established….however, there is always the possibility that a mechanical microbe could be programmed to enter the files and change the data…nothing is easier then changing data on film.
Ummmmm, this is a record of birth, not a record of their first 4 years of life….are you really this dense?
I think you are a plant to show people how foolish the birthers are. I think you even give birthers a bad name, what were you, kicked out of 9/11 truth squad?
right2bright on July 27, 2009 at 8:25 PM
I don’t give a rat about the birth certificate. He’s already in the White House: that’s even worse already.
newton on July 27, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Pointless lecture? It is perceived by you alone that I was lecturing. I was giving you back your own words to make my point. You called her resignation a mistake, IMO it will be considered it an uncoventional political maneuver. Time and unknown events will tell if Palin recovers from your perceived setback.
As far as the g-mail issue, let me think about that for awhile. It is not that I don’t trust you per se but I don’t have any confidence in your integrity to trust you with any of my personal information. When another Palin thread comes up we may take this conversation forward.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Ummmm. the records can be amended. Are YOU really that dense?
Mr Purple on July 27, 2009 at 8:29 PM
You posted this at 4:14 and just over four hours later you are up to the sixth string of comments. That doesn’t lend itself to your suggestion that this is a dead story.
highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 8:30 PM
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/hawaii-birth-certificates-overview/
Any person to whom a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth has been issued may submit a request to amend an entry, including a legal change of name, on an existing Certificate.
Mr Purple on July 27, 2009 at 8:31 PM
It took me about 20 seconds to make that email address a while ago. Do the same, and take your OT lectures there.
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 8:32 PM
If you look at actual facts, there is a COLB. That’s it. On top of that you lay the clear majority view that being born here is sufficient to be considered natural born, and the issue is closed.
What you really want is the court to engage on a full blown “what is the meaning of natural born”, what do we do when we have a dual citizen, a triple citizen, a person born on military base overseas, etc. The court doesn’t deal with such issues in the abstract.
Like I said earlier, if you are serious about any of that stuff, the logical route is a constitutional amendment, or you’ll have to wait for a really fuzzy case.
mycowardice on July 27, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Since when is “Afro?” All manner of inaccurate names have been applied to the collective of Black Americans, specifically those descending from ancestors held in slavery, bondage or servitude.
Incidentally, I’ve seen “Latino,” “Hispanic,” “European,” “Filipino,” “other” and others listed as options for race — not ethnicity — race.
The Race Card on July 27, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 8:11 PM
I hope it wasn’t the sacrifice you made for the rest of us that made her your X.
That’s what really gets me, when I hear soldiers talking about the number of deployments they’ve been on and assessing whether their marriage will have to be sacrificed if they go again.
Maybe the X is the one who needs to hear it the most. Not suggesting anything or trying to push in. I’m just truly sorry for the costs to the family.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM
How do you birthers explain the Obama birth announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser and Star Bulletin? Think hard, race fans!
simplesimon on July 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Simplesimon at 8:37
All four of my kids’ births were announced in both their parents’ hometown papers even though they were born in another state. Lots of people here have said the same thing. A birth announcement which only gives the name of the parents, a (false) address where the parents live, and the gender of the baby doesn’t prove a whole lot. He was born. We already knew that.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 8:43 PM
I shall repeat an abreviated point from my previous comment. As far as the g-mail issue, let me think about that for awhile. It is not that I don’t trust you per se but I don’t have any confidence in your integrity to trust you with any of my personal information. When another Palin thread comes up we may take this conversation forward.
What part of that didn’t you understand?
If you don’t want to discuss Palin anymore with me on the next Palin thread posted in this Hot Air forum then that is how it will be.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Yes, but another continent? In 1961! Sorry birther, you lose. Good luck finding Vince Foster’s killer!
simplesimon on July 27, 2009 at 8:44 PM
There is a serious problem with the COLB argument.
It’s not enough to get a social security card in IL, and HI when you use it as evidence. You need your actual BIRTH CERTIFICATE for that.
The only thing a COLB certifies is that you were born. It only takes one person to prove that, and that’s the person who was born showing up!
Your point on defining a natural born citizen is well founded however. We’ve never had a dual citizen run until now. It is the legal opinion of some that a dual citizen doesn’t fall under ‘natural born citizen’ category but it’s never been legally defined in court. In light of Obama’s election the only court that would have authority to define that now would be SCOTUS.
They contacted the newspapers and gave them information about their baby boy.
Chaz706 on July 27, 2009 at 8:45 PM
The part where an anonymous email address gives a single bit of your private information away. You think a bit of my information is in the email address I listed?
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Furthermore, this is my take on it: Sometimes I think the birthers are beating a dead horse… until I considered this from a few days ago…
I just got hired for a new job. It’s a 30 hour job and I’m hoping to get full time. When I was hired for the Job, I got 14 days to prove (with legal documentation) that:
(A) I was who I was when I accepted the job offer AND (this is the kicker folks)…
(B) I was eligible to work in the US.
If we as a nations force all companies to enforce this (and I bet we do the same for government jobs) why all of a sudden do some people get trashed for demanding the same documentation from Obama when he got his new job 6 months ago?
If I don’t get this documentation to my employer I get fired.
And I don’t have 6 months to do it either.
Chaz706 on July 27, 2009 at 8:51 PM
I really hope Obama is not choosing to withhold the details of his birth for purely political reasons, i.e., hoping to marginalize people on the right. Intentionally maligning the very people you were entrusted to govern should be beneath the President. But what’s the alternative explanation if he really does have those details–does he think he’s simply above the issue, that he has no obligation to be open about that aspect of his life to American citizens? Don’t get it.
karlant on July 27, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Huh?
warden on July 27, 2009 at 8:54 PM
not to be “that guy”, but do you know if the newspapers have even said they are legit? the ‘clippings’ first popped up on DAILYKOS.
are you sure it’s not another killian documents type forgery? (calm down, not a 1961 conspiracy, but a modern photoshop FORGERY?)
battleoflepanto1571 on July 27, 2009 at 8:55 PM
What else has he done since Jan. 20?
Are you asking if he’s arrogant?
Jim Treacher on July 27, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Oh C’mon Jim… that’s a Rhetorical question and you know it.
Chaz706 on July 27, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Ohhh, a FORGERY! Don’t you think that could be pretty easy to confirm? Sorry, wrong answer. Please resume the search for the WMDs.
simplesimon on July 27, 2009 at 8:58 PM
No, YOU lose, clown. What the hell does another continent have to do with anything? My niece was born in Germany; there was a birth announcement in our local paper here in NC. Why? Because her grandparents(my parents) requested there be one. It’s not rocket science. Grandparents like to do this sort of thing, no matter where the grandchild is born.
xblade on July 27, 2009 at 9:00 PM
The tin-foil set thinks that B. Hussein was born in Kenya or Indonesia. Please try to keep up.
simplesimon on July 27, 2009 at 9:00 PM
I’m sure your bitterness has peaked since the wars’ violence has bottomed out.
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Rejected!! Please log off and go look out for the black helicopters.
simplesimon on July 27, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Just waiting for O’s disciples to admit so much…it’s either political gamesmanship or arrogance. Though, it could be he thinks he’s being unfairly targeted because he’s black and out of principle is refusing to concede…so it could also be delusional stubbornness.
karlant on July 27, 2009 at 9:04 PM
I consider you a “Jack of all trades and a master of none”. You expouse expertise to often for me in arenas where your famous ending statement is normally “game over.” That is how a liberal would behave. Take a good look at Al Gore in the global warming hoax. As far as Gore is concerned the debate is closed hence, “game over.” Open your closed mind a little for debate.
You have lost my confidence MadisonConservative or should I call you MadisonRebel.
If you don’t want to discuss Palin anymore with me on the next Palin thread posted in this Hot Air forum then that is how it will be.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 9:08 PM
All you had to say was either “I don’t know how to make an email address” or “I’m not interested in what you think, just making comments about you”. If it’s the first case, ask. It’s not hard. If it’s any other case, I don’t give a damn about your confidence, because it doesn’t seem to be rooted in anything solid to begin with.
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 9:13 PM
By the way, I’ve said this once. Quit trying to act like it’s a regular thing.
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 9:14 PM
This above quip is just one of the many examples from you that made me lose my confidence in you over time. Keep on digging because when you finally hit bottom there is no where to go but up.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Wow. You must be the pride of the Washington Post.
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 9:31 PM
I don’t doubt it. By that logic I guess BHO was correct when he said the people in Austria speak Austrian. I guess I’m old fashioned. Words mean things.
diogenes on July 27, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Dig, dig and dig.
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 9:40 PM
So, uh, is King Obama ever going to release his birth certificate?
Even if he was removed, we’d still have a Neo President like Biden, Liebermann, or Jewliani.
The Dean on July 27, 2009 at 9:42 PM
You must be the toast of your local MENSA chapter.
Actually I think I was unclear because I presumed your ability to follow the bouncing ball.
I understand the difference between race, ethnicity and nationality. My point was that many bureaucracies do not offer paperwork that signifies their institution’s understanding of race, ethnicity and nationality. All sorts of official forms list all sorts of options one can choose with regard to his/her heritage and background.
The Race Card on July 27, 2009 at 9:44 PM
lame and lamer
The Race Card on July 27, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Dude! The Race Card schooled you!
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2009 at 9:56 PM
?
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM
LOL
Americannodash on July 27, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Still no long form birth certificate.
And I’m still a “birther”.
Tough shit, Allah.
13Girl on July 27, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Where is Fox Mulder when you need him most!
paulsur on July 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Again, Hawaii officials insist the birth cert. exists… yet it remains hidden. How can so many of you be okay with this?
RightWinged on July 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM
SHOW THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!
I was going to say I find it insulting that we couldn’t tell the difference between a 40 something old birth certificate and some crap they just typed up last year…and then I have to think about otherwise sensible people buying the COLB as definitive proof.
Man, I bet these folks are easy to sell cars to.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM
OMG…for the umpteenth time, people sometimes put announcements for births, deaths, engagements, weddings, awards, etc. in their hometown newspapers…this does NOT necessarily mean the events actually happened there!
Also, if you look at the announcement it does not say where Hussein was born, only the date, his parents’ names and their home address in Honolulu. One would certainly assume that the birth was in Honolulu, but without the real birth certificate many of us will not be convinced. Any relative or friend could have placed that announcement.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Those “followers” were Christian also. Kenya’s war last year was a tribal one, not a religious one.
baldilocks on July 27, 2009 at 10:55 PM
No question he’s hiding something … why would anyone spend the kind of money he has spent if they didn’t have something to hide?
redridinghood on July 27, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Keep the faith, birther! Sorry about Ruby Ridge!
simplesimon on July 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM
What? How dare you accuse the great and powerful Obama, you damn birther! Obama was born wherever he says he was born, because he’d never lie to us! Never ever ever never ever! You should be thanking him for hiding his birth certificate and all the rest of his documents, to give you the honor of blindly believing in… Teh 0ne!
Rebar on July 27, 2009 at 11:38 PM
We’ll let you know when you’re in charge.
(hint: not now.)
massrighty on July 27, 2009 at 11:44 PM
HERE IS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, WHY ISN’T THE ONLINE IMAGE GOOD ENOUGH.</strong> I wish I had found this YouTube video a long time ago. It’s well worth the ENTIRE 2 minutes and will answer the question why an online digital image is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. After you’re done- POST YOUR REACTION.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 11:53 PM
God knows the Truth, but waits. One question. Why haven’t we seen a wing at the hospital in Hawaii he was born at dedicated to the one? And where are the attending physicians from his birth and the CNN news conference and interview with them? Anyone know the name of the doctor who delivered him? Wouldn’t they be more than happy that they were part of history?
texaninfidel on July 28, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Yeah, emailing Ed and Allah about that one. You sick freak.
MadisonConservative on July 28, 2009 at 12:09 AM
You should read the rest, and be completely familiar.
Any change made is then stamped (I believe with the word “redacted”, or similar), and the COLB ends up with the original, along with the redacted, fully stamped and identified.
It is almost exclusivily used by native Hawaiian born out of the islands.
You must present your case for the change, along with all documents. It is reviewed and accepted then the amendments are changed on the COLB with the proper notations identifying the exact change.
Sorry to burst your bubble with facts…
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:31 AM
1961 and if the doctor was 40 years old, that makes him 80+ years old and more then likely dead…
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:33 AM
People keep saying that, but never a link as to an actual figure…maybe you could link where you saw he was spending money to hide something that the state by law has to hide….I will wait for you link
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:35 AM
But then it was in the Honolulu Advertiser, and the only way they received those announcements was directly from the Health Services Dept. They didn’t use private announcements in that section, it was created only from official records (by law).
The Star is the one that would place ads, if someone wanted to announcing births.
So, they kind of throws a wrench in that, doesn’t it?
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:39 AM
texaninfidel on July 28, 2009 at 12:06 AM
1961 and if the doctor was 40 years old, that makes him 80+ years old and more then likely dead…
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:33 AM
oh sure. I’m sure everyone who was on the floor that day is dead. Every nurse, etc. Yeah, they did probably die of Starvation or malaria in Kenya.
texaninfidel on July 28, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Did you know that all of that is on electronic filing now? As of 2001 all records are on film or digital…so everything requested after 2001 is “newly” printed. There is no such thing since then as a “long form” or “short form”.
You didn’t know that? Listen I have a car with just 3,000 miles on it….
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Hey troll right bright, where’s the hospital wing named after Obama? If Billy bob clintons two-bit shack in Arkansas is on the map, you would expect the birth hospital of Obama would be renamed. Fraud.
texaninfidel on July 28, 2009 at 12:47 AM
http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/birth-cert-small.jpg
yeah…. obama’s ‘certifcation’ compared to an actual hawaii BC issued in 1961 is like comparing a Denny’s children’s placemat to the complete tax return for Microsoft.
i personally like the obama “no signatures of anyone” motif they have going on….
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Oh man, the guy who thinks the COLB cannot be used to get a drivers license…please call the police department and ask them…for over 50 years that was the only birth certificate offered, millions are driving without a legal license….judges are deciding probate cases based on the “phony” COLB, please call them and inform all the judges and attorneys they just don’t understand the law like you.
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:53 AM
So that is what you are basing your facts on, that a wing was not named after him? That’s your argument?
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:54 AM
If you were 48 years old, and someone went back to the hospital you were born in, the nurses would remember you? The attendants would remember you?
This is your argument, that someone doesn’t remember a person born almost 50 years ago, after maybe 500,000 babies after that was born?
That is what you are basing your argument on?
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:57 AM
He has said he was born in two different hospitals. So which one was it? I was two years after him at columbia and noone knows him there either. It’s not an argument, it’s a question. Given his importance, the birth hospital and attending physicians would have surfaced. Tick tick.
texaninfidel on July 28, 2009 at 1:01 AM
Out of curiosity, is it mandatory to know the name of the hospital someone is born at to be president?
What is the one real important question?
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:03 AM
How many packs a day did your mom smoke while she was pregnant with you?
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 1:07 AM
Sorry, what does insulting my mom have to do with this? I don’t get it.
I asked some guy for something more then “there should be a wing named after him, therefore his can’t be president”, and you come up with something about my mom smoking?
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:10 AM
Sorry, what does insulting my mom have to do with this? I don’t get it.
I asked some guy for something more then “there should be a wing named after him, therefore he can’t be president”, and you come up with something about my mom smoking?
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 1:10 AM
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