CBO strikes back

posted at 12:14 pm on July 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The CBO released a new analysis of the House version of ObamaCare yesterday, after getting blasted by White House budget director Peter Orszag for “exaggerating” the costs associated with the proposal.  Douglas Elmendorf tells Rep. Dave Camp (R), the ranking member of the Ways and Means Committee, that the changes proposed by the White House will have little impact on their cost analysis, and that in fact the news gets worse in the second decade after the first runs up a $239 billion deficit:

The net cost of the coverage provisions would be growing at a rate of more than 8 percent per year in nominal terms between 2017 and 2019; we would anticipate a similar trend in the subsequent decade. The reductions in direct spending would also be larger in the second decade than in the first, and they would represent an increasing share of spending on Medicare over that period; however, they would be much smaller at the end of the 10-year budget window than the cost of the coverage provisions, so they would not be likely to keep pace in dollar terms with the rising cost of the coverage expansion. Revenue from the surcharge on high-income individuals would be growing at about 5 percent per year in nominal terms between 2017 and 2019; that component would continue to grow at a slower rate than the cost of the coverage expansion in the following decade. In sum, relative to current law, the proposal would probably generate substantial increases in federal budget deficits during the decade beyond the current 10-year-budget window.

In other words, that $239 billion in Decade 1 was actually the good news.  Why will it get worse?

As long as overall spending for health care continued to expand as a share of the economy, people’s share of insurance costs would continue to rise faster than their income, or the government’s subsidy costs would continue to rise faster than the tax base, or both. The proposal limits the share of income that eligible people would have to pay when they purchased coverage in the insurance exchanges, and that share of income would not change over time. In addition, insurance plans offered through the exchanges would be required to pay a specified share of costs for covered services (on average), and that share also would not change over time. Combining those provisions, increases in health care spending in excess of the rate of growth in income would be borne entirely by the federal government in the form of higher subsidy payments—because those payments would have to cover the entire difference between the total premium for insurance coverage and the capped amount that enrollees would pay.

It’s not exactly rocket-science mathematics on display here.  If costs go up but premiums and health-insurance payments are capped, guess who pays for the rising costs?  The federal government.  The Obama administration will claim that they’ve capped costs and people will see their direct payments to health insurers and providers remain fixed, but the government will have to enact massive tax hikes to pay the back-end costs — which will come out of everyone’s pockets.  Either that, or the government will have to sharply ration care — which the Obama administration denies will happen.

Obviously, the White House attempt at public intimidation didn’t cause Elmendorf to flinch.  Instead, his report will give ObamaCare opponents in the House, Democrats included, ammunition to demand a return to the drawing board.

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Sack Obama health dictatorship.

maverick muse on July 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

This fight is getting good.

And on that note I’m off to take the Oklahoma bar exam. See you guys on Wednesday. Hopefully I’ll join the ranks of Constitutionally-minded lawyers and we can have some sanity in politics.

Meric1837 on July 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Or, we could quickly pass a bill that requires emergency room patients to provide their SS number. Run a credit report, and bill citizens who can pay, enroll citizens who cannot pay in medicaid, and turn away those who won’t provide ID.

Vashta.Nerada on July 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Ogabe wants to talk to Elmendorf’s mama out on the porch.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Oy Vey!

cmsinaz on July 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM

The real question is whether the Obama “administration” has a shred of credibility on anything, remaining.

Even their supporters know that the Obama-ites do nothing but lie to the American people, they are just enraged that we don’t accept the spin any longer.

NoDonkey on July 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Or, we could quickly pass a bill that requires emergency room patients to provide their SS number. Run a credit report, and bill citizens who can pay, enroll citizens who cannot pay in medicaid, and turn away those who won’t provide ID.

Vashta.Nerada on July 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Heck, we do not even do that for elections! Obviously racism is at work here.

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Instead, his report will give ObamaCare opponents in the House, Democrats included, ammunition to demand a return to the drawing board.

Hehehehehe

FontanaConservative on July 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I think by the end of today we’ll this bill move into reconcilliation.

Many Congress-critters will not survive a yes vote so they need a way out.

Nancy’s scrotum-inflator crowd will not notice, nor care.

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I need to grab some popcorn and a lawn chair because this will be entertaining.

teke184 on July 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

That’s pretty funny. Barry tries to intimidate the CBO and they’re not playing. Barry invites Crowley for a brewski and the Cambridge PD is going to release the tapes. Barry, this is going to be a long week for you, Bud.

kingsjester on July 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Heck, we do not even do that for elections! Obviously racism is at work here.

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Yeah, I was going to offer a parallel, but then realized that the analogy wouldn’t work except for a few states – and those are being challenged in court.

Vashta.Nerada on July 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM

teke184 on July 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

May I join you? I’ll bring the drinks.

FontanaConservative on July 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM

obama has to say uncle at some point.

Good Luck Meric1837

trailortrash on July 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Sack Obama health dictatorship.

maverick muse on July 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

FIFY

Daggett on July 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM

NoDonkey on July 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM
—–
Too many Americans are not hearing this stuff.

Thank the media, or “politics-fatigue” following what was surely one of the stranger and most heavily followed presidential campaigns in history. Maybe it’s because the kiddoes are underfoot and the adults don’t want to watch the (too depressing!) evening news. Maybe too many are enjoying funemployment.

I’m surprised the numbers are as high (on the disapproval side) as they are… Once America starts paying attention again, after Labor day, it’ll toggle over fast.

Mew

acat on July 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Don’t let facts get in the way of making history or teaching moments.

Mr. Joe on July 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Maybe Obama can use this as a teachable moment? I see some heavy word calibrating going to happen right quick…

Wyznowski on July 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Die you treacherous bill DIE!!

HoustonRight on July 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM

It just keeps getting better.

marmaran on July 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM

May I join you? I’ll bring the drinks.

FontanaConservative on July 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Sure. I’ll take some Jim or some Crown if you’ve got it.

teke184 on July 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Teaching moments and legislation based on lies are generally bad things.

Mr. Joe on July 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Here’s my only problem with this. The general public has no idea what the CBO is. And you can’t rely on lefty bloggers, etc. to tell people about it. So when people on the right try and pass on the information, it’s easy for those unscrupulous lefties to pass it off as some “Republican book-cooking”, etc.

I guess we can just keep trying to hammer it home until enough people realize the seriousness.

Abby Adams on July 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Too many Americans are not hearing this stuff.

That’s because they’re busy trying to find a job.

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM

obama has to say uncle at some point.

Good Luck Meric1837

trailortrash on July 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Since Obama sees Jeremiah Wright as an uncle…I’m not sure that’s such a good thing. LOL

Good luck Meric1837!

ihasurnominashun on July 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I think by the end of today we’ll this bill move into reconcilliation.

Many Congress-critters will not survive a yes vote so they need a way out.

The nuclear option. We’ll see.

JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

“The Prussians are back Mr. Emperor!”

“Oh crap…” – Barack Bonaparte

forest on July 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Mathematics is below Barry’s paygrade.

I think by the end of today we’ll this bill move into reconcilliation.
BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I hope you’re wrong, but I think you may be right. Those Cambridge PD tapes are being released, that I’m listening to right now on Fox.

Our eye is off the ball again.

Knucklehead on July 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

“The CBO acted stupidly.”

Bishop on July 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Yeah Ed, THIS is a teachable moment, not OGABE’S phony racist set-up.

JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Obviously, the White House attempt at public intimidation didn’t cause Elmendorf to flinch. Instead, his report will give ObamaCare opponents in the House, Democrats included, ammunition to demand a return to the drawing board.

Thank god this dude is doing his job. Not like we couldnt figure this out but nobody can say they werent warned now.

Dash on July 27, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Sad to say, but the numbers won’t matter: the Dems, “blue dogs” included, are not going to allow Ogabe’s presidency to fail this early on – they will shove this monstrous bill down our throats, one way or the other.

The GOP lost on this one when they decided they could not afford to be the “party of No”. They should have de-bunked the myth of the “47 million uninsured” and stood fast on the fact that over 80% of the population is satisfied with their healthcare.

Liars and frauds on one side.

Idiots and cowards on the other.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Elmendorf to Obama: Let me be perfectly clear – I won.

BPD on July 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

BPD on July 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

tee hee :-)

cmsinaz on July 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

When will the AMA come out and say there were wrong?

How much did Obama pay them?

Probably used “stimulus” money for the payoff……

izoneguy on July 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I really hope that guy has a remote starter for his car.

Mr. Bingley on July 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

ObamaCare=crash and burn

cmsinaz on July 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM

We’ll pass it anyway.

/house

LibTired on July 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I want public option. So far, I’m not impressed with the house version.

However, I do want public option.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

With both houses of Congress firmly in the hands of Ogabe. Along with of course the White House and the State Controlled Media – and a good portion of the judiciary.

Who would have thought that the “check and balance” would be supplied by the CBO?

HondaV65 on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Who really knows how bad these numbers really are? The fact is when the CBO Director had his “Beer Summit” with the Prez (uck,uck) it may have actually impacted the report in a positive way. Looks like he needs a “Jack Daniels” or “Smith & Wesson” Summit to get this guy in line.

We’re talking Chicago Politics here!

SayNo2-O on July 27, 2009 at 12:35 PM

“the proposal would probably generate substantial increases in federal budget deficits during the decade beyond the current 10-year-budget window.”

Silly CBO. They are assuming everyone who gets sick gets treatment. They aren’t taking into account Obama’s plan to kill off people who use the most services.

crosspatch on July 27, 2009 at 12:35 PM

There’s that girl with the kielbasa-legs again….time for lunch

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM

However, I do want public option.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Do your Dem friends hand you a cracker each time you say that? Public Option…grraaakk!

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Elmendorf to Obama: Let me be perfectly clear – I won.

+1

Idfaciam on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Why do I smell defense cuts as a way to pay for this HC disaster?

Bishop on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

I think Obama has blown this big-time. He basically let the idiots in Congress turn this into some kind of odd circus.

I never thought he was the one to push this through. I always thought Hillary was the one.

This public option is a passion of mine. I totally support it.

It makes me ill to see what’s happening.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

However, I do want public option.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Here’s a good option, available to the public – buy your own damn insurance.

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

It makes me ill to see what’s happening.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Better buy some insurance then

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I want people wealthier than me to pay for my health care. So far, I’m not impressed with the house version.

However, I do want people wealthier than me to pay for my health care.

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Why do I smell defense cuts as a way to pay for this HC disaster?

Bishop on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Naw, Bwaney Fwank already has plans for those cuts – wants to build “affordable housing” for Peggy the Moocher and her ilk.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I want a pony

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:41 PM

CBO strikes back

Better headline: “Accountant vs. No-account”

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Never fear, as Ed says, Faithonomics will fix it.

Y’all just gotta have faith…

TinMan13 on July 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM

It makes me ill to see what’s happening.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Maybe you should take some painkillers.

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM

But, but our liberal trolls have said time and time again that it would decrease costs and not be subsidized. Fair competition. Were they lying or something?

lorien1973 on July 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Good for the CBO for doing the job that they are paid to do!

If this is such a great plan, why are the unions and Congress exempt from it?

Pam on July 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I want a pony

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Obama Victory Pony?

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

CBO is in the pocket of Big Tonsil!

lorien1973 on July 27, 2009 at 12:44 PM

However, I do want public option.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Here’s a good option, available to the public – buy your own damn insurance.

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

“Public Option” does not mean FREE. Once the Government destroys the healthcare insurance industry then the government will charge what it wants.
It will also raise taxes & fees and other charges that no one will have any control over. Once doctors experience ObamaCare up close & personal then I fear the rats will be jumping from a sinking ship.

izoneguy on July 27, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Obama Victory Pony?

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

AAAHHHHH…IT BURNS! MY EYES! IT BURNS!!!!!!!

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM

This drama is so delicious.

I’m totally bringing popcorn for everyone at Hot Air!

flyawaybird on July 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Going commando on horseback is so not cool

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:46 PM

It makes me ill to see what’s happening.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Maybe you should take some painkillers.

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Nah, I think she needs a tonsillectomy. Cha-ching!!!!

LibTired on July 27, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Lets see the numbers from Obama’s entrails-reading augurs.

If you don’t like his numbers, he can some better numbers from his pet economist
Rosie Scenario She is spot on.

seven on July 27, 2009 at 12:46 PM

“Public Option” does not mean FREE.

izoneguy on July 27, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Congrats on figgerin’ that out

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:47 PM

However, I do want public option.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

it’s so sad that you still can’t see that what you have is a much better option to any kind of oboobi care that the demonrats can come up with…..

SHARPTOOTH on July 27, 2009 at 12:48 PM

One thing is a lead-pipe cinch: In ten years there will be so much blame to heap on Obama for the out-year costs of these awful proposals that his legacy, whatever else he might accomplish, will be trashed. These are things we know, and that everyone now knows he knows:

* Obamacare’s second decade of costs rapidly accelerate over the first;
* Cap-and-trade’s real costs don’t emerge until decade 2 of that policy.

What the hell is any President elected in 2016 supposed to do with that kind of inheritance? And how DARE Obama blame Bush for anything, with what he’s got in store for later administrations?

Finally, Ed, a tactical note: The CBO is not retaliating here, it’s doing its job. Putting this in a tit-for-tat framing really undercuts the important work CBO is doing.

DrSteve on July 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM

I want public option. So far, I’m not impressed with the house version.

However, I do want public option.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Can I recommend Canada, Cuba, or the UK? If I were you, I’d pick Canada; that way you won’t have to change your ID.

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Going commando on horseback is so not cool

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Especially on a horse with a big friggen horn.

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Abort the unborn, euthanize the old, give the savings to your Democrat voters, and a little for you and your cronies, who is going to notice.

tarpon on July 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I hope he doesn’t have a “Vince Foster” moment.

behiker on July 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM

However, I do want public option.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

It won’t take long before it isn’t an option, just a mandate.

a capella on July 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM

obama has to say uncle at some point.

He can’t and he won’t. He can’t because he needs a win here since it became his signature legislation. He’s ultimately going to pass some version of healthcare reform (there are aspects of reform that everybody is pretty much in agreement about) but he totally blew it when he left it to Congressional Democrats to write the legislation instead of becoming more involved from the beginning.

He won’t because he is an arrogant prick. His pride would never allow him to say “nice try kids but let’s start over again and get this right.” He went on tv last Wednesday because he thought his charisma alone would get the phones ringing in Congress with Americans demanding passage of healthcare reform before August was over.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 12:52 PM

I want public option. So far, I’m not impressed with the house version.

However, I do want public option.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Gimme gimme gimme, I need I need I need I need! /Nation of Bob Wileys

Here’s a compromise: Create your glorious public option, regulate and ration that care and don’t force any doctor, patient or hospital to participate, tax only those who opt for the public option to pay for it, and then deregulate the private health care market.

Rae on July 27, 2009 at 12:53 PM

This fight is getting good.

And on that note I’m off to take the Oklahoma bar exam. See you guys on Wednesday. Hopefully I’ll join the ranks of Constitutionally-minded lawyers and we can have some sanity in politics.

Meric1837 on July 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Hey, good luck. We need more conservative lawyers. Make Mark Levin your example.

TXMomof3 on July 27, 2009 at 12:54 PM

However, I do want public option.
AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Unconstitutional, and in my humble opinion, unAmerican.

BPD on July 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Why do I smell defense cuts as a way to pay for this HC disaster?

Bishop on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Naw, Bwaney Fwank already has plans for those cuts – wants to build “affordable housing” for Peggy the Moocher and her ilk.

guntotinglibertarian on July 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Lord help us all. Part of the reason why the military has been streched so thin in Iraq and Afghanistan is because Clinton declared a peace dividend.

highhopes on July 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Elmendorf better watch his back. I hope he has his family in a safe place.

Meric1837 — good luck on your exam.

AZCoyote on July 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Jimmy Carter caught “dancing a jig” in his living room after watching C-SPAN.

Spokepersons’ say he “feels as if a great weight has been lifted off his shoulders”……

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I want a pony

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:41 PM

You are killing me. How am I supposed to act like I’m working while I am laughing? You are going to get me in trouble.

TXMomof3 on July 27, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Just e-mailed my Rep to remind him Obamacare is nothing but pathetic pork.

…best be getting on the phones soon…

Upstater85 on July 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Especially on a horse with a big friggen horn.

WashJeff on July 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Only if it’s bigger than yours.

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM

I think by the end of today we’ll this bill move into reconcilliation.

Many Congress-critters will not survive a yes vote so they need a way out.

Nancy’s scrotum-inflator crowd will not notice, nor care.

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

They can’t take it to reconciliation unless it is revenue-neutral, as defined by the CBO. They can’t count imaginary savings from people getting healthier either. So they would have to include a MASSIVE tax increase to make it revenue-neutral.

Unless they muscle through a rule change on reconciliation rules. I don’t think even Pelosi can get away with that.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Meric1837 on July 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Mass amounts of good vibes and prayers coming your way.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM

You shine.

JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:58 PM

It makes me ill to see what’s happening.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Finally, a Lib-Troll comment from this ditz that I can agree with. It’s making me ill too, Ann.

But the voters will fix this.

Jaibones on July 27, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Can I recommend Canada, Cuba, or the UK? If I were you, I’d pick Canada; that way you won’t have to change your ID.

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM

LOL!

JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Maybe Obama can use this as a teachable moment? I see some heavy word calibrating going to happen right quick…

Wyznowski on July 27, 2009 at 12:25 PM

WASHINGTON, D.C. July 29, 2009: Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf was severely injured this morning in a collision with a Washington D.C. school bus which ran a red light. The driver of the bus, a member of the Secret Service who has requested anonymity, was unhurt in the accident, and blamed the accident on brake failure. An initial police report stating that the bus was traveling 57 miles per hour at the time of impact was discredited by the Justice Department, whose spokesman said that Capitol Police had acted “stupidly”. Mr. Elmendorf is in stable condition, and doctors in two months by September 28, after the anticipated passage of the health-care reform bill by Congress. President Obama extended his regrets for this unfortunate accident, and has invited Mr. Elmendorf for a beer at the bill-signing ceremony at the White House.

Steve Z on July 27, 2009 at 12:59 PM

In bocca al lupo, Meric!

DrSteve on July 27, 2009 at 12:59 PM

If I were Elmendorf’s wife, I’d start checking my car brakes on a daily basis.

angryed on July 27, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Unconstitutional, and in my humble opinion, unAmerican.

BPD on July 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Seconded….but with no humility whatsoever ;)

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 1:00 PM

They can’t take it to reconciliation unless it is revenue-neutral, as defined by the CBO. They can’t count imaginary savings from people getting healthier either. So they would have to include a MASSIVE tax increase to make it revenue-neutral.

rockmom on July 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM

No way. THAT would never happen.

BobMbx on July 27, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Bishop on July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

I heard Mr. Frank talking about those cuts last week. What is it with Dems that they want to cut finances to constitutionally mandated responsibilities then push unconstitution programs on the taxpayers?

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM

JiangxiDad on July 27, 2009 at 12:58 PM

You twinkle

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Simple. They are all traitors seeking to usurp the Constitution.

LimeyGeek on July 27, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I think the populist movement should embrace public option. Really.

Obama’s best message was how this supports small business. He stole that. The no message from the GOP has confirmed for many that they are not about small business.

Mistake.

AnninCA on July 27, 2009 at 1:03 PM

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