Birthermania: House Democrat to introduce resolution on Obama being born in Hawaii
posted at 6:04 pm on July 27, 2009 by Allahpundit
Another time-wasting resolution in the House, but unlike McCotter’s, this one’s at least smart politics. How many Republicans will choke on it?
The measure Abercrombie will introduce commemorates the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood. But here’s the rub, his spokesman tells me: It describes Hawaii as Barack Obama’s birthplace.
“In the language of the resolution, there is a statement that Hawaii is the birthplace of the 44th President of the United States,” Abercrombie spokesman Dave Helfert confirms.
That confronts House GOPers with a choice: They can vote for the measure, and endorse the idea that Obama was born in Hawaii, which could earn the wrath of birthers. Or they can vote against commemorating the 50th state’s joining of our blessed Union. Or GOPers can skip the vote, but that could look nutty.
“Far be it from us to try to stir things up,” Helfert said puckishly.
Dude, what if Ron Paul votes yes? Would that mean Birtherism’s too kooky even for the rEVOLution? Exit question: There’s going to be a full-fledged “Produce the Birth Certificate” third party once 2012 rolls around, isn’t there? And when they’re not allowed to participate in any of the televised debates, they’re going to whine forever.
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So now this apparently has become an argument over the meaning of my handle?
Which has nothing to do with the Service and everything to do with Phish.
Go find the announcement I made for every birther stuck on this very important point about my handle.
(BTW – the fact that you birthers are now ignoring the valid COLB (which no birther has refuted) and are attacking me is the suggestive of the fact that you have nothing to support your “theories.”)
QED
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Well… Im a retired CPO… and I think most, if not all, Lts still have a lot to learn…
Of course… I also once worked on an Adm. staff… staff pukes, so that may have colored my opinion…
Now, I do still think my oath is in effect, to protect and defend the constitution, against all enemies Foreign AND DOMESTIC… so maybe that colors my view of this Constitutional question as well.
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 9:52 PM
In Fraud Lieutenant’s world everything is daily Kos coco for coco puffs propaganda nonsense. Nothing is what it is because everything is what it isn’t. And contrary-wise; what it is it can’t be, and what it can’t be, it is. You see?
Cheshire Cat on July 27, 2009 at 9:52 PM
You’ve demonstrated quite nicely for everyone what stupidity looks like:
Thanks for the clarification.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Sorry, but once again how is this online doc a VALID COLB?
Repeating a disprooven meme time and again, does not make it true.
All we’re saying is let the COURTS take a look at the evidence.
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 9:53 PM
I really didnt want to yank your covers and make a fool (well actually expose you for the fool that you are) out of you, but you left me no choice…
doriangrey on July 27, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Than enlighten me oh mighty birhter.
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 9:54 PM
The most dangerous thing in the world is a second lieutenant with a map and a compass.
Murphy9 on July 27, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Birthers: FOCUS
The argument is about this COLB, which you have not refuted or invalidated, but are claiming is “not enough” or “invalid” or “fraudulent.”
It is not about Good LTs or Bad Cpls or namecalling or my handle and it’s profound meaning for the conservative movement or…whatever. You lost track of what the thread topic is because you’ve all still presented exactly zero evidence supporting your conspiracy theories, and hence, are unmoored from reality.
Tough staying focused through all the schoolyard insults, isn’t it?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 9:48 PM
What is required according to state laws is that the candidate for president sign a legal document saying they are a natural-born citizen and meet the other requirements to be eligible to be president. Obama did that at least twice. Those are legal documents. If he lied on them he is guilty of multiple cases of perjury.
It is within the jurisdiction of law enforcement to check vital documents if there is just reason to suspect a crime.
Intent to deceive is indicated by his posting a forged COLB online and then repeatedly referencing it as being real.
Audio tapes of Sarah Obama saying she was there at Obama’s birth and of Ambassador Ogego saying Obama’s birthplace in Kenya is well-known indicate that the information he gave is suspect.
And his conflicting statements about which hospital he was born at – including a signed letter he sent to Kapiolani Hospital on White House stationery with raised seal – indicate that he doesn’t even have his own testimony internally consistent.
At this point law enforcement should be able to get a warrant to look at all his documentation and find out if crimes have been committed.
This isn’t political. This is an issue of potential criminal behavior. Law enforcement has no excuse to ignore this.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Is that what you call verbal fecal matter like this?
Cripes. You sound like greyrooster.
Whatever it is you thought you were “demonstrating” about me, it really demonstrated far more about you than I ever could.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM
At the minimum it is a change of pace from your bringing up the same “points” over and over and over again and people shooting them down over and over and over again.
Murphy9 on July 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I would suggest you try reading Article II. Section 1 of the US Constitution, but that’s obviously asking way to much of you.
doriangrey on July 27, 2009 at 9:59 PM
File a lawsuit, then.
Get them on it. If it’s tossed, file another one.
Don’t let it go. It’s that important, right?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Enlighten everyone.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:00 PM
LOL…. its like the time I went to the Skeet range, and the machine was broken… still sent up the clay, but always at the same speed, same angle… got really bored after a bit…
Romeo13 on July 27, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Cripes and you sound like a fool unable to see your own logic thrown back in your face like so much monkey feces at the Zoo…
doriangrey on July 27, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Oh?
And which points have you brave Birthers “shot down?”
All I’ve done is cited a document you can’t refute or invalidate that smashes the conspiracy theory, and it seems to be driving several of you off your nut.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Why? Are you suddenly threatening to develop an ability to comprehend what you read???
doriangrey on July 27, 2009 at 10:02 PM
I am guessing from your handle that you are Navy. No offense to anyone else in the Navy, but when is the last time you fought? World War II?
Murphy9 on July 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 9:45 PM
You did it again. You absolutely will not address the Globe/National Enquirer photo of Michael Jackson with 200 heads marrying Joan of Arc issue.
You have one argument and it relies on you never, EVER having to consider that online images alone can’t be trusted to prove anything.
I hate to say it, but you seem incredibly gullible to me.
And for someone who wants to be in on the debate you sure have no interest in actually addressing content.
Do you understand that there is a difference between presenting a 3D legal document to a judge and showing your thingy to some friends and having them photograph it, enlarge it, and then post it online?
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM
LOL
Don’t ever change, dg. In fact, keep insulting me – it’s strengthening your case with each heroically-thrusted schoolyard barb.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Lawsuits have been filed. But I can’t file a criminal lawsuit. I can’t throw anybody in jail. The FBI is SUPPOSED to be investigating this, according to a request by a US senator. But last I knew they were holding up the whole process.
If I was a US attorney would I have a valid reason to investigate potential perjury? Is your gripe with us because we’re not law enforcement personnel and we’re wanting law enforcement to do their jobs? I just don’t get what your gripe is.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Did the moon landing happen?
All we have are images and “broadcasts.” None of use, save the three “alleged astronauts” were actually “allegedly” there.
Did Georgw Washington actually sign the Declartaion or Independence? Nobody alive was there to see him do it or to verify that it happened. All we have are “stories” and “history” and “primary documents.”
Now, have you shown why this is not a document that can be considered valid?
If not, then get to work.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Look in the mirror you fool…
doriangrey on July 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM
I am sure you have some LEO’s in your ranks, lets do this….
I stand by the fact that if this case has sooooo much merit they would be able to wrangle up someone who didnt get their law degree from an internet law school to represent them. I know lawyers, I work with them every day, some good attorney would jump on this for pure fame if it had any legs.
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM
He is afraid that the thug in charge will go to prison for fraud and he will cease receiving a weekly paycheck.
doriangrey on July 27, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Damn government bureaucracy.
Regardless, I suppose we wouldn’t be able to trust any information that would come out in the course of an “investigation” from such a entity, either.
Right? Consistency?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM
It is not valid because it is an online image.
What is that, the hundredth time you have heard it? You’re really looking stupid because you act like we haven’t said it, and we’re all saying it to you OVER and OVER and OVER.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Just listen to everything doriangrey says.
He’s right about everything and makes it easy for the rest of us.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM
If they come up with documents that are legal-quality evidence, free of signs of tampering, then of course we would accept that we had our answer regarding perjury.
You’re talking to us like we’re 2-year-olds, which is disingenous for somebody who apparently thinks we have to believe everything the Globe shows on its cover.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM
It is of the highest importance in the art of detection to be able to recognize out of a number of facts which are incidental and which vital, otherwise your energy and attention must be dissipated instead of being concentrated. And to let the brain work without sufficient material, like you have been doing, is like racing an engine. It racks itself to pieces.
semloh on July 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Well, then. By the birther standard, these images are also invalid if they appear on the Internet.
Bulletproof logic there.
So the document has to be sent directly to you to be valid, then?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:12 PM
HERE’S A THOUGHT:
Everybody who thinks the eligibility issue is dead in the water and nonsense, why don’t you MOVE ON with your lives? Ignore those of us who question Dear Leader while we try to get his many secretive matters heard in actual court on their actual merits.
allahallahoxenfree on July 27, 2009 at 9:18 PM
HERE’S ANOTHER THOUGHT:
Everybody who would like to pursue the Birther conspiracy theory, why don’t you MOVE ON and keep it on whichever crazy conspiracy-theory website you prefer? Ignore the right-leaning political websites while we discuss matters of non-crazyness without being tainted by association with your fellow conspiracy kooks?
Hollowpoint on July 27, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Hollowpoint, Hollowpoint, Hollowpoint. The only problem with that statement, it needs to be directed to Ed and Allah. See that got the fever and the only perscription is more BC threads. LOL
kara26 on July 27, 2009 at 10:12 PM
And I see only a requirement for a natural born citizen. By what do we do this. Well Article II, Section 1, the 12th and 25th Amendments cover that, making the Electoral College and Congress the judge of the qualification of those being elected.
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Yeah, you just have the White House Press Secretary calling you a bunch of loons on every news broadcast in America and several others around the world. What could go wrong?
Pablo on July 27, 2009 at 9:45 PM
I don’t give a flying shit what the serial liar Baghdad Bob Gibbs says.
allahallahoxenfree on July 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Can’t really blame AP. He knows comment gold when he sees it.
Hollowpoint on July 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM
He seems to be astoundingly incapable of learning. I am of the opinion that he may be putting on something of an act as it is hard to believe that anyone capable of writing in even the most rudimentary style could be that breathtakingly stupid.
semloh on July 27, 2009 at 10:16 PM
I know, right?
With material like:
And:
…doriangrey’s brain is firing on all cylinders tonight. It’s evident for all to see who’s arguing the facts here and who’s arguing…something else.
They have, and have examined the “tampering” – ignoring the facts doesn’t change them.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM
No because lets say you guys are right. Then we get Joe Biden….Hoorrraaaaay!
Lets say you are wrong (of which I am certain) now the President can lump in all the opposition with the birthers. Reveal us a kooks and marginalize us forever. You guys are not heroes of the Republic, you are playing into his little game.
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Squid Shark at 10:07
You’re now basing your argument on the integrity of lawyers.
Your case is really hurting now, Squid Shark.
But then, what else do you have?
1)A COLB image that’s not legal documentation for anything and shows signs of forgery.
2)Tape recordings of Grandma and Ambassador saying Obama was born in Kenya.
3)Two different hospitals Obama has said he was born in.
4) A selective service registration shown to be false because the manual serial stamp doesn’t match the manipulated electronic record – actually says it was printed in 08, not 80.
5) A registration form for an Indonesian school saying Barry Soetoro is a Muslim Indonesian citizen, the son of Lolo Soetoro.
6) Signed legal documents where Obama says he’s eligible to be president.
Seems like 1-5 call #6 a lie.
And seems like that’s A-OK with you.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Oh?
So YOU’RE the one who’s invalidated the COLB, then?
Where’s your smoking gun? Link it.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:18 PM
The resolution is irrelevant where Obama was born, frankly, is irrelevant (I happen to believe he was born in HI). What is very, very relevant is why he has refused to produce the long form birth certificate — yes, he is hiding something (no, not where he was born, but something) and that something totally contradicts his b.s. “narrative/bio” is & that proves what a lying sack of sh!t he is. IMO we should all be screaming for the release of all of Obama’s records (birth, school transcripts, medical records).
Dark Star on July 27, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Yeah just because the name of the “Institute” is old money that is not going to make me trust it more, I would probably be more skeptical of their methods, just like ratings organizations, just like right and left media matters organizations, they cherry pick and slant the issues dicussed, sweat the small stuff and glance over the big stuff, frame the argument the way they want to frame it not really the entire story. That said I don’t think that they are hiding an immigrant President, they are just doing a superficial investigation while not answering all of your questions, because ignorants nod their head and decide that the issue is settled due to the superficial investigation, even though they did not answer all your questions, because they know it burns you guys up so much that they can rub it in your face like that with their smug responses.
LevStrauss on July 27, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Hotair has again gone topsy-turvy with its latest parlour game
Some dress themselves in a Crown of Air and battle Ghosts of Straw that are evermore lame
Ranting on and on about these “birthers” from night to morn
They seem to think that in those who dare to question their new King, the Devil Himself had been reborn
But the Jackanapes are always runnin’ round with empty blows
It’s unfortunate to note that concern for their increasing sheep like state just grows and grows
PercyB on July 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM
So lawyers are invalid. Filing lawsuits is invalid. Government sources are invalid…sometimes but mostly all the time, depending on what the information is. Media (except for WND) is invalid. FactCheck is invalid. Snopes is invalid. Facsimiles and reproductions of original documents are invalid.
What did I leave out?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM
“They have, and have examined the “tampering”
What legal investigation are you talking about? Give me the name of the law enforcement officer who has investigated this – who has come up with legal-quality documents which don’t show signs of tampering?
This is what we’re asking for. You say we’re stupid for asking for it and then you say it’s already done. Show me the investigation report.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:21 PM
If you actually read the thread, you’d notice that it is the Birthers who are ranting and barking at the moon and flinging schoolyard epithets while producing nothing to advance their case, while the skeptics are demanding the available evidence be refuted or that the Birthers produce evidence – again and again and again.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:23 PM
So this examination doesn’t count for you?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
What’s wrong with it? What did they miss?
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM
This is an utter waste of time. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We’ve given the facts and reasoning over and over and over again, and the bliefers won’t engage with the content at all. It’s all just bouncing right off of them, even on the simplest of concepts.
If anybody is reading with an open mind they’ve had a chance to see what’s going on. Another 500 rounds of the same thing isn’t going to change anybody’s mind.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Damn, I can’t understand why BHO doesn’t just say take a look at this sh*t and lets put it behind us. Why do you guys have to insult each other when BHO has the power to stop this in one day! What happened to transparency? When I became a USMC officer I had an FBI background check that visited my family, friends, and anyone I had ever worked for. It went with the job. Why does the President get a pass?
inspectorudy on July 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM
There is not even anything in your link. Not even the junk that was in the one you have posted so many times before and has been shot down so many times before.
The “smoking gun” as you call it is being kept under lock and key by your Dear Leader. I don’t have the key to it. Do you?
Others have said it already, but Good God, you are stupid! Does your memory only keep the last few minutes before overlaying it?
KentAllard on July 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Looks like it passed, with pro- Birthers voting yeah.
Go figure.
They need to move on to Area 51.
AprilOrit on July 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM
This is why skeptics say Birthers and 9-11 Truthers are one and the same besides the fact that both movements share the same leaders).
Same pattern, different conspiracy.
Demand investigations (McCain’s staff did one, for example, as did several media outlets) and documents. Receive both, then deny they actually provided the answers they were looking for or claim there are just “many more questions.” Demand “another investigation.”
Rinse, lather, repeat forever.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Good Lt, you are absolutely unbelievable. Factcheck (who did the forgery in the first place) is a legal investigation?
They don’t explain how they got a 2008 border on a document supposedly printed in 2007. They don’t explain how they got the seal to stay round when the paper folded. They don’t explain how the line of print disappeared when they photographed the “seal” in relief.
They don’t address the signs of forgery because they are the ones who did it.
We don’t usually let the accused investigate themselves and consider it good.
Is that what you’re asking me to do? Good heavens!
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:29 PM
1. The COLB pictures on Fact Check are different now, so that document seems to be legit. No Birthers rejoice and say move on.
2. Report of BC being destroyed seems to be wrong, they have those paper records prior to 2001. Birthers rejoice.
3. COLB were and are given to people not born and people born in Hawaii. Birthers rejoice.
4. Obama did travel to Pakistan in 81. What passport did he use? Birthers rejoice.
5. There are those that could have video of Obama coming out with Maui in the back ground and say its crap. There are those that could have video of terrorist get in the cockpit and flying plains into the WTC and say its crap. I would say that at least 80% of birthers would move on with Long Form BC. Birthers rejoice, no birthers say crap.
You know I believe Obama was probably born in Hawaii. And I would like for us to move on. But I do question a few things, because if the table was turn, Hell Harry Reid would be out there pushing it. 1. Why spend so much money in court. Some say he would still have to because of the Nutcases that would keep going. Ok, I say whats the difference between $1,000,000.00 or $1,000,012.00. 2. How did he travel to Pakistan in 81, if we were giving out Passport to there. Or were we.
This is an easy theory to put to bed for about 80% I bet. I think he does not do it for fun, the man is crazy. Releasing LF BC proves what both sides believe.
And for all my fellow no birthers, you have to admit, a COLB is not a LF BC. Its just not, so don’t embarrass your self either.
kara26 on July 27, 2009 at 10:29 PM
He is my President, duly certified by the Electoral College the Constitutional body appointed to validate and complete presidential elections with the concurrence of Congress.
He is not my “King” he is the elected president of this union.
I am not going to even discuss the problems with the Sara Obama “testimony” because the birthers are willing to take the word of a guy who thinks 9/11 was an inside job over me anyways.
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 10:29 PM
You must have invalidated that “junk,” then.
Show your work.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Doing something like this isn’t designed to quell the birthers, but more to stoke the flames of distrust.
clement on July 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Translation: This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let’s not ARGUE and BICKer about who killed who!
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Sad, isn’t it?
It’s almost a lost cause, friend, but I’m not giving up showing them the error(s) of their ways. Although I am getting ready for bed, so I’ll have to hit pause until another time.
I’m not worried – I don’t expect the Birthers to produce a smoking gun between now and then that I or anyone else will miss. Because there isn’t one.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM
No because lets say you guys are right. Then we get Joe Biden….Hoorrraaaaay!
one argument says no, if he was elected on a afraudulent ticket
Lets say you are wrong (of which I am certain) now the President can lump in all the opposition with the birthers. Reveal us a kooks and marginalize us forever. You guys are not heroes of the Republic, you are playing into his little game.
I don’t think i’m a hero anything. You have no idea what I do for a living and YOU are following in the scared little “this is a red herring argument.” THIS is not the Alinsky distraction. How about the Cap and trade earth is going to burn argument or 49 million uninsured lie?
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Thanks for judging me though
allahallahoxenfree on July 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Here we go again… Hawaii official claims birth cert. exists and to have seen it… yet it remains hidden.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090727/BREAKING01/90727082/Obama+Hawaii+born++insist+Isle+officials
How can so many of you be okay with this?
RightWinged on July 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM
If you had evidence to support your delusions, you’d have linked to it while listing items 1-5.
hicsuget on July 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Given the kind of garbage the House has been passing lately, I think I prefer they waste time with meaningless resolutions.
hicsuget on July 27, 2009 at 10:34 PM
I have indeed read most of the thread and sink me, but you are as addled as they say. Your memory does seem to erase every few minutes. For you every few minutes seems to be like Ground Hog Day.
PercyB on July 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM
One more time, in plain caps-ed English.
THE CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH IS A VALID FOR THE PURPOSES OF CITIZENSHIP AND NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP VERIFICATION (A BIRTHER CONCERN), INCLUDING FOR THE PRESIDENCY (A BIRTHER CONCERN).
THE EXISTENCE OF A LONG-FORM BC (A BIRTHER CONCERN) IS IRRELEVANT TO THE VALIDITY OF THE COLB (NOT A BIRTHER CONCERN), WHICH HAS BEEN PRODUCED AND ACCEPTED AS VALID LONG AGO BY APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES AND VETTING BODIES THAT ARE NOT BIRTHERS (A BIRTHER CONCERN).
It’s time to move on.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 10:29 PM
No! No! No!
When I want to find out what Sarah Obama said, I listen to the tape of what Sarah Obama said. Now I don’t speak Swahili so I have to trust that her grandson who was translating for her was acting in good faith when he said that she said she was there when Obama was born.
Of course, when someone repeated back to him what he just said he called himself a liar (or Sarah, maybe. Good thing for him he was speaking English ’cause if Sarah had heard him call her a liar she might have had a thing or two to say to him!).
Are you saying that he mistranslated Sarah’s words so that she said she was there when she really said she wasn’t? If so, what is your evidence for saying that?
See, more than anything, you need to understand that evidence-based arguments are the only ones that matter to most of us here – or at least the ones who are engaging with the evidence.
justincase on July 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM
If evidence existed to make a case against Obama’s eligibility, don’t you think Hillary Clinton would have presented such evidence to make such a case a year ago?
hicsuget on July 27, 2009 at 10:36 PM
For you every few minutes seems to be like Ground Hog Day.
PercyB
heh, well put
allahallahoxenfree on July 27, 2009 at 10:36 PM
If you’re referring to the repetitiveness of citing links and evidence that have not been refuted, it is because NO BIRTHERS HAVE REFUTED ANYTHING I’M ASKING THEM TO REFUTE.
Hence, there is no “there” there, and the thread then devolves into discussions about my internet handle, schoolyard insults, dismissal by people who have not supported their claims with evidence, etc.
Over and over and over. Repetition is necessary because nobody is refuting the evidence. Therefore, it must be repeated and focused on.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:38 PM
If you’re referring to the Birthers, I haven’t counted one piece of evidence they’ve engaged anybody with.
No links, nothing. No sources. Dismissal of sources cited to them.
It’s a never-ending game of three card Monte.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Irrelevant. How can anyone oppose it’s release?
RightWinged on July 27, 2009 at 10:41 PM
You’re opposing this, and that has been released.
So what else are YOU bringing to the table?
Goodnite, dear Birthers.
Remember, the troof is out there.
(X-flies theme plays)
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Bill O’Reilly covered this tonight – said he investigated and it is just unfounded.
Obama was born in Hawaii and he is 100% kosher.
So we didn’t vote for him and we didn’t support him, but he’s there for the rest of his term, period.
Time to move on to 2012.
AprilOrit on July 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM
One more time, in plain caps-ed English.
THE CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH IS A VALID FOR THE PURPOSES OF CITIZENSHIP AND NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP VERIFICATION (A BIRTHER CONCERN), INCLUDING FOR THE PRESIDENCY (A BIRTHER CONCERN).
THE EXISTENCE OF A LONG-FORM BC (A BIRTHER CONCERN) IS IRRELEVANT TO THE VALIDITY OF THE COLB (NOT A BIRTHER CONCERN), WHICH HAS BEEN PRODUCED AND ACCEPTED AS VALID LONG AGO BY APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES AND VETTING BODIES THAT ARE NOT BIRTHERS (A BIRTHER CONCERN).
It’s time to move on.
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM
your link just went to picture, i thougt it would be information backing up your statement. I have not heard that. What I have read, it does not do all you wrote. If you have seen that some where I would love to read it, can you provide the links or what not to see. Thanks
kara26 on July 27, 2009 at 10:44 PM
thats it everyone is gone. man thats what i get coming late to the party
kara26 on July 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM
They are truly sheeple.
Tav on July 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM
One does not dare contradict a member of the Hawaiian branch of the Freemasons and live to tell about it.
Hollowpoint on July 27, 2009 at 10:55 PM
why don’t you ?
runner on July 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM
go ahead
runner on July 27, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Because we are not the ones dragging down the entire Conservative Movement.
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 11:05 PM
You are wrong, champ, it’s Rush Limbaugh and his “I hope he fails” comments
runner on July 27, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Why, after 20/24 lawsuits brought to SCOTUS, don’t they (SCOTUS) say that obama was born in the US and thus qualified…it would put a stop to any future lawsuits, no?
What is the meaning of “no legal standing” before SCOTUS?
TN Mom on July 27, 2009 at 11:10 PM
I believe it means that SCOTUS decided that the party bringing the suit has no legal right to initiate that particular lawsuit.
runner on July 27, 2009 at 11:15 PM
By refusing certiorari the supreme court is in effect dismissing the claim without as not having merit. At least in this instance.
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 11:16 PM
But the suits passed the lower courts to get to SCOTUS, so, the lower courts believed there was merit??!
BTW, my interest in these lawsuits before SCOTUS was really piqued when I read justice ginsberg voted for roe v wade thinking it was to ‘limit undesireables’…
TN Mom on July 27, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Refusing cert is the right of SCOTUS, there are two main reasons that cases are denied cert. Once is that they feel that the case has already been dealt with before the court, another is that they feel that there is not enogh merit or valid constitutional question involved.
Squid Shark on July 27, 2009 at 11:28 PM
How is this ‘smart politics’? They’re admitting there’s a problem.
So let it be written…so let it be done.
I believe only one of the lawsuits has gone before the Supreme Court. My understanding is that they wouldn’t hear the case because the plaintiff couldn’t show that he was in any way directly injured.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2009 at 11:31 PM
right, has nothing to do with merits of the case, that is the case was not dismissed on merits
runner on July 27, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Hey, douchey doucherson… What didn’t you understand about the link I posted?
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090727/BREAKING01/90727082/Obama+Hawaii+born++insist+Isle+officials
WE ALL KNOW AND HAVE SEEN THE COLB. The point is, we’ve twice had this Hawaiian official insist the real BC exists and claims to have seen it. So why won’t Obama spend $10 to release it, when thousands of dollars and many hours have been spent dealing with these court cases?
Again, no one has provided a logical reason for not releasing it.
RightWinged on July 27, 2009 at 11:41 PM
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YES! AND HERE IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. I wish I had found this YouTube video a long time ago. It’s well worth the ENTIRE 2 minutes and will answer the question why an online digital image is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. After you’re done- POST YOUR REACTION.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 27, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Truthers to my left
And now Birthers to my right
Facts never matter.
JimRich on July 27, 2009 at 11:54 PM
I am razzing you because you think a COLB is not sufficient, when it clearly states it is.
You see, Certificate of Live Birth, and Birth Certificate is interchangeable in Hawaii.
You guys are just taking a guess, and trying to figure some angle.
Several years ago they dropped the term COLB, and they just use Birth Certificate or Certificate of Birth. Which is identical to what they used to call a COLB, it is exactly the same, just different terminology.
The COLB is the only birth certificate document that has been given by the Hawaiian Health Services for over 50+ years….learn the law.
Obama can’t get a drivers license with a COLB, like I said, better call the police, because that is the only form of ID that a Hawaiian has regarding his birth…he can’t get a social security, can’t get an ID, can’t get a passport, can’t get a DRIVERS LICENSE without a COLB.
You guys crack me up…….spend a few minutes and read the Hawaiian laws, then spend a few more and go back to 1971 and read the laws.
COLB not used for a drivers license….HAHAHHAHA, you crack me up….
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:09 AM
right2bright on July 28, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Even though they were destroyed in 2001.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 12:32 AM
I think this thing swallowed my post. Test
justincase on July 28, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Hes part of the conspiracy dontcha know, so is Gov. Lingle.
Squid Shark on July 28, 2009 at 12:35 AM
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