Birthermania: House Democrat to introduce resolution on Obama being born in Hawaii
posted at 6:04 pm on July 27, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Another time-wasting resolution in the House, but unlike McCotter’s, this one’s at least smart politics. How many Republicans will choke on it?
The measure Abercrombie will introduce commemorates the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood. But here’s the rub, his spokesman tells me: It describes Hawaii as Barack Obama’s birthplace.
“In the language of the resolution, there is a statement that Hawaii is the birthplace of the 44th President of the United States,” Abercrombie spokesman Dave Helfert confirms.
That confronts House GOPers with a choice: They can vote for the measure, and endorse the idea that Obama was born in Hawaii, which could earn the wrath of birthers. Or they can vote against commemorating the 50th state’s joining of our blessed Union. Or GOPers can skip the vote, but that could look nutty.
“Far be it from us to try to stir things up,” Helfert said puckishly.
Dude, what if Ron Paul votes yes? Would that mean Birtherism’s too kooky even for the rEVOLution? Exit question: There’s going to be a full-fledged “Produce the Birth Certificate” third party once 2012 rolls around, isn’t there? And when they’re not allowed to participate in any of the televised debates, they’re going to whine forever.
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Let me try this a third time:
“If you had evidence to support your delusions, you’d have linked to it while listing items 1-5.
hicsuget on July 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM”
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That’s a bunch of bullshit. I’ve given the evidence ten million times all over this forum. It makes no difference to the people who need to see it because they won’t even look.
#1 1)A COLB image that’s not legal documentation for anything and shows signs of forgery.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17267712/Declaration-of-Sandra-Lines-Ramsey-Filed-in-Major-Cook-TRO-Application-by-Orly-Taitz
Her statement takes up 2 partial pages and then there are 6 pages listing her qualifications and honors. The document from “Ron Polarik” that she refers to is found at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts
Or, for a concise summary, his Youtube video will help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ
2)Tape recordings of Grandma and Ambassador saying Obama was born in Kenya.
The unedited tape is here:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/03/sarah-obama-speaks
The signed sworn affidavit of the translator and a partial transcript with the Swahili translation is here:
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/berg-v-obama-affidavit-of-reverend-kweli-shuhubia/
A transcript by a transcriptionist who was not present at the time begins on page 12 here:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/kenyanphonetranscript.pdf
To be truthful, it’s hard to tell what’s being said on the tape. There is conversation in the background and it’s hard to tell who is speaking when. Trying to pick out what’s happening if you weren’t there would be difficult to do. The affidavit by Shuhubia (”Brother Tom”)describes Sarah Obama saying her answer but on the tape what you hear seems to be conversation between several women and several men.
The partial transcript stops before the grandson/translator corrects to say that Obama was born in Hawaii. The affidavit says that the protests did not come from Sarah Obama, who was adamant about her answer. And the “independent” (but clearly biased) translation also shows that Sarah Obama did not speak again until after the subject was changed.
So basically you’ve got an affidavit by someone who was there saying that Sarah Obama was asked the question clearly and she answered twice with an adamant “yes”, followed by her grandson/translator and company correcting that statement. And you’ve got a transcript by someone who was not there and not sure who was saying what and talking to who, what words were used in translation, etc but seems very convinced that he knows what the Kenyans meant and understood.
The affidavit by Shuhubia also includes a summary of his discussion with the administrator of the hospital where Obama was born. He says the administrator said the records of Ann’s delivery is there at the hospital but Obama’s records are sealed, to be kept secret. Jerome Corsi also reported that Raila Odinga had sealed Obama’s records.
There is also a video clip included in a news report where Sarah Obama’s voice is heard clearly, “Barack a nate dhalani”. Maybe baldilocks could verify this, but the clip mentions that nate (nyah-tay) is from the same base word as natal, which specifically refers to birth. The translation given in the news clip is that Barack is a “son of the village”. If someone speaks that language/dialect they could clarify if nate means “born”. The clip can be seen at
http://vodpod.com/watch/1129323-sarah-obama-tape-barack-born-in-kenya-village
I need to go to bed so #3-5 will have to wait until tomorrow.
justincase on July 28, 2009 at 12:35 AM
I’ve posted 3 times and it has eaten it up every time. Maybe in the morning it’ll let me post some content.
justincase on July 28, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Right,
WHY CANT YOU OPEN YOUR EYES the (Illuminati, Jews, Masons, Rothschilds, Bush Admin, Commies, Muslims) are controling EVERYTHING. They have been setting him up from DAY ONE! They think a longer game then you. Ignore them at your peril.
Squid Shark on July 28, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Because, really, who hasn’t seen files that were destroyed 7 years before? Silly Birthers.
Jim Treacher on July 28, 2009 at 12:37 AM
No one is “dragging down the entire Conservative Movement”, you silly fish.
Cheshire Cat on July 28, 2009 at 12:40 AM
WRONG. They used to call it ‘certificate of live birth’, which is DIFFERENT than the “certification” of live birth.
WRONG. yes they used to call a birth cerfiticate a certificate of birth, but obama’s is a certifiCATION. it doesnt mean he was born in hospital x with baby feet and doctor’s signature, it means he was born somewhere at some point in time.
Holy heck, batman, how wrong do you have to be.
Check this out… it’s the dreaded ancient “certifiCATE of live birth” (that is in fact a birth certificate basically) from hawaii a long time ago. look at it next to barack’s “certifiCATION of live birth”. what’s different?
http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/birth-cert-small.jpg
nothing really — except for 2 signatures of the health department, the sigs of the father, the sig of the mother, the actual HOSPITAL of birth, the age of the mom, the age of the dad, the occupation of the dad…..
….WHOOPS! so i guess the whole “COLB 1961=COLB 2006″ theory is out the window, right2bright.
TRY AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/birth-cert-small.jpg
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 12:41 AM
That settles it. You are becoming hysterical. You have been out of the water much too long.
Cheshire Cat on July 28, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Amen!
Nothing weird about the health dept director claiming to have seen the original baby feet-like birth certificate in 2008, even though it was destroyed in 2001.
Oh, what is that I hear? “there’s a copy on microfilm somewhere that’s where she saw it”>?>>>????
Ok, then, Barack; SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
battleoflepanto1571 on July 28, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Didn’t I already tell you at least once that the COLB is worthless for determining if someone is a Natural Born citizen because of this:
Will you use the COLB as evidence of Obama’s Natural Born citizen status again after this? Only time will tell.
Buddahpundit on July 28, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Did you use any naughty words or use a link with cnn in it?
Joe Bloggs on July 28, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Uh, Guy, there were 12 of them. As it happens, I know, personally, the last one who walked there. He is a pretty cool guy, and not one to lie He AND his father were people who’s word you could ‘take to the bank’.
And way up thread, two people who think the ‘birthers’ are idiots claimed to have corresponded with you extensively and confirmed that you were a long time combat veteran, yet you deny ever serving or otherwise holding rank… I guess that makes them some kind of ‘troofers’ or something.
All that is apropos of nothing, of course.
Just pointing out that there is a LOT of BS on this thread.
Now, personally, I don’t ‘have a dog in this fight’. I do believe 0bama IS hiding lots of somethings, that if known, might have cost him the election. The situation of his birth being of minor importance compared to others.
But now, Even if he were proven to be the illegitimate love child of Robert Mugabe and Bernadine Dohrn, and he took a dump on the ‘official’ copy of the on live TV then claimed to be the anti-Christ, they would find some way to keep him in office.
Nonetheless, I’d like to see a little actual transparency in this supposedly ‘most transparent administration ever’.
They COULD shut (just about) everyone up about all this nonsense quite easily. That they spend millions of dollars and so much effort to avoid doing so indicates to me that they are afraid to do so.
Don’t hate the people who are obsessed with this. Should they be proved correct, they may possibly prevent our impending doom, and if they were to be proven wrong, well, at least we could put it all behind us and concentrate on the legislation with which they intend to enslave us.
LegendHasIt on July 28, 2009 at 12:51 AM
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You must have offended
Dear LeaderAllah somehow like with too many facts..
Check your email- maybe Ed or Allah sent you a note. Ed emailed me when my comment was being withheld- he said if post has more than 3 links it is automatically held for moderation. Not sure I believe that though because I have done it since and it wasn’t held. And it would be nice if there was a message like there was in the past that said “comment being held for moderation”
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 12:56 AM
…..All we have are images and “broadcasts.” None of use, save the three “alleged astronauts” were actually “allegedly” there……….
Good Lt on July 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Uh, Guy, there were 12 of them. As it happens, I know, personally, the last one who walked there. He is a pretty cool guy, and not one to lie He AND his father were people who’s word you could ‘take to the bank’.
And way up thread, two people who think the ‘birthers’ are idiots claimed to have corresponded with you extensively and confirmed that you were a long time combat veteran, yet you deny ever serving or otherwise holding rank… I guess that makes them some kind of ‘troofers’ or something.
All that is apropos of nothing, of course.
Just pointing out that there is a LOT of BS on this thread.
Now, personally, I don’t ‘have a dog in this fight’. I do believe 0bama IS hiding lots of somethings, that if known, might have cost him the election. The situation of his birth being of minor importance compared to others.
But now, Even if he were proven to be the illegitimate love child of Robert Mugabe and Bernadine Dohrn, and he took a dump on the ‘official’ copy of the on live TV then claimed to be the anti-Christ, they would find some way to keep him in office.
Nonetheless, I’d like to see a little actual transparency in this supposedly ‘most transparent administration ever’.
They COULD shut (just about) everyone up about all this nonsense quite easily. That they spend millions of dollars and so much effort to avoid doing so indicates to me that they are afraid to do so.
Don’t hate the people who are obsessed with this. Should they be proved correct, they may possibly prevent our impending doom, and if they were to be proven wrong, well, at least we could put it all behind us and concentrate on the legislation with which they intend to enslave us.
LegendHasIt on July 28, 2009 at 12:51 AM
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Good, reasoned comment to someone who doesn’t seem at all reasonable. Kudos for your openmindedness. I have said all along- it is not crucial to produce birth cert- Obama’s admitted he held dual citizenship at birth – governed by his father’s Kenyan citizenship. But he shouldn’t be held to such a loose standard of “proof”- it opens the door to future presidents who weren’t even citizens- nevermind natural born at birth. That is truly alarming.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 1:02 AM
What legal effect does this “resolution” have? It cannot stop a court from hearing the case; it cannot determine the outcome of the case; and it cannot determine whether or not the Supreme Court would hear the case if it were to come up on appeal.
While I’m not up on my Senatorial procedure, I don’t think it could even prevent impeachment proceedings if other information were to come out.
Given that, shouldn’t Republicans just sign on to this, showing themselves to be sane? If the Birthers are wrong, then the GOP didn’t go down with them. If the Birthers are correct (and that comes out in court, for example), the GOP could easily backtrack and point to the new information as the basis for impeachment. It’s a win-win.
Roxeanne de Luca on July 28, 2009 at 1:11 AM
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Wow, you should run for office. The hell with principles- just do whatever will get you elected.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 28, 2009 at 1:15 AM
Of course, most of this skepticism about the birth document has to do with our complete lack of trust of the media to perform proper due diligence for us.
Had this rumor surfaced about Sarah Palin, the NYT, WaPo, NBC, etc would be crying and whining so loud, that freakin’ Hawaii, health-department official would invite them all over to the islands for some poi and pupus and a quick look. Oh wait a minute, the records were destroyed in 2001.
This is such freakin’ bullshit. Just make all the asshole’s documents available, since he is the most transparent president evah.
PC14 on July 28, 2009 at 2:15 AM
Of course, most of this skepticism about the birth document has to do with our complete lack of trust of the media to perform proper due diligence for us.
Had this rumor surfaced about Sarah Palin, the NYT, WaPo, NBC, etc would be crying and whining so loud, that freakin’ Hawaii, health-department official would invite them all over to the islands for some poi and pupus and a quick look. Oh wait a minute, the records were destroyed in 2001.
This is such freakin’ bullshit. Just make all the asshole’s documents available, since he is the most transparent president evah.
PC14 on July 28th, 2009 at 2:14 am
PC14 on July 28, 2009 at 2:21 AM
lol…the Ron Paul movement came up with the tea party idea in the first place, not the NeoRepubs.
The Dean on July 28, 2009 at 2:37 AM
One more time, for our late to lunch Leftist college kid sleeper cell posters
a news article from a pro-O’bama newspaper is not evidence of anything. Niether is anything from FactCheck.org, because they hired O’bama.
And Snopes? (laughter)
Del Dolemonte on July 28, 2009 at 2:39 AM
BTW, O’bama took a question from Bill “Lovenstein Institute” Press. Is he a real member if the WH kneepads?
Del Dolemonte on July 28, 2009 at 2:44 AM
Nonsense. And now an official government document complete with a thourough government investigation and a court ruling wouldn’t suffice because…they hired him.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:53 AM
Good morning sunshine!
I love the cute little names you come up with for people who understand what conspiracy theories are and who point out that you aren’t actually supporting your conspiracy theories by not citing evidence while “asking more questions.”
Except that it’s more than you’ve produced or will produce about anything ot do with this conspiracy fantasy you’re invested in.
Other than the childish surnames (in this case, one suggesting that people who are schooling you on this conspiracy theory are akin to sleeper cells of terrorists) you give to people who point out that you have no clue what you’re talking about, or that you’re fodder for a running national joke.
Except that it is because you haven’t refuted the content – you’re just dismissing the source as “pro-Obama” outright and are pretending you don’t have to address any of the content.
Until I see “Del Dolemonte’s comprehensive, point-by-point refutation of the evidence he claims is not valid, meaningful or clear,” I’m sticking with the evidence we have.
Another source deemed “invalid” by Del Dolemonte because…well, it presents evidence he hasn’t refuted and it’s “pro-Obama” or something.
Laughter is what the nation is doing to the Birthers.
Now ponder why.
Good Lt on July 28, 2009 at 7:56 AM
12 guys in the first lunar module?
Nope.
Good Lt on July 28, 2009 at 8:16 AM
I have to wonder why Obama and his administration is allowing this story to continue when it could be ended with him signing a release for the documents to put it to rest.
My guess is they are using to show how there are 9/11 truth-er types on both sides and will continue to keep propagating this hoax because it helps distract from what he is doing.
JeffinSac on July 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Howsabout a resolution demanding that the certificate be made public?
Akzed on July 28, 2009 at 9:21 AM
He’d be a hoot in a court of law, wouldn’t he?
“Your honor, that evidence is inadmissible because it comes from the other side.”
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Oh, the resolution passed unanimously.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 9:42 AM
(laughter)
Please try again.
Del Dolemonte on July 28, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Niether is anything from FactCheck.org, because they hired O’bama.
Nonsense. And now an official government document complete with a thourough government investigation and a court ruling wouldn’t suffice because…they hired him.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 7:53 AM
Sorry, kid, not nonsense. Fact check = Annenberg. Annenberg = Annenberg Challenge. Annenberg Challenge = O’bama. Thanks for playing!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Annenberg_Challenge
BTW, if you are going to cite a “court ruling” as proof of something, then you also have to admit that Iraq played a role in 9/11. A Clinton-appointed Federal Judge in NY City ruled in 2003 that they played a part in the attacks.
Del Dolemonte on July 28, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Let’s try that again…
Not nonsense…Fact Check.org = Annenberg. Annenberg = Annnenberg Challenge. Annenberg Challenge = O’bama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Annenberg_Challenge
BTW, if you are going to cite a “court ruling” as proof of something, then you also have to admit that Iraq played a role in 9/11. A Clinton-appointed Federal Judge in NYC ruled in 2003 that they played apart in the attacks.
Del Dolemonte on July 28, 2009 at 10:29 AM
apart = a part.
Del Dolemonte on July 28, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Del = fruitcake.
Pablo on July 28, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Nonsense. And now an official government document complete with a thourough government investigation and a court ruling wouldn’t suffice because…they hired him.
Pablo
http://tinyurl.com/mmvzkk
Yep thats a thorough Govt investigation for you. I promise I’m eligible so therefore i am.
allahallahoxenfree on July 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM
If you had evidence to support your delusions, you’d have linked to it while listing items 1-5.
hicsuget on July 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM
>>>
I see my post on here this morning so maybe it was held in moderation for a while last night.
2)Tape recordings of Grandma and Ambassador saying Obama was born in Kenya.
I posted the evidence for the Grandma last night and now the tape recording of Ambassador Ogego can be accessed at:
http://www.edgefielddaily.com/news112708_1.html.
3)Two different hospitals Obama has said he was born in.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103306
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103465
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104718
4) A selective service registration shown to be false because the manual serial stamp doesn’t match the manipulated electronic record – actually says it was printed in 08, not 80.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/
5) A registration form for an Indonesian school saying Barry Soetoro is a Muslim Indonesian citizen, the son of Lolo Soetoro.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/
justincase on July 28, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Test.
justincase on July 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Looks like my comments with links are being moderated. Maybe a certain number of links trips the moderation sensor.
If so I need to have my documentation in separate posts. Makes it hard to make a concise summary of the information with sources, but oh well.
justincase on July 28, 2009 at 12:19 PM
It would be true that a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth would ALWAYS be valid for the purposes of determining natural-born citizen status (a relevant concern for eligibility for the Presidency of the United States)….
… IF it were the case that in every single instance, the location of birth listed on such a certification actually matched the actual place that the person in question was born (and matched the unedited long-form birth certificate as well).
I have a simple question for you, Good Lt. It should be easy to answer, and there is no good reason that I can see for you not to answer it directly.
Do you believe that in EVERY CASE, that whatever birth location is shown on someone’s Hawaii Certification of Live Birth matches where that person was actually born… with NO EXCEPTIONS?
It’s a yes-or-no question, and it’s very relevant to pointing out one of the vital distinctions in this matter. Understanding this issue might illumate why some people are interested in seeing an archival image of the the unedited long-form birth certificate for BHO, which should include a
doctor’s signature if he was born in a Hawaii hospital as claimed.
VekTor on July 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM
(for those playing along at home, here’s a relevant excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on “legal fiction” that has some bearing on the question I’m asking of Good Lt: )
“Adoption: One of the most common and easiest to understand examples of a legal fiction is adoption. Once an Order or Judgment of Adoption (or similar decree from a court) is entered, one or both biological (or natural) parents becomes a legal stranger to the child; that person or persons are legally no longer related to the child and have no more rights to the child than any other non-relative. Conversely, the adoptive parent(s) are legally considered to be the natural parent(s) of the adopted child; a new birth certificate reflecting this is issued. The severing of the original parental relationship(s) and creation of new parental relationship(s) is a legal fiction.
VekTor on July 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM
bah! “illumate” in my 1:47 comment should be “illuminate”.
VekTor on July 28, 2009 at 1:53 PM
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