The OMB-CBO throwdown
posted at 3:56 pm on July 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The White House went to war with the Congressional Budget Office after Friday’s announcement that the proposed changes to Barack Obama’s health-care plan to realize big cost savings would only recover $2 billion over 10 years, at best — about 0.2% of ObamaCare’s lowest projected cost. Budget director Peter Orszag published a statement yesterday that accused the CBO of essentially lying in its analysis:
The Obama administration is touting a proposal to give a medical advisory council the power to help decide the scope of coverage that would be eligible for reimbursement under Medicare.
Administration officials say the proposed “Independent Medicare Advisory Council” would both improve health care quality and control costs. Some health care industry groups object to the proposal, saying such a council would not be qualified to make those judgments.
The CBO’s review of the proposal found that “the probability is high that no savings would be realized … but there is also a chance that substantial savings might be realized,” Elmendorf wrote.
“Looking beyond the 10-year-budget window, CBO expects that this proposal would generate larger but still modest savings on the same probabilistic basis.” …
White House Budget Director Peter Orszag said the CBO’s analysis — which it relayed to House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer on Saturday — could feed a perception of the office’s bias toward “exaggerating costs and underestimating savings.”
Obama called Elmendorf to the White House after the CBO director testified that the present House bill would add $239 billion to the deficit over the next ten years, creating a rift between moderate and liberal Democrats in the House and abruptly halting the effort in the Senate. Obama denied that he intended to intimidate Elmendorf into providing more sympathetic numbers in subsequent analyses, but the White House got roundly criticized for inappropriately interfering with Congress’ independence in fiscal analysis.
Now, however, the White House has dispensed with the illusion of bullying and made it as overt as possible. This makes the intent of the earlier meeting crystal clear. They had hoped to intimidate Elmendorf in private, and since that didn’t work, they’re now doing it openly.
Nor is that the only instance of OMB overstepping its authority to interfere with the CBO. Orszag unexpectedly showed up at an April scorekeeping meeting regarding the controversial IMF funding demanded by the White House, which Politico reported at the time:
It’s a nerdish skirmish easily dismissed, but the IMF money — totaling $108 billion — is important in today’s global economic crisis. And Peter Orszag, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office who now leads the Office of Management and Budget, has jumped in to an unprecedented degree, pressing his old CBO colleagues to change past practices and even attending a special meeting of the scorekeepers called on short notice two weeks ago.
“I don’t think I’ve ever seen an OMB director at a scorekeeper’s meeting,” said one longtime veteran of the budget process who attended. Orszag, who admits he skipped the same sort of meetings as CBO director, made light of the matter: “It was seen as this mystical thing, so I wanted to see what it was like in person,” he told POLITICO.
But House and Senate staff confirm that it was OMB that called the April 9 meeting, which came just hours before the White House was slated to submit an $83.4 billion supplemental spending request for ongoing military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as new foreign aid. Orszag not only attended but also brought with him a representative from Treasury. And persons familiar with the meeting said the administration’s apparent hope was to get a favorable response, making it easier to include the IMF funds in the request later in the day.
Keith Hennessey says the OMB has gone on the warpath because the CBO has demolished the Obama argument about cost savings in its IMAC proposal:
With this letter CBO has killed the President’s IMAC proposal. It almost certainly would have died even without CBO’s letter. The proposal would have transferred an enormous amount of power from Congress to the Executive Branch. Turf-conscious Congressional committee chairmen would have fought it to protect their power base. Medicare provider interest groups (hospitals, doctors) were starting to lobby against it. They prefer Congress making these decisions because they’re easier to lobby and influence. …
The death of IMAC is a black eye for the Administration and another step backward for the pending health care reform bills. This result was both predictable and avoidable.
In a Hot Air exclusive, I contacted Chuck Blahous of the Hudson Institute, formerly the deputy director of George Bush’s National Economic Council about the open and aggressive attack on the CBO from Orszag and the White House. Blahous finds it unseemly:
“It’s routine for OMB and CBO to have scoring differences. It’s also routine for the two agencies to separately acknowledge, explain and quantify them. What’s not routine is for each to overtly criticize the other. This is a bad road to go down in any case, but even more so because OMB probably has the glass house here. Institutionally, they’re just different; CBO is purely a referee, while OMB is part referee, part player because they’re part of the President’s policy development team. Moreover, OMB’s February budget presentation attracted a lot of justified criticism for its economic assumptions and for moving various deficit-expanding policies into the budget baseline. Furthermore, most of the claims about long-term cost savings from health care reform have been purely speculative, with no data from the actuaries to back them up. Still, I don’t expect CBO to hit back and to criticize OMB scoring, nor should they. Hopefully folks will walk back and cooler heads will prevail.”
Orszag has been an embarrassment as OMB director, and now he’s becoming dangerous to the separation of powers between the branches of government. Either Obama should put Orszag on a leash, or get rid of him immediately — and find a real budget director, not just a liberal-agenda hack.










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Key West Reader on July 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Wow… GREAT CHART!
Nixon was more popular than Bambi at this point!!!!
Romeo13 on July 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM
No, we R a DEEMOCKRAZY!
Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Just wait until those budget deficit numbers come out.
jukin on July 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM
I heard that when she backs up, one can hear an annoying beeping noise. Or was that MegMac?
Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM
From “the Big Obowski”:
“This is not Chicago, Barry. This is Washington. There are rules.”
drjohn on July 26, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Aren’t Orszag and his OMB the same one’s that Biden said “Got it wrong” when the Stimulus Bill was being pushed as the only way to get the economy going again?
So we’re supposed to trust the same group a second time when they’re about to tinker with 1/5 of the US economy?
GarandFan on July 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Yes. And, if you click on the tab named “Comparison” you can select presidents and do a line by line comparison. Remember, he was still polling above 50% at the time this thing was drawn up.
Key West Reader on July 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Yeah. Just how long do you think he can delay the release? With unemployment climbing which reduces revenues and pressure from many to step up porkulus spending the deficit must be spiraling. This will not help his polling!
HoustonRight on July 26, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Shouldn’t unemployment numbers come out too by the end of the week? That might spark a little tear…
Obama to Bureau of Labor
You’re going to destroy my presidency…
ted c on July 26, 2009 at 5:32 PM
It’s not just Hawaii. Tennessee tried universal healthcare coverage years ago (TennCare). It was a disaster, as costs quickly spiralled out of control. Massachusetts is currently having a similar experience.
But as we’ve noted before, if Dims could learn lessons from the past, they wouldn’t be Dims.
AZCoyote on July 26, 2009 at 5:32 PM
One thing to remember though is that it was a long bloody fight to drive him out of Russia and then Eastern Europe. Involved millions of casualties to accomplish.
My question is, do the American People have the resolve to drive out the Obama and the Left with the same degree of perseverance and long term commitment to a cause.
chemman on July 26, 2009 at 5:34 PM
A Queen has needs
Key West Reader on July 26,2009 at 5:21PM.
Key West Reader: So while the ‘POOR’ suffer,’Worst Economy
sice 1929,a ‘CRISIS’,the Obama’s are livin
the good life,as in The Rich and Famous,
‘Champagne Wishes and ‘Cavior Dreams’!:)
canopfor on July 26, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Watch for a delay to calibrate the numbers because after all they are a first time administration that has all this crap dumped on them by the evil Bush.
chemman on July 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Of couse history repeats itself, no one was listening the first time…
Shaw
Romeo13 on July 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Someone explain this to me. Congress has a gold plan with many options from private insurers. The current bill will no doubt eventually run private carriers out of business. Won’t members have to convert to a new “special” plan for members, or will they take over the insurers that run thier plans?
HoustonRight on July 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM
I am going to publish something on You Tube that relates to this:
Martha’s Vinyard for me.
Tent City for Thee.
Kobe Beef for Me.
Food Stamps for Thee.
Manolo Blahniks for Me
Bo-Bo’s for Thee
22 Servants for Me
Unemployment for Thee
Big Parties for Me
The Hood for Thee
Private Physicians for Me
DMV Doctors for Thee
You get the drift… I hope it goes viral.
Key West Reader on July 26, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Or MegMac?
Upstater85 on July 26,2009 at 5:29PM.
Upstater85: Oh boy,I hope I don’t burn for this!
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/ap11-69-HC-617.jpg
canopfor on July 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM
There will always be a Gold Plated plan for the rich… it will still be there for those who can afford it… like Congress, the Unions, or the rich.
It will be the middle class which will be forced into the Gov plan.
Oh… and the Gov plan does not even really need subsidies to have an unfair advantage… just the fact that it will not have to pay business taxes or make a profit will give it a tremendous advantage.
Romeo13 on July 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Maybe it won’t drive the private insurers completely out of business… they’ll only do business with the rich and
famouspowerful.Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Will be watching for it and emailing the link to everyone I know. Must be spread.
HoustonRight on July 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM
I expect to see the fascist in chief attempt to fire the CBO director this week.
As I say….attempt. Either front door or back door, or perhaps a famous “Clintoncide” that will now be labeled “Obamacide”.
His replacement will be a good little sheep and all Obama’s numbers will magically look perfect. That is until they get blown up by reality, but that’ll be the republican’s fault, right? Every stupid POS liberal scumbag out there will trip over their binkys to profess it as truth too.
This is all getting to be too predictable.
Spiritk9 on July 26, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Hmmm… many ways to take this…
Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 5:40 PM
You get the drift….
Key West Reader on July 26,2009 at 5:38PM.
Key West Reader: Sounds like an excellent plan!
Idea?-It would be great if you could
get voice-overs by Robin Leach!!:)
canopfor on July 26, 2009 at 5:44 PM
That will get interesting… as the head of the CBO works for Congress…
But heck, Bambi has ignored the seperation of powers so often he may very well try…
Or get his minions like Pelosi or Fwank to try to fire him.
Romeo13 on July 26, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Peter Orszag – he thinks like a douchebag – he talks like a douchbag-he looks like a douchebag… Orszag, you are a douchebag..
nagee76 on July 26, 2009 at 5:47 PM
…OR he’ll just make the OBO (O=Obama’s). Why scrap something when you can still pay for it and make an equivalent position at the same time?
Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 5:47 PM
i read on a right wing blog when obamacare first came out that the Congress had written language that specifically exempt them from the whole thing. sure, i was mad, but since it made sense to me that they would be that 2-faced, i didn’t mark the cite to go back to later.
kelley in virginia on July 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Hmmm.
Upstater85 on July 26,2009 at 5:40PM.
Upstater85:
Okay,good point,I`ll clarify a tad,sticking with my wide load theme,
its gonna take a mighty Saturn 5 launch vehicle to transport
Meghan(Mutiny)McCain!!
canopfor on July 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM
I have read through the first 112 pages of the House Monstrosity. It allows for Gold Plated Plans as long as the Operational Authority (State, Fed) mandates them. Be assured the Fed will Mandate them for themselves.
chemman on July 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM
This White House is full of gangsters that make Capone look like a Boy Scout.
rplat on July 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM
That’s definitely not what I was thinking…
…Even Big Girls need luvin’
Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Ah… I got a cheaper way…
/chanels the Great one… Gleason…
“To the Moon Alice!’
Romeo13 on July 26, 2009 at 5:54 PM
I really hope launching MegMac anywhere isn’t NASA’s next goal. That would be a pure waste of time. I’m sure she can launch herself into the kitchen at any time…
Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 5:57 PM
They believe that all future administrations for the foreseeable future will be Leftist. All of the the programs on their agenda right now are designed to make it so. Don’t forget about ACORN and the new powers that that organization has.
baldilocks on July 26, 2009 at 5:59 PM
….Even Big Girls need luvi`n`
Upstater85 on July 26,2009 at 5:50PM.
Upstater85: Oh you mean like 16 inch Battleship guns
standing at attention!haha.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016330f.jpg
canopfor on July 26, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Rush predicted this would happen.
fossten on July 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Something like that…
Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Actually, they’re housing a couple of Guantanamo Uighers under her skirt.
guntotinglibertarian on July 26, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Ed, maybe you are missing your own point. I’m thinking that Obama has exactly who he wants running the OMB; a liberal-agenda hack.
I’m getting out the beer and popcorn and enjoy the fights and ultimately the train wreck at the end.
simkeith on July 26, 2009 at 6:05 PM
thanks Key West—great chart.
ted c on July 26, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Isn’t that torture?
Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 6:11 PM
And he just may replace Bernanke at the Fed with his good pal Larry Summers.
JiangxiDad on July 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM
One of the points in Newt’s speeches is that the utter loss of economic rationality in the Obama Administration. Newt refers to the slogan of the Polsh Soldarity Movement in opposing communism: “2 + 2 = 4.” The point is that socialist rulers attempt to govern as if not constrained by basic economics. We are seeing that in the Obama Administration. Reality, however, will bite and bite hard.
Phil Byler on July 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM
it did kinda sound too easy :)
JiangxiDad on July 26, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Isn’t Summers up for the Nobel Prize? Something about his ground-breaking research regarding Google searches for the word “depression”?
So easy to acquire a world-class reputation in academia when you’re a PC tool. Gates, Summers, Sotomayor…the list goes on and on.
guntotinglibertarian on July 26, 2009 at 6:23 PM
This administration is coming apart at the seams.
Terrye on July 26, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Yeah, that’s him, the wuss who got kicked out of Harvard by a bunch of lesbians. Pretty “depressing.”
JiangxiDad on July 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Sister Blog has a new poll.
The President, Vice President, Speaker of the House and All Senators and Representatives should receive the same Health Plan they force on other Americans
Poll Here:
http://sarah-palin-2012.blogspot.com/
Dr Evil on July 26, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Sarah Palin resignation speech live on FOX right now!
stacy on July 26, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Next time vote R for recovery. Recovery will take a while folks.
Mojave Mark on July 26, 2009 at 7:22 PM
chemman: where did you get a copy of Obamacare? and which copy is it? can you either cite the website or let us know where we can read it.
so many lefty loons say “that’s not in the bill” when i quote some of the euthanasia items that someone quoted here per a tweet last week.
kelley in virginia on July 26, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Oh great… more “fun” for tonight’s posts. Wake up the trolls.
Upstater85 on July 26, 2009 at 7:28 PM
She sounded good. Becoming more polished. Parts of the speech did sound like a campaign speech. I did not hear anything I disagreed with.
HoustonRight on July 26, 2009 at 7:39 PM
HoustonRight on July 26, 2009 at 7:39 PM
I thought she did an awesome job. I love the slap on Ashley Judd.
TXMomof3 on July 26, 2009 at 7:44 PM
The gal’s got spunk. :)
HoustonRight on July 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM
kelley in virginia on July 26, 2009 at 7:22 PM
chemman on July 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM
oops it didn’t do the link so I’ll try again:
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
chemman on July 26, 2009 at 8:11 PM
They can’t stop, if they don’t get heathcare they cant take this country all the way socialist….they are going to keep playing hard and dirty because if they can’t get this done now the Obama admninistration will never get it done. The populace will be wiser as to what almost transpired and none of these Marxist will get near the WH or congress again.
We can’t let our guard down. We have to keep calling and faxing and emailing our representatives letting them know we oppose this…we have to educate our friends, family and acquaintances about what Obamcare is…
CCRWM on July 26, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Um, I think scumbag…a used condom…is more accurate here. A douchebag can have positive uses, a used condom is just a delated balloon with not much inside (in fact, nobdy wanted what’s inside), very little utility for the future.
Bama is just using him and what’s inside has little value to anyone. And Orszag seems happy at it, just like a good little condom should be. The good news is we might not get pregnant from this rape, knocked around but not knocked up, because of his performance.
Harry Schell on July 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM
thanks for the link chemman.
everyone, look above at chemman’s link for the obamacare bill. save it to your favs so you can pick thru various pages later.
i just saw language that a public health facility can’t get a grant if they don’t contribute to labor management groups.
so you have to be unionized to keep nurses, etc. this is so f*cked.
i saw on gateway pundit that this bill is up for a vote TUESDAY in the house.
burn up the phone. burn it.
kelley in virginia on July 26, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Attempted destruction/subversion of Constitutional checks and balances, balance of powers — impeachable offense.
The deed is fact.
The intent is more demonstrable with each passing day.
petefrt on July 26, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Barry outsourced Porkulous and Obamacare to the radical lefties in Congress.
Porkulous is a sop to every lefty special interest group of the last 30 years.
Obamacare is a Porkulous to every left wing radical ideological special interest in America since 1960.
It’s all the same. Spoils to the radicals. Radicals in control.
petefrt on July 26, 2009 at 9:01 PM
The reason why the filthy liar in the White House was desperate to get healthcare reform passed before the Congress went on vacation is he didn’t want them to be listening to constituents before having to vote on his scheme. It is too early to celebrate but healthcare as proposed by the filthy liar could well be dead. If it destroys the bastard in the process so much the better.
highhopes on July 26, 2009 at 9:10 PM
You know darned well he won’t be put on a leash. He’s doing EXACTLY what Obama wants him to do.
ExSubNuke on July 26, 2009 at 9:18 PM
high hopes: call your Senators & your Congressman on Mon & Tues. call all their satellite offices, too. then call all the blue dogs & fence sitters.
teapartypatriots.org has a list.
kelley in virginia on July 26, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Thanks, kelley in virginia on July 26, 2009 at 9:26 PM.
I’m sending them faxes every way I can. Can you blame me, when it’s how many years in my life that’s at stake?
petefrt on July 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Fax ‘em. Phone ‘em.
Dear Blue Dog:
Have you read the health care bill? Will you pledge to read it before you vote on it?
Will you accept the public option as your own health insurance? Will you pledge to join whatever health care plan you vote for the rest of us, removing yourself and your family from any other health care coverage?
Additionally:
-Why are we cutting Medicare to insure young people?
- Why are illegal aliens covered, but old people are told to die?
- Do you support euthanasia for the elderly?
- Do you support taxpayer-funded abortions?
-Do you support health care rationing?
-Do you support denying/granting treatments on the basis of age, race, gender or “comparative effectiveness”?
- What part of the Constitution is this in?
- When I get sick, I pay my doctor’s bills. Why do I need medical insurance for little stuff?
- Why can’t I just buy catastrophic medical insurance?
-Why don’t you just fix the current health plan, rather than exploit its flaws as a platform for a government takeover of 1/6 of our economy?
petefrt on July 26, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Blue Dog fax and phone numbers:
John Barrow (GA 12th), (202) 225-2823- DC Fax: 202-225-3377
Bart Gordon (TN 6th), (202) 225-4231- Fax: (202) 225-6887
Jane Harman (CA 36th), (202) 225-8220 — DC Fax: 202-226-7290
Baron Hill (IN 9th), (202) 225-5315 — DC Fax: 202-226-6866
Jim Matheson (UT 2nd), (202) 225-3011 — DC Fax: 202-225-5638
Charlie Melancon (LA 3rd), (202) 225-4031 — DC Fax: 202-226-3944
Mike Ross (AR 4th), (202) 225-3772 — DC Fax: 202-225-1314
Zach Space (OH 18th), (202) 225-6265 — DC Fax: 202-225-3394
petefrt on July 26, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:55 PM
The database is currently unavailable.
All gone, whatever it was.
katablog.com on July 26, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Sounds like we can add Elmendorf to the unemployment line.
katablog.com on July 26, 2009 at 10:13 PM
I’ve got the same Senators as you and Jim Moran as my Representative. I will be making those calls but it is worthless. Moran is a complete socialist and Webb/Warner are mindless drones of the current administration.
highhopes on July 26, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Why is anyone surprised that O’Bummer is intimidating his enemies? This is straight from his play book: Senior Creditors, Wall Street, White Grandma, Reverend Wright, GWB, the chattering crowd, those who cling to their guns and religion and anyone else who has dared to disagree with him have been publicly attacked
katablog.com on July 26, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Who are you gonna believe, folks? Some CBO nerdocrats, or Obama’s wonderful toupe-headed liberal hack, Orszlag?
Jaibones on July 26, 2009 at 11:12 PM
The thing that kills me about the Blue Dog Democrats is that the news reports always describe them as the “fiscal hawks” or “the fiscally conservative Democrats” all in a manner as if they’re an incredibly responsible group, which often sides with the GOP in spending matters. If that’s true, why is anyone even bothering to listen to the alternative–the free-spending, irresponsible, profligate, hard-left wing of the Democratic party. Those lefty a**hats are not where the country is or should be on the proper approach to health reform (or health-insurance reform).
Siding with Obama and his chums makes no sense whatsoever–this is too important to screw it up.
BuckeyeSam on July 26, 2009 at 11:15 PM
And down the memory hole it went.
Knucklehead on July 26, 2009 at 11:41 PM
“Either Obama should put Orszag on a leash, or get rid of him immediately — and find a real budget director, not just a liberal-agenda hack.”
ROFL, can I get some of what you are smoking because you seem to be under the impression he is doing without guidance and direction from Obama or Rahm?
JeffinSac on July 26, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Looks more like Nixon to me. Not just the chart, either.
Vashta.Nerada on July 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Which do you think I could get better odds on in Vegas – The Won appointing someone to crunch his budget numbers who isn’t a “liberal-agenda hack,” or the Detroit Lions beating the Steelers in the next Super Bowl?
Blacksmith on July 27, 2009 at 1:24 AM
The AP gives Sarah a parting gift. Given the state of professional photography, how could this be anything but intentional.
If Sarah’s future is over, why are biased journalists so afraid of her?
Mr. Joe on July 27, 2009 at 2:27 AM
State of denial, Ed? Orszlag hacks up the budget and lies about projection because that’s what Obama is telling him to do that. You do understand that … right?
Jaibones on July 27, 2009 at 7:29 AM
“…and find a real budget director, not just a liberal-agenda hack.” Ed
Look at every single Obama appointee, Ed, and tell me which ones don’t fit that definition. Or is that your point; that they all do but somehow this one is worse?
SKYFOX on July 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM
Poof. Gone. All fixed now.
Pass the soma.
petefrt on July 27, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Is it just me, or are Orszag, Axelrod and Emanuel the shiftiest slimeballs on the planet?
marklmail on July 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM
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